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[Rdubs]

Carnage752 wrote...

Alright, GameZone did a review that has Michael Gamble saying that there is multiple DIFFERENT endings. Are the leaks fake or is Bioware straight up lying now? Whatever the case, I'm going to backstab either the leakers or Bioware.

Check it yourself:
http://www.gamezone....fferent-endings

This is an excellent data point for the future.  Rarely has there ever been a starker contrast between information available from leaks which points to one outcome, versus official PR statements pointing to another.  Exactly like Carnage says here, let's come back when we know for sure and see who is correct and who is incorrect and bear that in mind for the future.  To me it seems there are only 3 ways this can go:
1) The conclusions people are getting from the leaks is wrong and there actually is an ending most people are hoping for.
2) The interviewee was completely lying and just trying to prevent people who are thinking about canceling their pre-order, from doing so.
3) The leak endings will prove mostly correct and when confronted with "I thought you said the endings would be different", Bioware draws on its inner Bill Clinton and says "We said the endings would be DIFFERENT, we didn't say how much different." 
Sadly I predict #3 is the outcome which will play out, and it will do big damage to future credibility.  And as a guy wanting nothing more than to sail off into the sunset with Ashley, I have never hoped I am more wrong in my life.

[Unit-Alpha]

Patriota125 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Just checked, existing ME videos are in 720p.

+

Could you give me a link or your lying again?.

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Oh, I see. They're too small
for you. The rest of us with somewhat average eyesight(and in my case
less than average) they're just the right size.

They're small. Why can't we get full size screenshots. It's because it's fake and that's that.

Dude, shut up. I'm not lying. Why the hell would I lie about something so trivial? Lord, I'm just trying to help. And I don't give a damn if you believe me. You must have had some traumatic childhood experiences or something that has made you distrust people so much, and I'm sorry. But that's your problem.

Here's the download for the video tools: http://www.radgameto...com/bnkdown.htm

Check yourself.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 29 février 2012 - 08:44 .

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Yeah, wasn't that Reaper screenshot from a trailer or something? I remember seeing a video of that.

[magnuskn]

humes spork wrote...
It amazes me more people aren't hacked off about that contrivance, and instead harping incessantly about the Normandy's crew (all three of them that have any real significance to anyone or anything) and whether Shepard gets post-Reaper nookie with their space waifu.

Yeah, it's like different people have different priorities. Amazing that.

Not that you are wrong about your main point about us needing another deus ex machina to win, instead of going with the theme of what the advertisements for the promise.

But still, plesae learn to accept that others have the right to like different things than you.

[Jackal7713]

humes spork wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

humes spork wrote...

The thing is, the Reapers really weren't set up as some unstoppable threat. Consider:

Sovereign got its own stupid ass killed. Furthermore, it couldn't directly assault the Citadel itself to begin the new cycle because the Citadel fleet posed a significant threat to it. It needed the Geth and Saren, because it couldn't just sweep one Council fleet aside on its own. The Fifth fleet destroyed Sovereign, even after having an all-out slugfest with the Geth, despite the Alliance being the weakest in numbers and technology among the major players in Council space. Heck, why even waste its time with the Geth? Just have Saren walk into the Council chambers one fine afternoon, cap the Council and activate the Citadel relay -- no need to worry about the beacons, Cipher, Mu relay, Ilos or the Geth feint at all, because apparently Saren didn't even need the Prothean command program or knowledge of what the Protheans did and how, at all considering Saren didn't even make an attempt to contact Vigil.

That's before the Council races get their hands on the "super-advanced Geth ship" and reverse engineer it to advance their own military technology god only knows how far. Like, for example, the three plot-critical Normandy upgrades, one of which is explicitly stated to be from reverse-engineered from Reaper tech and the other two heavily implied to be as well -- that came from Turian and Quarian sources and not just Alliance or Cerberus. And the Alliance got their hands on the SR-2, reverse engineered it and got access to that tech, too. Just in case we want to pick nits about who has access to what tech, when and how.

