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[CptData]

JeffZero wrote...

CptData wrote...

Now there are rumors going around, the "space edition" comes with different endings than the "final edition".

I'm not sure if that's another sign of denial ...
... at least it's unlikely like winning the Million Jackpot.

C'mon, Data, you're a reasonable poster. Why would the game's first impressions be purposefully soured? It's just denial.

As I said: that rumor is most likely a hoax. It's far more likely to win the Million Dollars Jackpot.

Even saw other kinds of denial ... it's enough for another thread.

Modifié par CptData, 29 février 2012 - 08:54 .

[JeffZero]

Modifié par JeffZero, 29 février 2012 - 08:54 .

[Marta Rio]

Tietj wrote...

Marta Rio wrote...

Tietj wrote...
Well, yes, but he did extract the files and they seem to be the only endings.  But he's been wrong before, with the whole "MP is required" thing.  I may be getting them mixed up, but XIo is the one with the actual game; Tank is just a tester who was fired.  I'm not saying you're definitely wrong but it does seem as though these are the endings.  I'm not hugely disappointed but it's not the greatest news I could have heard either.

So who exactly extracted the files?

I've been reading Xio's early responses in the spoiler discussion group, where he seems like he's very careful about the NDA.  Did he later do a total 180 and start going against the NDA?  Or is this someone else we're talking about?

Xio did.  And yes, he did start going against the NDA later on.  I've heard that other people extracted the files from the PC version but I have no idea if that's true.

I just went through Xio's epic Q and A thread in the spoiler group, and I see no mention about him extracting the files, or him breaking the NDA by revealing all the endings.  (I think he admits to breaking the NDA a single time, commenting on info someone else already posted.)  Did he do this somewhere else?  Or am I being trolled?

As for Mike Gamble's quote about multiple endings...I just don't know who to believe anymore.

[Unit-Alpha]

Cor7ana wrote...

Just a little commentary before I take my leave:

We probably haven't seen an official answer to any of this because it's a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation.

If you're the poor sucker who drew the short straw and had to write up a response to this, you risk spoiling the entire game to appease everyone, or you end up confirming these endings without context, or you summarize the entire damn plot.

I would love a sarcastic, "it's gun b kay" response.

Do it, Bioware. Say it. I have a lot of popcorn to get through.

Yep, everything's gonna be okay.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

CptData wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

CptData wrote...

Now there are rumors going around, the "space edition" comes with different endings than the "final edition".

I'm not sure if that's another sign of denial ...
... at least it's unlikely like winning the Million Jackpot.

But that would be saying for the full game people who won the Space Edition would need to purchase it to get the rest.

I know EA/Bioware love money but that is a little too hard to believe.

They don't have. BW just releases a patch at 3/6/2012 that unlocks any other endings and adds proper BINK-vids.

As someone said, after the players first impressions have been soured? Not likely.

[JeffZero]

Marta Rio wrote...

Tietj wrote...

Marta Rio wrote...

Tietj wrote...
Well, yes, but he did extract the files and they seem to be the only endings.  But he's been wrong before, with the whole "MP is required" thing.  I may be getting them mixed up, but XIo is the one with the actual game; Tank is just a tester who was fired.  I'm not saying you're definitely wrong but it does seem as though these are the endings.  I'm not hugely disappointed but it's not the greatest news I could have heard either.

So who exactly extracted the files?

I've been reading Xio's early responses in the spoiler discussion group, where he seems like he's very careful about the NDA.  Did he later do a total 180 and start going against the NDA?  Or is this someone else we're talking about?

Xio did.  And yes, he did start going against the NDA later on.  I've heard that other people extracted the files from the PC version but I have no idea if that's true.

I just went through Xio's epic Q and A thread in the spoiler group, and I see no mention about him extracting the files, or him breaking the NDA by revealing all the endings.  (I think he admits to breaking the NDA a single time, commenting on info someone else already posted.)  Did he do this somewhere else?  Or am I being trolled?

