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[Hydralysk]

Nilofeliu wrote...

LittleDeadGirl wrote...

No, to me it become clear by the fact they made a sticky asking people what they liked about the game and what they didn't like about the ending. All of the "official" quotes from Bioware leads me to believe this is the ending they intended and are shocked people don't love it. I don't believe they have a secret DLC coming that was there all along. Best case scenerio they may scramble to put one together a la Fallout 3 in a few months to quell the anger. I hope I'm proved wrong but I don't see anyting that leads me to believe anything more is coming (save for maybe an mmo dlc or some other such bull****)

The problem is, you are right, IMHO you are 100% right...

There are no secrets DLCs or patches, there is no secret ending, this is just it..

And if they get a "new" ending together, it will be rushed, poorly done and only to silence us by saying "Here, you have what you wanted, bot be quiet and go buy the new releases..." or as the endgame says "BUY THE DLC, BUY THE DLC... BUY THE DLC..." <--- And that's indoctrination..

According to another post Bioware got most of everything right, and I agree with that person. There were flaws, glitches and a few plot hols ( I still can't get over Udina being in the Council), but all that we could come up with explications of our own and move on. In the overall the game hit close to the heart, it was touching and beautiful, only to be twisted in the last moment into a travesty of a story...

I am still waiting for an Official statement and I will wait for as long as it takes. But until I have a formal apology for letting the fans down and a garantee that it will never happen again (though it already did in DA2), I am not buying anything from either developer or publisher...

This is the line I will hold..

And I am still holding the line..

Udina being Councilor is actually explained in one of the novels, Anderson resigns in disgust.

[SkaldFish]

The_Canadian_Dragon wrote...

<snip/>

On an odd note, Garrus and Javik were with me in the end (I sensed a sacrifice coming and was hoping Javik would be a substitute, and I wanted my LI with me just in case for a last tearful goodbye), yet on the planet later it was actually Garrus and James that walked out of the Normandy. Most people seem to get the two people who were with them in the end run.

Would be interesting to see what the logic is that determines who shows up on the planet. Just when I think I understand it, I hear something like this.

Guess it doesn't matter, b/c something about it is (excuse the technical term) "whacked."

[FsDxRAGE_v2]

Not sure if posted

[MeldarthX]

Xyalon wrote...

Cro730 wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

Cro730 wrote...

First post.
Created account just to express feelings on the ending of mass effect 3.
I was very disapointed.
All I wanted was to have a happy ending with Tali.
I love you Tali.
That is all.

same here
Tali: I want more time
yea so did i tali, so did i.......

and more time is the only thing i can hope for with a new ending.
for you as well as all other Tali lovers  
certainly not the best ending I would want (obviously I would want to live and be with her), But moving nonetheless

Making me cry again, shame on you.

When she said "You're real. Real...and mine" I don't know if i could have said anything to that.

WOW I didn't romance Tali on this shepard but that's awesome.  I could delt with something like that.

or this.....Liara

[Sl4sh3r]

Xelv88 wrote...

Hello ME community,

Before I begin, I’m sorry this post turned out longer than I intended.  Please feel free to skip it if you don’t want to read it, I won’t hold it against you.

Like many of you, I’ve been reading these posts since early in the movement, sympathizing and finding some comfort in similar experiences.  Also like many others, this will be my first post on these forums.  I wasn’t originally going to bother re-posting sentiments others had expressed better than I could, but I’d like to take a moment to stress an angle that seems to not be as common concerning the issue at hand.

First, as some brief background context, I am not exactly a supporter of the “video game player entitlement” movement.  When the “day one DLC” rage spilled onto the internet, I was one of the people who lined up against it.  It’s Bioware’s game, they can decide what’s core and what’s peripheral, even if you disagree.  To extrapolate this more generally, I do indeed believe in an artist’s right to make his art whatever he wants.  An author can kill off a character I loved in an epic novel series – I’ll be upset and probably disagree that it was the best thing for the book, but that’s the author’s vision.  George Lucas wants to weaken Darth Vader’s character in his latest round of movie refinement?  Hey, I think it’s ridiculous, but it’s his creation to ruin.  Bioware wanted to make their second installment in a great series (DA) more of a personal focus that inherently requires too much content recycling?  Clearly they don’t understand what their fans want, but hey, they are entitled to make their game the way they want to.

