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[Paragon Fury]

Cor7ana wrote...

Obidex wrote...
Gonna go ahead and assume they haven't played through every possible way. Data mining can only do so much if a developer wants to keep something hidden. So if the strat says there is one I'm gonna go ahead and hope that is true.

I find it funny that people have managed to data mine in such a short time. This isn't NCIS where you've got Abby and McGee remotely controlling a suspect's computer within the hour. I'm not saying that this is the most diffuclt thing in the world, but I'd like to mention that there's no, "show me cool ****" button.

Its not terribly hard. Particularly if someone gets their hands on a PC version. But even with an Xbox or PS3 version, all it takes is a little tech know-how to open the game data in a way that you can read it, and then all someone would have to do is go in like EA>ME3>Data>Video and then just watch anything that remotely looked like it was an ending or near-end cutscene. It might take a little more work to make the game show what logic it has to follow to show that ending, but we can just guess from the content of the ending how we got there.

[zestyshade]

gogman25 wrote...

KateKane wrote...

zestyshade wrote...

So what exactly is wrong with destroyed Mass Relays? Seems only fitting for the technology that helped propagate the Reaper dominion would go the way of Reapers.

It means the collapse of galactic civilization, and is completely unavoidable.

It ends the series by tearing down the entire game world, and your choices ultimately mean almost nothing.

This. "Cool, so you averted the crisis and saved the galaxy. Now let's rip up the story and burn it and throw it in the bin, howsabout that?"

Well,  I don't see it as quite like that. Mind, I don't know these spoiled endings as no one seems keen on describing them in detail.

Either way, the way I see it given that Relays get destroyed: Protheans were >< this close to achieving it themselves. Now that we have most likely scrubbed a bunch of data from newly uncovered Prothean relics, I am sure we could derive new technology based on theirs, which should accelerate us on the way to surpassing them and coming up with our own system of mass relays.
Galactic civilizations may yet be reunited in another 200-500 years! 

[Rdubs]

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

http://www.eurogamer...me-people-angry

"It's going to make some people extremely happy. It's going to make some people angry. But that's part of it, right? To invoke the emotion putting some of these stories to bed will naturally bring up.
 
He added: "I honestly think the player base is going to be really happy with the way we've done it. You had a part in it. Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens."
 
Whether you're happy or angry at the ending, know this: it is an ending. BioWare will not do a "Lost" and leave fans with more questions than answers after finishing the game, Gamble promised.
 
"You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers to these people."

Sigh... Like someone already said "I love marketing".

I'm looking forward to the followup interview which reads these statements back and then asks, "okay, knowing what we know now, how do you explain?"  Sit back and crack a beer, the amount and quality of varsity question dodging and subject obfuscation necessary to pull that off would make even Bill Clinton want to take notes.

[turian councilor Knockout]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Marta Rio wrote...

Tietj wrote...

Marta Rio wrote...

Can somebody give me a quick summary of the "facts in evidence" so far?

Specifically, could you answer:
(1) How many leakers there are? (i.e. people to claim to have copies of the game and are releasing spoilery info.)
(2) What platforms are they claiming to run on?
(3) Have they actually played through the game itself or just extracted video files?
(4) If they've played through it, how much time have they spent with the game? Are they claiming to have experienced all the possible endings, or just some of them?
(5) Which of the leakers have actually posted direct evidence (screen shots, vids, etc.) so that we know that they're not just talking out of their asses?

Thanks!

1, Two: Tank and Xio, and one guy who claims to have the strategy guide but doesn't have all that much info on the endings (and what he does have may contradict the others)
2. I'm not sure.  XBOX I think.
3. Both, at least in one case. 
4. I think he admitted that he went through it pretty quickly.
5. They both seem to be pretty legit.

Maybe there's more evidence than this, but I dunno, that seems far from definitive.  If these people played through the xbox edition "pretty quickly", how could they possible know all the endings?

