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[RussianOrc]

SkaldFish wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...

So, no more press atention??
i think we're becoming old news.....=/

Three great posts on Forbes today (well, today where I am anyway...):
http://www.forbes.co...ible-consumers/
http://www.forbes.co...-mass-effect-3/
www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/15/paragons-of-protest-retake-mass-effect-raises-money-for-kids/

I hope they keep the pressure

[Vandriel]

Computim wrote...

Anyone remember that rogue AI from the first Mass Effect? The one that you let go? Shame on you.. shame on you all, you unleashed Citadel Kid > (okay I did too hahahah)

You actually find out on the Cerberus base if you go to one of the terminals that the rogue AI on Luna base was actually EDI.

[TJWWE2007]

I just wish Bioware would say If they were going to fix it or not. Just a simple answer. The anticipation and anxiety of not knowing is the worst part...

[TamiBx]

[quote]Nharia1 wrote...

[quote]TamiBx wrote...

[quote]Hydralysk wrote...


And that's when Bioware will lose most of its loyal fanbase (people like me..I mean, I don't think I'll be able to play any other ME related games and DA...well...unless it has Alistair, I'm not playing:P)

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I have to argee with you on the Alistair bit, won't play any other DA games unless he's in it... As for the ME series, I'm on the fence about them right now... I won't make a decision until we get some offcial word... which could be any day now, or  weeks from now....

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I mean, I don't think I'll be able to play it because I will always remember ME3 and its ending...maybe if they come out with another game that is not related to ME at all, then yeah, I might consider it depending on what it is. 

[Cro730]

Hydralysk wrote...

Cro730 wrote...

Hydralysk wrote...

Cro730 wrote...

Xyalon wrote...
Then I can assum that you were as outraged as I was that you saw Liara as a flashback instead of Tali? No offence to Liara, she's nice enough, but my heart was set on Tali from when I first met her.

I just figured the flashback was a general one for your crewmates. I was at least somewhat happy to see that Tali survived the reaper beam (cause i brought her on the final push) and landed on the random planet. At least shes alive. Now my shepard needs to get up from the rubble and find her

Hate to burst your bubble but assuming it's a planet without dextro protein food she'll starve to death pretty quick. And I'm guessing those suits aren't meant for long term protection with no replacement parts, so death by infection is the other option if she doesn't starve (in which case all non-turian/quarian crew will starve in their place).

The normandy surely has some food supplies, theyve been in space for long periods before so they will be good for a little while. Enough time for me to recover from my injuries and save her after i find her!

Without mass relays? On a random uninhabited planet? And lets not forget the Normandy and the rest of the fleet wouldn't of had any major supplies with them for the big fight, it was a make it or break it assault they signed on for, not a siege.

EDIT: and now I feel like a d*ck....

Shepard will find a way. He always does.
Especially for Tali

Modifié par Cro730, 16 mars 2012 - 02:13 .

[illutian]

/salute

Peace out, bbl!

[Spitfiremk87]

I think they are waiting to see if this dies off. We have to show them that it will not die off.

[KaiserinKai]

People4Peace wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

People4Peace wrote...
WAIT?! It's not a bug? Wow...I...I thought it was.....I just DON'T understand that! <_< And I never will because I doubt they will explain that.

yea its not a bug, if you have a ME 2 LI such as tali it will be liara in the flashback, if you have any of the other ME 1 as LI  they are in the flashback(kaidan/ashley)

Liara is my canon Shep's ex-girlfriend and BFF so I was okay with that and I blew it off as a bug and figured they would fix it....but apparently not. I still can't believe it. They completely ignore your current LI. I would've rather seen Garrus especially considering their last discussion for god's sake. PLUS some people hate Liara and/or the VS so why force that upon players? So stupid. It just makes no sense.

Exactly,  had no LI for the first game and Garrus for both the second and third. So WTF did Liara and a human teammate show up in my final thoughts? Shouldn't I be thinking of my true love?

[spacefiddle]

People4Peace wrote...

Bravo Xelv88!!! Bravo!!!

