Personally I'm angry because I was promised "16 wildly different endings" - which implies amazing replayibility. Not to mention all the other broken promises like: this is the ending of the Shepard saga. That person is looking to find some sort of closre for themselves. But there is no promise that the breather in the rubble is shepard and if it is, well that's not really the end, is it? And it is especially not the end when they push a "buy dlc content" on you. The endings are also not based on any of my actions are they? Which is what I was promised. My shepard would never have taken the reaper god/childs logic for his own. He would have found another way because that is what he had been doing the entire game.
Someone pointed me in the direction of this video...
Look at the background image, and read the lyrics.. its just TOOOO similar to our god child / stargazer, etc.. soooo eerily similar its frigign weird.. and the video was uploaded 1 year ago!
f***ing ****. I call it plagiarism.
"The dream nly ends when the world comes to end." Guys, watch this video and read the words. It's something...
Bumping my own post cuz things are going so fast people might overlook this interesting info
Ya know what would really suck...if we 'wake up' in the lab where Cerberus was "putting us back together".
SURPRISE! 90% of ME2 and 100% of ME3 was all just a dream xD
No, no, you are not taking it far enough! The time Shepard mistakingly activated the protean beacon on eden Prime. so 99% of the series was pointless....
Oh wait....as it stands right now that is actually how it feels....hmmm...
Is there any particular reason why everyone misses the fact that the prothean VI actually TELLS you that you are indoctrinated?
That is indeed.. wrong. Sorry. He says Kai Leng is, when he suddenly appears with his sword and hyper shields Remember weird-kid tells you TIM couldn't control the reapers because he was already indoctrinated. I just don't know why they show Anderson trying to destroy them (and also fails..? Anderson bullets are not allowed to destroy that node?)
Someone pointed me in the direction of this video...
Look at the background image, and read the lyrics.. its just TOOOO similar to our god child / stargazer, etc.. soooo eerily similar its frigign weird.. and the video was uploaded 1 year ago!
f***ing ****. I call it plagiarism.
"The dream nly ends when the world comes to end." Guys, watch this video and read the words. It's something...
For those who cba to watch or are at work, here are the Lyrics:
[Part I (Wanderer of Time)]
So mysterious is your world, concealed beyond the stars Far away from the earth, it flows one with time and dark as the night Million shapes and colours are storming inside your mind Creating endless dimensions Forming universes without walls
Let go! of the stars, the stars that fell into the sea Let go! of your thoughts and dreams, what can you see now
You cannot save them anymore - Wanderer of time - It's too late now - Creator of Dimensions - Destroy the walls of time Hands of the blind are holding your fate Tides of life will take you away, will take you away
Starchild! Visions are born from the unknown force It dominates the way of time The dream only ends, when the worlds come to an end Starchild! You cannot escape to the dark streams of the sea, to suppress your dreams Nothing can keep you away from the need to create 'cause your path is free...
[Part II (Buring Star)]
I've hold the fire within myself Years I've walked in the coldest winds Through the deserts of sand and snow The time is passing and I know, that I'm wasting my life, destroying my dreams I'm diving into the bottomless sea From sorrow and pain I find my strength the more pain I feel, the more I see Now I'm watching my life flowing in the dark like streams of fear running through my heart And it's wearing me down until I'm gone Soon I'll join the endless whirls of stars And I fall deeper into the unknown voids Something is dying, yet something is born And I fall into infinity like a burning star When will I find my silent dawn I fall like a burning star!
[Part III (The Creation)]
The curtains of mist are fading and the veils of star clouds are revealed Storms of new energy flows in the depths of my mind New constellations are born in total harmony of perfection And the dissonant unbalance was broken as the colours fell straight from the light
[Part IV (The Sea of Stars)]
I'm floating in the sea of stars, I'm drifting away from the shore I will be lost in the dream when the dark days come But I will make the time run backwards and I'll make the stars shine again I will light up the sky to a bright crimson nights ... And they'll shine together forever With brilliant silver colours they'll shine forever
[Part V (Finale)]
The whirls of stars takes you now far away away from the cold nightmare Let go of you thoughts and dreams and you will feel the warmth once again Starchild! in the Sea of Stars you fall You fall like a burning star! Starchild! in the Sea of Stars you fall ... But there is no end to creation
Is there any particular reason why everyone misses the fact that the prothean VI actually TELLS you that you are indoctrinated?
