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KaiserinKai

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Anxarcule wrote...

I have a question. Would you guys be happy with just some new content being added after the current three endings? Because I don't think anything but the complete obliteration of the whole child-god scene would work for me.
I mean, it is an affront to logic. I tried to be funny about it here http://social.biowar...16/1033#9902933, but looking, for example, at the synthesis ending seriously:


- Shepard finds what looks like an AI in the middle of the Reaper controlled Citadel.

- Said AI confesses to commanding the Reapers. The same Reapers that have never been above deceit.

- Shepard is offered to sacrifice his life so that his "energy" is used to change the "DNA" of all organic and synthetic organisms in the Galaxy. I don't know about your Shepard, but this would have been a little bit beyond what mine would have considered feasible.

- Synthesis is presented as the ultimate solution because if everything is half organic and half synthetic (IE. the same) then there will be peace.
Really???? Humans kill humans, Turians kill Turians, Krogans kill Krogans, and on the synthetic side Geth kill Geth (possible outcome of Legion's loyalty mission in ME2 is wiping out the Heretics, at his behest mind you). How on earth is being spliced into an organic/synthetic abomination going to ensure peace?
On top of that, what is going to stop this new spliced races from eventually creating a new synthetic life form and ending up with the same problem.


So, to sum up, we have an untrustworthy child-thing asking Shepard to give his life in exchange for affecting the galaxy in a way that is incredibly hard to believe, in order to attain a promised peace that doesn't resist the most cursory analysis.

Shepard would have to be beyond gullible to just jump into that energy pillar, he would have to be plain stupid.


Similar analysis can be done to the control choice. I mean, what guarantee does Shepard have that anything beyond being burnt to ashes would come out of grabbing those very deadly looking handles.
I think a little bit more than a child's countenance is required to trust someone enough to give up your life in exchange for a promise.


While on the topic of sacrifice, another thing that really bothers me is that someone at BioWare decided to be moralizing but didn't bother to back it up with narrative. That is; they decided that wanting Shepard to live is "selfish" so it had to be done at the expense of the Geth and, more importantly, EDI.

In contrast, they provided the option of being selfless, killing Shepard but sparring his allies and friend. The problem with this, again, is that the need for Shepard to die is not framed by the narrative, what reason beyond the god-child's whim (Control) or the need for his "energy" (Synthesis) are given?
 
Kaidan/Ashley's death made sense, you could not save them both before the bomb went off. Mordin was the only one that could "get it right". Thane was already terminally ill when you first met him.
 
How can a company that managed to make these deaths work, think that it is acceptable to justify the need for Shepard's death with: "So sayeth the god-child"?


I hope that there is some ending DLC coming, but it better modify the game before we kill Marauder Shields because I can suspend my disbelief, but I find it hard to suspend logic to the degree that our current "god" demands.

Again, sorry for the rant/wall of text.


If they go with the indoctrination theory, then no it doesn't need to be removed. If they go with anything else... yea, god kid AI would make no sense what so ever.

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Asked Jessica M. about if they ever thought of putting Tali's real face in game on a 3d model...the response is a little odd.

https://twitter.com/...498718523539456

So they didn't do it because they were afraid someone would mod the game...and that would break lore...

Huh? Quick, someone call Bethesda, they need to know modders are ruining Elder Scrolls with all those insane mods.

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Just be careful with the Twitter stuff. I said it in another thread, but it reeks of PR "open ended discussion", edgy ending stuff.

Not saying to give up hope, but just don't fall into a trap that an experienced community manager can easily lay for you.

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Nineteen wrote...

 https://twitter.com/...497612372316160


Very very nice catch Nineteen though I have no idea what to really think about these tweets we have been getting lately. Either they are just really messing with us or just trying to say you all got it right.

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Computim wrote...

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TamiBx wrote...

 Sooo, I went back to the Japanese 2chan forum, and read a little bit (because, you know, they are awake now), and a lot of them are complaining that their Shepard couldn't celebrate the ending like your GW could in DA:O and they are also talking about the indoctrination theory (yay?) 

And they joked and said Shepard is this guy (from an old anime) and that now he will live like him and that Bioware should have used these videos as epilogue...yes, they wanted an epilogue too(video in Japanese)



Japanese gamers make me laugh. :lol:


Yay, new recruits for the fleet~


Having watched far too many Japanese Soaps in my college years this doesn't surprise me one bit haha.  I love the Japanese Entertainment Industry's attention to detail.


I want to watch Trigun now....or maybe some Cowboy Bebop....

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thePredator50 wrote...

