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[Bubi7]

voyager2011 wrote...

Capeo wrote...

Uh look here:

http://social.biowar...5/index/9993946

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot ...................

guess how the title of the song is?
and who does Shepard meet in the last minute of ME3?
another coincidence? I think not

[Hydralysk]

FsDxRAGE_v2 wrote...

Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect

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G4TV says #MassEffect3 "satisfies better than anything, not just in games, but in any pop medium." Buy it now! http://bit.ly/z0HYTc

Whelp, it looks like EA handed G4TV a ton of cash too...

Up until I got hit by a death laser that only destroys armor and NPCs that would've been an accurate statement.......

[ElPres]

Thought I'd share my response to the ME3 endings discussion here and show my support.

http://social.biowar...index/9992961/1 

ElPres wrote...

 I loved absolutely everything about all three games.

Until the last 5 minutes.

The game was a masterpiece, ignoring the confusion, plot holes, the lack of a final 'boss fight' to work towards and the out-of-left-field starchild/singularity plot introduced in the last 5 minutes.
And here is why I feel that way.

I played through with one of my characters that had run through ME1 & ME2.  All throughout the game, I was amazed at how the little things I had done before were coming back, giving me a sense of the massive impact I was having on the war effort.  I brokered alliances nobody thought possible, cured the genophage, brought peace between the geth and quarians...I even shot a reaper in the face with a hand cannon in the final fight on earth.  Harbinger landed and shot at me, but I bravely charged ahead anyway.  

I was expecting a final climactic moment on the citadel.  But I never got it.  There was no climax, just an anti-climax.  The game might work as a third chapter to a series, closing off and finalizing the threads we've woven in the previous games, but within the confines of a single game, it feels like a race to nowhere.  Where is the final boss fight?  What are the differences in the endgame between a run through with 5000 war assets and a game with 1500 war assets?  I've saved the galaxy, maybe, but I don't *feel* like it was worth the trouble it took to get there.  

So I played through again.  This time, though, I ran through it.  I did not even stop to pick up upgrades.  No side-quests.  No interaction with my crew.  It was a race to the end.  I ended up with less than 2000 effective military strength.  And yet my charge forward was almost exactly the same.  And there was the starchild, speaking down to me and only giving me one choice for an ending.  An ending which was nearly identical to my first playthrough, but with a couple seconds of altered footage. 

I was reminded of an interview: 
http://www.strategyi...uests-neglected

"And so all the different things that you do, if you do a little side quest, or you go off and do a major plot, these things contribute to the war effort. If you just rip straight down the critical path and try and finish the game as soon as you can, and do very little optional or side stuff, then you can finish the game," continued Hudson."You can have some kind of ending and victory, but it’ll be a lot more brutal and minimal relative to if you do a lot of stuff. If you really build a lot of stuff and bring people to your side and rally the entire galaxy around you, and you come into the end game with that, then you’ll get an amazing, very definitive ending."


For the first time in a Bioware game, I have no real motivation to go back and replay it.  It feels now like an on-rails shooter to me.  I would have loved for the final mission to be like the suicide mission of ME2.  With war assets you've aquired playing a major role in whether or not you survive long enough to reach the end.  I would have been ecstatic if the final confrontation between Shep and the TIM had had more to it than 'Renegade interrupt or suicide.'  If my squad died getting me to the citadel, then maybe I see Shep reaching for the console hearing 'the crucible isn't activating' and then cut to black.  

But to have all I've worked for in three games only get me 2 extra pointless choices from some made-up character newly introduced in the last 5 minutes, with no ability to question the circular logic he uses to justify his actions?  To end up with 3 choices that amount to what color filters to place on explosions?  If I do get the motivation to play the game again, I feel no desire to do anything but quit after the final fight before the citadel beam...and that is what is sad.  
Sad that an ending to such a massively good series should feel so hollow compared to the rest of the game.  Sad that the ending feels so forced compared to the natural flow of the rest of the game.  Sad that in a game built around choice and unforseen consequences, the ending feels linear and short-sighted.  

[Xyalon]

Hydralysk wrote...

Berty213 wrote...

Xyalon wrote...

Nineteen wrote...

 @masseffect just tweeted this...Not sure what to make of it...
https://twitter.com/...332818558222336

Don't make anything of it. @masseffect twitters are programmed responses, not live.

Really?!

I don't think he means acutally programmed, just that the people replying are told how to handle these kinds of inquiries in the most vague way possible....

No, it really is programmed. It's not a person at all.

[saracen16]

Face it: in a video game, you never got the ending YOU really wanted. You got a choice.

[BlackDevil06]

ld1449 wrote...

Because lets face it, this ending is so screwed up that Jar Jar Binks could show up and save Shepard and it'd still be a better end than what we got.

Haha. It still would've been a terrible ending, but at least one where I laughed my ass off.

[Reaper of Reapers]

Did I miss anything in the last 50 pages?

[Berty213]

halloween20 wrote...

Berty213 wrote...

Xyalon wrote...