As for Mike Gamble's quote about multiple endings...I just don't know who to believe anymore.

He never breaks it because the guy from SomethingAwful pastebins stuff about the endings, thus enabling him to speak more candidly from thereon out. And it might not have been that particular thread but another in the Spoiler Group in which he started the extraction, but it definitely happened. No pre-rendered additional scenes in ME3, at least. He's rapidly going through a NG+ now to see if there's anything at the end of that rainbow but we all highly doubt it.

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Datamining for bink videos, ok.

But like Chromes said, how much in-game cutscene stuff do we have in the endings?

Check back to ME2 suicide mission and see which parts are bink

Normandy approaching collector base (bink)
upgrades showing different damages (bink)
Squadmate deaths or not (in-game)
Shepard and Co surviving/teammates dying (in-game)
Shepard and Co running, making it to the Normandy, pulled up / Shepard missing the jump (in-game)
Normandy leaving (bink)
base cleansed or blown up (bink)
Talk with TIM (in-game)
Normandy flying casually (bink)
Shepard checking on crew/dead coffins (in-game)
Reapers moving in (bink)

Yeah, my denial is acting up again, but you never know. (yet)

Modifié par Ghost Rider LSOV, 29 février 2012 - 08:58 .

[Marta Rio]

JeffZero wrote...

He never breaks it because the guy from SomethingAwful pastebins stuff about the endings, thus enabling him to speak more candidly from thereon out. And it might not have been that particular thread but another in the Spoiler Group in which he started the extraction, but it definitely happened. No pre-rendered additional scenes in ME3, at least. He's rapidly going through a NG+ now to see if there's anything at the end of that rainbow but we all highly doubt it.

Gotcha, thanks.  It's hard figuring out what's actually true in this mess.

[Garrus30]

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Datamining for bink videos, ok.

But like Chromes said, how much in-game cutscene stuff do we have in the endings?

Check back to ME2 suicide mission and see which parts are bink

Normandy approaching collector base (bink)
upgrades showing different damages (bink)
Squadmate deaths or not (in-game)
Shepard and Co surviving/teammates dying (in-game)
Shepard and Co running, making it to the Normandy, pulled up / Shepard missing the jump (in-game)
Normandy leaving (bink)
base cleansed or blown up (bink)
Talk with TIM (in-game)
Normandy flying casually (bink)
Shepard checking on crew/dead coffins (in-game)
Reapers moving in (bink)

Yeah, my denial is acting up again, but you never know. (yet)

that's exactly what I'm trying to say, especially that there is no way that Shepard is in any of those bink videos.

Modifié par Garrus30, 29 février 2012 - 08:59 .

[luzburg]

I REFUSE TO BELIVE THE GAME HAS THIS BAD ENINGS!!!

and i dont belive you gather all the war assets for nothing there is more to it
and the info we got is probably just som made up **** from the leaked script

Modifié par luzburg, 29 février 2012 - 09:01 .

[DragonRageGT]

A Great Biotic Wind wrote...

Would I be in denial if I was to actually believe the "leaker," is nothing more than a troll whose full of s**t, and that BSN is overreacting?

Probably but guess what, Denial is sometimes a life saver! (or a game/fun saver in this case).

Besides, antecipating suffering is such a waste. Let it happen first then we will know if it causes pain or not and only then choose to suffer over it, or not!

I have over 200 DA:Origins videos on YouTube. Most of them about the party banters but many of combat too. Always in Nightmare but one guy here on BSN doubted me one of the vids were NM because I didn't Esc/Game/Options/Gameplay/Show Diff to prove it! LOL (it was so easy to know it is NM though, just by noticing the damage numbers and the HP on the Boss) Only that, if the space guy really want to prove anything, he should capture and upload a video of his playthrough. At least I'd do that if I had an early access edition.

