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[Trunks Bordare]

Xyalon wrote...

Oh, and for those who missed it earlier, and just to lighten the mood, I had a little fun with @masseffect twitterbot.

Here

omg too funny

[Roll Equals Cute]

Xelv88 wrote...

Hello ME community,

Before I begin, I’m sorry this post turned out longer than I intended.  Please feel free to skip it if you don’t want to read it, I won’t hold it against you.

Like many of you, I’ve been reading these posts since early in the movement, sympathizing and finding some comfort in similar experiences.  Also like many others, this will be my first post on these forums.  I wasn’t originally going to bother re-posting sentiments others had expressed better than I could, but I’d like to take a moment to stress an angle that seems to not be as common concerning the issue at hand.

First, as some brief background context, I am not exactly a supporter of the “video game player entitlement” movement.  When the “day one DLC” rage spilled onto the internet, I was one of the people who lined up against it.  It’s Bioware’s game, they can decide what’s core and what’s peripheral, even if you disagree.  To extrapolate this more generally, I do indeed believe in an artist’s right to make his art whatever he wants.  An author can kill off a character I loved in an epic novel series – I’ll be upset and probably disagree that it was the best thing for the book, but that’s the author’s vision.  George Lucas wants to weaken Darth Vader’s character in his latest round of movie refinement?  Hey, I think it’s ridiculous, but it’s his creation to ruin.  Bioware wanted to make their second installment in a great series (DA) more of a personal focus that inherently requires too much content recycling?  Clearly they don’t understand what their fans want, but hey, they are entitled to make their game the way they want to.

For all those examples, it’s OK in my mind because there’s a pretty big separation from the creators of art/entertainment and the partakers.  As a video game player, I’m inherently on the outside – I’m invited to experience the end result, think of it what I will, and move one.

Mass Effect was different.  And not only because unlike the other examples I truly felt invited into the experience as opposed to simply being on the outside looking in.  No, the troubling situation of this game’s ending goes beyond the rich universe and the compelling characters that drew me in.  It goes beyond how they allowed us to make the series our own with decisions big and small, only to have so much choice removed at the end.

What really makes this whole situation a betrayal is the fact that they knew us.  Bioware not only listened to the community its masterpiece had formed, but they actively listened to its feedback and incorporated it into the game. 

Did I need to hear three “calibrations” jokes in the first 10 minutes of having Garrus onboard the Normandy?  No more than I needed a bro-tastic excursion with everyone’s favorite sharpshooter that prominently featured one of the community’s favorite memes, but you damned well better believe I loved it.  We didn’t need the community’s fantasy EDI/Joker romance to be brought to life in an almost too-cliché, yet oh-so-amusing, way; nor did we need a Conrad cameo making light of one of Bioware’s more perplexing bugs from ME2.  None of this was necessary.  But they knew we would smile, so they put it in.

But it’s more than just fan pandering that showed me how well Bioware understood me.  My favorite example is my Shepard’s conclusion of the Geth/Quarian conflict.  They knew my Shepard would want to save the Geth and the Quarians both.  They knew I’d let Legion do his upload.  They knew my heart would race as the upload ticked up, with Tali’s desperate pleas making me doubt if I was going to be able to fix it all in the end after all.  They knew I’d smile with pride as my Shepard shouted down centuries of hatred with pure Paragon conviction, saving the day at the last minute.  And they knew my heart strings would be pulled with Legion’s final “Keelah se’lai”.  Bioware played me like a fiddle, because they knew me.

And it wasn’t just that one instance; it was every damn part of this near-perfect game.  Looking back it’s almost painful to see how perfectly the writers nailed it every step of the way.  And in that last, brilliantly crafted forward operations base area, as every conversation created a lasting memory, I defy you to tell me that Bioware didn’t understand what its community, what I wanted out of this game.

