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[Xyalon]

kylecouch wrote...

Xyalon wrote...

IxSITHxI wrote...

nyogen wrote...

TheRealMithril wrote...

Is there any particular reason why everyone misses the fact that the prothean VI actually TELLS you that you are indoctrinated?

He does not, not in my copy of the game at least. He does so right before Kai Leng appears, either that or he has a sensor malfunction from asari ill treatments.

Shepard is talking with the VI on Thessia fine, and then it says indoctrination detected. Everyone turns and Kai Leng is walking up to them.

 

Skip to about 28 min. Shep has a 2-3 minute convesation with the VI just fine.

I'm sorry, but the more I watch that the more I see "Matrix, Cycle, Revolutions, Architect"


Anyone know what Mac Walters favourite Film Trilogy is? I'm betting it's not the original Star Wars or LoTR

Actually...his favorite movie is The Expendables....

Lol

[Nilofeliu]

Ivon wrote...

Alikan wrote...

Ivon wrote...

Ya know what would really suck...if we 'wake up' in the lab where Cerberus was "putting us back together".

SURPRISE! 90% of ME2 and 100% of ME3 was all just a dream xD

No, no, you are not taking it far enough! The time Shepard mistakingly activated the protean beacon on eden Prime. so 99% of the series was pointless....

Oh wait....as it stands right now that is actually how it feels....hmmm...

I could have said...

"and then shep falls to the ground, and you realize it's the Prothean Obelisk we 'mind linked' with"

So...50% of ME1, 100% of ME2, and 100% of ME3 was all just your mind trying to make sense of the Prothean data being downloaded into your mind

Seriously, sometimes I think if it would not have been best if I just let the Prothean device fry Ashley's brain back in ME1. At least I could have enjoyed myself a lot in the past  3 years, instead of running around the galaxy only to be shot down in the end. ( and I don't mean by the Reaper...)

[TheRealMithril]

Well visually seeing the reapers is a whole different thing than finding out someone is controlled, isn't it? But we'll agree to disagree.. Thank you too

[Xyalon]

tompuddefoot wrote...

Xyalon wrote...

tompuddefoot wrote...

Hmmmm,

random question,

I have taken the same three saves, Good, Bad and Femshep. I have done ME3 on good, but now dont see any point in taking the other two through ME3.

Do you think that if I started back from ME1 with a whole new Shep, that by the time I get to ME3 there will be some DLC and a new/different/improved ending.
Like a race to save the galaxy between me and Bioware.

Who do you think will win?

If you're looking for total and utter completion on Veteran/Hardcore then you're looking at about 150-180 hours. That's a good couple of weeks. I say go for it.

Well, maybe not on Hardcore etc. But all the side missions, DLC and everything.
I also (although not the last week) have quite a busy life outside of gaming. I work, play squash and play/coach football. So It would proberly take me a good month or so I think. Maybe more.

If you use the mass effect Wiki for ME1 and ME2 to locate all objects on planets and quests via scans, then you should still be able to do it. in 2-3 weeks.

[Bubi7]

Alamandorious wrote...
See, I was fine with Tali's face...I mean, I would have loved to see it -rendered- on the model, but if that's how they envisioned her appearance, it really is a lovely face ^^

I am positively suprised, and fine with the alterations and its loveliness, and all. I just would be disapointed if they really took a gettyimages picture

[Hadscho]

halloween20 wrote...

lol...i got a terrible idea after searching for game that i can play now...

what IF they plan to bring me3 in chapters ?
we have only played one half of the whole game.


like it is with starcraft 2... first game only "chapter one" out of three...


:blink:

I'm pretty sure that there are laws against something like this here in central europe.... after all that would be a fraud (Betrug bin mir nicht sicher ob fraud das richtige wort ist) IMO

[Alamandorious]

Hadscho wrote...

halloween20 wrote...

lol...i got a terrible idea after searching for game that i can play now...

what IF they plan to bring me3 in chapters ?
we have only played one half of the whole game.


like it is with starcraft 2... first game only "chapter one" out of three...