Harbinger was just smart enough to be genre savvy, but not genre savvy enough to seal the deal by, say...self-destructing the Collector ship while Shepard was aboard and just writing it off as an acceptible loss.

It's firmly established by Vigil the Reapers' primary strengths are surprise and subterfuge. Well, those two elements are pretty well out the window. Outside that, all the Reapers really have going for them is strength in numbers, because they're obviously not remotely as smart or powerful as they're made out to be.

And, how is the Crucible and Guardian in any way not a deus ex machina? Pulling from Wikipedia here out of sheer laziness, a deus ex machina "is a plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem is suddenly and abruptly solved with the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability, or object." That's...pretty much the exact definition of deus ex machina, to the letter.

I agree competely. 

But Bioware evidently wanted the Reapers to be Lovecraftian spacegods that could only be stopped through plot contrivance. 

Severely hurts the whole thing. 

Yup, that's the thing that hacks me off most of all. The Reapers simply aren't the Ultimate Galaxy-Ending Unstoppable Threat they're made out to be, but still powerful enough it takes the entire galaxy rising as a single community to overcome it, otherwise everyone dies. That's a good, solid resolution to the main story that plays off previous choices made and gives meaning and depth to Shepard's exploits, challenges and setbacks over the course of the trilogy. Nope, it's gotta be about the eleventh hour plot coupons.

It amazes me more people aren't hacked off about that contrivance, and instead harping incessantly about the Normandy's crew (all three of them that have any real significance to anyone or anything) and whether Shepard gets post-Reaper nookie with their space waifu.

Don't knock post reaper nookie! Its the best Nookie to have!

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

humes spork wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

humes spork wrote...

The thing is, the Reapers really weren't set up as some unstoppable threat. Consider:

Sovereign got its own stupid ass killed. Furthermore, it couldn't directly assault the Citadel itself to begin the new cycle because the Citadel fleet posed a significant threat to it. It needed the Geth and Saren, because it couldn't just sweep one Council fleet aside on its own. The Fifth fleet destroyed Sovereign, even after having an all-out slugfest with the Geth, despite the Alliance being the weakest in numbers and technology among the major players in Council space. Heck, why even waste its time with the Geth? Just have Saren walk into the Council chambers one fine afternoon, cap the Council and activate the Citadel relay -- no need to worry about the beacons, Cipher, Mu relay, Ilos or the Geth feint at all, because apparently Saren didn't even need the Prothean command program or knowledge of what the Protheans did and how, at all considering Saren didn't even make an attempt to contact Vigil.

That's before the Council races get their hands on the "super-advanced Geth ship" and reverse engineer it to advance their own military technology god only knows how far. Like, for example, the three plot-critical Normandy upgrades, one of which is explicitly stated to be from reverse-engineered from Reaper tech and the other two heavily implied to be as well -- that came from Turian and Quarian sources and not just Alliance or Cerberus. And the Alliance got their hands on the SR-2, reverse engineered it and got access to that tech, too. Just in case we want to pick nits about who has access to what tech, when and how.

Harbinger was just smart enough to be genre savvy, but not genre savvy enough to seal the deal by, say...self-destructing the Collector ship while Shepard was aboard and just writing it off as an acceptible loss.

It's firmly established by Vigil the Reapers' primary strengths are surprise and subterfuge. Well, those two elements are pretty well out the window. Outside that, all the Reapers really have going for them is strength in numbers, because they're obviously not remotely as smart or powerful as they're made out to be.

And, how is the Crucible and Guardian in any way not a deus ex machina? Pulling from Wikipedia here out of sheer laziness, a deus ex machina "is a plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem is suddenly and abruptly solved with the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability, or object." That's...pretty much the exact definition of deus ex machina, to the letter.

I agree competely. 

But Bioware evidently wanted the Reapers to be Lovecraftian spacegods that could only be stopped through plot contrivance. 

Severely hurts the whole thing. 