That is why the ending they gave us constitutes more than just something for overly-entitled fans to whine about.  Hell, I’ll be honest, I even kind of like the “indoctrination theory” take on the ending, it makes for a decently thought-provoking and subtle-ish end to a sci-fi epic.  That is entirely beside the point.  You cannot know your fans as well as the rest of the game proves and not know the ending we wanted.  Bioware, you cared about us enough to make the whole game a perfect walk between pure fan-service and a wonderful manifestation of your own artistic vision.  You cared, damn it – we can tell.  And then at the last minute, you stopped caring and decided to give us something you clearly really liked, but that you knew we wouldn’t.  You knew many of us wanted to choose hope, fulfilling victory at great cost, and a self-determined future for this beloved universe you let us craft with you.  And you just didn’t care.  That's why this happens to hurt the community, and fans like myself, more than you might expect.

You see, Bioware, it’s not the ending itself that makes this such a big deal for us.  It’s that you clearly knew the kind of ending we would want, knew how much it meant to us, and you decided to deny it.  It’s that simple.

And if any Bioware employee should actually read this, please know this:

I will not forget how close you let me come to having a truly memorable video game experience years in the making, only to stop caring about your fans at the final moment.

And I WILL hold the line.

Quoting for truth, this should be stickied or something on every page. It embodies the very essence of what we as a community have felt, and is not only truthful, but touching.

It's an honor to share the same race with one such as you, Xelv88.

[SilverOnemi]

lol, to all of you leaving. do you really think bioware could have just rolled out another ending in such little time.

keep up the pressure, they deserve to be punished for what they did to the mass effect series.

[Darkwingduck]

Did someone say MLP?

[Stephanid98]

People4Peace wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

People4Peace wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

Cro730 wrote...

First post.
Created account just to express feelings on the ending of mass effect 3.
I was very disapointed.
All I wanted was to have a happy ending with Tali.
I love you Tali.
That is all.

A lot of people just want an ending with some closure at least.

Lets' keep fighting for buidling a home on the homeworld!
For the Blue Babies!
To give Garrus some peace.

And Turian, Human and/or Krogan adopted babies......

Last night my fiancee and I were thinking how cute baby Krogans would be, and how they would interact with others. so much baby headbutting.

It would be so sweet. <3 Plus that Krogan would grow up to be such a badass! Her/His parents are Shep and Garrus AND his/her biological parents are Wrex and Eve. That Krogan will accomplish great things!!!

very nice, thank you for sharing.  Welcome.

[DifferentD17]

LittleDeadGirl wrote...

So, quick question, what are people hoping to get anymore? Are there still people that believe some surprise ending, the "real ending", is still coming or do you guys just want a dlc at some point with an ending worthy of the game once the developers realize how ****ty the ending truly is? Just wondering, I've kind of lost faith that the ending we got isn't the real ending. Anyone still holding hope?

Nothing is set in stone they haven't said there wasn't going to be another ending, and even if it was we still might be able to influence them to change it. Don't loose hope.
Hold the Line.

[People4Peace]

KaiserinKai wrote...

cotheer wrote...

Just a quick question:

Am i supposed to, at some point, meet with Thane during my playthrough?
I'm asking, because, so far i haven't found him anywhere, and i've already finished the Thessia mission ?_?

The hospital. But wait, isn't this after the Citadel getting attacked by Cerburus, shouldn't Thane be....

You missed him. He disappears after the Citadel coup if you didn't talk to him.

[laughing sherpa girl]

Kezza wrote...

Annaleah wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

Shadow-Novus wrote...

For the love of god please don't bring MLP into this. Has all this not become hell enough? x_x

haha, I was wondering when someone was going to bring MLP into this...and make the situation even worse...<_<

-beats head on desk-

MLP?

My Little pony

[XenoAlbedo]

Darkwingduck wrote...



Did someone say MLP?

Keep that cancer out of Mass Effect please.

[Crossleft]

Cro730 wrote...

Xyalon wrote...

Cro730 wrote...

Xyalon wrote...
Then I can assum that you were as outraged as I was that you saw Liara as a flashback instead of Tali? No offence to Liara, she's nice enough, but my heart was set on Tali from when I first met her.

I just figured the flashback was a general one for your crewmates. I was at least somewhat happy to see that Tali survived the reaper beam (cause i brought her on the final push) and landed on the random planet. At least shes alive. Now my shepard needs to get up from the rubble and find her

Hell, that's the only reason my Shepard chose destroy. He knew he was killing the Geth he helped free and ascend to true sapience. He knew he was killing EDI and Jokers love. He knew that the Quarians would have it rough without the Geth to help repopulate, but damed if he was losing Tali.