Like that amazing guy who has beaten Gold 100% solo in the Demo. Still a few crazy people said he could be cheating. I doubt it but if there was no video, I would never believe he had done it.

[blueruin]

Man, this forum really is comprised of hysterical rumor-mongering debbie downers.

Your posts are making me sympathize with the reapers and the extinction of the human race doesn't sound so bad anymore. I think I'm going to side with the reapers in my first playthrough THERE BETTER BE AN OPTION TO DO THAT BIOWARE OR PREORDER CANCELLLLLLLED

[humes spork]

magnuskn wrote...

Yeah, it's like different people have different priorities. Amazing that.

Not that you are wrong about your main point about us needing another deus ex machina to win, instead of going with the theme of what the advertisements for the promise.

But still, plesae learn to accept that others have the right to like different things than you.

I understand people may (or may not be) interested in individual characters or sub sections of resolutions and whether that provides them the closure or ending they feel they deserve. I'm pointing out (albeit sarcastically) the thing with the Normandy, Shepard or the LI isn't the only thing wrong here.

And, if the whole things seems to be a fundamental betrayal of the theme of the trilogy, do you expect better of details that emanate from that fundamental betrayal?

[JeffZero]

luzburg wrote...

I REFUSE TO BELIVE THE GAME HAS THIS BAD ENINGS!!!

and i dont belive you gather all the war assets for nothing there is more to it
and the info we got is probably just som made up **** from the leaked script

lmao

[Killjoy Cutter]

humes spork wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

humes spork wrote...

The thing is, the Reapers really weren't set up as some unstoppable threat. Consider:

Sovereign got its own stupid ass killed. Furthermore, it couldn't directly assault the Citadel itself to begin the new cycle because the Citadel fleet posed a significant threat to it. It needed the Geth and Saren, because it couldn't just sweep one Council fleet aside on its own. The Fifth fleet destroyed Sovereign, even after having an all-out slugfest with the Geth, despite the Alliance being the weakest in numbers and technology among the major players in Council space. Heck, why even waste its time with the Geth? Just have Saren walk into the Council chambers one fine afternoon, cap the Council and activate the Citadel relay -- no need to worry about the beacons, Cipher, Mu relay, Ilos or the Geth feint at all, because apparently Saren didn't even need the Prothean command program or knowledge of what the Protheans did and how, at all considering Saren didn't even make an attempt to contact Vigil.

That's before the Council races get their hands on the "super-advanced Geth ship" and reverse engineer it to advance their own military technology god only knows how far. Like, for example, the three plot-critical Normandy upgrades, one of which is explicitly stated to be from reverse-engineered from Reaper tech and the other two heavily implied to be as well -- that came from Turian and Quarian sources and not just Alliance or Cerberus. And the Alliance got their hands on the SR-2, reverse engineered it and got access to that tech, too. Just in case we want to pick nits about who has access to what tech, when and how.

Harbinger was just smart enough to be genre savvy, but not genre savvy enough to seal the deal by, say...self-destructing the Collector ship while Shepard was aboard and just writing it off as an acceptible loss.

It's firmly established by Vigil the Reapers' primary strengths are surprise and subterfuge. Well, those two elements are pretty well out the window. Outside that, all the Reapers really have going for them is strength in numbers, because they're obviously not remotely as smart or powerful as they're made out to be.

And, how is the Crucible and Guardian in any way not a deus ex machina? Pulling from Wikipedia here out of sheer laziness, a deus ex machina "is a plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem is suddenly and abruptly solved with the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability, or object." That's...pretty much the exact definition of deus ex machina, to the letter.

I agree competely. 

But Bioware evidently wanted the Reapers to be Lovecraftian spacegods that could only be stopped through plot contrivance. 

Severely hurts the whole thing. 

