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#34276
Alamandorious

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Crossleft wrote...

Alamandorious wrote...

Crossleft wrote...

Alamandorious wrote...

Ampmaster wrote...

Hey all, just a suggestion but let's stop posting/following/finding/sharing links to the haters. The gaming "journalist" articles especially. All it's gonna do it get us riled up and hitting them with some hate. Not to mention it gives them views/hits. Let's not give them money, they aren't saying anything we haven't heard any way.


No, I disagree; we need to see this as well.  It's actually funny to see how little thought these people have :)


and they need to be replied to with the same well thought out arguments being presented here...we won't make any progress by remaining insular


I reply in a civilized and orderly manner to most that I see; I've gotten tired of making accounts on sites, though >.<


hahah I feel you buddy I really do but keep it up! we're making some serious progress thanks to people like you fighting for the cause out there on the interwebs
Hold the Line!


Been holding the line since last Friday; I'm standing firm knowing everyone here stands with me.

#34277
PhoenixDove1

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The_Canadian_Dragon wrote...

Ivon wrote...

Just when I was starting to feel better.

 

:crying:


So it looks like your two squad mates are 'suppose' to die. :(


Wow, if I ever play ME3 again, I am not bringing my LI into the end run with me.


They've already said that app wasn't from Bioware, so if it's not their cut scene good.  If it is it could possibly be one of the endings we were promised...  Image IPB

#34278
Xyalon

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Computim wrote...

I wish Mystery Science Theatre was still around.. I'd love to see their take on the ME3 ending ;P


"So the concept of choice is a placebo...."


Oh yes, I would love to see Tom Servo's reponses to that...

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RussianOrc wrote...

The_Canadian_Dragon wrote...

Ivon wrote...

Just when I was starting to feel better.

 

:crying:


So it looks like your two squad mates are 'suppose' to die. :(


Wow, if I ever play ME3 again, I am not bringing my LI into the end run with me.

Bring EDI she technically imortal.


Something tells me her avatar is kind of "one of a kind". We don't see it (the Avatar 'Make') anymore after we get that one that EDI repurposes.

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The_Canadian_Dragon wrote...

Ivon wrote...

Just when I was starting to feel better.

 

:crying:


So it looks like your two squad mates are 'suppose' to die. :(


Wow, if I ever play ME3 again, I am not bringing my LI into the end run with me.


Yeah I was debating whether or not to bring Garrus and Tali along for this very reason, but in the end I figured "Hell if they die I'll just replace them with Javik and James. I mean Javik plans to die after the fight anyways".

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Menthro wrote...

Press article from the examiner, other articles they have are supporting us as well

http://www.examiner....ks?CID=obinsite

Can anyone who has the datapad app confirm this and the time you receive the text?


hello, i got that message after i v beaten the game, but as i was trying to start a new game+ still thinking that i should have missed something and there will definitely must be more ... :) And when i started for the game for the first time  the app was not yet available so i don't know what is your first mail, if this is different from one playthrough to another etc...

but just before that i got another message fromkaidan (the LI of that shep) and after one from anderson, saying it's hell on earth but they hold the line, so it's just at the start of the game when you leave earth ;p

so maybe, maybe not lol

Modifié par Mortensus, 16 mars 2012 - 01:28 .


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RussianOrc wrote...

The_Canadian_Dragon wrote...

Ivon wrote...

Just when I was starting to feel better.

 

:crying:


So it looks like your two squad mates are 'suppose' to die. :(


Wow, if I ever play ME3 again, I am not bringing my LI into the end run with me.

Bring EDI she technically imortal.


I would just bring Javik and James... because I seriously hate him...

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Any news from the Front??

SSV Victory reporting in for duty...

/Salute

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Hydralysk

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*double post*

Modifié par Hydralysk, 16 mars 2012 - 01:29 .


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the good old days...

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Xyalon wrote...

Computim wrote...

I wish Mystery Science Theatre was still around.. I'd love to see their take on the ME3 ending ;P


"So the concept of choice is a placebo...."


Oh yes, I would love to see Tom Servo's reponses to that...


You think way too much like I do haha.. that was exactly my thought when I said it hahahaha.

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Do the developers even know what the ending is? seems to me not even they knew what they were doing.

Allot of late posts from devs seem to be contradicting what they promised back before the game was released.

#34288
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Cro730 wrote...

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Cro730 wrote...

First post.
Created account just to express feelings on the ending of mass effect 3.
I was very disapointed.
All I wanted was to have a happy ending with Tali.
I love you Tali.
That is all.

same here
Tali: I want more time
yea so did i tali, so did i.......

and more time is the only thing i can hope for with a new ending.
for you as well as all other Tali lovers  
certainly not the best ending I would want (obviously I would want to live and be with her), But moving nonetheless

that was pretty moving :crying:
and yea totally wanted to see my shep and her in their new home etc, hope they do get more time

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The_Canadian_Dragon wrote...