Is this really all the evidence that we have our panties in a collective bunch over?

They extracted the files.

*covers face with my hand* dude you post like you're on crack, it's not like you can change the outcome or anything now, this is insane even for BSN 

[Shatterhand1701]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Allworkandlowpay wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...
So what if Liara has a SB base on the SR 2 now . when at the end the SR 2 gets destroyed in a crash landing on a remote planet and all on it will eventually die . what you do in the game is pointless when its all but preparing to die 

You guys are depressing. So nihilistic. It's not about the end, it's about getting there. We all knew this was Shepard and crews final journey, we knew they had impossible odds. We knew we wouldn't likely see any of them, or their ship, again.

No, we did not. We expected our choices to have meaning.

Funny you should mention that.  Many people wish that their choices in life would have meaning, yet they often don't.  Sometimes things unfold contrary to how you want them to no matter what decisions you make, and you just have to compensate for those events and live with them.  Does it suck?  You bet your backside it does, but it happens.

Yes, it'd be a great feeling to see a happy ending for Shepard and his allies, but with the stakes being as high as they are this time around, it certainly has to be acknowledged that the preservation of Earth and the rest of the galaxy may come with a terrible cost.  In the end, you may believe you made all the right choices, gathered the allies you needed, got all the weapons you needed...but the battle had to end with a drastic, shocking choice that would change everything.  It's certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

And please, don't waste energy telling me "this is a video game, it's not supposed to reflect real life".   That argument has about as much durability as a kleenex in a monsoon.  Bioware's games have been about consequences of actions taken, good or bad.  This is just the biggest example yet.  

Given your games list, I'm pretty sure I know Bioware better than you. Fine, they are about consequences... so tell me how our actions from ME1 or ME2 have consequences in the ending?

Right, because the games list on my profile is the definition of what I know or don't know about Bioware or RPG gaming in general.  Whatever works for ya.  

I never claimed to be an expert; I just don't believe that we're seeing the whole picture.  You can throw all the spoiler pics and scripts and file-scan stuff you want at me, but I'd much prefer to play the game and see it all in its proper context before declaring gloom and doom.  Unless the people in this thread have played the game already and can prove *on their own* that the spoilers were right and that no matter what they did they're going to get a specific outcome that doesn't end well for their Shepard and his allies, I'm not going to blindly accept the belief that our choices in the first two games had no meaning.

And even if the outcome is the same no matter what is done in the first two games, I think it's only fair to say that just like in life, some things may come to pass no matter what you do.  That's all I'm trying to say.

Honestly, I don't feel like engaging. Just don't come back and complain on the forums if you are wrong. If I'm wrong, I will gladly eat my own words without hesitation.

I'm not trying to pick a fight, honestly.  I'm just saying that my list of games played doesn't really mean anything. Honestly, I haven't updated that thing in over a year, so there ya go.

And I'm not going to come back and complain on the forums if I'm wrong.  I honestly don't care if I'm wrong, and even if I did, I certainly wouldn't waste time coming here to shake my fist in rage when I know Bioware's not going to scramble to change things just because I didn't get the ending I expected.

[gogman25]

Marta Rio wrote...

Tietj wrote...

Marta Rio wrote...

Can somebody give me a quick summary of the "facts in evidence" so far?

Specifically, could you answer:
(1) How many leakers there are? (i.e. people to claim to have copies of the game and are releasing spoilery info.)
(2) What platforms are they claiming to run on?
(3) Have they actually played through the game itself or just extracted video files?
(4) If they've played through it, how much time have they spent with the game? Are they claiming to have experienced all the possible endings, or just some of them?
(5) Which of the leakers have actually posted direct evidence (screen shots, vids, etc.) so that we know that they're not just talking out of their asses?

Thanks!

