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[WvStolzing]

Mythandariel wrote...
Then... the only other explination is halucination brought on by indoctrnation. She all but confirmed it. Unless I am reading more into it than is there.

It's just disinformation.

[Welsh Inferno]

Xyalon wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

I really just cant wait until BioWare staff start talking openly about all this stuff....

Noswaith da. Welcome back.

Well its kinda the morning now but yeah good evening...

Cant really sleep again. Was up til' 6am past two nights. Looks like I may be again..

[LittleDeadGirl]

Crash landed in heaven makes as much sense as space magic so why not.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

"No matter how much you fight, you always end up in the same place. I don't see why you bother"

This quote is perfect!. (From Buffy episode "Fear Itself")

[unclee]

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

Nineteen wrote...

Interesting tweet from Jessica.

https://twitter.com/...491796659437568

I'm so confused.

Wait. So there IS a possibility they crashed somewhere in the sol system, even at another place on Earth? Because my parents kept saying that the place where they crashed looked like Amazon rainforest...(I know, don't take them seriously, but...we don't know how Amazon rainforest looks in the 2100s)

If you look at her whole twitter feed you see shes basically telling people they can interpret the events of the ending any way they like.   "I want the crew of the Normandy to be rescued!"  "Then go rescue them!"  It's rescue them in your imagination not dlc.

Here's the problem I have with that: I can take an ending that tells me "now have fun imagining what happened next." I have no problems with that. Chuck is a great example of this. It ends on a note of hope and basically leaves the viewer to decide what happened next, and it worked wonderfully.

However, what I DO have a problem with is endings that create new giant plot holes, make little sense and then tells me to "imagine what happens next." And that's without touching the issue of choice, or lackthereof, present here. I'm not a person who needs everything spelled out for him, and I understand this is Science Fiction and things aren't always going to make complete 100% sense, but there's a point where you have to lay a solid foundation for my imagination to take hold.

Mass Effect 3 lacks that foundation.

[Mythandariel]

LittleDeadGirl wrote...

Crash landed in heaven makes as much sense as space magic so why not.

Then where's the bar? I was promised a bar!

[KaiserinKai]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Xyalon wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

I really just cant wait until BioWare staff start talking openly about all this stuff....

Noswaith da. Welcome back.

Well its kinda the morning now but yeah good evening...

Cant really sleep again. Was up til' 6am past two nights. Looks like I may be again..

Same here, I can't stop posting, it's addictive...

[Nineteen]

 https://twitter.com/...497612372316160

[Xyalon]

WvStolzing wrote...

Mythandariel wrote...
Then... the only other explination is halucination brought on by indoctrnation. She all but confirmed it. Unless I am reading more into it than is there.

It's just disinformation.

Agreed. We can't pay attention to anything from BioWare or EA for that matter until they make an official statement. I'm not saying that this is because they are lying or have nothing worth saying, but that until they give something official they are not allowed to hit at any sort of decision.

If you start following what they say you're like as not to take the wrong impression.

Stick with what we know and what we want and build from there. Clutching at straws is tempting, hell I know, but do your best to resist.

Stand firm and hold the line.

[TamiBx]

 Sooo, I went back to the Japanese 2chan forum, and read a little bit (because, you know, they are awake now), and a lot of them are complaining that their Shepard couldn't celebrate the ending like your GW could in DA:O and they are also talking about the indoctrination theory (yay?) 

And they joked and said Shepard is this guy (from an old anime) and that now he will live like him and that Bioware should have used these videos as epilogue...yes, they wanted an epilogue too(video in Japanese)



Japanese gamers make me laugh. 

[ld1449]

People even though they don't have Mass relays Ships do have conventional FTL travel (its how they go from system to system after they jump through a relay to hit a sector like Hades Gama). Joker could have just made a blind jump when he saw the relay/citadel blowing up to try and save the ship. Stop busting your skulls over the fact they said he never made it to the relay

Modifié par ld1449, 16 mars 2012 - 03:43 .

[Pyewacket]

Atraiyu Wrynn wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

Nineteen wrote...

Interesting tweet from Jessica.

https://twitter.com/...491796659437568

I'm so confused.