Yup, that's the thing that hacks me off most of all. The Reapers simply aren't the Ultimate Galaxy-Ending Unstoppable Threat they're made out to be, but still powerful enough it takes the entire galaxy rising as a single community to overcome it, otherwise everyone dies. That's a good, solid resolution to the main story that plays off previous choices made and gives meaning and depth to Shepard's exploits, challenges and setbacks over the course of the trilogy. Nope, it's gotta be about the eleventh hour plot coupons.

It amazes me more people aren't hacked off about that contrivance, and instead harping incessantly about the Normandy's crew (all three of them that have any real significance to anyone or anything) and whether Shepard gets post-Reaper nookie with their space waifu.

Nah, that irked me to. It was like, "Oh, Reapers? You mean that thing I took down single-handidly in the first game? They're coming back? Welp, guess I'll just have to kill them again."

[magnuskn]

<double post>

Modifié par magnuskn, 29 février 2012 - 08:52 .

[Patriota125]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Yeah, wasn't that Reaper screenshot from a trailer or something? I remember seeing a video of that.

No we haven't seen that exact screenshot, but it rings a bell because of the ending of ME2 where we see a lot of Reapers coming.

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Dude, shut up. I'm not lying. Why the
hell would I lie about something so trivial? Lord, I'm just trying to
help. And I don't give a damn if you believe me. You must have had some
traumatic childhood experiences or something that has made you distrust
people so much, and I'm sorry. But that's your problem.

Here's the download for the video tools: http://www.radgameto...com/bnkdown.htm

Check yourself.

But where are those videos hosted? You said there were existing 720p ME3 videos, where are they? Do I have to extract them from the game? Duh, of course there exists videos in 720 in the game, what you said was misleading, there's still no proof those images are legit and they're not just looking at them, and theres not a video, because we can't get a hq video or screenshot from the ending, THEN IT'S FAKE AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT. YOU HAVENT SEEN THE ENDING.

[CptData]

Now there are rumors going around, the "space edition" comes with different endings than the "final edition".

I'm not sure if that's another sign of denial ...
... at least it's unlikely like winning the Million Jackpot.

[Dasher1010]

I think that it's incredibly lame that the squad gets a horrible ending no matter what. I smell a Witch Hunt coming on and honestly, after an ending like this, people will buy it even if they hate the devs for it.

[CptData]

+++ double post +++

Do you ALSO have an incredible slow BSN ?!

Modifié par CptData, 29 février 2012 - 08:49 .

[Unit-Alpha]

Patriota125 wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Yeah, wasn't that Reaper screenshot from a trailer or something? I remember seeing a video of that.

No we haven't seen that exact screenshot, but it rings a bell because of the ending of ME2 where we see a lot of Reapers coming.

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Dude, shut up. I'm not lying. Why the
hell would I lie about something so trivial? Lord, I'm just trying to
help. And I don't give a damn if you believe me. You must have had some
traumatic childhood experiences or something that has made you distrust
people so much, and I'm sorry. But that's your problem.

Here's the download for the video tools: http://www.radgameto...com/bnkdown.htm

Check yourself.

But where are those videos hosted? You said there were existing 720p ME3 videos, where are they? Do I have to extract them from the game? Duh, of course there exists videos in 720 in the game, what you said was misleading, there's still no proof those images are legit and they're not just looking at them, and theres not a video, because we can't get a hq video or screenshot from the ending, THEN IT'S FAKE AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT. YOU HAVENT SEEN THE ENDING.

Did you even read what I said? I said I checked, in reference to an eariler post about ME2 videos being in 720p...

Jesus, please read. I said nothing about ME3.

[A Great Biotic Wind]

Would I be in denial if I was to actually believe the "leaker," is nothing more than a troll whose full of s**t, and that BSN is overreacting?

[Unit-Alpha]

A Great Biotic Wind wrote...

Would I be in denial if I was to actually believe the "leaker," is nothing more than a troll whose full of s**t, and that BSN is overreacting?

You would be an optimist, which I can appreciate. I don't think it's worth the risk of getting your hopes up though.

[turian councilor Knockout]

CptData wrote...

+++ double post +++

Do you ALSO have an incredible slow BSN ?!

yeah it even teleport me back in time sometimes 

Modifié par turian councilor Knockout, 29 février 2012 - 08:51 .

