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zoider16 wrote...

It looks like the people who actually liked the endings have created their own facebook group to support the endings www.facebook.com/DemandABetterEndingToMassEffect3#!/groups/206027856164956/ I am really hoping to see some real discussion by the people on the other side of this issue as to why they do like the endings.


I wouldn't hold my breath for any reasoned discussions. They'll probably be waxing poetic about the feelings aroused in them, and whatnot. Others might improvise on the 'sacrifice' theme.

Good luck to them, defending an 'ending' that doesn't end anything.

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KiganMatsuei wrote...

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someone might have mentioned this but Kelly Chambers got popped by the Cerberus goons during the attck on the citadel isnt that really annoying I would have just recruited her.


I told her to change her name, her hair, and all that jazz in my most recent playthrough (yeah I've actually done multiple playthroughs, I just ingore the endings). I'm not sure if she still gets killed or if she survives... :pinched:


Yeah, another problem with these endings. Are we supposed to believe that, even if the Citadel isn't destroyed, everyone on it is dead? Kelly, Bailey, the reporter girl, etc. Obviously they die if the Citadel explodes, but before that?

Who knows...


Given the reapers are in charge of the citadel and it is substantially smaller than a planet, I think it's safe to assume that anyone who was still on the citadel when it was taken is now dead. Sorry, but I can't see any way around that.

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People4Peace wrote...

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Keep up the good work everyone! Hold the line! and don't forget : http://retakemasseff...ect-childs-play

$51,000!!! lets go for 100k? ;)


Hell yes! I think we can do it!! We have until April 11th right?


We can do it :lol:

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Ah BDF showing up I see

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WvStolzing wrote...

zoider16 wrote...

It looks like the people who actually liked the endings have created their own facebook group to support the endings www.facebook.com/DemandABetterEndingToMassEffect3#!/groups/206027856164956/ I am really hoping to see some real discussion by the people on the other side of this issue as to why they do like the endings.


I wouldn't hold my breath for any reasoned discussions. They'll probably be waxing poetic about the feelings aroused in them, and whatnot. Others might improvise on the 'sacrifice' theme.

Good luck to them, defending an 'ending' that doesn't end anything.


Don't write off our comrades yet.  They may be indoctrinated.. but there's still hope.

Hold the line soldiiers.

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KaiserinKai wrote...

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Haha god this place really is like a support group of some sort. When I hit those horrible endings, I hopped online to see if I just didn't get it and people were saying the endings were deep masterpieces but thankfully no. It feels surprisingly good to know that I'm not alone in my feeling horrible over this ending.

As for what it is we want, though many see things in different ways I think we all agree that the ending should just be reexamined by Bioware. At the very least I think we want to discourage future games from taking such a terrible approach towards ending not just a game but a whole series. People to this day complain about Halo 2s ending but at least there people knew there would be a freaked sequel. In this case this is it. This is the end of.Commander Shepard and probably the crew. Hell it might be the end of all Mass Effect games. And THAT was how they sent us off!? With a vague last minute space-god-child-AI Deus ex machinations thing?! With an uncertain end for the whole crew and zero closure? A terrible idea.

Personally I think the best ending would have been something similar to Dragon Age Original. DRAGON AGE ORIGINS SPOILER WARNING At the end of DA you are given an actual choice at the end. You could be noble and sacrifice your life or you could allow your warden companion sacrifice himself. Finally you could let Morrigan have her way with you and nobody was sacrificed, though you have to question her motives and whether the world would later regret your decision. Three clear choices, not just whether you prefer your space magic in cinnamon, mint or blue berry blast flavor. Sacrificing yourself actually meant something when it was an actual choice. In the end of ME3 there wasn't a choice in that so its made pointless. Players who wanted a darker ending in DAO could sacrifice themselves and the end would be their own funeral, watching the friends you made and possible love interest in attendance while you're given a heartfelt eulogy. Those who wanted a happier ending (for their characters personally) could survive. They'd be given further closure and choice by ending the game where they can go through and talk to their friends, often being asked what they plan on doing next whether it be settle or keep fighting or whatever. Finally it all ended with a slide show explaining how some of your actions played out after your story was done. It was IMHO the perfect ending that offered most players what they wanted and a whole lot of closure. You certainly didn't have a huge uproar over the ending like you have here. How many of us would feel much happier today if that were the kind of ending we got?