Ivon wrote...

Just when I was starting to feel better.

 

:crying:


So it looks like your two squad mates are 'suppose' to die. :(


Wow, if I ever play ME3 again, I am not bringing my LI into the end run with me.


Yeah I was debating whether or not to bring Garrus and Tali along for this very reason, but in the end I figured "Hell if they die I'll just replace them with Javik and James when I load it up next. I mean Javik plans to die after the fight anyways".

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Ok, so I can finally post (took ages to resgister ME3 on here) and vent to someone, as none of my friends have finished the game yet, and I may explode soon. All my fiancée knows is that I spent two days going from crying, denial, numbness, anger, to vague acceptance, and then anger again.

So this is what I wrote to Bioware in an email that sums up how I feel (warning, LOTS of text!):

To Whom This May Concern,

I am not entirely sure who to send this to, so if this is the wrong email, please could you forward it to the appropriate people - maybe the writing and development team?

Mass Effect as a series has blown me away, way, way beyond I would think possible with a game - the characters, plot, location, Shepard him/herself. The writing and development of the series has been that good, that I felt I was actually in that universe, actually being Shepard. Creating a world like that takes great skill, talent, and dedication, and you must obviously listen to your fan base. For Mass Effect 3, the development of the relationship with Garrus and Shepard was beyond amazing, jaw droppingly so. It was like the writers got inside my head and wrote it how I imagined it to be, it was unbelievable. As I played through, I could feel the desperation to succeed, wanting not just to save the Galaxy, but that so Garrus, Liara, Tali, et al could be happy and have a future. I was emotionally invested with them, and it was an amazing experience getting to feel that.

The scene with Thane in the hospital was tragic and touching, and Mordin's last scene sad, but I could handle that, as the way he sang to himself was the way I thought he would have wanted to go. It was like "it is what he would have wanted."
The last moments with the team were the most heartbreaking, well written scenes I have gone through - better than any film I have ever seen, better than any game I have ever played.

Then in the last 10 minutes, it actually felt that that world was being ripped from me. Sounds extreme, but many other fans can vouch for this feeling too. It wasn't so much that we had to make a choice, it was that I personally couldn't believe that there was no middle ground choice (bearing in mind no DLC has been released yet), there was no spark of light at the end of the tunnel. Ignoring what happens to Shepard herself, the outlook for the crew is a horrible realisation, stuck on a planet with no Relays, no ship, no seeming way of getting off.

And that is what hurt the most - the lack of closure. You don't know what happens to them, you wonder how the team members that were with you got to be on the Normandy, you don't get the future you had hoped. I remember thinking back to ME2 and when my Shepard is talking to Liara, and saying I want Garrus to have peace. You don't know if he, or any other player's romantic interest's, get peace. You don't know what happens to any of them, the galaxy, Earth, after the War.

So, even if the future DLC can't give what many of us hope for (a Shepard that survives, who has a happily ever after with their love interest), please, at least give us a proper chance to say goodbye to the characters we love, to hear their thoughts on the way, to just know they have a future, to acknowledge that Shepard is not with them. I think that would do it for me, just a simple talk between characters, rounding everything up. Garrus meeting up with his dad and sister, Tali going back to her home planet finally, Javic making peace with himself, etc.

The final scene just didn't give me closure, and I think that, after the massive build up in the prior scenes, was what was the disappointment was. I didn't get to properly say goodbye to the most amazing trilogy I have ever experienced, which has so much of me put towards it. Emotionally devastating is the only way I can think of expressing it.

So, if you could at least acknowledge this, maybe just reply, put out a statement, post of the forums, anything to give us fans hope.

Still, thank you for the adventure.






For actually sending this to Bioware, you get 10+ Paragon or Renegade points, your choice!

Paragon thank you!

Wow, this forum moves fast, I can barely keep up.

#34291
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RussianOrc wrote...

The_Canadian_Dragon wrote...

Ivon wrote...

Just when I was starting to feel better.

 

:crying:


So it looks like your two squad mates are 'suppose' to die. :(


Wow, if I ever play ME3 again, I am not bringing my LI into the end run with me.

Bring EDI she technically imortal.


But they teleport back to the Normandy and someone on twitter (Jesscia or the people at ME) said they can't discuss this yet. So I think there is more to it.

But just in case I would bring your least favorite squad mates. I am redoing that scene because I brought Garrus and no way do I want to risk that. So I'll bring EDI (I am picking Destroy anyway) and James (newest one to the party). I thought about bringing Prothy....good way to go out against a Repear but he is the last of his kind and I just couldn't do it. Too bad I couldn't bring Chobot on that run....