No, the VI is perfectly okay with you until Kai Leng shows up.
The VI tells you twice, the second time Leng isn't even present.
The first time he does so he says "Reaper presence detected" and is referring to the Reapers already being present on Thessia hence the next cycle beginning, in the cinematics he raises and the picture pans towards the outside of the temple, the second time he's referring to Kai Leng.
I am making this post in an honest attempt to help people understand and appreciate the endings more. I personally feel after reading posts here and hearing from friends that, most of this anger over the endings is caused because they did not see the over 4000 asset "destroy" option ending.
I hope to make a complete and easy explanation of the ending, comment if you think I need to adjust or add to it. This post does not apply to those who just don't like it because of its lack of detailed epilogue.
First of all there is one ending that is the real ending and all other endings are tricks and illusions. In fact the only REAL ending in the whole game is if you pick the destroy option with over 4000 assets. The real ending is only that 20 seconds they show of Shepard in the rubble and then takes a breath.
That (supposed to be) eye opening moment is supposed to tell you that Shepard was never on the Citadel. He lies just where he was knocked out by the destroyer blast, in the rubble of London. This is where the confusion takes place.
Everything that happens after the destroyer hits Shepard during his charge is a combination of a dying Shepard's hallucinations and reaper indoctrination trying to take over. Right after the blast, Shepard wakes with his armor half blown off. This is not just cut scene fubar, this is the start of his indoctrination fight when everything is slightly off, as in a dream (because it is)
If you listen to the radio chatter before Shepard goes into the beam, you can hear allied forces saying that NOBODY made it to the beam, not you and not Anderson before you. This is the real world radio chatter now in the background subconscious of this hallucination.
After he reaches the Citadel there is more oddness that should be setting off triggers for the player that something is not right, that this is an illusion... Anderson describes shifting walls and only ever agrees with Shep on his surroundings after Shep describes his and saying "like the collector base you described". Everything is just a projection from Shepard's mind and subconscious.
When you are having the conversation with TIM and Anderson, It's all just again Sheps subconscious reminding himself and the player about indoctrination and what happens when you stop fighting it... you lose control (shoot Anderson) This is similar to the nightmares Shep has of the boy. This is the game through Shep's subconscious telling you do not follow the kid, you will burn (kid goes up in flames). And the last one when you see she with the kid and they both burn. Again telling you, no matter what happens you will get burned by trusting the kid.
There are more allusions to not trusting Cerberus/reapers throughout the game as well. You really start to see them after you understand the indoctrination ending. For example: TIM talking to Kai Lang says "Shepard was always going to stay true to his ideals" subtlety suggesting that the player should do the same and not let TIM/reapers compromise you destroying the reapers. The goal you have had since the very beginning. Also before the attack on Cerberus base I believe, there is a quantum comm. call between you and Hackett. You have the option of saying something like "what if TIM is right and the reapers CAN be controlled" and Hackett shoots you down. Gives you a direct order to kill TIM and destroy reapers. No questions asked. Once again, game trying to remind you of the one true goal and keep you focused.
Now about the Catalyst and the crucible conversation and decision itself... By this time indoctrination is very close to taking over. The end is near. The catalyst looks like the little boy because of shep's subconscious and indoctrination is feeding off that. Everything in this scene is A LIE. The choices and how they are presented to you are all part of the deception to get Shepard to give his mind into indoctrination and lose the will to fight it.
You are presented first with the destroy option. He says "I KNOW you have been thinking of destroying us but..." The catalyst is scared, knows that its only chance is to manipulate Shepard here and now. It's painted in renegade red to through you off. This is purposefully done to manipulate Shepard's decision to fight. He tells you all synthetic life will be wiped out, including Geth and including Shepard because he is partially cybernetic himself. In sales you always present the worst option first and the best for last. So the next 2 options can then be presented and made more appealable.
the other 2 options do not let you ever see Shepard "alive" at the end so to me BOTH of these options are fails and result in you being indoctrinated and/or dying right there on the streets of London. Without that last breath scene. There can be no happy ending. I will elaborate on them a bit more separately.