For all those examples, it’s OK in my mind because there’s a pretty big separation from the creators of art/entertainment and the partakers.  As a video game player, I’m inherently on the outside – I’m invited to experience the end result, think of it what I will, and move one.

Mass Effect was different.  And not only because unlike the other examples I truly felt invited into the experience as opposed to simply being on the outside looking in.  No, the troubling situation of this game’s ending goes beyond the rich universe and the compelling characters that drew me in.  It goes beyond how they allowed us to make the series our own with decisions big and small, only to have so much choice removed at the end.

What really makes this whole situation a betrayal is the fact that they knew us.  Bioware not only listened to the community its masterpiece had formed, but they actively listened to its feedback and incorporated it into the game. 

Did I need to hear three “calibrations” jokes in the first 10 minutes of having Garrus onboard the Normandy?  No more than I needed a bro-tastic excursion with everyone’s favorite sharpshooter that prominently featured one of the community’s favorite memes, but you damned well better believe I loved it.  We didn’t need the community’s fantasy EDI/Joker romance to be brought to life in an almost too-cliché, yet oh-so-amusing, way; nor did we need a Conrad cameo making light of one of Bioware’s more perplexing bugs from ME2.  None of this was necessary.  But they knew we would smile, so they put it in.

But it’s more than just fan pandering that showed me how well Bioware understood me.  My favorite example is my Shepard’s conclusion of the Geth/Quarian conflict.  They knew my Shepard would want to save the Geth and the Quarians both.  They knew I’d let Legion do his upload.  They knew my heart would race as the upload ticked up, with Tali’s desperate pleas making me doubt if I was going to be able to fix it all in the end after all.  They knew I’d smile with pride as my Shepard shouted down centuries of hatred with pure Paragon conviction, saving the day at the last minute.  And they knew my heart strings would be pulled with Legion’s final “Keelah se’lai”.  Bioware played me like a fiddle, because they knew me.

And it wasn’t just that one instance; it was every damn part of this near-perfect game.  Looking back it’s almost painful to see how perfectly the writers nailed it every step of the way.  And in that last, brilliantly crafted forward operations base area, as every conversation created a lasting memory, I defy you to tell me that Bioware didn’t understand what its community, what I wanted out of this game.

That is why the ending they gave us constitutes more than just something for overly-entitled fans to whine about.  Hell, I’ll be honest, I even kind of like the “indoctrination theory” take on the ending, it makes for a decently thought-provoking and subtle-ish end to a sci-fi epic.  That is entirely beside the point.  You cannot know your fans as well as the rest of the game proves and not know the ending we wanted.  Bioware, you cared about us enough to make the whole game a perfect walk between pure fan-service and a wonderful manifestation of your own artistic vision.  You cared, damn it – we can tell.  And then at the last minute, you stopped caring and decided to give us something you clearly really liked, but that you knew we wouldn’t.  You knew many of us wanted to choose hope, fulfilling victory at great cost, and a self-determined future for this beloved universe you let us craft with you.  And you just didn’t care.  That's why this happens to hurt the community, and fans like myself, more than you might expect.

You see, Bioware, it’s not the ending itself that makes this such a big deal for us.  It’s that you clearly knew the kind of ending we would want, knew how much it meant to us, and you decided to deny it.  It’s that simple.

And if any Bioware employee should actually read this, please know this:

I will not forget how close you let me come to having a truly memorable video game experience years in the making, only to stop caring about your fans at the final moment.

And I WILL hold the line.

Just wanted to let you know that I read your entire post.

I couldn't have said it better.

Hopefully Bioware reads your post and they take it to heart. We need a better ending..

Hold the line.

[TheSpaceLion]

There should at least have been one "happy" ending. I'm sure some people prefer these sad endings. But i'm guessing in the end most people realy just want a good ending and feel good when finishing a story. The real world is bad enough as it is ^^

So like i said, sure an ending like the one (yes one, the difference between the other ones is minimal, at best) is great to have in it. But at least one happy ending would be nice. For something that has been spread between 3 games over all those years, to get just the one "sad" ending is well.... sad.

[Generic Name]

Well someone has to be the Pvt. Hudson here. I guess it'll be me.

That's it man, game over man, game over!

What's this line you speak of?

Game over!

[People4Peace]

Alamandorious wrote...

Ok guys, please stop with the massive images constantly being reposted...that could get the thread shut down.