Wait. So there IS a possibility they crashed somewhere in the sol system, even at another place on Earth? Because my parents kept saying that the place where they crashed looked like Amazon rainforest...(I know, don't take them seriously, but...we don't know how Amazon rainforest looks in the 2100s)

If you look at her whole twitter feed you see shes basically telling people they can interpret the events of the ending any way they like.   "I want the crew of the Normandy to be rescued!"  "Then go rescue them!"  It's rescue them in your imagination not dlc.

Oh my god.  That's genius!  Hell they don't need a coherent ending!  Just leave it making absolutely no sense and just tell the fans, "Hey! It can mean whatever you want it to mean!"  Jesus, it's like being told to stare at a piece of abstract art and tell everyone what I think it's supposed to symbolize.  Y'know what I think it symbolizes?  A lazy copout.

[Vardtmardtr]

Honestly, I think I'd like a straight answer from Bioware staff for once.
But doesn't that tweet imply that either the normandy crash-landed in the sol system or that it never happened? (indoctrinated/dream theory)

...Anyone know of any lush, tropical planets in the solar system with moons like that? I don't.

[Esker02]

Xyalon wrote...

Esker02 wrote...

I suppose, but this crosses a line, even for her. That's not a matter of interpretation, it's a matter of ignoring what the game presents to you altogether.

EDIT: Unless, oh, she wants us to think they were like, knocked really hard by... the wave of energy now behind them... and pushed into that speed? Or uhh... something?

A la Star Trek: Voyager?

Heh. It had crossed my mind.

Or yeah, the indoctrination thing like somebody said. Maybe we're supposed to say "she's right! they couldn't make it to the relay in time unless Joker had been running away, which he wouldn't. This is further proof that the ending never happened." Hrm.

[Crossleft]

Zhijn wrote...

Just incase you guys dont leave this area, here is a review from another topic

Link:
http://pixelatedgeek...aws-of-victory/

this was awesome

[Mavaras]

I have been defending this community over my Facebook. I hope you enjoy the entertaining nerdom, macabre, and face palm moments. Though the conversation strikes a serious note.

****The following conversation occurred as follows. Names have been changed to protect the privacy of involved individuals.****

Mavaras: "The video game industry is so insulated from the way sound business practices work that they insult my intelligence. The producers think they are beyond reproach or customer dialogue. They think that their artistic integrity allows for them to advertise dishonestly without a negative reaction. When they want our money, they are a producer, when we hate their product, they're an artist. Their disconnect with the way the world works is sickening. Video game websites like IGN, GiantBomb, and Kotaku are absolute jokers; with opinions so destructive to the consumer it is a miracle that anybody gives them the time of day. They call consumers that are dissatisfied with a product and lobby for a better one "Entitled". What fantasy land do these people reside in?

Mavaras: "It puts me in a bad place because Mavaras the person wants to play video games till he dies, but Mavaras the responsible consumer needs to withhold his money and give it to industries that understand that the consumer effects market viability."

Responder2: "Oh Mavaras...I love you, you absolutely crack me up!!!! Kinda reminds me of your Subway story...lol!!!!"

Responder3: "Take my hand, we'll get through this together"

Responder4: "You make me laugh!!! And I know you are dead ass serious !! Will I see you Sunday and have cocktails !?"

Responder5: "Move to a free to play game *Cough, league of legends, Cough* where you only pay money if you want to support the company (buy buying skins)"

Responder6: "I completely understand and agree with your logic cnn however, you still just committed blasphemy. Give me the hand you were going to use to hold Responder 3's hand with so that I can chop it off.

Responder7: "MW3?? I get pissed at that all the time!"

Mavaras: "Yeah, I will be in Jackson this weekend. As far as the other comments; I am not jumping off the ledge yet, I just realize this is a problem. I haven't lost all faith that consumers can't win this battle. I am currently fighting against Bioware, and the resulting logic debates/conversations had by the Mass Effect community concerning the ending of ME3 has allowed me to extrapolate on the issue. I would not be Mavaras without video games, but, this fact strengthens the producer's negotiating power over me. Sometimes you have to cut off a finger to save the hand. Regardless of my dialogue on the matter, I urge everybody to investigate EA and Bioware for themselves, and if they feel the same way I do, boycott purchase of their products until they make an official response to the consumer's requests regarding ME3. I personally will not buy future titles or DLC from them if they cannot timely meet such a mundane and widely held view of courtesy. Though, don't be confused, EA/Bioware are one of many companies participating in this transgression against the consumer. I will also include links to the ME3 ending campaign and the associated charity being used to raise awareness."