YES. I have posted several times that when I heard about the multible endings, DA:O was the first thing to pop into my mind.

That game shows that Bioware can give us a good endings with lots of outcomes that also resolves the plots of the party members. So what gives?


I have to add my YES! to this. When I was playing the game I was looking forward to a really awesome DA:O style ending/epilogue. The way the plot resolved, the final conversations you get to have with your party (if you survived), the way you even got to choose what your character did after the plot was over! And the awesome epilogue text boxes. This would have been a perfect way for ME3 to go.

Instead I got to doom the galaxy with a red-flavoured plot hole.

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A great comprehensive article on the whole topic. (Quote from article) "ME3's ending has about as much closure as a pair of butt-less chaps." Haha.

mortarnpistol.com/2012/03/15/a-comprehensive-look-at-the-mass-effect-3-ending/ 

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Vandriel wrote...

Cybermortis wrote...

weatabix wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

weatabix wrote...

Another one of these 'gaming' news sites. How can these be gamers like us? It seems that the people at Forbes are more in touch than these guys...

http://www.thegaming...ine-so-shut-up/


Interesting choice of words for the title...<_<


I know, but you gotta read the last line, it's not only rude but he doesn't really look into why we are angry. These 'reporters' give us all a bad name :crying:


If anything it gives the 'reporters' a bad name. They are, in effect, insulting or trying to insult gamers...that would be the very same group of people they are meant to be writing for. They are either too stupid to realise that they are attacking the very people who provide them with a job, or assuming that most gamers will be too stupid to realise that they are doing this....


He obviously has never played any games that have a proper epilogue. We aren't asking for a history of the universe, just a history of our friends. We aren't asking for an oversimplified "Ending for dummies" that leaves nothing to the imagination, just one that makes more sense. People like him don't address the plot holes one iota. For example he mentions nothing about the relays and the races apparently being stranded, or the whole Normandy thing. 

You have to realize one thing about gaming journalists ESPECIALLY online ones, their salaries by and large, are paid for with ad revenue by the very people they are supposed to be critical of. So they can never come off as being too harsh to them, they just lightly bruise them now and then to give the illusion of being objective.


You gotta love the people whos entire argument stands on "you just don't get the ending, it's supposed to be open ended so you can think about it".

Really? Cause I'm pretty sure I've been thinking about how it will all end for the past 2 years, and that was before Bioware took my $60. I don't want a 'come up with your own ending' scenario, I want an ending that puts the characters/races I loved for 5 years to rest. A definitive ending to my shepards story, telling me that 'I just don't get it' is hubris of a monumental level.

Modifié par Hydralysk, 16 mars 2012 - 12:58 .


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Arghhh still no news huh?

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First post.
Created account just to express feelings on the ending of mass effect 3.
I was very disapointed.
All I wanted was to have a happy ending with Tali.
I love you Tali.
That is all.

#34186
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 This will no doubt get lost in the flood of comments already on this thread, and it's not really anything that hasn't been said by anyone else in some form or another...but it comes from my heart, the heart of a Mass Effect fan that feels an ache that no one has been able to soothe.  I'm grieving right now; I'm feeling actual grief over this.  Crazy, right?  I should seek help.  Get outside, get a life, all those other happy-horsesh*t comments smartasses like to throw at gamers and geeks alike...I'm probably worthy of them all.  But that changes nothing.

Mass Effect has become more than just a series of video games.  It's a fully-realized universe, rich in diversity, culture and history.  It is the best or the worst of us and a study in how those facets of our souls can impact the reality we live in.  It's a story with characters we come to care about so much that we depict them in artwork or writing.  We weep when they suffer or die, and we cheer when they achieve a victory against the odds.  It may seem silly to some that we'd care so much for fictional characters, but their personalities, their triumphs and tragedies were powerful and deep and they touched us.  We were given this amazing gift by a series of artists and writers who wanted to show us something new, something that would steal our hearts and captivate our minds.  As much as we so want to hate Bioware right now...and believe me, they've made it easy enough...we're still in their debt for bringing this amazing universe to our lives.