Synthesis was in the middle and last option presented, this is what they ultimately want. He even likened the synthesis to husks in his description. The reapers want to harvest organics and change them into hybrids. By choosing synthesis you would be doing their work for them in an instant. Basically I see this as total fail ending, you have been played.
Now the control option was not presented as prominently as the synthesis but was still painted in paragon blue and offered as an option still better then destroy. In the end the result for choosing this is the same behind the scenes. Shepard gave into indoctrination/death and you do not get the breath tidbit.
So if you choose destroy like I believe we are somewhat intended to, remember that the explosion cut scene and relays exploding and Normandy running/crashing ALL OF THAT IS STILL HALLUCINATION. This is Shepard's subconscious imagining a "happy ending" he imagines reapers destroyed, earth fighters celebrating, and he imagines and ending for companions. The lush new planet-scape is just a metaphor for starting over and them being at peace. That's why immediately after they show Shep waking up, to solidify the dream idea.
At that point you are supposed to start thinking about what really happened. Shepard is alive, on Earth, has conquered indoctrination. Another HUGE thing is that after destroying the reapers you were supposed to be dead. Recalling the little boy "you will die as you are partly synthetic". When you wake up after that in the rubble, it should be a clear indication that you have been lied to. You did not die like the boy said you would, he just said that to dissuade you. The rest is left even more ambiguous but...
I personally believe that Shepard's job ended there. His companions who followed him at the last rush are dead beside him not suddenly on the Normandy and suddenly in a new system living happily ever after. That only happens in dreams He gathered the forces needed to beat the reapers. And it's the allied forces of the galaxy that ultimately stop the reapers. And that force would never have been formed without Shepard. As the stargazer after the credits says "the details have been lost to history" and there is still "one more story" to tell. So even though Shep was never on the citadel, the idea that Shep is a legend and is credited in destroying the reapers is true.
Love it or hate it, I whole heartedly believe that we will see DLC in the future that will start with Shepard taking that breath in the rubble. It will be something like Waking up after beating indoctrination and actually concluding the story in a more definitive way. And possibly a lot more "happy" though I'm more interested in "real" then some contrived happiness.
TL;DR (oh come on read above, its good 2 parts, first everything that happens between Shepard getting hit by the destroyer eye blast during the London charge and the "take a breath" scene (that you only get by choosing correct choices and having high enough EMF) Is a hallucination/indoctrination process that Shepard is fighting in his head.
There is only one real ending, the ending you have been groomed for since the beginning. Destroy the reapers at all costs. All other endings that do not have Shepard alive at the end are lies. They are illusions and means that Shepard gave into indoctrination and never awoke back on earth to realize this. And the player doesn't understand.
All the supposed plot holes can be explained by this. See examples above. Ask me questions if you have them, I will try to clarify for you in comments.
Also if you would rather watch 3 minutes of youtube, this is a rather good but not totally complete ending explaination. I approve
FINAL NOTE I love this ending because of what Bioware did. They actually indoctrinated their own customers. They made and ending where you the player play through a real-time indoctrination of not just your character but of the player. They presented the ending in such a way that you had to fight indoctrination right along with Shepard. The game actively tries to fool you and manipulate your decisions away from the "best" and ONLY true ending, this is no typical ending by any shot and they did this KNOWING that their fan base might not understand it and take what they showed us at face value. Those people will never get why their ending doesn't make sense and will be angry unnecessarily. For those like myself though. I feel like it's a twist worthy of the best games/movies out there and that some ambiguity is better than the spelled out epilogue slideshow at the end."
First I would like to say you have gone a long way to properly explain the indoctrination theory, and on that, good job. However, it is only a theory. A few seconds on a clip showing someont on N7 armor catching a breath, is not proof that Sheppard is alive and that one is the real ending. We hope it is, BUT WE DO NOT KNOW.
Secondly, We who are unhappy about the endings know this, hell, some of us even helped write it in the first place. We are unhappy because the endings didn't bring the closure we expected, we are unhappy because our choices from all the ME games didn't matter in the end, and we are revolting because people, like you, keep saying that it is OUR FAULT that we didn't get it.
