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[Ymladdych]

If this is accurate information, then I think I know why they did it: narrative opportunity.

They see more interesting plot potential if they reset all the technology.

Modifié par Ymladdych, 28 février 2012 - 03:54 .

[Eclipse_9990]

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

Holy crap. BSN is going to implode next week.

Why would Bioware do this to us? To themselves?

Because it's a damn great entertaining value in it that's why 

BioWare + some people (me) will find it extremly funny to watch people next week 

Bet they won't find it so funny when they lose customers. 

Oh don't worry eclipse it's only those who criticize they will want f*ck up so badly that they leave all others are relatively safe dunno which group you belong to though 

I belong to every single group, all at the same time. 

[Teredan]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Teredan wrote...

I really have no problem with these endings but seriously why not give other ones that statisfy as many fans as possible

Because choice isn't about satisfying fans, it's about choosing moral stuff and crud. Or something.

Regardless, choice doesn't exist to satisfy some fourth-wall fanbase. The only question worth asking is whether all of your choices along the way factor into things in some satisfactory manner. Are there enough little alterations to the major endings to make it all worthwhile?

I'm sorry but that is bs...
ME is a game built around the premise to make fans happy, this is not a controversial peace of literature.
This is a game built for mass appeal trying to unite creative needs with economic demands.
Every system in this game is there to make fans enjoy the experience.

If not satisfying a fanbase was what ME was about than the whole paragon renegade thing just doesn't fit.
Giving the players the option in such a transparent way to be "good/evil" is to satisfy them...
There are many more things like this in the games.

Also I find I laughable how you seem to think that satisfying fans excludes hard choices.
The problem that is that ME was never about hard choices. Anyone who say that choosing between blue good and red bad is hard has never dealt with moral dilemmas.
90% of the time you know what kind of outcome/repercussions you can expect from helping and screwing people over in ME.

From what I've gathered about the endings they all end up being more or less the same so there is really no hard choice to be made. Choice has only meaning if the outcome can be altered (that was also one of the major gripes of DA2).

Modifié par Teredan, 28 février 2012 - 03:57 .

[daddyjah21]

 here is the end if you want itsocial.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/347/index/9509881:devil:

[Siegdrifa]

Guldhun2 wrote...

Siegdrifa wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

Holy crap. BSN is going to implode next week.

Why would Bioware do this to us? To themselves?

Rumor of a 7 ending available via NG+
It was mentionned on the official guide it seems, and since it's N7, 6 ending with the 7th would be a good gift. As people says it's impossible because it was data mined, may be it'll will come along later with a patch (just an extra video of few hundreds of mo), i remember, with the leak of Liara unused track for the futur SB that Bioware would be extra carful regarding with data mining.

To be honest and what i think about it, don't count on it.
If a 7 ending happen, that would be great, but it's not officialy confirmer and peoples shouldn't get their hope up and betting everything on it as it could be more painfull if it never happen.

There is no NG+ secret ending.

I never said there is or advise anybody to count on it, but it's seems to be mntionned by the official guide.

[Guldhun2]

Siegdrifa wrote...


I never said there is or advise anybody to count on it, but it's seems to be mntionned by the official guide.

It might mention it, but it's not in the game.

[Nathan Redgrave]

frylock23 wrote...

The crew is stranded to a slow death even if it will be a relatively comfortable one,

 
You could say that about anyone who was ever born into the world of the living, you know. Just sayin'.

and Shep, if s/he survives, is stranded someone all alone forever apparently. There isn't any hope of a better outcome, of anything changing. It's just doom. That the galaxy itself survives although pretty much nuked back to a pre-deep space travel level isn't enough sweet because that's also pretty bitter.

It's all bitter. There's no hope. No sweet.

No hope? So there are no worlds on which life can continue to grow and begin to develop anew? No chance that the galaxy will one day rise again, possibly to develop along a different technological path than before? Who's to say they won't eventually reach deep-space travel level again, on their own terms, this time with no Reapers lurking in Dark Space waiting to kill them all off?

That sounds like hope to me. Prior to this, the only definite thing the galaxy could see was extinction at the hands of giant mechanical space-insects with lasers for eyes.

[Dariustwinblade]

NONE OF THE ENDINGS ARE BITTERSWEET ALL ARE BITTER NONE ARE SWEET.


A bittersweet ending.


Relays is destroyed. TRILLIONS of different species dead some crippled but surviving by a thread. Hundreds of homeworlds and colonies destroyed. But in the end the Reapers are destroyed and MOST IMPORTANTLY SHEPARD AND HIS CREWMATES AND LI ARE ALIVE AND WELL.


Thats all I want the galaxy can burn for all I care.

[Siegdrifa]

Guldhun2 wrote...

Siegdrifa wrote...


I never said there is or advise anybody to count on it, but it's seems to be mntionned by the official guide.

It might mention it, but it's not in the game.

As HD texture for DA2, it is not in the game, still it existe.
Again, i would count on it.

[Obro]

TRUE HAPPY ENDING:

you dont buy the game bioware/EA doesn't get the money

I know it's a spoiler but I had to do it

Modifié par Obro, 28 février 2012 - 03:59 .

[Fisto The Sexbot]

Ymladdych wrote...

If this is accurate information, then I think I know why they did it: narrative opportunity.

They see more interesting plot potential if they reset all the technology.

That's something too. If they give you a perfect ending and want to make another sequel, trying to think up another 'problem' for the galaxy to face might seem... contrived.

[Fisto The Sexbot]

Siegdrifa wrote...

Guldhun2 wrote...

Siegdrifa wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

Holy crap. BSN is going to implode next week.