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

CptData wrote...

Now there are rumors going around, the "space edition" comes with different endings than the "final edition".

I'm not sure if that's another sign of denial ...
... at least it's unlikely like winning the Million Jackpot.

But that would be saying for the full game people who won the Space Edition would need to purchase it to get the rest.

I know EA/Bioware love money but that is a little too hard to believe.

[Patriota125]

Unit-Alpha wrote...


Did you even read what I said? I said I checked, in reference to an eariler post about ME2 videos being in 720p...

Jesus, please read. I said nothing about ME3.

Oh my bad. well, let's keep going then.

[CptData]

A Great Biotic Wind wrote...

Would I be in denial if I was to actually believe the "leaker," is nothing more than a troll whose full of s**t, and that BSN is overreacting?

Even more than the rumors, the Space Edition sports a reduced selection of endings.

[JeffZero]

CptData wrote...

Now there are rumors going around, the "space edition" comes with different endings than the "final edition".

I'm not sure if that's another sign of denial ...
... at least it's unlikely like winning the Million Jackpot.

C'mon, Data, you're a reasonable poster. Why would the game's first impressions be purposefully soured? It's just denial.

[Yuqi]

At least it's not the first Mario ending..

[Unit-Alpha]

Patriota125 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...


Did you even read what I said? I said I checked, in reference to an eariler post about ME2 videos being in 720p...

Jesus, please read. I said nothing about ME3.

Oh my bad. well, let's keep going then.

Lol, it's cool, bro.

[Cor7ana]

Just a little commentary before I take my leave:

We probably haven't seen an official answer to any of this because it's a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation.

If you're the poor sucker who drew the short straw and had to write up a response to this, you risk spoiling the entire game to appease everyone, or you end up confirming these endings without context, or you summarize the entire damn plot.

I would love a sarcastic, "it's gun b kay" response.

Do it, Bioware. Say it. I have a lot of popcorn to get through.

[JeffZero]

A Great Biotic Wind wrote...

Would I be in denial if I was to actually believe the "leaker," is nothing more than a troll whose full of s**t, and that BSN is overreacting?

I've seen images. I don't need more proof personally.

[CptData]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

CptData wrote...

Now there are rumors going around, the "space edition" comes with different endings than the "final edition".

I'm not sure if that's another sign of denial ...
... at least it's unlikely like winning the Million Jackpot.

But that would be saying for the full game people who won the Space Edition would need to purchase it to get the rest.

I know EA/Bioware love money but that is a little too hard to believe.

They don't have. BW just releases a patch at 3/6/2012 that unlocks any other endings and adds proper BINK-vids.

[Capeo]

Patriota125 wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Yeah, wasn't that Reaper screenshot from a trailer or something? I remember seeing a video of that.

No we haven't seen that exact screenshot, but it rings a bell because of the ending of ME2 where we see a lot of Reapers coming.

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Dude, shut up. I'm not lying. Why the
hell would I lie about something so trivial? Lord, I'm just trying to
help. And I don't give a damn if you believe me. You must have had some
traumatic childhood experiences or something that has made you distrust
people so much, and I'm sorry. But that's your problem.

Here's the download for the video tools: http://www.radgameto...com/bnkdown.htm

Check yourself.

But where are those videos hosted? You said there were existing 720p ME3 videos, where are they? Do I have to extract them from the game? Duh, of course there exists videos in 720 in the game, what you said was misleading, there's still no proof those images are legit and they're not just looking at them, and theres not a video, because we can't get a hq video or screenshot from the ending, THEN IT'S FAKE AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT. YOU HAVENT SEEN THE ENDING.

My god, you are ridiculous.  Go over to the SA forums.  There are 3 people there that have played the game.  2 have pics to prove it.  We have leaked images that show the endings just as Tank described them a long time ago.  The PC version is now on pirate sites and the end vids are getting pulled.  Everything matches the script but with more detail and people from multiple different forums have now seen the endings.  Yes, you're right, it's a giant trolling conspiracy