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[Chatboy 91]

Koobarex wrote...


If you haven't yet heard about Marauder Shields, go to: http://social.biowar...index/9980598/1

And to lift our spirits a bit, and help to hold the line, here's... My first comic about Marauder.

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Full version: http://i40.tinypic.com/34eouuu.jpg

Hold the line! And never forget the truest of the true, the marauderest of the all final bosses! 

 

THIS. IS. AWESOME. 

[Nharia1]

Luiginius wrote...

Hmm. looks like people who tweet to ms Merizan are starting to complete the game en masse.
Less happiness more sadness.

Everyone's been emotionally invested since they made their Shepard back in ME1.... what do you expect with a crap ending? Of course there'd be more saddness than happiness....

[KaiserinKai]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

Xyalon wrote...

AAAAAJKKRRRRYZZ wrote...

Turtlicious wrote...

I want to marry Tali, and have weird freakish children.

Just a question if anyone here is a molecular biologist.  I was always pretty good at bio, but this is way above me.  With different DNA would it even be possible to have children with Tali?  I have always kind of wondered about that.

I studied Human Genetics, so I think it's close enough.

No, it wouldn't be possible. The species might be cose enough to produce an offspring but that would be sterile, like the offspring of a Horse and a Donkey. Given the different protein structure of their bodies and basic chemistry, it is unlikely that fertilisation could even take place.

Although presuming they had the technology (which wouldn't surprise me) you could probably create a dextro copy of Shepard's DNA, subject it to a process similar to meiosis, and fertilize Tali with it if the species are close enough. Same Re: Garrus and levo-DNA.

Turian-Human babies, WANT

[Sywen]

People4Peace wrote...

Koobarex wrote...


If you haven't yet heard about Marauder Shields, go to: http://social.biowar...index/9980598/1

And to lift our spirits a bit, and help to hold the line, here's... My first comic about Marauder.



Full version: http://i40.tinypic.com/34eouuu.jpg

Hold the line! And never forget the truest of the true, the marauderest of the all final bosses! 

 

LOL Yes!!! I love the internet.

I love it too!

[Xyalon]

Ampmaster wrote...

Xyalon wrote...

AAAAAJKKRRRRYZZ wrote...

Turtlicious wrote...

I want to marry Tali, and have weird freakish children.

Just a question if anyone here is a molecular biologist.  I was always pretty good at bio, but this is way above me.  With different DNA would it even be possible to have children with Tali?  I have always kind of wondered about that.

I studied Human Genetics, so I think it's close enough.

No, it wouldn't be possible. The species might be cose enough to produce an offspring but that would be sterile, like the offspring of a Horse and a Donkey. Given the different protein structure of their bodies and basic chemistry, it is unlikely that fertilisation could even take place.

The protein structure alone says "Ahhh no" the genetics... well even if Quarians were levo-proteins... what are the chances that the genetics of two species that evolved on the other side of the Galaxy from each other are even vaguely close to compatable?

Convergent evolution is well documented on this planet. Why not in the galaxy?

[The Big Palooka]

Koobarex wrote...


If you haven't yet heard about Marauder Shields, go to: http://social.biowar...index/9980598/1

And to lift our spirits a bit, and help to hold the line, here's... My first comic about Marauder.

Full version: http://i40.tinypic.com/34eouuu.jpg

Hold the line! And never forget the truest of the true, the marauderest of the all final bosses! 

 

I love you, sir or madam. 

[SkaldFish]

TJWWE2007 wrote...

Don't know if anyone has seen this yet, but the title of Biowares twitter is, "The war for Earth has begun, decide how it ends."

Lmao

"The war for Earth has begun, decide how what color it ends with."
                                                              
     

[Computim]

SkaldFish wrote...

TJWWE2007 wrote...

Don't know if anyone has seen this yet, but the title of Biowares twitter is, "The war for Earth has begun, decide how it ends."

Lmao

"The war for Earth has begun, decide how what color it ends with."
                                                              
     

Yeah I'm starting to wonder if they meant you have 16-bit choices.. not 16 different ones ;P

[MeldarthX]

Right folks; I'm signing out for the night........

I need some sleep;

USS: Solihul going in for fuel......

HOLD THE LINE - WE LEAVE NO ONE BEHIND!!

[Hydralysk]

Lets try and keep on message here guys, Tali and Garrus' dream endings are nice and all, but we're here to hold the line first and foremost.

[Nharia1]

SkaldFish wrote...

TJWWE2007 wrote...