From here: http://www.bioware.r..._truth_dlc.html

Translated:

Mass Effect 3 - HEARING: DLC «truth» and the new ending is true


Before reading further, please pay special attention to the news that DOES not officially confirmed, and may be untrue! Once again: this is unofficial information.

A few days ago an anonymous user, from which there is information about the first DLC for multiplayer , provided information about what "fiasco" with the final Mass Effect 3 developers pitch was intentional because of the early beta version of the game leaked online, revealing thus the plot. BioWare changed this same story in a way that they have time to prepare the true ending and releasing it through the DLC.

A possible addition is called " true "(" The Truth ") and, presumably, will be released in April or May. You will be able to continue the story, regardless of the choices made ​​in the final, but your decision will have a strong influence on the ending of "Truth." On top of that in addition there will be two new enemies, new classes, new multiplayer maps (including a base, "Beehive" - a small card on the last remaining ship Collector).

The image in the news about the DLC for multiplayer shows some but not all, of future classes and races. It does not show proteanin adept and proteanin attack. This DLC will also add to the multiplayer proteanskuyu rifle for all owners add "From the ashes" .

News source claims that this supplement will be distributed free of charge.

Again, nothing has not yet been officially confirmed, and all may be nothing but a fake.



Courtesy of Arlind.



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Zhijn wrote...

Just incase you guys dont leave this area, here is a review from another topic

Link:
http://pixelatedgeek...aws-of-victory/


It's good to see that journalists went through the same exact suffering and repulsion at the ending as we did.

EDIT: Just realized how incredibly evil that sounds....


It helps that other people feel as horribly disappointed as I do. It'd be nice for you if you loved the ending but I'm glad most of you are here in the trenches with me. Does that make me a bad person? :innocent:

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So, I wonder how Bioware's competitors are reacting to this? Many must be smiling at thier current predicament. Others are probably strategizing on how to capitalize. Some may be monitoring the situation with a big tub of popcorn and laughing.

So, a year from now. You walk into a store and see Dragon Age III, The Witcher III and The Elder Scrolls VI. You have $120 to buy two games. Assuming ME 3's ending stays as is. Whch one gets left on the shelf?

Here's a hint: Dragon Age III

Modifié par Jorojr, 16 mars 2012 - 03:50 .


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Welsh Inferno

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Zulmoka531 wrote...

Just be careful with the Twitter stuff. I said it in another thread, but it reeks of PR "open ended discussion", edgy ending stuff.

Not saying to give up hope, but just don't fall into a trap that an experienced community manager can easily lay for you.


Very true. I think I just want hope at the moment though, even if its all for nothing.

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https://twitter.com/...499739853328385

I think we all take option 4. Correct?

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www.youtube.com/watch

this guy explains the endings far better than i can, he makes a ton of excellent points

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Welsh Inferno wrote...

https://twitter.com/...499739853328385

I think we all take option 4. Correct?


I saw that one, too. Though that COULD be more "interpret the ending yourself" stuff. I've been reading more and more of Jessica's stuff, and it almost seems she's being as cryptic as @masseffect. Just without the copypasta responses.

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WvStolzing wrote...

Mythandariel wrote...
Then... the only other explination is halucination brought on by indoctrnation. She all but confirmed it. Unless I am reading more into it than is there.


It's just disinformation.


Yes it is. Right above that she confirms this is the end of Sheps story and it's not important to know what happened to everyone else. 

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Anxarcule wrote...

*Snipped for Length*

Again, sorry for the rant/wall of text.


No worries!  Personally I'm hoping they're able to salvage these as some sort of mind-control/indoctrination thing that Shepard wakes up from, I mean he was hit by a Reaper Beam.. they blow up skyscrapers.. a bit of unconsciousness is a good thing.  They could tie that in so well with a Rescue Sheppard DLC.. Sheppard fights his way through the Citadel, war assets you got previously helping or hindering, makes it to the release for the arms,   Then your crew could come to rescue you, not knowing if you're alive or dead... they could have awesome timing with a shuttle that comes to rescue you from some sort of (Think Star Trek Insurrection) like explosive thing of the crucible firing. 

^^ This is just my 5 second planned "This would fit" thing.

I don't mind if he has to die.. I'd prefer to have some way to have a proper epilogue where I could go through the game and finish missions and replay them even or something.. it just makes my games a lot more enjoyable, especially for replay value when I can.  I just think that for the paragon side, someone who's spent most of his time trying to avoid sacrificing ONE life, he wouldn't jeopardize the galaxy... (And end up destroying them using current 'ending')

Modifié par Computim, 16 mars 2012 - 03:52 .