That's the only reason he's still breathing; and how much food which she can actually eat does she have left? It doesn't bear thinking about....

And the flashback is about your LI from ME1. When Liara told me in LotSB that she always knew Tali had a thing for me but wanted me for herself, well. I never forgave her.

That's why i chose destroy as well. Tali is mine and no reaper or god-child is going to take that.
Interesting point about the flashback being your LI from mass effect 1... I didnt import my ME1 to ME2 so technically i didn't have a LI. I picked tali in ME2 though.

no I romanced Ash in ME1 and then Tali for 2 and 3 but still had Liara starin me down at the end for whatever reason

[sumo390]

It all makes sense, space magic and luna. fuuuu

[CasbynessPC]

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Sad but true.

[Cro730]

Hydralysk wrote...

Cro730 wrote...

Xyalon wrote...
Then I can assum that you were as outraged as I was that you saw Liara as a flashback instead of Tali? No offence to Liara, she's nice enough, but my heart was set on Tali from when I first met her.

I just figured the flashback was a general one for your crewmates. I was at least somewhat happy to see that Tali survived the reaper beam (cause i brought her on the final push) and landed on the random planet. At least shes alive. Now my shepard needs to get up from the rubble and find her

Hate to burst your bubble but assuming it's a planet without dextro protein food she'll starve to death pretty quick. And I'm guessing those suits aren't meant for long term protection with no replacement parts, so death by infection is the other option if she doesn't starve (in which case all non-turian/quarian crew will starve in their place).

The normandy surely has some food supplies, theyve been in space for long periods before so they will be good for a little while. Enough time for me to recover from my injuries and save her after i find her!

[sumo390]

Darkwingduck wrote...



Did someone say MLP?

Still a better ending

[Esker02]

DifferentD17 wrote...

Esker02 wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

You guys never know if that scene was meant only for people that didn't have enough EMS. Maybe...

Hmm, EMS impacting whether or not somebody survives contact with a Reaper beam? Arbitrary and seemingly without any kind of logical connection... so yes, that's probably exactly right. Probably also why some people see 1 of their comrades they brought with them (generally their LI) and others see both?

There is no logical connection to why Shepard lives at the end. You could say if hammer or sword were strong enough they could stike Harbinger and make him miss.

Sorry if I came off as being sarcastic or abrasive (I was, but not to you, more at the story). I was actually agreeing with you, precisely because there's also no logical reason why EMS impacts Shepard living.

[Hydralysk]

LittleDeadGirl wrote...

So, quick question, what are people hoping to get anymore? Are there still people that believe some surprise ending, the "real ending", is still coming or do you guys just want a dlc at some point with an ending worthy of the game once the developers realize how ****ty the ending truly is? Just wondering, I've kind of lost faith that the ending we got isn't the real ending. Anyone still holding hope?

I never believed that was the case, PR nightmare waiting to happen, and say what you will about the ending but Bioware's PR department isn't stupid. I want them to give us a better ending regardless of whether they had one up their sleeve all along. I'll hold the line until they tell me that there will be no ending DLC and that I should suck it up.

Modifié par Hydralysk, 16 mars 2012 - 02:00 .

[LittleDeadGirl]

The name's Rowsdower, Zap Rowsdower.

So ... is that a stupid name  oorrrrr?

[DifferentD17]

People4Peace wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

People4Peace wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

Cro730 wrote...

First post.
Created account just to express feelings on the ending of mass effect 3.
I was very disapointed.
All I wanted was to have a happy ending with Tali.
I love you Tali.
That is all.

A lot of people just want an ending with some closure at least.

Lets' keep fighting for buidling a home on the homeworld!
For the Blue Babies!
To give Garrus some peace.

And Turian, Human and/or Krogan adopted babies......

Last night my fiancee and I were thinking how cute baby Krogans would be, and how they would interact with others. so much baby headbutting.

It would be so sweet. <3 Plus that Krogan would grow up to be such a badass! Her/His parents are Shep and Garrus AND his/her biological parents are Wrex and Eve. That Krogan will accomplish great things!!!

That's what I wanted to see Galaxy unification no one hating each other just peace...