Don't know if anyone has seen this yet, but the title of Biowares twitter is, "The war for Earth has begun, decide how it ends."

Lmao

"The war for Earth has begun, decide how what color it ends with."
                                                              
     

Brilliant~!

[Yuoaman]

Marauder Shields is the best thing to come out of this situation after the charity.

Holy crap he's awesome.

[Generic Name]

Hydralysk wrote...

Lets try and keep on message here guys, Tali and Garrus' dream endings are nice and all, but we're here to hold the line first and foremost.

If my Shep is offered an end with little blue babies he'll sprint away from his post.

[Puppet_Guy]

The Big Palooka wrote...

Koobarex wrote...


If you haven't yet heard about Marauder Shields, go to: http://social.biowar...index/9980598/1

And to lift our spirits a bit, and help to hold the line, here's... My first comic about Marauder.

Full version: http://i40.tinypic.com/34eouuu.jpg

Hold the line! And never forget the truest of the true, the marauderest of the all final bosses! 

 

I love you, sir or madam. 

Who's all for Marauder Shields as a secret squad member?  Cause' I sure am.

[Xyalon]

Hydralysk wrote...

Lets try and keep on message here guys, Tali and Garrus' dream endings are nice and all, but we're here to hold the line first and foremost.

Understood.

Still, alternative endings are what a lot of us are looking for, but I get that here isn't the place to discuss them. It was just lightening the mood for a few of us who were losing faith.

After all, like shepard, we have to remember what we're fighting for....

[Computim]

Generic Name wrote...

Hydralysk wrote...

Lets try and keep on message here guys, Tali and Garrus' dream endings are nice and all, but we're here to hold the line first and foremost.

If my Shep is offered an end with little blue babies he'll sprint away from his post.

Yeah.. the Liara/Shepard final scene there where he says "There's no place I'd rather be than here right now".. I wonder if they removed the ability to just fly off into the galaxy.  Knew too many people would go back and say "NEW ENDING"

[Cro730]

Hydralysk wrote...

Lets try and keep on message here guys, Tali and Garrus' dream endings are nice and all, but we're here to hold the line first and foremost.

Indeed. If bioware is listening then they could easily see how thoughts of such endings are enough to make fans happy. New ending plz, for true fan happiness. That is the core point of these dreams

[DifferentD17]

DifferentD17 wrote...

We should make a point to Bioware that if they respond before March 17th we could all donate the postage fees. I mean 1000 $1 donations is better than 1000 letters for no reason.

Bumping my own comment. Just want to point out what a huge waste it would be if they responded on the 18th or something when they didn't even get the letters yet.

[unclee]

Hydralysk wrote...

Lets try and keep on message here guys, Tali and Garrus' dream endings are nice and all, but we're here to hold the line first and foremost.

^This. Let's keep this thread on track. If you want to discuss Tali and Garrus' dream endings they should go in their own threads.

[Hydralysk]

Puppet_Guy wrote...

The Big Palooka wrote...

Koobarex wrote...


If you haven't yet heard about Marauder Shields, go to: http://social.biowar...index/9980598/1

And to lift our spirits a bit, and help to hold the line, here's... My first comic about Marauder.

Full version: http://i40.tinypic.com/34eouuu.jpg

Hold the line! And never forget the truest of the true, the marauderest of the all final bosses! 

 

I love you, sir or madam. 

Who's all for Marauder Shields as a secret squad member?  Cause' I sure am.

That would be the best mod ever.......other than one that fixes the ending of course.

[XIzCarnageXIXZ]

you get 3 choices at the ending....WHAT are you kidding me they are not even choices................dam you BIOWARE

[Major Swift]

"god......feels like years since i just.... sat down" gotta admit, i didnt think anderson's last scenes there were going to get me like they did, once we win this im probably going to feel like they did in that scene, relieved
shep:we did it
anderson: yes.. we did... its quite a view
Holding the line, no matter how long!

Modifié par Major Swift, 16 mars 2012 - 03:13 .

[Lord_Skyline]

Puppet_Guy wrote...

The Big Palooka wrote...

Koobarex wrote...


If you haven't yet heard about Marauder Shields, go to: http://social.biowar...index/9980598/1

And to lift our spirits a bit, and help to hold the line, here's... My first comic about Marauder.

Full version: http://i40.tinypic.com/34eouuu.jpg

Hold the line! And never forget the truest of the true, the marauderest of the all final bosses! 

 

I love you, sir or madam. 

Who's all for Marauder Shields as a secret squad member?  Cause' I sure am.