Page 1373.  Long post.  Read it. 

Made the mistake of wandering back in here, but reading that, and how true it rings, and how likely stuck with this we all are.... i almost want to cry.  I expect within a week i'll be shutting down my swtor account, uninstalling Origin, and avoiding EA like the plague.

The End

Modifié par spacefiddle, 16 mars 2012 - 02:16 .

[Xyalon]

Computim wrote...

malra wrote...

FsDxRAGE_v2 wrote...

I wonder if BioWare realized they committed suicide with those endings.

I tend to think they really thought they were creating the first piece of "gaming art".  There are so many themes in that story, the problem is theme were created as a by product and I think that is the theme most of us ended up playing.  So they had no control of the story for a long time and didn't realize it.

LEAVE ME ALONE I'M MAKING ART *tosses more beer cans at the TV in rage from finishing Mass Effect 3*

Damien Hirst cut a sheep in half, stuck both halves in formaldehyde and glass tanks and had people walk through it. Tracey Emin brought in a bed with used codoms and tampons in which she had slept in for about 5 days straight. Both of these were hailed as triumphs and were deferentially referred to as "Art"

Do you see where I'm going with this....

[Cro730]

Xyalon wrote...

Cro730 wrote...

Xyalon wrote...

Not to sound callous at all, but that latter option really doesn't bother me. I just wiped out all synthetic life in the galaxy and destroyed fast intragalactic travel for good. I don't particularly care if a few more die as long as I get to be with Tali at the end.

10000% agree. Am I selfish or what (altough i would want the quarians to live cause thats Talis people of course)

We were selfish in our choice to destroy what we helped create - EDI, Jokers Romance, The Geth. We did that because we saw a chance of living with our love. If you had no love then why would you care. The love we felt was worth the burden we knew we would have to live with for the rest of our lives.

Anyway, I've always felt a connection with the Quarians....

Maybe if they release a new ending i can live in the flotilla with them. I know they love me, especially after i helped them.

[Trunks Bordare]

Spitfiremk87 wrote...

I think they are waiting to see if this dies off. We have to show them that it will not die off.

Despite what the "critics" (I use that term loosely) say, this isn't going away anytime soon.  We will hold the line! 

[Kain Aldric]

The Angry Texan here, reporting for duty and ready to hold the line!

I truly enjoyed the first two games as well as the third, but the ending took everything from me.  It took everything I ever did, told me it never mattered, the left me sitting in my chair, dumbfounded, for an hour.  I honestly thought I must have gotten a bad ending.  Turned out I got the "perfect" one.  

The ending made no sense, and felt like an insult to everyone who had been following this story since the beginning.


Stay strong everyone. Maybe they'll actually start listening to us.

[Xyalon]

LittleDeadGirl wrote...

Xyalon wrote...


<sheldon voice>
There, there. *pat*
</sheldon voice>

HOLD ME! 

I would if I could. Have this instead and know that you're not alone.

[The Big Palooka]

Xelv88 wrote...

Hello ME community,

Before I begin, I’m sorry this post turned out longer than I intended.  Please feel free to skip it if you don’t want to read it, I won’t hold it against you.

Like many of you, I’ve been reading these posts since early in the movement, sympathizing and finding some comfort in similar experiences.  Also like many others, this will be my first post on these forums.  I wasn’t originally going to bother re-posting sentiments others had expressed better than I could, but I’d like to take a moment to stress an angle that seems to not be as common concerning the issue at hand.

First, as some brief background context, I am not exactly a supporter of the “video game player entitlement” movement.  When the “day one DLC” rage spilled onto the internet, I was one of the people who lined up against it.  It’s Bioware’s game, they can decide what’s core and what’s peripheral, even if you disagree.  To extrapolate this more generally, I do indeed believe in an artist’s right to make his art whatever he wants.  An author can kill off a character I loved in an epic novel series – I’ll be upset and probably disagree that it was the best thing for the book, but that’s the author’s vision.  George Lucas wants to weaken Darth Vader’s character in his latest round of movie refinement?  Hey, I think it’s ridiculous, but it’s his creation to ruin.  Bioware wanted to make their second installment in a great series (DA) more of a personal focus that inherently requires too much content recycling?  Clearly they don’t understand what their fans want, but hey, they are entitled to make their game the way they want to.