That, above all else, is why the endings debacle stings so deeply.  They take such a fascinating and heart-tugging story of hope and success against the odds and rend it to tatters with three choices that still bring us tragedy and heartbreaking loss.  There's no final feeling of victory, no hope or joy from the knowledge that this universe will prevail despite all the destruction.  There's not even the bittersweet knowledge that the ultimate sacrifice had to be made in order to save a galaxy.  We're left with a gaping maw of confusion, doubt, fear, loss, and hopelessness.  Our hero is either dead or lost, allies are scattered, worlds are decimated and the hero's shipmates are castaways.  There's nothing but despair.

Many want to call people like the ones posting here "entitled whiners", saying that we have no business demanding anything from Bioware, or that we're hiding our selfishness and feelings of entitlement behind a charity to rodeo-clown our critics away.  We've been told we "don't get it".  I'll admit, I was one of those people at first.  I thought it was wrong of the players to leak the endings, to spread their anger all over the forums before March 6 and that they were poisoning the rest of us with rampant negativity.  But I get it now; I truly do.  And let me tell you, so do the rest of us.  We understand it all too well, and that's why it hurts so badly, and that's why we rage.  It's not so much that WE deserve better.  MASS EFFECT DESERVES BETTER.

This was supposed to be the final act, the culmination of years of storywriting, animation, voice-acting, digital design, programming...it was to be a masterpiece.  And you know what?  A lot of it was.  ME3 had its "Um, what?" moments, but honestly (and I think many of us can agree on this), 95% of this game was pretty frakking awesome.  The ending should've blown us away with something truly epic and amazing, something we'd be talking about for years to come...but in a positive, "how cool was that?!?  I want MORE!!!" way.  We expected those choices we made and sometimes even agonized over to steer us to something that satisfied all the feelings we got from making them.  We were given the chance to love someone, to have a soulmate to turn to when we were weary from the spilt blood and the spent thermal clips, and we wanted that romance to blossom into something beautiful and long-lasting if we so chose.  

Well...we sure were 'blown away', and we're definitely talking about it...all the while feeling betrayed, robbed, and heartbroken.  It's not right.  I don't even know if anything can make it right.  The people we relied on to give us an epic finale to an epic tale failed us in the most unbelievable way, and anything they may do now to fix it will be only because we rallied loudly and forcefully enough.  THEY DIDN'T CARE ENOUGH TO GIVE IT TO US THE FIRST TIME.  We had to "hold the line", to create a movement.  We had to DEMAND.  It should never, EVER have been that way.

This is why I grieve.  Mass Effect deserved better.

Modifié par Shatterhand1701, 16 mars 2012 - 12:59 .


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Cybermortis wrote...

weatabix wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

weatabix wrote...

Another one of these 'gaming' news sites. How can these be gamers like us? It seems that the people at Forbes are more in touch than these guys...

http://www.thegaming...ine-so-shut-up/


Interesting choice of words for the title...<_<


I know, but you gotta read the last line, it's not only rude but he doesn't really look into why we are angry. These 'reporters' give us all a bad name :crying:


If anything it gives the 'reporters' a bad name. They are, in effect, insulting or trying to insult gamers...that would be the very same group of people they are meant to be writing for. They are either too stupid to realise that they are attacking the very people who provide them with a job, or assuming that most gamers will be too stupid to realise that they are doing this....


I just love how these people treat us like a bunch of immature 5 year olds. Even though that description fits them so much more accurately <_<

Modifié par KaiserinKai, 16 mars 2012 - 01:00 .


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Acrylium wrote...

I actualy saw the last scene with Miranda after I romanced her during ME2 and ME3. Why should Shepard promise to find her, when he gets no chance to find her later on because of this incredible bad ending?


I agree. I was totally devastated when I learned that there was no reunion, no retire gracefully and settling down and starting a family. It was just so sad for my Shepard.

#34189
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Vancouver grunt reporting in.

Any non-hope crushing news?