Honestly? Best to link to them.

This. We don't want to give them a reason to shut us down.

[Major Swift]

Xyalon wrote...

Cro730 wrote...

Xyalon wrote...

Cro730 wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

Cro730 wrote...

First post.
Created account just to express feelings on the ending of mass effect 3.
I was very disapointed.
All I wanted was to have a happy ending with Tali.
I love you Tali.
That is all.

same here
Tali: I want more time
yea so did i tali, so did i.......

and more time is the only thing i can hope for with a new ending.
for you as well as all other Tali lovers  
certainly not the best ending I would want (obviously I would want to live and be with her), But moving nonetheless

Making me cry again, shame on you.

When she said "You're real. Real...and mine" I don't know if i could have said anything to that.

I was trying to hold the tears but the last minute... was too much

Then I can assum that you were as outraged as I was that you saw Liara as a flashback instead of Tali? No offence to Liara, she's nice enough, but my heart was set on Tali from when I first met her.

that was the final nail in the coffin for me, i figured id see her in the flashback at least, thought it might be a bug, found out it wasnt then went from mad to sad, and yea same here with tali, ever since ME 1

[TamiBx]

Shadow-Novus wrote...

For the love of god please don't bring MLP into this. Has all this not become hell enough? x_x

haha, I was wondering when someone was going to bring MLP into this...and make the situation even worse...<_<

[KaiserinKai]

Alamandorious wrote...

Annaleah wrote...

FinalEndeavor wrote...

silencemayday wrote...

 and with this fubar piece of work the svv sae/austria/graffiti signs off. 
**** vectors. **** illustrator. but hail to marauder shields. 
*snip*

i love you

Ok I really feel dense but I think I missed how the Marauder shields joke came to be... I don't quite get it. Can anyone explain it to me?

That last Marauder you fight before the beam of light?  That's him; the unsung hero...Marauder Shields.  He tries to stop you from seeing the horrible, horrible ending.

[Hydralysk]

Ramshakkle wrote...

CitizenSnips28 wrote...

Also I'm a bit confused about the marauder shield thing. Anyone willing to explain it to a newbie to the line?

The last Marauder you fight before entering the beam, thus the last enemy in the game. With the way the name bar looks, it's fairly easy to read it as Marauder as a first name, Shields as a last name. And he tried to protect you from the endings, and we should all honor his sacrifice. (His, and the Three Huskateers)

I'll never forget those Huskateers, they actually killed me when I thought it was a dream sequence. If only I'd exited the game at that point....

[laughing sherpa girl]

KaiserinKai wrote...

Ampmaster wrote...

Alamandorious wrote...

Ampmaster wrote...

Hey all, just a suggestion but let's stop posting/following/finding/sharing links to the haters. The gaming "journalist" articles especially. All it's gonna do it get us riled up and hitting them with some hate. Not to mention it gives them views/hits. Let's not give them money, they aren't saying anything we haven't heard any way.

No, I disagree; we need to see this as well.  It's actually funny to see how little thought these people have

I just don't like giving the haterz money, though I see both your points and find them rather amusing as well.

Also someone suggested to me in a PM that perhaps bronies would be able to tell us what the hell happened with the ending given their high level of exposure to "magic" (LSD is my theory... but whatever boats your float) but  a little research confirms that even magical sparkle ponies are left confused and distraught by the space magic ™ of ME3's ending




:innocent:

Yea, not to mention I like MLP... What I'm a girl and the stories and characters are great. Also unlike ME 3, the endings don't suck and actually make sense in the universe they are part of~

Heck I ever created my own custom one with a tool, her name is Brainy Blush


Isn't she pretty

::: Shes very adorable.. ..

[illvm]

NovemEnuma wrote...

The price...of surviving/defeating once and for all an extinction cycle that been happening for millions of years; a bittersweet ending.

If the ending is accepted canon, no one survived the extinction cycle other than the Normandy crew. Everyone on that was on or anywhere near Earth would have died either instantly (if the mass relay wiped out the solar system like it did in ME2 Arrival) or very slowly due to a lack of resources and the inability to collect more resources since the main means of transportation in the galaxy has now been destroyed. Considering the closest life supporting planet to Earth is over 4 light years away it is highly unlikely that any ship in the battle against the reapers would have had the resources to make such a voyage. An exception being the quarian's. However, I highly doubt the migrant fleet has enough food to feed the other races to make the trip to another planet and even if they did, I don't think they would be sharing.