For all those examples, it’s OK in my mind because there’s a pretty big separation from the creators of art/entertainment and the partakers.  As a video game player, I’m inherently on the outside – I’m invited to experience the end result, think of it what I will, and move one.

Mass Effect was different.  And not only because unlike the other examples I truly felt invited into the experience as opposed to simply being on the outside looking in.  No, the troubling situation of this game’s ending goes beyond the rich universe and the compelling characters that drew me in.  It goes beyond how they allowed us to make the series our own with decisions big and small, only to have so much choice removed at the end.

What really makes this whole situation a betrayal is the fact that they knew us.  Bioware not only listened to the community its masterpiece had formed, but they actively listened to its feedback and incorporated it into the game. 

Did I need to hear three “calibrations” jokes in the first 10 minutes of having Garrus onboard the Normandy?  No more than I needed a bro-tastic excursion with everyone’s favorite sharpshooter that prominently featured one of the community’s favorite memes, but you damned well better believe I loved it.  We didn’t need the community’s fantasy EDI/Joker romance to be brought to life in an almost too-cliché, yet oh-so-amusing, way; nor did we need a Conrad cameo making light of one of Bioware’s more perplexing bugs from ME2.  None of this was necessary.  But they knew we would smile, so they put it in.

But it’s more than just fan pandering that showed me how well Bioware understood me.  My favorite example is my Shepard’s conclusion of the Geth/Quarian conflict.  They knew my Shepard would want to save the Geth and the Quarians both.  They knew I’d let Legion do his upload.  They knew my heart would race as the upload ticked up, with Tali’s desperate pleas making me doubt if I was going to be able to fix it all in the end after all.  They knew I’d smile with pride as my Shepard shouted down centuries of hatred with pure Paragon conviction, saving the day at the last minute.  And they knew my heart strings would be pulled with Legion’s final “Keelah se’lai”.  Bioware played me like a fiddle, because they knew me.

And it wasn’t just that one instance; it was every damn part of this near-perfect game.  Looking back it’s almost painful to see how perfectly the writers nailed it every step of the way.  And in that last, brilliantly crafted forward operations base area, as every conversation created a lasting memory, I defy you to tell me that Bioware didn’t understand what its community, what I wanted out of this game.

That is why the ending they gave us constitutes more than just something for overly-entitled fans to whine about.  Hell, I’ll be honest, I even kind of like the “indoctrination theory” take on the ending, it makes for a decently thought-provoking and subtle-ish end to a sci-fi epic.  That is entirely beside the point.  You cannot know your fans as well as the rest of the game proves and not know the ending we wanted.  Bioware, you cared about us enough to make the whole game a perfect walk between pure fan-service and a wonderful manifestation of your own artistic vision.  You cared, damn it – we can tell.  And then at the last minute, you stopped caring and decided to give us something you clearly really liked, but that you knew we wouldn’t.  You knew many of us wanted to choose hope, fulfilling victory at great cost, and a self-determined future for this beloved universe you let us craft with you.  And you just didn’t care.  That's why this happens to hurt the community, and fans like myself, more than you might expect.

You see, Bioware, it’s not the ending itself that makes this such a big deal for us.  It’s that you clearly knew the kind of ending we would want, knew how much it meant to us, and you decided to deny it.  It’s that simple.

And if any Bioware employee should actually read this, please know this:

I will not forget how close you let me come to having a truly memorable video game experience years in the making, only to stop caring about your fans at the final moment.

And I WILL hold the line.

Quoting this again largely so more people will have a chance to see it, as the thread moves so fast.

So yeah.  Pretty much think you've stripped it down to the core of just exactly why this whole mess feels worse than the hundreds and thousands of crummy endings gaming companies have managed to produce.  This shouldn't have been able to happen.