Yup, that's the thing that hacks me off most of all. The Reapers simply aren't the Ultimate Galaxy-Ending Unstoppable Threat they're made out to be, but still powerful enough it takes the entire galaxy rising as a single community to overcome it, otherwise everyone dies. That's a good, solid resolution to the main story that plays off previous choices made and gives meaning and depth to Shepard's exploits, challenges and setbacks over the course of the trilogy. Nope, it's gotta be about the eleventh hour plot coupons.

It amazes me more people aren't hacked off about that contrivance, and instead harping incessantly about the Normandy's crew (all three of them that have any real significance to anyone or anything) and whether Shepard gets post-Reaper nookie with their space waifu.

IMO, the whole thing with a contrived doomed sacrifice for all the heroes ties right back to the sort of story they're evidently tryng to emulate with the whole "unfathomable space gods" thing. 

[Ry3 Sjursen]

I was half expecting to be forced to sacrificing the relays, Shepard, and even Earth. This doesn't seem to bad, but I want my ends to be different.
I mean I wouldn't mind the sacrifices, I wouldn't mind one with Liara pregnant with my Shepard's baby either, whether my Shepard died or not. To me that would be enough of a happy ending.
I am fine with losing the relays, or anything, but the main thing I want is that most endings be different. I want them to be different. That sense of being able to change something. That is what I want.

Also, DIFFERENT ENDINGS!

[Garrus30]

 

Modifié par Garrus30, 29 février 2012 - 09:05 .

[txgoldrush]

humes spork wrote...

magnuskn wrote...

Yeah, it's like different people have different priorities. Amazing that.

Not that you are wrong about your main point about us needing another deus ex machina to win, instead of going with the theme of what the advertisements for the promise.

But still, plesae learn to accept that others have the right to like different things than you.

I understand people may (or may not be) interested in individual characters or sub sections of resolutions and whether that provides them the closure or ending they feel they deserve. I'm pointing out (albeit sarcastically) the thing with the Normandy, Shepard or the LI isn't the only thing wrong here.

And, if the whole things seems to be a fundamental betrayal of the theme of the trilogy, do you expect better of details that emanate from that fundamental betrayal?

and whats the theme of the trilogy, swatting away space gods without consquence?

Nevermind the fact that developers stated ME3's theme as victory through sacrifice...well what do you know, these endings.

[DragonRageGT]

Capeo wrote...

My god, you are ridiculous.  Go over to the SA forums.  There are 3 people there that have played the game.  2 have pics to prove it.  We have leaked images that show the endings just as Tank described them a long time ago.  The PC version is now on pirate sites and the end vids are getting pulled.  Everything matches the script but with more detail and people from multiple different forums have now seen the endings.  Yes, you're right, it's a giant trolling conspiracy 

While I agree that Patriot is just making a fool of himself (and I'd say, on purpose), I disagree that bink videos of the pirated version or screenshots would prove anything. When I want to do it, I do it right. I capture the f**** whole scenes with Fraps and compress with MovieMaker and upload to YouTube. In game cinematics are not in Bink videos. The actual endings of ME3, I believe, are not in Bink videos but in ingame cinematics.

Plus there is no ME3 bink video uploaded anywhere yet.

[toolfan9284]

luzburg wrote...

I REFUSE TO BELIVE THE GAME HAS THIS BAD ENINGS!!!

and i dont belive you gather all the war assets for nothing there is more to it
and the info we got is probably just som made up **** from the leaked script

I was in denial once too...there there, it's ok.  It gets easier, trust me <3

[Marta Rio]

Garrus30 wrote...

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Datamining for bink videos, ok.

But like Chromes said, how much in-game cutscene stuff do we have in the endings?

Check back to ME2 suicide mission and see which parts are bink

Normandy approaching collector base (bink)
upgrades showing different damages (bink)
Squadmate deaths or not (in-game)
Shepard and Co surviving/teammates dying (in-game)
Shepard and Co running, making it to the Normandy, pulled up / Shepard missing the jump (in-game)
Normandy leaving (bink)
base cleansed or blown up (bink)
Talk with TIM (in-game)
Normandy flying casually (bink)
Shepard checking on crew/dead coffins (in-game)
Reapers moving in (bink)

Yeah, my denial is acting up again, but you never know. (yet)

that's exactly what I'm trying to say, especially that there is no way that Shepard is in any of those bink videos.