So in the end, regardless of your actions over the course of 3 games, everyone dies. What a great ending.

[CitizenSnips28]

Aha thanks Dudemanly. Makes sense now. You know.... I never took the time to consider his and others' heroic if futile sacrifice to keep us from seeing that ending abomination. I shall hold a moment of silence now.

[lodgik]

Ramshakkle wrote...

CitizenSnips28 wrote...

Also I'm a bit confused about the marauder shield thing. Anyone willing to explain it to a newbie to the line?

The last Marauder you fight before entering the beam, thus the last enemy in the game. With the way the name bar looks, it's fairly easy to read it as Marauder as a first name, Shields as a last name. And he tried to protect you from the endings, and we should all honor his sacrifice. (His, and the Three Huskateers)

LOL the three Huskateers I see what you id there

[TamiBx]

People4Peace wrote...

Alamandorious wrote...

Ok guys, please stop with the massive images constantly being reposted...that could get the thread shut down.

Honestly? Best to link to them.

This. We don't want to give them a reason to shut us down.

Agree. Just link them. We don't want this thread to shut down. 

[Xyalon]

Cro730 wrote...

Xyalon wrote...
Then I can assum that you were as outraged as I was that you saw Liara as a flashback instead of Tali? No offence to Liara, she's nice enough, but my heart was set on Tali from when I first met her.

I just figured the flashback was a general one for your crewmates. I was at least somewhat happy to see that Tali survived the reaper beam (cause i brought her on the final push) and landed on the random planet. At least shes alive. Now my shepard needs to get up from the rubble and find her

Hell, that's the only reason my Shepard chose destroy. He knew he was killing the Geth he helped free and ascend to true sapience. He knew he was killing EDI and Jokers love. He knew that the Quarians would have it rough without the Geth to help repopulate, but damed if he was losing Tali.

That's the only reason he's still breathing; and how much food which she can actually eat does she have left? It doesn't bear thinking about....

And the flashback is about your LI from ME1. When Liara told me in LotSB that she always knew Tali had a thing for me but wanted me for herself, well. I never forgave her.

[DifferentD17]

Esker02 wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

You guys never know if that scene was meant only for people that didn't have enough EMS. Maybe...

Hmm, EMS impacting whether or not somebody survives contact with a Reaper beam? Arbitrary and seemingly without any kind of logical connection... so yes, that's probably exactly right. Probably also why some people see 1 of their comrades they brought with them (generally their LI) and others see both?

There is no logical connection to why Shepard lives at the end. You could say if hammer or sword were strong enough they could stike Harbinger and make him miss.

[Annaleah]

TamiBx wrote...

Shadow-Novus wrote...

For the love of god please don't bring MLP into this. Has all this not become hell enough? x_x

haha, I was wondering when someone was going to bring MLP into this...and make the situation even worse...<_<

-beats head on desk-

[Alamandorious]

Again, just for the benefit of those who missed the initial request in the flood of posts, please do not keep reposting massive images; it could get the thread shut down.

We don't want that. Best to link the pictures.

[laughing sherpa girl]

Lets face it, we got a comic book ending.. nothing more.. it would have been perfect in a 2 bit comic book your gonna toss when you finish it.. But uhh,, this wasnt a comic was it??

[Ramshakkle]

Hydralysk wrote...

Ramshakkle wrote...

CitizenSnips28 wrote...

Also I'm a bit confused about the marauder shield thing. Anyone willing to explain it to a newbie to the line?

The last Marauder you fight before entering the beam, thus the last enemy in the game. With the way the name bar looks, it's fairly easy to read it as Marauder as a first name, Shields as a last name. And he tried to protect you from the endings, and we should all honor his sacrifice. (His, and the Three Huskateers)

I'll never forget those Huskateers, they actually killed me when I thought it was a dream sequence. If only I'd exited the game at that point....

Wish it were a dream sequence. Not sedated, thus by Inception rules, death gets us out of the dream. But I guess I've gotta ask, how does dying in an indoctrination attempt work? Am confused.

[Cybermortis]

SSV Mortis retiring for some R&R. No formal contact with Japanese reinforcements logged at this time. Recommend additional units dispatched to cover Eastern Flank during absence.

Hold the line people, hold the line.