Last but not least, I imported my games from ME1 where I did everything ( I am a completionist), then played it in ME2 where again, I did everything, and finally did it the same in ME3, and you know what? My total EMS (real one based on galactic readiness) was around 3700. So if I did everything SP had to offer me, WHY DO I NEED MP to complete a game with an alleged "REAL ENDINGS" when I hate to play multiplayer?? That's just another misstep from Bioware in the game design.
So, thank you for your time writing the OP, and I know you've only tried to help us (poor illiterate fellas) to better understand the game. But please, I'm begging you, next time, before you do something like that, take your time to research our reasons, and understand our frustrations..
Is there any particular reason why everyone misses the fact that the prothean VI actually TELLS you that you are indoctrinated?
That is indeed.. wrong. Sorry. He says Kai Leng is, when he suddenly appears with his sword and hyper shields Remember weird-kid tells you TIM couldn't control the reapers because he was already indoctrinated. I just don't know why they show Anderson trying to destroy them (and also fails..? Anderson bullets are not allowed to destroy that node?)
I don't think Anderson ever made it that far. Those 'cut scenes' were more just likening it to what choices those people would have made. They have the illusive man under control and indoctrinated so they made it look like he was the good guy all along to screw with Shepard and point him towards the 'blue' control option. They were trying to mess with Shepard and make it look like Anderson had misguided him and that destroying them was the 'red' or baddie option.
Them = Reapers And my statement revolves entirely around the indoctrination theory being true (if it is)
Ya know what would really suck...if we 'wake up' in the lab where Cerberus was "putting us back together".
SURPRISE! 90% of ME2 and 100% of ME3 was all just a dream xD
No, no, you are not taking it far enough! The time Shepard mistakingly activated the protean beacon on eden Prime. so 99% of the series was pointless....
Oh wait....as it stands right now that is actually how it feels....hmmm...
At least my favourite scene of ME1 (and the one that got me hooked into it) was real then: When Manuel (Dr. Warren's assistant) gets annoying, and you choose "I can shut him up". No matter how Paragon I want to play, I just can't help and doing it again and again (same for that reporter)
Ya know what would really suck...if we 'wake up' in the lab where Cerberus was "putting us back together".
SURPRISE! 90% of ME2 and 100% of ME3 was all just a dream xD
No, no, you are not taking it far enough! The time Shepard mistakingly activated the protean beacon on eden Prime. so 99% of the series was pointless....
Oh wait....as it stands right now that is actually how it feels....hmmm...
At least my favourite scene of ME1 (and the one that got me hooked into it) was real then: When Manuel (Dr. Warren's assistant) gets annoying, and you choose "I can shut him up". No matter how Paragon I want to play, I just can't help and doing it again and again (same for that reporter)
If you got the Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC for ME2 then you see a Krogan also throws a punch to Ms Al-Jilaani's face too during an interview. I lolled so much.
Bubi7 wrote... At least my favourite scene of ME1 (and the one that got me hooked into it) was real then: When Manuel (Dr. Warren's assistant) gets annoying, and you choose "I can shut him up". No matter how Paragon I want to play, I just can't help and doing it again and again (same for that reporter)
If you got the Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC for ME2 then you see a Krogan also throws a punch to Ms Al-Jilaani's face too during an interview. I lolled so much.
I am a fan of Liara, I sure got the Shadow Broker DLC (alien sexy time ftw)
Is there any particular reason why everyone misses the fact that the prothean VI actually TELLS you that you are indoctrinated?
No, the VI is perfectly okay with you until Kai Leng shows up.
The VI tells you twice, the second time Leng isn't even present.
The first time he does so he says "Reaper presence detected" and is referring to the Reapers already being present on Thessia hence the next cycle beginning, in the cinematics he raises and the picture pans towards the outside of the temple, the second time he's referring to Kai Leng.
No, what are thinking.. that the VI have planetary sensors? No, it detects that an indoctrinated precense is 'operating' with the VI. Anything else is out of the question. The 'second' time is in the TIM headquaters, when (before you get any answers) the VI informs that it's defenses are now disabled and that YOU are now allowed to ask questions.. It really can't get any more clear than that.
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(same for that reporter)