:blink:

I'm pretty sure that there are laws against something like this here in central europe.... after all that would be a fraud (Betrug bin mir nicht sicher ob fraud das richtige wort ist) IMO

Also, the ending for SC2 was complete...it was clearly one chapter of a story coming to a close, and could even be standalone.  The ME3 ending has none of those qualities...if that's there approach, well...they need to improve it a bit >.<

[Whybother]

BuRnInICE wrote...

I just downloaded UModel and checked out BioD_End002_500Choice.pcc for myself to confirm that pic earlier was a fake and yeah it's a fake. I couldn't help myself, I had to check. I've never used UModel before but it wasn't hard to figure out if you need to check yourself. The object ID is HMM_ARM_GRD_MDL

Fake.

This, however, is real:

[blunznsepp]

reporting in from work. any news?

[spacefiddle]

halloween20 wrote...

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

AAAAAJKKRRRRYZZ wrote...

However, I think the number would be negative considering I and many others will never buy another Bioware game again.  For example, I was thinking of getting a gaming comp in order to play TOR, but that idea went out the window since the end of ME3.  Why should I get invested in another game when they are just going to tear it all down at the end again?

Yep, I totally agree to that, we can just hope that as many gamers as possible follow this strategy.

nope... they wont..
"Players are forgetful"

now everyone raging and thay "wont buy any game from BW in the furure..."
just let them wat some month and they will buy new BW games as nothing had happend..

I really won't.  WIll be cancelling SWTOR too.

I am not a "fan."  I am a loyal customer.  Right now, my trust in this company is nil.  It's as much to do with their handling of the situation, and the snarky BS thrown at us, as it does the endings themselves.  Calling us "fans" is insidious.  If I buy any other product in any other industry, I am a customer, not a "fan."

[TheRealMithril]

Well with StarCraft, it was informed from the start it would be three parts Second one is unfortunately delayed due to some punk giving away the story and animated scenes. Really, what good does that do? That kind of behavior is downright stupid. ... Same thing happened to ME3 with the script leak.. what kind of person does that? Really, I would like to know.

[Denethar]

mulder1199 wrote...

BlackDevil06 wrote...

blackeyes677 wrote...

Don't know if this has made it here yet.  Pulled it form /r/masseffect.  Gave me a few laughs. 

Sadly I always get 403 - forbidden. Can't see any of these pics.

after you get the 403 screen, rehighlight the address bar and hit enter, works for me

Thank you!

+1 internet to you.

[Bubi7]

PDesign wrote...

too true, the 1994 one reminds me at Quake 1

[DifferentD17]

Is it weird that I'm scarred that if they make a new ending they might make it worse?

[lodgik]

IxSITHxI wrote...

And then skip to min 39. You are attempint to recover me from indoctrinated forces?

you're freakin right the VI even says "my security protocol have been overide, I will complie"

[zarnk567]

Wow, nice job on hitting 1261 everyone, Hold The Line!

[TamiBx]

Whybother wrote...

BuRnInICE wrote...

I just downloaded UModel and checked out BioD_End002_500Choice.pcc for myself to confirm that pic earlier was a fake and yeah it's a fake. I couldn't help myself, I had to check. I've never used UModel before but it wasn't hard to figure out if you need to check yourself. The object ID is HMM_ARM_GRD_MDL

Fake.

This, however, is real:

Hahaha. Woke up to this. :happy:
 I'm guessing no news? 

[Alamandorious]

spacefiddle wrote...

halloween20 wrote...

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

AAAAAJKKRRRRYZZ wrote...

However, I think the number would be negative considering I and many others will never buy another Bioware game again.  For example, I was thinking of getting a gaming comp in order to play TOR, but that idea went out the window since the end of ME3.  Why should I get invested in another game when they are just going to tear it all down at the end again?

Yep, I totally agree to that, we can just hope that as many gamers as possible follow this strategy.

nope... they wont..
"Players are forgetful"

now everyone raging and thay "wont buy any game from BW in the furure..."
just let them wat some month and they will buy new BW games as nothing had happend..

I really won't.  WIll be cancelling SWTOR too.