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TamiBx wrote...

weatabix wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

weatabix wrote...

Another one of these 'gaming' news sites. How can these be gamers like us? It seems that the people at Forbes are more in touch than these guys...

http://www.thegaming...ine-so-shut-up/


Interesting choice of words for the title...<_<


I know, but you gotta read the last line, it's not only rude but he doesn't really look into why we are angry. These 'reporters' give us all a bad name :crying:


As soon as they say "shut up" I scream "CENSORSHIP!" so I don't even bother to read some low level jounalism. This isn't journalism. We have the right to express our opinions, as they do, but they can't tell us to be quiet. 

They can call us whatever they want, just ignore them ;)
Keep holding the line!


I have replied to this article.  Hope it matches everyone's feelings.

Hold the line!

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Jetfire99 wrote...

monimakitten wrote...

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Oh my lord that is so great, so freaking great.


Reaper Shepherd: "This forms pain is irrelevant."

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Annnnd I have a new background on my laptop!

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Cro730 wrote...

First post.
Created account just to express feelings on the ending of mass effect 3.
I was very disapointed.
All I wanted was to have a happy ending with Tali.
I love you Tali.
That is all.


A lot of people just want an ending with some closure at least.

Lets' keep fighting for buidling a home on the homeworld!
For the Blue Babies!
To give Garrus some peace.

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Kezza wrote...

A few reasons why fans can/have demand/ed a better ending in almost any situation
1. Fallout 3 had its ending changed so why not Mass effect 3
2. The book series Sherlock Holmes had its ending changed by Arthur Conan Doyle (Where holmes got killed)
3. The TV series "House" had its ending changed
4. The customer is always right


You said it. And wait, what do you mean about House?

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KRAETZNER wrote...

Reaper Shepherd: "This forms pain is irrelevant."


Sounds almost Hanar lol..

Which reminds me, Anyone else listen to the entire Blasto movie dialog on the advertising board?  Or was it just me dying laughing the entire time?

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ziyon conqueror wrote...

Kezza wrote...

A few reasons why fans can/have demand/ed a better ending in almost any situation
1. Fallout 3 had its ending changed so why not Mass effect 3
2. The book series Sherlock Holmes had its ending changed by Arthur Conan Doyle (Where holmes got killed)
3. The TV series "House" had its ending changed
4. The customer is always right


You said it. And wait, what do you mean about House?


The TV series house was surpose to end with him going into the insane assylum

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People4Peace wrote...

CirusTheVirus666 wrote...

Keep up the good work everyone! Hold the line! and don't forget : http://retakemasseff...ect-childs-play

$51,000!!! lets go for 100k? ;)


Hell yes! I think we can do it!! We have until April 11th right?


April 11th is Commander Shepard's Birthday.

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Elysis wrote...

F*ck this - I was being considerate and respectful towards Bioware's endings.
But after reading The Final Hours, I'm done.

I'm joining the fleet. *reloads shotgun*

=sigh= ... sure wish they'd hurry up and get that PC version released.

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OniRogue wrote...

zoider16 wrote...

It looks like the people who actually liked the endings have created their own facebook group to support the endings www.facebook.com/DemandABetterEndingToMassEffect3#!/groups/206027856164956/ I am really hoping to see some real discussion by the people on the other side of this issue as to why they do like the endings.


Quoting their Agenda "Those who want it changed to something simpler and
more straight-forward apparently do not understand the whole point of
the series.", I think I can say that your hopes will not come true.

While I accept any Opinion on that matter, this whole "You just don't understand it" is not the way to go^^


lol last I checked; they have 4 members; and won't let you post unless you join them.  Its not like the other page with 30k+ likes; they allow everyone to post.....

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DifferentD17 wrote...

Cro730 wrote...

First post.
Created account just to express feelings on the ending of mass effect 3.
I was very disapointed.
All I wanted was to have a happy ending with Tali.
I love you Tali.
That is all.


A lot of people just want an ending with some closure at least.

Lets' keep fighting for buidling a home on the homeworld!
For the Blue Babies!
To give Garrus some peace.


And Turian, Human and/or Krogan adopted babies......:D