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Ruari wrote...

Asked Jessica M. about if they ever thought of putting Tali's real face in game on a 3d model...the response is a little odd.

https://twitter.com/...498718523539456

So they didn't do it because they were afraid someone would mod the game...and that would break lore...

Huh? Quick, someone call Bethesda, they need to know modders are ruining Elder Scrolls with all those insane mods.

I think she was refering to the fact that the quarians constantly need their suits or else their pretty much dead and if they put the face the modders would make it so that it was always her face and make it feel less like the lore of the ME universe
at least I think that's what she is talking about

#34866
KaiserinKai

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Welsh Inferno wrote...

https://twitter.com/...499739853328385

I think we all take option 4. Correct?


Of course, that's what Commander Shepard, both Paragon and Renagade, does!

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Has anyone realize yet, that the ending was so utterly nonsensical and horrendous it rippled back and ruined the other two games? I can't think of a franchise that has EVER accomplished that feat.

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Xyalon wrote...

I want to watch Trigun now....or maybe some Cowboy Bebop....



I wish we could have ended ME3 after Anderson said you "done good kid" with a song from Cowboy Bebop.

Maybe Rain.

#34869
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Vardtmardtr wrote...

Honestly, I think I'd like a straight answer from Bioware staff for once.
But doesn't that tweet imply that either the normandy crash-landed in the sol system or that it never happened? (indoctrinated/dream theory)

...Anyone know of any lush, tropical planets in the solar system with moons like that? I don't.


Unless some moon of Jupiter or Saturn got one hell of a terraforming job done to it, no, nothing else like that exists except on Earth, which doesn't have the proper moons unless space magic added one or two.

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Welsh Inferno wrote...

Oooooh I just thought. From what devs have been saying like this tweet: https://twitter.com/...494175203102721

To me it just seems that they just expect us to get past the grief in a few weeks/months, start thinking really hard about what it all means and then have some epiphany or something...#
Just fix them....


*sigh* Okay, taking two months to "figure out" the ending is not exactly a sign of quality. This is not Finnegans Wake, for heaven's sake. Mass Effect has previously been a fun, solid story; it's not the place to attempt grand metaphysical commentary on the nature of man. I don't see a lot of fans asking, "But what did it all mean? What is the significance of this color or that gesture?" No, the questions are "Why is Shepard acting like a moron and agreeing with arguments she/he could easily refute with her/his actions earlier in the same game?" and "Why does nothing I did in the last three games matter aside from building an arbitrary number to maybe let Shepard survive in one ending scenario?" I don't think that's the speculation they were talking about.

The problem isn't that I don't "get it." The problem is Space Magic Skittles and the complete lack of resolution.

#34871
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ashley_actually wrote...

Hydralysk wrote...

Zhijn wrote...

Just incase you guys dont leave this area, here is a review from another topic

Link:
http://pixelatedgeek...aws-of-victory/


It's good to see that journalists went through the same exact suffering and repulsion at the ending as we did.

EDIT: Just realized how incredibly evil that sounds....


It helps that other people feel as horribly disappointed as I do. It'd be nice for you if you loved the ending but I'm glad most of you are here in the trenches with me. Does that make me a bad person? :innocent:


Personally I'm hoping that some of the Devs are going through that pain right now:

"But what about the bit with the old friends and catching up?"
"They say the ending made them pointless"
"What about the overhead conversations on the citadel which they could help with and the effects on their fleet"
"They said the ending made them worthless"
"What about getting back together with your LI and having a truly gutwrenching romance"
"They said the ending made them meaningless"
"So everything we did to make this game great...is overshadowed by the ending?"
"Yep"
"Ouch"

#34872
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Is it just me or are pro-ending guys out in force? What, is there like three of them?
Its so hard not to descend in to name calling :(

Hold the Line.

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Reptilian Rob wrote...

Has anyone realize yet, that the ending was so utterly nonsensical and horrendous it rippled back and ruined the other two games? I can't think of a franchise that has EVER accomplished that feat.


It certainly does take a special kind of screw up to throw out every choice you've made for 90 or so hours in the final 5-10 minutes.

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KaiserinKai

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Reptilian Rob wrote...

Has anyone realize yet, that the ending was so utterly nonsensical and horrendous it rippled back and ruined the other two games? I can't think of a franchise that has EVER accomplished that feat.


Nope, Bioware really outdid themselves... and not in a good way :unsure:

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Still holding the line BW. And you should be ashamed at what your moderators are now having to go through because of the endings.