Marauder Shields AND Garrus on the Squad? Are you sure the Galaxy can handle that?

[taymorr]

i wasnt sure if anyone here had seen this it was on the we are listening thread so i thought id post it

bwFex wrote...

I really have been trying to let myself get over this nightmare, but since you guys promise you're listening here, I'll try to just say it all, get it all out.

I have invested more of myself into this series than almost any other video game franchise in my life. I loved this game. I believed in it. For five years, it delivered. I must have played ME1 and ME2 a dozen times each.

I remember the end of Mass Effect 2. Never before, in any video game I had ever played, did I feel like my actions really mattered. Knowing that the decisions I made and the hard work I put into ME2 had a very real, clear, obvious impact on who lived and who died was one of the most astounding feelings in the world to me. I remember when that laser hit the Normandy and Joker made a comment about how he was happy we upgraded the shields. That was amazing. Cause and effect. Work and reward.

The first time I went through, I lost Mordin, and it was gut-wrenching: watching him die because I made a bad decision was damning, heartbreaking. But it wasn't hopeless, because I knew I could go back, do better, and save him. I knew that I was in control, that my actions mattered. So that's exactly what I did. I reviewed my decisions, found my mistakes, and did everything right. I put together a plan, I worked hard to follow that plan, and I got the reward I had worked so hard for. And then, it was all for nothing.

When I started playing Mass Effect 3, I was blown away. It was perfect. Everything was perfect. It was incredible to see all of my decisions playing out in front of me, building up to new and outrageous outcomes. I was so sure that this was it, this was going to be the masterpiece that crowned an already near-perfect trilogy. With every war asset I gathered, and with every multiplayer game I won, I knew that my work would pay off, that I would be truly satisfied with the outcome of my hard work and smart decisions. Every time I acquired a new WA bonus, I couldn't wait to see how it would play out in the final battle. And then, it was all for nothing.

I wasn't expecting a perfect, happy ending with rainbows and butterflies. In fact, I think I may have been insulted if everyone made it through just fine. The Reapers are an enormous threat (although obviously not as invincible as they would like us to believe), and we should be right to anticipate heavy losses. But I never lost hope. I built alliances, I made the impossible happen to rally the galaxy together. I cured the genophage. I saved the Turians. I united the geth and the quarians. And then, it was all for nothing.

When Mordin died, it was heartwrenching, but I knew it was the right thing. His sacrifice was... perfect. It made sense. It was congruent with the dramatic themes that had been present since I very first met Wrex in ME1. It was not a cheap trick, a deus ex machina, an easy out. It was beautiful, meaningful, significant, relevant, and satisfying. It was an amazing way for an amazing character to sacrifice themself for an amazing thing. And then it was all for nothing.

When Thane died, it was tearjerking. I knew from the moment he explained his illness that one day, I'd have to deal with his death. I knew he was never going to survive the trilogy, and I knew it wouldn't be fun to watch him go. But when his son started reading the prayer, I lost it. His death was beautiful. It was significant. It was relevant. It was satisfying. It was meaningful. He died to protect Shepard, to protect the entire Citadel. He took a life he thought was unredeemable and used it to make the world a brighter place. And then it was all for nothing.

When Wrex and Eve thanked me for saving their species, I felt that I had truly accomplished something great. When Tali set foot on her homeworld, I felt that I had truly accomplished something great. When Javik gave his inspiring speech, I felt that I had inspired something truly great. When I activated the Citadel's arms, sat down to reminisce with Anderson one final time, I felt that I had truly accomplished something amazing. I felt that my sacrifice was meaningful. Significant. Relevant. And while still a completely unexplained deus ex machina, at least it was a little bit satisfying.

And then, just like everything else in this trilogy, it was all for nothing.

If we pretend like the indoctrination theory is false, and we're really supposed to take the ending at face value, this entire game is a lost cause. The krogans will never repopulate. The quarians will never rebuild their home world. The geth will never know what it means to be alive and independent. The salarians will never see how people can change for the better.

Instead, the quarians and turians will endure a quick, torturous extinction as they slowly starve to death, trapped in a system with no support for them. Everyone else will squabble over the scraps of Earth that haven't been completely obliterated, until the krogans drive them all to extinction and then die off without any women present. And this is all assuming that the relays didn't cause supernova-scaled extinction events simply by being destroyed, like we saw in Arrival.

And perhaps the worst part is that we don't even know. We don't know what happened to our squadmates. We didn't get any sort of catharsis, conclusion. We got five years of literary foreplay followed by a kick to the groin and a note telling us that in a couple months, we can pay Bioware $15 for them to do it to us all over again.