[Xyalon]

Hydralysk wrote...

Cro730 wrote...

Xyalon wrote...
Then I can assum that you were as outraged as I was that you saw Liara as a flashback instead of Tali? No offence to Liara, she's nice enough, but my heart was set on Tali from when I first met her.

I just figured the flashback was a general one for your crewmates. I was at least somewhat happy to see that Tali survived the reaper beam (cause i brought her on the final push) and landed on the random planet. At least shes alive. Now my shepard needs to get up from the rubble and find her

Hate to burst your bubble but assuming it's a planet without dextro protein food she'll starve to death pretty quick. And I'm guessing those suits aren't meant for long term protection with no replacement parts, so death by infection is the other option if she doesn't starve (in which case all non-turian/quarian crew will starve in their place).

Not to sound callous at all, but that latter option really doesn't bother me. I just wiped out all synthetic life in the galaxy and destroyed fast intragalactic travel for good. I don't particularly care if a few more die as long as I get to be with Tali at the end.

[SkaldFish]

cotheer wrote...

Just a quick question:

Am i supposed to, at some point, meet with Thane during my playthrough?
I'm asking, because, so far i haven't found him anywhere, and i've already finished the Thessia mission ?_?

Such a fast thread someone's probably already answered this, but you should have gotten an email from him pretty early on asking you to meet him at the hospital on the Citadel. If you wait too long, you lose the opportunity.

[LadyMarisa]

LittleDeadGirl wrote...

So, quick question, what are people hoping to get anymore? Are there still people that believe some surprise ending, the "real ending", is still coming or do you guys just want a dlc at some point with an ending worthy of the game once the developers realize how ****ty the ending truly is? Just wondering, I've kind of lost faith that the ending we got isn't the real ending. Anyone still holding hope?

Personally, there's a part of me that wants a *happy* ending where my LI and I retire etc. But that's because I love happy endings and the romances in these games really grab me.

I can live without a *happy* ending though. What I *need* is a fitting, explanatory / revealing / closure ending that truly reflects the choices I made *without* having to min/max war assets to get it. One that's not full of ridiculous plot holes like: " In Mass Effect 3′s ending, the Mass Relays are destroyed in explosions
so massive that they’re depicted as being visible from a perspective
that resembles the Normandy’s Galaxy Map. Which means that Shepard has
probably killed more life forms than the Reapers could on their best
cycle."

I truly believe that the choices I made during the game should have resulted in a satisfying ending. Even if Shepard dies, an ending that shows my sacrifices through all 3 games were worth it would satisfy me.

[Alamandorious]

Xyalon wrote...

LittleDeadGirl wrote...

So, quick question, what are people hoping to get anymore? Are there still people that believe some surprise ending, the "real ending", is still coming or do you guys just want a dlc at some point with an ending worthy of the game once the developers realize how ****ty the ending truly is? Just wondering, I've kind of lost faith that the ending we got isn't the real ending. Anyone still holding hope?

It's pretty much the only thing I actually have any hope for in my life. Sad but true.

Don't give up.  As long as we all stand together, we will be heard.

[Generic Name]

Hydralysk wrote...

LittleDeadGirl wrote...

So, quick question, what are people hoping to get anymore? Are there still people that believe some surprise ending, the "real ending", is still coming or do you guys just want a dlc at some point with an ending worthy of the game once the developers realize how ****ty the ending truly is? Just wondering, I've kind of lost faith that the ending we got isn't the real ending. Anyone still holding hope?

I never believed that was the case, PR nightmare waiting to happen, and say what you will about the ending but Bioware's PR department isn't stupid. I'll hold the line until they tell me that there will be no ending DLC and that I should suck it up.

Same here. Then I throw my money at Blizzard <_<.

[Xyalon]

Computim wrote...

Anyone remember that rogue AI from the first Mass Effect? The one that you let go? Shame on you.. shame on you all, you unleashed Citadel Kid > (okay I did too hahahah)

Which one is that? If it's the terminal I didn't think there was an option to let it go as it always tried to blow me up....

[Mavaras]

LittleDeadGirl wrote...

The name's Rowsdower, Zap Rowsdower.

So ... is that a stupid name  oorrrrr?

Can I drink you?