Huh.  Potentially dead/alive squadmates wouldn't be in them either, yes?  Which at this point is pretty much all squadmates...

I think I need to get off of this thread before my head explodes.

Modifié par Marta Rio, 29 février 2012 - 09:08 .

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

DragonRageGT wrote...

Capeo wrote...

My god, you are ridiculous.  Go over to the SA forums.  There are 3 people there that have played the game.  2 have pics to prove it.  We have leaked images that show the endings just as Tank described them a long time ago.  The PC version is now on pirate sites and the end vids are getting pulled.  Everything matches the script but with more detail and people from multiple different forums have now seen the endings.  Yes, you're right, it's a giant trolling conspiracy 

While I agree that Patriot is just making a fool of himself (and I'd say, on purpose), I disagree that bink videos of the pirated version or screenshots would prove anything. When I want to do it, I do it right. I capture the f**** whole scenes with Fraps and compress with MovieMaker and upload to YouTube. In game cinematics are not in Bink videos. The actual endings of ME3, I believe, are not in Bink videos but in ingame cinematics.

Plus there is no ME3 bink video uploaded anywhere yet.

As for the PC version, wasn't the Origin pre-load today or something?

If it's the Origin version, no videos are being pulled. It needs to be unlocked.

[Rune-Chan]

blueruin wrote...

Man, this forum really is comprised of hysterical rumor-mongering debbie downers.

Your posts are making me sympathize with the reapers and the extinction of the human race doesn't sound so bad anymore. I think I'm going to side with the reapers in my first playthrough THERE BETTER BE AN OPTION TO DO THAT BIOWARE OR PREORDER CANCELLLLLLLED

Well the problem is, that people reacted like this for Dragon Age 2. People like you then did what you just did.

Then all the hysterics turned out to be true.

DA2 was buggy as hell.
The levels were completely copy and pasted a half a dozen times each.
The choices didn't matter.
The promised auto-attack feature wasn't in the game.

Don't get me wrong, DA2 was still a fun game, but Bioware lied through their teeth about it, and the doom-sayers turned out to be right with what they said it was like.

[_Martyr_]

@pics

AlphaJarmel 
So I found this on some guy's account.

http://i.imgur.com/YneT6.jpg

Visual copy of all three endings and the Normandy about to crash and burn.

 
Xoisite:
Wow... how weird...

DevilMingy 
Weird in what way?

Xoisite  
A joke for those who have been following the things I have posted. Something about a project "*****".

'nuff said.

Modifié par _Martyr_, 29 février 2012 - 09:09 .

[LordJeyl]

A Great Biotic Wind wrote...

Would I be in denial if I was to actually believe the "leaker," is nothing more than a troll whose full of s**t, and that BSN is overreacting?

Sigh. I must have faith.... must.. have... faith.  They wouldn't intentionally screw over one of their signature game series like this. Not when it's the final installment. There's so much at stake for Bioware. DAII was a mixed bag and Command and Conquer was a pretty headscratching announcement for their next game. Would they really end this series the same way someone would bury a treasured item in the desert, wipe their hands clean and declare that they don't need it anymore for no other reason other than reduce the weight of their house? Even Dragon Age, a game so cemented in it's dark portrayol of fantasy where anything can be changed to the worse of it's abilities, still had that ending while not entirel sugar coated, felt satisfying and not out of place. For Mass Effect to end on a such a shattering moment that would make the galaxy a much worse place to be a part of for everyone living in it is not how I would imagine the "Most Positive" ending for the franchise as a whole.

I want to see my Shepard not give up until she can do what she can to see things right, not simply be satisfied that her mission to defeat the Reapers is over no matter how much sacrifice was required.