Why would Bioware do this to us? To themselves?

Rumor of a 7 ending available via NG+
It was mentionned on the official guide it seems, and since it's N7, 6 ending with the 7th would be a good gift. As people says it's impossible because it was data mined, may be it'll will come along later with a patch (just an extra video of few hundreds of mo), i remember, with the leak of Liara unused track for the futur SB that Bioware would be extra carful regarding with data mining.

To be honest and what i think about it, don't count on it.
If a 7 ending happen, that would be great, but it's not officialy confirmer and peoples shouldn't get their hope up and betting everything on it as it could be more painfull if it never happen.

There is no NG+ secret ending.

I never said there is or advise anybody to count on it, but it's seems to be mntionned by the official guide.

These guides can always be wrong (and outdated) though.

[razgriz21]

As long as the Reapers are destroyed, Cerberus and it's supporters our in a max. security prison, and the Batarians and Yahg are trapped on a nasty planet, I'm happy.

[CptBomBom00]

Ymladdych wrote...

If this is accurate information, then I think I know why they did it: narrative opportunity.

They see more interesting plot potential if they reset all the technology.

what's this escape from new york, with kurt rusell?

[Guldhun2]

razgriz21 wrote...

As long as the Reapers are destroyed, Cerberus and it's supporters our in a max. security prison, and the Batarians and Yahg are trapped on a nasty planet, I'm happy.

Everybody will be "trapped" since all the relays will be destroyed.

[Eclipse_9990]

Guldhun2 wrote...

razgriz21 wrote...

As long as the Reapers are destroyed, Cerberus and it's supporters our in a max. security prison, and the Batarians and Yahg are trapped on a nasty planet, I'm happy. 

Everybody will be "trapped" since all the relays will be destroyed. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

 

Wait. If we choose synergy does that mean the Yahg are gonna get some reaper tech too!? Oh I hope not! Frankly I can be content with the synergy ending if the Batarians, and Yahg don't end up getting fused with that sweet sweet reaper tech, and that everyone doesn't start acting like cold emotionless robots. 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 28 février 2012 - 04:05 .

[Capeo]

The worse thing is the endings aren't even that different. For all the choices we're given to make the endings all amount to different degrees of the same thing. There aren't many variables to play with. That's what I'm finding most disappointing.

And to people saying there couldn't be a "happy ending", give me a break. There's nothing more trite than the "ultimate sacrifice" ending. They both should be in there. Sure, destroy the relay system and set galactic civilization back thousands of years. Fine. There's no reason that can't be accomplished and not isolate Shepard from his crew or LI. It would still end his story because there's nowhere to go after that.

[Teredan]

The problem with saying that saving the galaxy is the sweet part is that most people won't care about the galaxy to the same degree they care about their crew.
And bioware set the games up to be that way.

They never show you everyday galactic life. They never made it transparent why we as a person should care about the galaxy other than that it is morally healthy to do so.

[Berg]

Teredan wrote...

The problem with saying that saving the galaxy is the sweet part is that most people won't care about the galaxy to the same degree they care about their crew.
And bioware set the games up to be that way.

Exactly. Not happy with this at all.

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Teredan wrote...

They never show you everyday galactic life. They never made it transparent why we as a person should care about the galaxy other than that it is morally healthy to do so.

Perhaps we'll see a kid smiling while watching the sky, after we see Shepard and Co. stranded.

[Teredan]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Teredan wrote...

The problem with saying that saving the galaxy is the sweet part is that most people won't care about the galaxy to the same degree they care about their crew.
And bioware set the games up to be that way.

They never show you everyday galactic life. They never made it transparent why we as a person should care about the galaxy other than that it is morally healthy to do so.

Because Shepard goal is to save the galaxy. Not to save his crew 

? don't get your point. Which just makes me think you probably didn't get mine either?
I argued that sure saving the galaxy can be the sweet part but it has to be set up that way or else the feeling of sacrifice falls flat.

Sacrifice is only rewarding if the aftermath makes you feel it was worth it.
Just going off by how me1 and 2 were done I don't think that having saved the galaxy is worth the sacrifice of yourself and the happiness of your entire crew. Since the galaxy at this point is just an abstract concept to most of us at this point.

Also again I'm just going off about what I've gathered about the endings which is by all means very incomplete.
Context can do wonders to the endings.
How choices before that lead up to it can have a major impact of how the ending will be received.

Modifié par Teredan, 28 février 2012 - 04:15 .

[Capeo]

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Teredan wrote...

They never show you everyday galactic life. They never made it transparent why we as a person should care about the galaxy other than that it is morally healthy to do so.

Perhaps we'll see a kid smiling while watching the sky, after we see Shepard and Co. stranded.

You jest, but in the original leaked script there is an epilogue where humans are sitting around a fire on a destroyed earth and a little kid asks his mom to tell him the story about Shepard again. 

[Yuoaman]

What irks me is that Bioware made it so both previous games can have crazy triumphant endings, and that's what we've come to expect from Mass Effect - being Big Damn Heroes in the end. But this... this doesn't feel quite right.

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Capeo wrote...

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Teredan wrote...

They never show you everyday galactic life. They never made it transparent why we as a person should care about the galaxy other than that it is morally healthy to do so.

Perhaps we'll see a kid smiling while watching the sky, after we see Shepard and Co. stranded.

You jest, but in the original leaked script there is an epilogue where humans are sitting around a fire on a destroyed earth and a little kid asks his mom to tell him the story about Shepard again. 

Now you jest... this can't be more Mad Max-y.  

Not that I have a problem with Mad Max, love the films, but keep them off my Mass Effect.