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PhoenixDove1 wrote...

The_Canadian_Dragon wrote...

Ivon wrote...

Just when I was starting to feel better.

 

:crying:


So it looks like your two squad mates are 'suppose' to die. :(


Wow, if I ever play ME3 again, I am not bringing my LI into the end run with me.


They've already said that app wasn't from Bioware, so if it's not their cut scene good.  If it is it could possibly be one of the endings we were promised...  Image IPB


That cut scene IS their's. It's an Apple App, and Apple is like a religious fanatic when it comes to copyright infringement. So there's no way that delete scenes could have been created (3D Max / Blender) and then successfully uploaded to the Apple Store.

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Yeah, I took Kaidan and Garrus specifically because they were the two I didn't want to have be far away from me. Bleh.

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Alamandorious wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

LittleDeadGirl wrote...

Well now that's its become clear they always intended this fiasco of an ending to be the ending I can move on in my grieving process and just try to salvage a decent ending in my own head and leave it at that. I think the only good thing that came out of it as the whole mass effect community coming together and creating so many funny moments out of this fiasco. I've enjoyed them a lot more then I enjoyed the ending.


How has it become clear? Sorry I just got on a little while ago.


It hasn't.  Final Hours is an app that was not put out by bioware, but some people unfortunately believe it's canon.  Bioware vehemently denied that it was part of anything important, so...


Oh it has deleted scenes on it right? I saw the scene where the two you take with you die. That just feels like they're punishing you... lol

#34295
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Computim wrote...

Dominus Solanum wrote...

Yeah, I would have killed for a DA:O style ending. There were a number of things about the war assets that bothered me, namely, a vast majority of them not showing up. Would it have been so bad to see the lone volus dreadnought ruining a reaper's day? The batarians finally doing something useful other than being self righteous slavers? A hanar jacking up a husk on Earth?

I think in my mind I was expecting something LIKE DA:O only far grander with echoes of every choice I'd ever made in ME. Hell, I wouldn't even care if my Shepard died if this happened. That's what happened to my elf in DA:O and that was a pretty good send off. For ME I assumed they would pull out all the stops and I'd be treated to a long farewell cutscene as a tribute to the great ride we had.

Heh. Ignorance is bliss.


Exactly.. the save game editor on the PC (Dunno if it's an official thing) has a listing of all the choices you can make in the ME series.  They're literally a series of checkboxes that store in your save file... so it wouldn't have been hard at all for them to have gone through that list and picked out, even a few key ones and knocked them off in even freaken concept art... I would have loved that.. Let the still artists do something they usually don't get to in video games and provide key plot stuff.  I would prefer like a grand glorious tie-in with cutscenes and such, but I'd take still photos over citadel kid.


I would take nearly anything over the danm starchild...

Honestly, if I ever do another playthrough, I think I will just sit down and london and watch the city burn. Better than talking to that kid...

#34296
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People4Peace wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...

The_Canadian_Dragon wrote...

Ivon wrote...

Just when I was starting to feel better.

 

:crying:


So it looks like your two squad mates are 'suppose' to die. :(


Wow, if I ever play ME3 again, I am not bringing my LI into the end run with me.

Bring EDI she technically imortal.


But they teleport back to the Normandy and someone on twitter (Jesscia or the people at ME) said they can't discuss this yet. So I think there is more to it.

But just in case I would bring your least favorite squad mates. I am redoing that scene because I brought Garrus and no way do I want to risk that. So I'll bring EDI (I am picking Destroy anyway) and James (newest one to the party). I thought about bringing Prothy....good way to go out against a Repear but he is the last of his kind and I just couldn't do it. Too bad I couldn't bring Chobot on that run....


lol, I'll probably James and Ashley (for sure her; hate her).

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Ivon wrote...

Just when I was starting to feel better.

 

:crying:


So it looks like your two squad mates are 'suppose' to die. :(

...and then magically reappear stepping off the Normandy, I suppose, as BOTH mine did.  <_<

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 and with this fubar piece of work the svv sae/austria/graffiti signs off. 
**** vectors. **** illustrator. but hail to marauder shields. 

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Hello ME community,

Before I begin, I’m sorry this post turned out longer than I intended.  Please feel free to skip it if you don’t want to read it, I won’t hold it against you.

Like many of you, I’ve been reading these posts since early in the movement, sympathizing and finding some comfort in similar experiences.  Also like many others, this will be my first post on these forums.  I wasn’t originally going to bother re-posting sentiments others had expressed better than I could, but I’d like to take a moment to stress an angle that seems to not be as common concerning the issue at hand.