1, Two: Tank and Xio, and one guy who claims to have the strategy guide but doesn't have all that much info on the endings (and what he does have may contradict the others)
2. I'm not sure.  XBOX I think.
3. Both, at least in one case. 
4. I think he admitted that he went through it pretty quickly.
5. They both seem to be pretty legit.

Much obliged, Tietj.

Maybe there's more evidence than this, but I dunno, that seems far from definitive.  If these people played through the xbox edition "pretty quickly", how could they possible know all the endings?

Is this really all the evidence that we have our panties in a collective bunch over?

I suspect Bioware refusing to comment is a sign that this is the ending.

[Unit-Alpha]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Capeo wrote...

Cor7ana wrote...

Obidex wrote...
Gonna go ahead and assume they haven't played through every possible way. Data mining can only do so much if a developer wants to keep something hidden. So if the strat says there is one I'm gonna go ahead and hope that is true.

I find it funny that people have managed to data mine in such a short time. This isn't NCIS where you've got Abby and McGee remotely controlling a suspect's computer within the hour. I'm not saying that this is the most diffuclt thing in the world, but I'd like to mention that there's no, "show me cool ****" button.

The SEs came out days ago.  It doesn't take that long to data mine the game nor play it.  The SE guy said his first play through took 23 hours.

They only need to download Bink video and go through the movies folder to find all the important stuff.

Well, once he extracts the files from the disk.

What are you talkin about?

The movies folder in the file structure holds all the video that isn't rendered in realtime. The file extension can be opened by a program that is free and easy to download.

[Obidex]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Obidex wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Obidex wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Obidex wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

GRISHASAUR wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

GRISHASAUR wrote...

so thier is no way to get a happy ending at all no matter what you do. that makes no sence

Welcome aboard, Skipper.

so what  are  7 endings?  i heard that there still might be a happy ending where the reapers are dead and the relays are not gone please let that be ture

Nope, there isn't.

Last I checked there was, but that was from Strat guy

The people with the actual game have pretty much confirmed there isn't.

Gonna go ahead and assume they haven't played through every possible way. Data mining can only do so much if a developer wants to keep something hidden. So if the strat says there is one I'm gonna go ahead and hope that is true.

I've gone through the files of both MEs and you can't just make something not appear if you have any idea about file manipulation, which the guy who has it obvious does.

Not at all true, misdirection is common in a lot of file archives...though I have not seen it in this franchise it is present in others.

Sorry, wrong. If you look at the CookedPC folder, there's a movie section. The movies all use the generic bik file type, which is easily examined through Bink video, a free download. He probably just searched for all the .bik files and went through those.

The other structures are propriety Bioware file types that cannot be used for movie storage.

You can believe what you want and engage in petty condescension if you wish but if they want to hide file types and unlock their signature with a day one patch then that is what they will do. Not saying it is what they are doing but it is absolutely possible.

[Gexora]

Having read some of the leaked script info, the way dialogues set you up for the happily ever afters with your Lis was finally the thing to convince me this is fake.
Or you need to play the game thoroughly to experience the best ending.
Or you need to import your Shepards.
Or whatever.

[RazorrX]

Exactly! Joker could believe that "god" gave the planet to the survivors as a reward for what they did, thus starting a cult and becoming a combination John Locke and Jim Jones. Without a Jack (shep) to pull him back things will spiral out of control and it will go lord of the flies in no time!

[Cor7ana]

Jackal7713 wrote...

Cor7ana wrote...

Obidex wrote...
Gonna go ahead and assume they haven't played through every possible way. Data mining can only do so much if a developer wants to keep something hidden. So if the strat says there is one I'm gonna go ahead and hope that is true.

I find it funny that people have managed to data mine in such a short time. This isn't NCIS where you've got Abby and McGee remotely controlling a suspect's computer within the hour. I'm not saying that this is the most diffuclt thing in the world, but I'd like to mention that there's no, "show me cool ****" button.