Mavaras: <Provides Links>

Mavaras: "The community I belong to has raised over $50,000 for charity this week to garner a response; we are still waiting."

Responder8: "I take it your pilgrimage through ME1 has not helped matters. The ending cannot be changed. Best case scenario: they release DLC, a statement, or something along those lines that explains he ending for those who wish to have it. The developers are not business people, so they will follow their own ideas. Their managers and publishers handle the business end. It's not a good arrangement. Creates confusion and problems."

Responder3: "Two hundred dollars and two years worth of dlc later you will have such an ending."

Responder8: "Indeed, responder 3."

Mavaras: "Ya Responder8. That's the grand scheme. That's how they manage to have it both ways; being artists and producers. The issue with the requests from the community to Bioware are more complicated than this of course. The problem is the bias game media like IGN, Kotaku, and GiantBomb are trying to make us all look like Annie Wilkes. This is dishonest and illogical. Cursory research would have revealed that to them, though I know they chose to eviscerate logical and critical thinkers for OTHER reasons, perhaps associated with their viability as reviewers. For instance, I personally want them to address why their marketing scheme essentially misrepresented a definitive ending or choices that matter; as different colored explosions really doesn't take into account any of the three games decisions save EMS. Their unwillingness to give a timely answer falls on the producer/consumer relationship, not the artist/appreciator one. I hope that clears my view."

Mavaras: "Additionally, this is why Forbes lambasted their poor business practices."

Responder8: "I follow the view. I just have not seen any statements to this effect. I believe they are out there, but en again, so is a lot of other BS. I also do not read Kotaku or IGN because I think their content is garbage. IGN is very marketing driven and has no flavor. Kotaku feels like a tabloid that tries to spin-up their readers for giggles."

Mavaras: "There are many other views as well that are popular. I have dedicated the last 3 days of my life to doing nothing but understanding this movement. The situation is very complex and volatile, and that is why people are angry at the medias' insensitive, ill-informed, and unwarranted representations of the issue. They are plain wrong. The case takes into account many pertinent issues concerning intellectual property, artistic licence, consumer/producer relationships, media bias, and good business practices. Because of this, it is easy for people with alternative and less savory motives to attempt at exploiting the rhetoric to derail the conversation from the real issues concerning Bioware's viability as a game company."

Mavaras: "Additionally, I am not beating up on the three mentioned media outlets in-particular, but only because their articles were the first ones to echo the "entitlement" argument which is miss-representative and pretentious."

Responder8: "****** situation, I know. We should discuss it in person one day soon. 

Modifié par Mavaras, 16 mars 2012 - 03:49 .

[Welsh Inferno]

I'm trying to get some answers from Jess... not getting mine answered D: Nah she's likely getting hundreds of tweets a minute.

[CitizenSnips]

If the ending isn't either indoctrination or a dream, it's completely nonsensical.

[Hydralysk]

Zhijn wrote...

Just incase you guys dont leave this area, here is a review from another topic

Link:
http://pixelatedgeek...aws-of-victory/

It's good to see that journalists went through the same exact suffering and repulsion at the ending as we did.

EDIT: Just realized how incredibly evil that sounds....

Modifié par Hydralysk, 16 mars 2012 - 03:43 .

[Xyalon]

Mythandariel wrote...

LittleDeadGirl wrote...

Crash landed in heaven makes as much sense as space magic so why not.

Then where's the bar? I was promised a bar!

I opened one earlier. We were playing Skyllian 5 with a Krogan and a couple of Turians....what can I get you, everything is on the house.

[KaiserinKai]

TamiBx wrote...

 Sooo, I went back to the Japanese 2chan forum, and read a little bit (because, you know, they are awake now), and a lot of them are complaining that their Shepard couldn't celebrate the ending like your GW could in DA:O and they are also talking about the indoctrination theory (yay?) 

And they joked and said Shepard is this guy (from an old anime) and that now he will live like him and that Bioware should have used these videos as epilogue...yes, they wanted an epilogue too(video in Japanese)



Japanese gamers make me laugh. 