First, as some brief background context, I am not exactly a supporter of the “video game player entitlement” movement.  When the “day one DLC” rage spilled onto the internet, I was one of the people who lined up against it.  It’s Bioware’s game, they can decide what’s core and what’s peripheral, even if you disagree.  To extrapolate this more generally, I do indeed believe in an artist’s right to make his art whatever he wants.  An author can kill off a character I loved in an epic novel series – I’ll be upset and probably disagree that it was the best thing for the book, but that’s the author’s vision.  George Lucas wants to weaken Darth Vader’s character in his latest round of movie refinement?  Hey, I think it’s ridiculous, but it’s his creation to ruin.  Bioware wanted to make their second installment in a great series (DA) more of a personal focus that inherently requires too much content recycling?  Clearly they don’t understand what their fans want, but hey, they are entitled to make their game the way they want to.

For all those examples, it’s OK in my mind because there’s a pretty big separation from the creators of art/entertainment and the partakers.  As a video game player, I’m inherently on the outside – I’m invited to experience the end result, think of it what I will, and move one.

Mass Effect was different.  And not only because unlike the other examples I truly felt invited into the experience as opposed to simply being on the outside looking in.  No, the troubling situation of this game’s ending goes beyond the rich universe and the compelling characters that drew me in.  It goes beyond how they allowed us to make the series our own with decisions big and small, only to have so much choice removed at the end.

What really makes this whole situation a betrayal is the fact that they knew us.  Bioware not only listened to the community its masterpiece had formed, but they actively listened to its feedback and incorporated it into the game. 

Did I need to hear three “calibrations” jokes in the first 10 minutes of having Garrus onboard the Normandy?  No more than I needed a bro-tastic excursion with everyone’s favorite sharpshooter that prominently featured one of the community’s favorite memes, but you damned well better believe I loved it.  We didn’t need the community’s fantasy EDI/Joker romance to be brought to life in an almost too-cliché, yet oh-so-amusing, way; nor did we need a Conrad cameo making light of one of Bioware’s more perplexing bugs from ME2.  None of this was necessary.  But they knew we would smile, so they put it in.

But it’s more than just fan pandering that showed me how well Bioware understood me.  My favorite example is my Shepard’s conclusion of the Geth/Quarian conflict.  They knew my Shepard would want to save the Geth and the Quarians both.  They knew I’d let Legion do his upload.  They knew my heart would race as the upload ticked up, with Tali’s desperate pleas making me doubt if I was going to be able to fix it all in the end after all.  They knew I’d smile with pride as my Shepard shouted down centuries of hatred with pure Paragon conviction, saving the day at the last minute.  And they knew my heart strings would be pulled with Legion’s final “Keelah se’lai”.  Bioware played me like a fiddle, because they knew me.

And it wasn’t just that one instance; it was every damn part of this near-perfect game.  Looking back it’s almost painful to see how perfectly the writers nailed it every step of the way.  And in that last, brilliantly crafted forward operations base area, as every conversation created a lasting memory, I defy you to tell me that Bioware didn’t understand what its community, what I wanted out of this game.

That is why the ending they gave us constitutes more than just something for overly-entitled fans to whine about.  Hell, I’ll be honest, I even kind of like the “indoctrination theory” take on the ending, it makes for a decently thought-provoking and subtle-ish end to a sci-fi epic.  That is entirely beside the point.  You cannot know your fans as well as the rest of the game proves and not know the ending we wanted.  Bioware, you cared about us enough to make the whole game a perfect walk between pure fan-service and a wonderful manifestation of your own artistic vision.  You cared, damn it – we can tell.  And then at the last minute, you stopped caring and decided to give us something you clearly really liked, but that you knew we wouldn’t.  You knew many of us wanted to choose hope, fulfilling victory at great cost, and a self-determined future for this beloved universe you let us craft with you.  And you just didn’t care.  That's why this happens to hurt the community, and fans like myself, more than you might expect.

You see, Bioware, it’s not the ending itself that makes this such a big deal for us.  It’s that you clearly knew the kind of ending we would want, knew how much it meant to us, and you decided to deny it.  It’s that simple.

And if any Bioware employee should actually read this, please know this:

I will not forget how close you let me come to having a truly memorable video game experience years in the making, only to stop caring about your fans at the final moment.

And I WILL hold the line.

Modifié par Xelv88, 16 mars 2012 - 01:35 .


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No, to me it become clear by the fact they made a sticky asking people what they liked about the game and what they didn't like about the ending. All of the "official" quotes from Bioware leads me to believe this is the ending they intended and are shocked people don't love it. I don't believe they have a secret DLC coming that was there all along. Best case scenerio they may scramble to put one together a la Fallout 3 in a few months to quell the anger. I hope I'm proved wrong but I don't see anyting that leads me to believe anything more is coming (save for maybe an mmo dlc or some other such bull****)