Thats why I'm holding out hope and not canceling my preorder. However, if this is indeed true, I have afeeling there are going to many upset fans posting mad rage/ blogs etc. I think DA2 would look like GOTY in comparison.

I'm fortunate enough to be able to throw my money around and pre order two CEs. I may not even play the game upon release, considering my schedule. It takes me forever to beat a game, anyway. I didn't beat ME2 until nearly eight months after release.

Besides, I just cheat and look up how to get which ending. I'm a horrible person, I know.

[ravenrena]

Cor7ana wrote...

ravenrena wrote...

Cor7ana wrote...

Obidex wrote...
Gonna go ahead and assume they haven't played through every possible way. Data mining can only do so much if a developer wants to keep something hidden. So if the strat says there is one I'm gonna go ahead and hope that is true.

I find it funny that people have managed to data mine in such a short time. This isn't NCIS where you've got Abby and McGee remotely controlling a suspect's computer within the hour. I'm not saying that this is the most diffuclt thing in the world, but I'd like to mention that there's no, "show me cool ****" button.

The pc version has leaked too and people have gone through it and these are the only endings.

You're a broken record, at this point, dear.

Yes i know but the earth is round no matter how many of you want to hold out hope that it could be flat lol

[Jacy Pane]

Well since everyone is getting their a**es handed to them, there had better be some saucy sex scenes >=(

[Unit-Alpha]

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

I'm not trying to pick a fight, honestly.  I'm just saying that my list of games played doesn't really mean anything. Honestly, I haven't updated that thing in over a year, so there ya go.

And I'm not going to come back and complain on the forums if I'm wrong.  I honestly don't care if I'm wrong, and even if I did, I certainly wouldn't waste time coming here to shake my fist in rage when I know Bioware's not going to scramble to change things just because I didn't get the ending I expected.

Oh, I know I can do no good in that regard. I just want to convince people to cancel their preorders and see what happens because I don't want a ton of disappointed people flooding BGS after they play through it.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Prometheus75 wrote...

It looks like I will just have to pretend the series ended with ME2.

That's pretty much what I'm doing.

Saved the universe, rode off into the sunset with Garrus.

[PyroByte]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Sorry, wrong. If you look at the CookedPC folder, there's a movie section. The movies all use the generic bik file type, which is easily examined through Bink video, a free download. He probably just searched for all the .bik files and went through those.

The other structures are propriety Bioware file types that cannot be used for movie storage.

The bink video files are actually in the BioGame/Movies folder but they only give limited indications of possible outcomes (for Mass Effect 2 at least its only the major choices like CollectorExplode or CollectorRadiation). Nothing about which crew member dies or even shepard, this is told by ingame graphics. If Bioware went the same way for Mass Effect 3 just going through the bik files doesn't give you all possible outcomes.

[Favourite store on the CitadeI]

I live in the UK, so anyone who obtains the game on the 6th, please, I beg of you, tell me what happens in the end via PM. TYVM.

[wolf99000]

if this is the endings wonder what the other races will think of shepard in the long run they all joined up with thinking he could save them and he leaves them all strandard on there own planets with no space travel not sure I would be that happy with shepard

[CerberusSoldier]

gogman25 wrote...

Marta Rio wrote...

Tietj wrote...

Marta Rio wrote...

Can somebody give me a quick summary of the "facts in evidence" so far?

Specifically, could you answer:
(1) How many leakers there are? (i.e. people to claim to have copies of the game and are releasing spoilery info.)
(2) What platforms are they claiming to run on?
(3) Have they actually played through the game itself or just extracted video files?
(4) If they've played through it, how much time have they spent with the game? Are they claiming to have experienced all the possible endings, or just some of them?
(5) Which of the leakers have actually posted direct evidence (screen shots, vids, etc.) so that we know that they're not just talking out of their asses?

Thanks!