Yay, new recruits for the fleet~

[leonardo87]

Any new developments? I have been gone for a bit.

HOLD THE LINE!

[Computim]

KaiserinKai wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

 Sooo, I went back to the Japanese 2chan forum, and read a little bit (because, you know, they are awake now), and a lot of them are complaining that their Shepard couldn't celebrate the ending like your GW could in DA:O and they are also talking about the indoctrination theory (yay?) 

And they joked and said Shepard is this guy (from an old anime) and that now he will live like him and that Bioware should have used these videos as epilogue...yes, they wanted an epilogue too(video in Japanese)



Japanese gamers make me laugh. 

Yay, new recruits for the fleet~

Having watched far too many Japanese Soaps in my college years this doesn't surprise me one bit haha.  I love the Japanese Entertainment Industry's attention to detail.

[Anxarcule]

I have a question. Would you guys be happy with just some new content being added after the current three endings? Because I don't think anything but the complete obliteration of the whole child-god scene would work for me.
I mean, it is an affront to logic. I tried to be funny about it here http://social.biowar...16/1033#9902933, but looking, for example, at the synthesis ending seriously:


- Shepard finds what looks like an AI in the middle of the Reaper controlled Citadel.

- Said AI confesses to commanding the Reapers. The same Reapers that have never been above deceit.

- Shepard is offered to sacrifice his life so that his "energy" is used to change the "DNA" of all organic and synthetic organisms in the Galaxy. I don't know about your Shepard, but this would have been a little bit beyond what mine would have considered feasible.

- Synthesis is presented as the ultimate solution because if everything is half organic and half synthetic (IE. the same) then there will be peace.
Really???? Humans kill humans, Turians kill Turians, Krogans kill Krogans, and on the synthetic side Geth kill Geth (possible outcome of Legion's loyalty mission in ME2 is wiping out the Heretics, at his behest mind you). How on earth is being spliced into an organic/synthetic abomination going to ensure peace?
On top of that, what is going to stop this new spliced races from eventually creating a new synthetic life form and ending up with the same problem.


So, to sum up, we have an untrustworthy child-thing asking Shepard to give his life in exchange for affecting the galaxy in a way that is incredibly hard to believe, in order to attain a promised peace that doesn't resist the most cursory analysis.

Shepard would have to be beyond gullible to just jump into that energy pillar, he would have to be plain stupid.


Similar analysis can be done to the control choice. I mean, what guarantee does Shepard have that anything beyond being burnt to ashes would come out of grabbing those very deadly looking handles.
I think a little bit more than a child's countenance is required to trust someone enough to give up your life in exchange for a promise.


While on the topic of sacrifice, another thing that really bothers me is that someone at BioWare decided to be moralizing but didn't bother to back it up with narrative. That is; they decided that wanting Shepard to live is "selfish" so it had to be done at the expense of the Geth and, more importantly, EDI.

In contrast, they provided the option of being selfless, killing Shepard but sparring his allies and friend. The problem with this, again, is that the need for Shepard to die is not framed by the narrative, what reason beyond the god-child's whim (Control) or the need for his "energy" (Synthesis) are given?
 
Kaidan/Ashley's death made sense, you could not save them both before the bomb went off. Mordin was the only one that could "get it right". Thane was already terminally ill when you first met him.
 
How can a company that managed to make these deaths work, think that it is acceptable to justify the need for Shepard's death with: "So sayeth the god-child"?


I hope that there is some ending DLC coming, but it better modify the game before we kill Marauder Shields because I can suspend my disbelief, but I find it hard to suspend logic to the degree that our current "god" demands.

Again, sorry for the rant/wall of text.

[LittleDeadGirl]

Mythandariel wrote...

LittleDeadGirl wrote...

Crash landed in heaven makes as much sense as space magic so why not.

Then where's the bar? I was promised a bar!

It's heaven. It appears as soon as you die. Garrus doesn't want to spill any drinks until you get there Turians are very considerate. I honestly think they were going for some kind of metaphor with the crash landing. New world. New beginning. It was just so ham fisted and hokey I was beyond dumb founded. Buzz made me feel a little better. Sort of.