It's not just the abysmally depressing/sacrificial nature of the ending, either. As I've already made perfectly clear, I came into this game expecting sacrifice. When Mordin did it, it was beautiful. When Thane did it, it was beautiful. Even Verner. Stupid, misguided, idiotic Verner. Even his ridiculous sacrifice had meaning, relevance, coherence, and offered satisfaction.

No, it's not the sacrifice I have a problem with. It's the utter lack of coherence and respect for the five years of literary gold that have already been established in this franchise. We spent three games preparing to fight these reapers. I spent hours upon hours doing every side quest, picking up every war asset, maxing out my galactic readiness so that when the time came, the army I had built could make a stand, and show these Reapers that we won't go down without a fight.

In ME1, we did the impossible when we killed Sovereign. In ME2, we began to see that the Reapers aren't as immortal as they claim to be: that even they have basic needs, exploitable weaknesses. In ME3, we saw the Reapers die. We saw one get taken down by an overgrown worm. We saw one die with a few coordinated orbital bombardments. We saw several ripped apart by standard space combat. In ME1, it took three alliance fleets to kill the "invincible" Sovereign. By the end of ME3, I had assembled a galactic armada fifty times more powerful than that, and a thousand times more prepared. I never expected the fight to be easy, but I proved that we wouldn't go down without a fight, that there is always hope in unity. That's the theme we've been given for the past five years: there is hope and strength through unity. That if we work together, we can achieve the impossible.

And then we're supposed to believe that the fate of the galaxy comes down to some completely unexplained starchild asking Shepard what his favorite color is? That the army we built was all for nothing? That the squad whose loyalty we fought so hard for was all for nothing? That in the end, none of it mattered at all?

It's a poetic notion, but this isn't the place for poetry. It's one thing to rattle prose nihilistic over the course of a movie or ballad, where the audience is a passive observer, learning a lesson from the suffering and futility of a character, but that's not what Mass Effect is. Mass Effect has always been about making the player the true hero. If you really want us to all feel like we spent the past five years dumping time, energy, and emotional investment into this game just to tell us that nothing really matters, you have signed your own death certificate. Nobody pays hundreds of dollars and hours to be reminded how bleak, empty, and depressing the world can be, to be told that nothing we do matters, to be told that all of our greatest accomplishments, all of our faith, all of our work, all of our unity is for nothing.

No. It simply cannot be this bleak. I refuse to believe Bioware is really doing this. The ending of ME1 was perfect. We saw the struggle, we saw the cost, but we knew that we had worked hard, worked together, and won. The ending of ME2 was perfect. We saw the struggle, we saw the cost, but we knew that we had worked hard, worked together, and won.

Taken at face value, the end of ME3 throws every single thing we've done in the past five years into the wind, and makes the player watch from a distance as the entire galaxy is thrown into a technological dark age and a stellar extinction. Why would we care about a universe that no longer exists? We should we invest any more time or money into a world that will never be what we came to know and love?

Even if the ending is retconned, it doesn't make things better. Just knowing that the starchild was our real foe the entire time is so utterly mindless, contrived, and irrelevant to what we experienced in ME1 and ME2 that it cannot be forgiven. If that really is the truth, then Mass Effect simply isn't what we thought it was. And frankly, if this is what Mass Effect was supposed to be all along, I want no part of it. It's a useless, trite, overplayed cliche, so far beneath the praise I once gave this franchise that it hurts to think about.

No. There is no way to save this franchise without giving us the only explanation that makes sense. You know what it is. It was the plan all along. Too much evidence to not be true. Too many people reaching the same conclusions independently.

The indoctrination theory doesn't just save this franchise: it elevates it to one of the most powerful and compelling storytelling experiences I've ever had in my life. The fact that you managed to do more than indoctrinate Shepard - you managed to indoctrinate the players themselves - is astonishing. If that really was the end game, here, then you have won my gaming soul. But if that's true, then I'm still waiting for the rest of this story, the final chapter of Shepard's heroic journey. I paid to finish the fight, and if the indoctrination theory is true, it's not over yet.

And if it's not, then I just don't even care. I have been betrayed, and it's time for me to let go of the denial, the anger, the bargaining, and start working through the depression and emptiness until I can just move on. You can't keep teasing us like this. This must have seemed like a great plan at the time, but it has cost too much. These people believed in you. I believed in you.

Just make it right.






hold the line

Modifié par taymorr, 16 mars 2012 - 03:14 .