1, Two: Tank and Xio, and one guy who claims to have the strategy guide but doesn't have all that much info on the endings (and what he does have may contradict the others)
2. I'm not sure.  XBOX I think.
3. Both, at least in one case. 
4. I think he admitted that he went through it pretty quickly.
5. They both seem to be pretty legit.

Much obliged, Tietj.

Maybe there's more evidence than this, but I dunno, that seems far from definitive.  If these people played through the xbox edition "pretty quickly", how could they possible know all the endings?

Is this really all the evidence that we have our panties in a collective bunch over?

I suspect Bioware refusing to comment is a sign that this is the ending.

The endings are real

[Sashimi_taco]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Capeo wrote...

Cor7ana wrote...

Obidex wrote...
Gonna go ahead and assume they haven't played through every possible way. Data mining can only do so much if a developer wants to keep something hidden. So if the strat says there is one I'm gonna go ahead and hope that is true.

I find it funny that people have managed to data mine in such a short time. This isn't NCIS where you've got Abby and McGee remotely controlling a suspect's computer within the hour. I'm not saying that this is the most diffuclt thing in the world, but I'd like to mention that there's no, "show me cool ****" button.

The SEs came out days ago.  It doesn't take that long to data mine the game nor play it.  The SE guy said his first play through took 23 hours.

They only need to download Bink video and go through the movies folder to find all the important stuff.

Well, once he extracts the files from the disk.

What are you talkin about?

The movies folder in the file structure holds all the video that isn't rendered in realtime. The file extension can be opened by a program that is free and easy to download.

SO you ahve downloaded the movies? Youv'e seen them?

[toolfan9284]

Keeping my Pre-order, and waiting until the game is released to find out if all the talk in this thread is true. If so, may not even unbox the game and just post it on eBay a few months down the road.

[Unit-Alpha]

Obidex wrote...

You can believe what you want and engage in petty condescension if you wish but if they want to hide file types and unlock their signature with a day one patch then that is what they will do. Not saying it is what they are doing but it is absolutely possible.

You realize you were condescending first, right? Find, hold out hope that they, first some reason, decided to go in and set up a whole new file structure so people wouldn't know what happens. Do you have any idea how much effort it takes to set up a new file type and make it workable on all systems? That would be a week of work or so, at least.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 29 février 2012 - 07:55 .

[panamakira]

There's always fanfiction people LMAO. Usually out of all Bioware games Dragon Age always has the most but with ME3. Man will people will be writing a lot more of it~

"Well......in my head. MY SHEP did this......."

[Capeo]

Marta Rio wrote...

Tietj wrote...

Marta Rio wrote...

Can somebody give me a quick summary of the "facts in evidence" so far?

Specifically, could you answer:
(1) How many leakers there are? (i.e. people to claim to have copies of the game and are releasing spoilery info.)
(2) What platforms are they claiming to run on?
(3) Have they actually played through the game itself or just extracted video files?
(4) If they've played through it, how much time have they spent with the game? Are they claiming to have experienced all the possible endings, or just some of them?
(5) Which of the leakers have actually posted direct evidence (screen shots, vids, etc.) so that we know that they're not just talking out of their asses?

Thanks!

1, Two: Tank and Xio, and one guy who claims to have the strategy guide but doesn't have all that much info on the endings (and what he does have may contradict the others)
2. I'm not sure.  XBOX I think.
3. Both, at least in one case. 
4. I think he admitted that he went through it pretty quickly.
5. They both seem to be pretty legit.

Much obliged, Tietj.

Maybe there's more evidence than this, but I dunno, that seems far from definitive.  If these people played through the xbox edition "pretty quickly", how could they possible know all the endings?

Is this really all the evidence that we have our panties in a collective bunch over?

Tank stated he didn't get fired and doesn't know where that rumor came from.  He didn't start leaking things until his testing gig was done apparently.  He also knew things long before they leaked so he definetely had access to the game at some point.  Everything he stated matched everything leaked so far, including the pics before they were leaked.