Nineteen wrote...

 @masseffect just tweeted this...Not sure what to make of it...
https://twitter.com/...332818558222336

Don't make anything of it. @masseffect twitters are programmed responses, not live.

Really?!

the masseffect twitter alwasy responds in the same way

"bad ending" > "why ?"
"good ending" > "thanks to that"
"bug in game" > "we pass this to the devs"
"any info to the end" > "we cant..."

You know looking back it does say all that! Haha

[WvStolzing]

saracen16 wrote...

Face it: in a video game, you never got the ending YOU really wanted. You got a choice.

...and we're complaining that we weren't given any meaningful choices.

[PurpleWhisper]

saracen16 wrote...

Face it: in a video game, you never got the ending YOU really wanted. You got a choice.

In Dragon Age Origins I had access to all the endings i wanted. On one playthrough i was a self-sacrificing hero and in another I lived to run off with my love interest. And in the other ME games the endings were uplifting and inspiring and made me feel the journey was totally worth it.

The fact that Bioware knows how to create a great ending makes this ME3 ending so frustrating. Just one ending with Shep being hauled out that rubble to stand beside his friends and look up at the reaperless sky from London together would have been perfect. So close and yet so far!

[g_bassi13]

Wolfgang_Ocelot wrote...

g_bassi13 wrote...

This is my first post on BSN, but I figured I might as well say something after spending the last few days reading through most of the last 600 odd pages in this thread (I know that's sad).

I'm still reeling from the ending of the game. I finished it last week, but I haven't gotten over it in the slightest. I don't really think I need to go into why, as every point I would make has been expanded on a hundred times over already in this thread. 

That Bioware felt they could end their game like this feels like a betrayal of trust, of sorts. That they lied about what we were getting with this game. It was great for the most part (The core game is a bit flawed), but the ending takes away whatever redemption was there.

And it doesn't just ruin this game, it makes the first two Mass Effects unplayable as well. My plan of immediately replaying the series afterwards was quashed by a sudden lack of motivation to do so. I mean, what's the point of pouring in another 120 Hours into these games if I know it's just going to end like this? If it remains like this, I don't think I'll ever do it.

I really hope those theories about Shepard's indoctrination are true, and a DLC with an actual ending is coming. It's a cautious hope, 

I hear you, I spent maybe 200+ hours with 6 play throughs of both ME1 and 2, and ME3 had an amazing start if you can get past the whole Deus Ex Machina deal.

I loved most of ME3, I teared up for Mordin, Thane, and LEgion, and was like "**** yeah" when I saw Grunt make it out alive.

And was again like "**** yeah," when I brought peace to the quarian and geth, and again when The fleets came to earth. But after the Harbinger death beam I started to go "the hell?"

and then the ending hit, and I just went into denial and thought that didn't happen. Screw this, I'm going with my own made up ending where all my good choices mattered in the end.

NOT this stupid Space Reaper god child Wizard ghost telling me I only have three choices. No my Shepard says screw you we're finding a different way.

Overall it was a major Copout.

The key moments of the game themselves did get to me. I was never really a fan of Mordin, Thane, or Legion, but all their deaths really got to me. Especially Legion's (but I suppose that was because I just wiped out his entire race )

None of it really ties together at the end though. An extreme lack of closure in pretty much every regard.

[Dj14365]

Reaper of Reapers wrote...

Did I miss anything in the last 50 pages?

There was another article by Forbes. I don't have the link but I bet someone will put it up for you.

[SassyJazRzmataz]

KaiserinKai wrote...

RPGmom28 wrote...

rianna wrote...

HITMAN629 wrote...

I hope you folks realize that IF they change the ending it will likely be in the final piece of DLC.

At which point I will gladly buy all the DLC in one fell swoop. Before that, not one penny. This line will not move.

I completely agree. I have the money to burn on DLC, but it's going to be all or nothing depending on whether or not there is a new satisfying ending.

Same here, I specifically set aside money for ME 3 DLC. That money is staying right where it is until the ending is changed.

Ditto. I put money aside for the DLC. (I have bought every story DLC in the series so far, even stupid Pinnacle Station.) That money is going to the charity now. If they get their act together, I'll considering buying whatever.

[RebelByDesign]

Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect

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G4TV says #MassEffect3 "satisfies better than anything, not just in games, but in any pop medium." Buy it now! http://bit.ly/z0HYTc

BS of the highest order. I could bust a gut laughing.

[alberta]

Zulmoka531 wrote...

Another new Forbes article:

http://www.forbes.co...money-for-kids/
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Yes, I thanked them for their brilliant article and for seeing us as we are - decent folks.

[Favourite store on the CitadeI]

I have £200 in spare cash that is just waiting for a rainy day. YOU HEAR THAT BIOWARE?!?!?! £200!!!!

[Zulmoka531]

Berty213 wrote...

Zulmoka531 wrote...

Doesn't matter. The damage has been done. Even if all of us buy it for closure or whatever reason(s), the future game's released are no longer going to be a pre-order or a first day buy for many people.

I'm not so sure about this, people always threaten that they will never buy any more games from a company when they are angry but they never go through with it, they only say these things because they are angry. If I like the look of a game I will buy it, I was a massive DAO fan and got DA2 without a second thought, despite how bad DA2 was it didn't stop me from buying ME3 and despite the ending for ME3 beging awful it wont stop me from buying DA3 (you know IF they changed it ALOT). However I can say that until the ending is fixed I have no interest in buying any other DLC for ME3

The thing is though, it was always shoved down throats, that ME and DA were two different teams. People expected different things from each. To one extent they are correct, and to another extent they aren't. There are some glaring similiarities. I'll remember the past, the good and the bad, next time I decide to buy one of these games.

I don't want them to crash and burn,  that's just silly. But I do want them to walk away with at least some sort of lesson learned. We aren't entitled to have everything our way, but they also aren't entitled to our business if we don't like what's being put out.

[Al-Qiliqi]

The next time I presorder a Bioware game, i'll play it two weeks after release...

[Kynroyka]

Quick status report from the SSV Franconia: still holding the line.

Regarding ending-DLC: If I have to pay for it, I will ... if it really provides a satisfying end to Shepards story. That will be the last money BioTroll gets from me.
I didn't buy DA2 because I didn't like all the changes from DA:O (one of my favourite games), and
I sure as heck won't support a game studio that yanks it's fans/customers around like that.

[Xyalon]

saracen16 wrote...

Face it: in a video game, you never got the ending YOU really wanted. You got a choice.

In Gears of War the game ended how it wanted. Dom died but got a good send off, there was closure and there was vitcory at high cost.

Resistance trilogy also gave us this. Earth was ravaged, population more than decimated, but there was closure and there was victory.


Even Dear Esther had a good bit of closure and if you want a game which has an element of art in it then look no further. I was satisfied here.


All games where you play to win, even when there is a high cost to be paid, allow us an ending with that result in mind, providing closure to a series satisfactorily.

So to what, pray, do you refer?

[Nilofeliu]

Berty213 wrote...

halloween20 wrote...

Berty213 wrote...

Xyalon wrote...

Nineteen wrote...

 @masseffect just tweeted this...Not sure what to make of it...
https://twitter.com/...332818558222336

Don't make anything of it. @masseffect twitters are programmed responses, not live.

Really?!

the masseffect twitter alwasy responds in the same way

"bad ending" > "why ?"
"good ending" > "thanks to that"
"bug in game" > "we pass this to the devs"
"any info to the end" > "we cant..."

You know looking back it does say all that! Haha

but on the "bad ending" they also said "but what did you like about the game?"
And ifyou keep saying you didn't like the end, they just ignored you... so sad...

As for the ending, I will just quote something I saw on the feedback thread

"the game is as if we are driving a car and in the end we got a choice between running into a tree, running into a bus, or just running off a cliff...." - "The journey always been pointless considering the ending..."

I picked the tree, since it was green and I love greepeace...

[coloradosarge]

BBCH wrote...

In the end, Bioware's gonna release a 10$ real end DLC, everyone's gonna buy it, and not a single game from that point onward is gonna have an ending included in the original release.

I don't beleive that at all.  This seems like a one time deal and only that because BioWare has managed to get a loyal fan base.  If their fans were not so loyal they 1. would not be invested enough to raise such a fuss, 2. would not buy the dlc on principle and 3. not really care if dlc was released anyway in lots of cases.  If this gets abused they will no longer be able to rely on the loyal fanbase which is probably willing to overlook ending dlc this once, but no more.

[Apfelweinbrauer]

Grunkera wrote...

you even get the stargazer scene when everyone dies due to the shockwave what´s interesting because when everyone is dead who can tell shep´s story, especially the part on earth.

Well there are two(?) large planets that can be seen in the sky of the world the stargazer is on, so this planet can't be located anywhere in or near the solar system, apparently somewhere humans have survived on a far off colony. How the news and stories about the events of the defeat of the reapers and shepards actions reach them after the destruction of the mass relays is unfortunately beyond my imagination...

Maybe ?

[AlterEgo3561]

FsDxRAGE_v2 wrote...

Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect

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G4TV says #MassEffect3 "satisfies better than anything, not just in games, but in any pop medium." Buy it now! http://bit.ly/z0HYTc

Whelp, it looks like EA handed G4TV a ton of cash too...

G4 or rather X-Play in particular relies a lot on their ability to get firsthand information and has a heavy interest in maintaining good relations with big developers. If you notice X-play does like 1 sometimes 2 reviews each episode, the rest is all previews and interviews not to mention they gave the game a five out of five therefore with the current situation it would probably be bad to change their stance now.

[Benirus]

Please remember to stay civil guys, don't let your frustration get to you
If we disregard the "jurnalists" that jumped on the hater/entitled bandwagon at the start, the wind is definitly starting to blow in our favor.

Keep up the good work, do it right.
Hold the line!