I am not a "fan."  I am a loyal customer.  Right now, my trust in this company is nil.  It's as much to do with their handling of the situation, and the snarky BS thrown at us, as it does the endings themselves.  Calling us "fans" is insidious.  If I buy any other product in any other industry, I am a customer, not a "fan."

To be fair, 99% of the snarkiness is coming from the media outlets that are against us and the negative comments at a lot of the sites (to which there's a lot of comments in our favor, too).  The actual Bioware people haven't been that bad, other than their relative silence on the matter.

[tompuddefoot]

Xyalon wrote...

tompuddefoot wrote...

Xyalon wrote...

tompuddefoot wrote...

Hmmmm,

random question,

I have taken the same three saves, Good, Bad and Femshep. I have done ME3 on good, but now dont see any point in taking the other two through ME3.

Do you think that if I started back from ME1 with a whole new Shep, that by the time I get to ME3 there will be some DLC and a new/different/improved ending.
Like a race to save the galaxy between me and Bioware.

Who do you think will win?

If you're looking for total and utter completion on Veteran/Hardcore then you're looking at about 150-180 hours. That's a good couple of weeks. I say go for it.

Well, maybe not on Hardcore etc. But all the side missions, DLC and everything.
I also (although not the last week) have quite a busy life outside of gaming. I work, play squash and play/coach football. So It would proberly take me a good month or so I think. Maybe more.

If you use the mass effect Wiki for ME1 and ME2 to locate all objects on planets and quests via scans, then you should still be able to do it. in 2-3 weeks.

Useing the Wiki? Isnt that cheating?

[Xyalon]

Bubi7 wrote...

Alamandorious wrote...
See, I was fine with Tali's face...I mean, I would have loved to see it -rendered- on the model, but if that's how they envisioned her appearance, it really is a lovely face ^^

I am positively suprised, and fine with the alterations and its loveliness, and all. I just would be disapointed if they really took a gettyimages picture

Which they did.

Don't get me wrong, it's lovely with the alterations and such. Just, well, Tali is worth more to me than that and they seem to have not cared. But the hand thing really got me as "we don't really give a crap, who is really going to look at it more than once". Seriously, do you not know your fan base?

[bunnyteefs]

Friera wrote...

Andreastornqvist wrote...

I want to share this once again!

"TIAX RULES ALL posted:

I am making this post in an honest attempt to help people understand and appreciate the endings more. I personally feel after reading posts here and hearing from friends that, most of this anger over the endings is caused because they did not see the over 4000 asset "destroy" option ending.

I hope to make a complete and easy explanation of the ending, comment if you think I need to adjust or add to it.
This post does not apply to those who just don't like it because of its lack of detailed epilogue.

First of all there is one ending that is the real ending and all other endings are tricks and illusions. In fact the only REAL ending in the whole game is if you pick the destroy option with over 4000 assets. The real ending is only that 20 seconds they show of Shepard in the rubble and then takes a breath.

That (supposed to be) eye opening moment is supposed to tell you that Shepard was never on the Citadel. He lies just where he was knocked out by the destroyer blast, in the rubble of London. This is where the confusion takes place.

Everything that happens after the destroyer hits Shepard during his charge is a combination of a dying Shepard's hallucinations and reaper indoctrination trying to take over. Right after the blast, Shepard wakes with his armor half blown off. This is not just cut scene fubar, this is the start of his indoctrination fight when everything is slightly off, as in a dream (because it is)

If you listen to the radio chatter before Shepard goes into the beam, you can hear allied forces saying that NOBODY made it to the beam, not you and not Anderson before you. This is the real world radio chatter now in the background subconscious of this hallucination.

After he reaches the Citadel there is more oddness that should be setting off triggers for the player that something is not right, that this is an illusion... Anderson describes shifting walls and only ever agrees with Shep on his surroundings after Shep describes his and saying "like the collector base you described". Everything is just a projection from Shepard's mind and subconscious.

When you are having the conversation with TIM and Anderson, It's all just again Sheps subconscious reminding himself and the player about indoctrination and what happens when you stop fighting it... you lose control (shoot Anderson) This is similar to the nightmares Shep has of the boy. This is the game through Shep's subconscious telling you do not follow the kid, you will burn (kid goes up in flames). And the last one when you see she with the kid and they both burn. Again telling you, no matter what happens you will get burned by trusting the kid.

There are more allusions to not trusting Cerberus/reapers throughout the game as well. You really start to see them after you understand the indoctrination ending. For example: TIM talking to Kai Lang says "Shepard was always going to stay true to his ideals" subtlety suggesting that the player should do the same and not let TIM/reapers compromise you destroying the reapers. The goal you have had since the very beginning. Also before the attack on Cerberus base I believe, there is a quantum comm. call between you and Hackett. You have the option of saying something like "what if TIM is right and the reapers CAN be controlled" and Hackett shoots you down. Gives you a direct order to kill TIM and destroy reapers. No questions asked. Once again, game trying to remind you of the one true goal and keep you focused.

Now about the Catalyst and the crucible conversation and decision itself... By this time indoctrination is very close to taking over. The end is near. The catalyst looks like the little boy because of shep's subconscious and indoctrination is feeding off that. Everything in this scene is A LIE. The choices and how they are presented to you are all part of the deception to get Shepard to give his mind into indoctrination and lose the will to fight it.

You are presented first with the destroy option. He says "I KNOW you have been thinking of destroying us but..." The catalyst is scared, knows that its only chance is to manipulate Shepard here and now. It's painted in renegade red to through you off. This is purposefully done to manipulate Shepard's decision to fight. He tells you all synthetic life will be wiped out, including Geth and including Shepard because he is partially cybernetic himself. In sales you always present the worst option first and the best for last. So the next 2 options can then be presented and made more appealable.

the other 2 options do not let you ever see Shepard "alive" at the end so to me BOTH of these options are fails and result in you being indoctrinated and/or dying right there on the streets of London. Without that last breath scene. There can be no happy ending. I will elaborate on them a bit more separately.

Synthesis was in the middle and last option presented, this is what they ultimately want. He even likened the synthesis to husks in his description. The reapers want to harvest organics and change them into hybrids. By choosing synthesis you would be doing their work for them in an instant. Basically I see this as total fail ending, you have been played.

Now the control option was not presented as prominently as the synthesis but was still painted in paragon blue and offered as an option still better then destroy. In the end the result for choosing this is the same behind the scenes. Shepard gave into indoctrination/death and you do not get the breath tidbit.

So if you choose destroy like I believe we are somewhat intended to, remember that the explosion cut scene and relays exploding and Normandy running/crashing ALL OF THAT IS STILL HALLUCINATION. This is Shepard's subconscious imagining a "happy ending" he imagines reapers destroyed, earth fighters celebrating, and he imagines and ending for companions. The lush new planet-scape is just a metaphor for starting over and them being at peace. That's why immediately after they show Shep waking up, to solidify the dream idea.

At that point you are supposed to start thinking about what really happened. Shepard is alive, on Earth, has conquered indoctrination. Another HUGE thing is that after destroying the reapers you were supposed to be dead. Recalling the little boy "you will die as you are partly synthetic". When you wake up after that in the rubble, it should be a clear indication that you have been lied to. You did not die like the boy said you would, he just said that to dissuade you. The rest is left even more ambiguous but...

I personally believe that Shepard's job ended there. His companions who followed him at the last rush are dead beside him not suddenly on the Normandy and suddenly in a new system living happily ever after. That only happens in dreams He gathered the forces needed to beat the reapers. And it's the allied forces of the galaxy that ultimately stop the reapers. And that force would never have been formed without Shepard. As the stargazer after the credits says "the details have been lost to history" and there is still "one more story" to tell. So even though Shep was never on the citadel, the idea that Shep is a legend and is credited in destroying the reapers is true.

Love it or hate it, I whole heartedly believe that we will see DLC in the future that will start with Shepard taking that breath in the rubble. It will be something like Waking up after beating indoctrination and actually concluding the story in a more definitive way. And possibly a lot more "happy" though I'm more interested in "real" then some contrived happiness.



TL;DR (oh come on read above, its good
2 parts, first everything that happens between Shepard getting hit by the destroyer eye blast during the London charge and the "take a breath" scene (that you only get by choosing correct choices and having high enough EMF) Is a hallucination/indoctrination process that Shepard is fighting in his head.


There is only one real ending, the ending you have been groomed for since the beginning. Destroy the reapers at all costs. All other endings that do not have Shepard alive at the end are lies. They are illusions and means that Shepard gave into indoctrination and never awoke back on earth to realize this. And the player doesn't understand.

All the supposed plot holes can be explained by this. See examples above. Ask me questions if you have them, I will try to clarify for you in comments.

Also if you would rather watch 3 minutes of youtube, this is a rather good but not totally complete ending explaination. I approve


FINAL NOTE
I love this ending because of what Bioware did. They actually indoctrinated their own customers. They made and ending where you the player play through a real-time indoctrination of not just your character but of the player. They presented the ending in such a way that you had to fight indoctrination right along with Shepard. The game actively tries to fool you and manipulate your decisions away from the "best" and ONLY true ending, this is no typical ending by any shot and they did this KNOWING that their fan base might not understand it and take what they showed us at face value. Those people will never get why their ending doesn't make sense and will be angry unnecessarily. For those like myself though. I feel like it's a twist worthy of the best games/movies out there and that some ambiguity is better than the spelled out epilogue slideshow at the end."

this was a very interesting read. I hope you are right, coz this is genious... Suddenly I got less..depressed,
However, it all depends on if BW makes another final ending, which takes place after the "last breath" scene. If they don´t, then we are royaly screwed either way.

Btw, a question; I chose the controll the reaper ending. So... I have to redo the scene to destroy the reaper instead, to actually be able to finish the game if there will be a DLC extended finale?  I mean, if you are right, my Sheps indoctrinated.

This is absolutely fantastic. I was a supporter of the indoctrination theory before, but reading this just cements everything for me; the idea that the Destroy ending results in Shep beating indoctrination, that it is the true path and results in your obtaining your goal from the beginning; stopping the Reapers forever and ending up alive on Earth with your beloved companions hopefully not too far away.

And the best part? Every single detail of your theory fits perfectly. Thank you for posting it

[halloween20]

Hadscho wrote...

halloween20 wrote...

lol...i got a terrible idea after searching for game that i can play now...

what IF they plan to bring me3 in chapters ?
we have only played one half of the whole game.


like it is with starcraft 2... first game only "chapter one" out of three...


:blink:

I'm pretty sure that there are laws against something like this here in central europe.... after all that would be a fraud (Betrug bin mir nicht sicher ob fraud das richtige wort ist) IMO

why a fraud ?
u buy a game and play it... nothing more.
unlike a car which must be completely when u buy it... a game is complete when the publisher think it's complete... not when a player mention it to be complete

[Xyalon]

tompuddefoot wrote...

Xyalon wrote...

tompuddefoot wrote...

Xyalon wrote...

tompuddefoot wrote...

Hmmmm,

random question,

I have taken the same three saves, Good, Bad and Femshep. I have done ME3 on good, but now dont see any point in taking the other two through ME3.

Do you think that if I started back from ME1 with a whole new Shep, that by the time I get to ME3 there will be some DLC and a new/different/improved ending.
Like a race to save the galaxy between me and Bioware.

Who do you think will win?

If you're looking for total and utter completion on Veteran/Hardcore then you're looking at about 150-180 hours. That's a good couple of weeks. I say go for it.

Well, maybe not on Hardcore etc. But all the side missions, DLC and everything.
I also (although not the last week) have quite a busy life outside of gaming. I work, play squash and play/coach football. So It would proberly take me a good month or so I think. Maybe more.

If you use the mass effect Wiki for ME1 and ME2 to locate all objects on planets and quests via scans, then you should still be able to do it. in 2-3 weeks.

Useing the Wiki? Isnt that cheating?

I only suggested it in the light of expediency. I didn't use the wiki, I went to every damned planet, and spent hours in my beloved mako. But if you want a fast playthrough then it's not cheating if you're just redoing what you've done and using a memory aid.

[KHReborn]

If the indoctrination theory is right, then I'm fine with that.
If BW is serious with that, then a marriage betwenn Harbringer and Shep makes more sense to me that THAT.