[VonVerrikan]

I'm curious to know the actual percentage of fans who feel as we do. It's gotta be something like 75% of all ME3 players at this point.

[DifferentD17]

"I didn’t want the game to be forgettable, and even right down to the sort of polarizing reaction that the ends have had with people–debating what the endings mean and what’s going to happen next, and what situation are the characters left in. That to me is part of what’s exciting about this story. There has always been a little bit of mystery there and a little bit of interpretation, and it’s a story that people can talk about after the fact." ~Casey Hudson

I thought you said guys said it wouldn't leave us with more questions than answers!?

[Trunks Bordare]

Kain Aldric wrote...

The Angry Texan here, reporting for duty and ready to hold the line!

I truly enjoyed the first two games as well as the third, but the ending took everything from me.  It took everything I ever did, told me it never mattered, the left me sitting in my chair, dumbfounded, for an hour.  I honestly thought I must have gotten a bad ending.  Turned out I got the "perfect" one.  

The ending made no sense, and felt like an insult to everyone who had been following this story since the beginning.


Stay strong everyone. Maybe they'll actually start listening to us.

Welcome to the fleet (a.k.a. The BSN support group)

[Xyalon]

Cro730 wrote...

Xyalon wrote...

Cro730 wrote...

Xyalon wrote...

Not to sound callous at all, but that latter option really doesn't bother me. I just wiped out all synthetic life in the galaxy and destroyed fast intragalactic travel for good. I don't particularly care if a few more die as long as I get to be with Tali at the end.

10000% agree. Am I selfish or what (altough i would want the quarians to live cause thats Talis people of course)

We were selfish in our choice to destroy what we helped create - EDI, Jokers Romance, The Geth. We did that because we saw a chance of living with our love. If you had no love then why would you care. The love we felt was worth the burden we knew we would have to live with for the rest of our lives.

Anyway, I've always felt a connection with the Quarians....

Maybe if they release a new ending i can live in the flotilla with them. I know they love me, especially after i helped them.

Even Admiral Xen and I have a friendship of sorts. Pity Kal'Reegar wouldn't be there.

I was going to adopt a little Quarian war orphan with Tali.....ok, now I'm getting soppy.

[Menthro]

It's that time again folks! Let's stay civil, on topic, and don't attack people!

Hold the line!

[Aeyl]

Ok. So after reading the article, my ideas on the ending have become more concrete. I really think Bioware has more to this ending.

[Jswensva]

Just wanted to say good night and hold the line. I want so badly to start a playthrough of all three games, but won't (can't?) Until this ending is fixed/explained.

This is an inspiring group!

Hold. The. Line.

[zarnk567]

VonVerrikan wrote...

I'm curious to know the actual percentage of fans who feel as we do. It's gotta be something like 75% of all ME3 players at this point.

Well we might never know since a large majority of the fan base never actually votes in polls or visits the forum

[Pyewacket]

Xyalon wrote...

Computim wrote...

malra wrote...

FsDxRAGE_v2 wrote...

I wonder if BioWare realized they committed suicide with those endings.

I tend to think they really thought they were creating the first piece of "gaming art".  There are so many themes in that story, the problem is theme were created as a by product and I think that is the theme most of us ended up playing.  So they had no control of the story for a long time and didn't realize it.

LEAVE ME ALONE I'M MAKING ART *tosses more beer cans at the TV in rage from finishing Mass Effect 3*

Damien Hirst cut a sheep in half, stuck both halves in formaldehyde and glass tanks and had people walk through it. Tracey Emin brought in a bed with used codoms and tampons in which she had slept in for about 5 days straight. Both of these were hailed as triumphs and were deferentially referred to as "Art"

Do you see where I'm going with this....

And yet, the mental images you've given me are STILL better than the ending to ME3.

[Jetfire99]

Computim wrote...

Anyone remember that rogue AI from the first Mass Effect? The one that you let go? Shame on you.. shame on you all, you unleashed Citadel Kid > (okay I did too hahahah)

Umm I think that was EDI D: