101103 réponses à ce sujet

[wicked_being]

April 1st is a terrible date to pick to announce something us fans would like.

[TJWWE2007]

Ohio fleet checking in and checking out. Bed time. See you all tomorrow. 1500 posts tomorrow! Let's do it!

Hold the line!

[Generic Name]

wicked_being wrote...

April 1st is a terrible date to pick to announce something us fans would like.

Not even responding to the consumers is a mistake. My trust in BioWare is gone and even a real ending DLC will not change that.

[Kezza]

 I thought this would be worth putting up for those who havn't seen it (Also if it was recently put up; sorry)

Letter campaign. There's nothing like a good old fashioned letter campaign. Physical letters can often mean a lot more than digital ones. I'd like everyone who is willing and able to compose a letter to send to Bioware (just them for the moment).

Letters need to be short, and simple. Highlight why you are writing to them, and what you are asking for. Do not suggest ideas for a new ending other than in vague terms.
BE POLITE AND COURTEOUS. If it wouldn't be in a Disney cartoon it shouldn't be in your letter.

DO NOT send the letters out yet. There will be a single release date, so Bioware knows we are organized.

add: #RetakeMassEffect somewhere in your letter, so they know we are all in this together.

Can't send a physical letter? Email works, same rules as above.

Where to send: 
Mailing Address:
BioWare Edmonton
200-4445 Calgary Trail NW
Edmonton AB
Canada T6H 5R7

Email: contact@bioware.com

Send out your letters on MARCH 17th.  

Modifié par Kezza, 16 mars 2012 - 06:20 .

[LouTenant]

How's the line holding?

[malra]

When is PAX? i think they'd want to do something before being verbally attacked in person. And what kind of name is PAX anyhow, that was the mind control drug from firefly....maybe its a plot.

[J.Random]

ld1449 wrote...

Don't worry, soon we'll be bolstered by reinforcements from our Asian allies. Besides, give people a bit of a break. Its been several days since they beat the game. Just because they may not need to be here doesn't mean they aren't still pissed. Lack of presence in a forum doesn't mean lack of interest, or lack of anger at what will go down/be said in the future.

^ this. I, for example, just stated my opinion on ending (and I refuse to talk about it in plural) smth like 700 pages ago and lurking in the shadows since then. Nothing to discuss here, really. We all agree that space magic is a fail, and noone can justify it for us. Oh, and community managers (there is such department in EAware, isn't it) are too scared of us to get here and talk to people. I think they are just waiting for excuse to close this topic (and a forum subtree as well, maybe). Gotta stay calm and polite.

Modifié par J.Random, 16 mars 2012 - 06:20 .

[malra]

Kezza wrote...

 I thought this would be worth putting up for those who havn't seen it (Also if it was recently put up; sorry)

Letter campaign. There's nothing like a good old fashioned letter campaign. Physical letters can often mean a lot more than digital ones. I'd like everyone who is willing and able to compose a letter to send to Bioware (just them for the moment).

Letters need to be short, and simple. Highlight why you are writing to them, and what you are asking for. Do not suggest ideas for a new ending other than in vague terms.
BE POLITE AND COURTEOUS. If it wouldn't be in a Disney cartoon it shouldn't be in your letter.

DO NOT send the letters out yet. There will be a single release date, so Bioware knows we are organized.

add: #RetakeMassEffect somewhere in your letter, so they know we are all in this together.

Can't send a physical letter? Email works, same rules as above.

Where to send: 
Mailing Address:
BioWare Edmonton
200-4445 Calgary Trail NW
Edmonton AB
Canada T6H 5R7

Email: contact@bioware.com

Send out your letters on MARCH 17th.  

thanks for this again.

[Koobarex]

Sorry for the repost, I just wanted to get the updated second comic online before going to bed (I have to be at work in 4 hours, huh).

The slightly updated second comic is available here:
http://zapodaj.net/i...470cb23f5d3.jpg



The first comic can be seen here: http://i40.tinypic.com/34eouuu.jpg

Be sure to join the Army of Marauder Shields, here: http://social.bioware.com/group/7072

The third (yup) should be finished today, if I'm still alive after work.

Hold the line, people. For Shepard and Marauder Shields.
 

[ld1449]

For those of you pulling away, saying there is no hope. You're all just proving to yourselves that you were never really in this. You were supposed to be willing to *fight* that means overcoming adversity. That does not mean running away the moment adversity shows itself.

This campaign is to get them to *change* the ending. Not Yell and scream until they say *We had this planned all along here you go*

So they showed an App that said the crap ending that we got was intentional/unavoidable. Big ****ing deal. So Bioware says the ending is a piece of *art* again, big ****ing deal. We're all in this to *fight* for a changed ending. Not *find out if they're willing to give us one*

We're gonna MAKE em give us one, or at the very least make em hurt where it hurts the most if they refuse.

That's what it means to *hold the line* to stay standing here when **** hits the fan. Not to stand here when everything's fine flipping dandy and run away the moment you don't feel good anymore

[Apfelweinbrauer]

Good morning everyone!

Anything new so far, or is BioWare still doing the Dodo?

[People4Peace]

Copperbolt wrote...

Angry Joe will help hold the line!

He certainly will!!

[gorgoth]

Not sure if this has already been posted, but:


          communityvoices.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/arts-entertainment-living/the-game-guy/32282-the-mass-effect-3-petition-is-anti-video-games



To me the whole art defense breaks down with the assumption that art is always
as the artist envisions it. One of the big comparisons between movies and
games. I have heard in a few documentaries of various movies that at times the
studio having an aspect of a movie changed because they felt it would not bring
a successful return on their investment. If this is indeed the case, then what
is the difference between the studio requesting something change and us gamers
requesting a change?

I tend to look at the issue from more of a software
development point of view. A common definition of software  is a system that solves a problem that meets
the customers' needs and desires (not a direct quote but close). For market
drive products, which is where video games fall, the degree to which the
solution is met is determined by the overall satisfaction of your customer
base. If a large number of the customer base is unhappy about something it
means that the solution given does not fully solve the problem.

So here we have a large portion of BW's customer base
unhappy about the ending of mass effect 3 and all the major critics are
covering their ears and repeating "You can change the artists vision"
over and over again to drown out the requests for a better ending. I will
ignore for a minute that there is more than a slight smell of a conflict of
interest between give unbiased reviews of game and the need to placate the
developers/publishers for want of advertising funds. The fact of the matter is
if a director put out a film ended in  a
way that was so completely disconnected from the rest of the film, as I feel
ME3 did, and a lot of people complained about it that heads would role at the
studio. At the very least the director would find himself with a very short and
limited list of films he could work on for his next project.

The term starving artist exists for a reason. If you have a
artistic vision that the majority of people don't like then you will have
trouble getting by. I agree that video games are art, but they are also a business.
Which means ones artistic vision needs to be tempered by good business sense.
The two are completely intertwined. The "can't compromise artistic vision"
argument only works if there is no business to consider.

 

Should probably stop here or I will rant on forever.
Hope the above makes some sense.

Modifié par gorgoth, 16 mars 2012 - 06:23 .

[malra]

ld1449 wrote...

For those of you pulling away, saying there is no hope. You're all just proving to yourselves that you were never really in this. You were supposed to be willing to *fight* that means overcoming adversity. That does not mean running away the moment adversity shows itself.

This campaign is to get them to *change* the ending. Not Yell and scream until they say *We had this planned all along here you go*

So they showed an App that said the crap ending that we got was intentional/unavoidable. Big ****ing deal. So Bioware says the ending is a piece of *art* again, big ****ing deal. We're all in this to *fight* for a changed ending. Not *find out if they're willing to give us one*

We're gonna MAKE em give us one, or at the very least make em hurt where it hurts the most if they refuse.

That's what it means to *hold the line* to stay standing here when **** hits the fan. Not to stand here when everything's fine flipping dandy and run away the moment you don't feel good anymore

I wil say, after having looked through Final Hours, there is no art involved they weren't trying to make an artistic statement they were up against deadlines and the game was to long.  They then proceeded to throw out the baby and the bathwater then tossed the tub out the window for good measure.

[Generic Name]

ld1449 wrote...

For those of you pulling away, saying there is no hope. You're all just proving to yourselves that you were never really in this. You were supposed to be willing to *fight* that means overcoming adversity. That does not mean running away the moment adversity shows itself.

This campaign is to get them to *change* the ending. Not Yell and scream until they say *We had this planned all along here you go*

So they showed an App that said the crap ending that we got was intentional/unavoidable. Big ****ing deal. So Bioware says the ending is a piece of *art* again, big ****ing deal. We're all in this to *fight* for a changed ending. Not *find out if they're willing to give us one*

We're gonna MAKE em give us one, or at the very least make em hurt where it hurts the most if they refuse.

That's what it means to *hold the line* to stay standing here when **** hits the fan. Not to stand here when everything's fine flipping dandy and run away the moment you don't feel good anymore

I may act like Pvt. Hudson, but I'm in this until there is no line left to hold. I'll try to hold it a little while after that as well. This series deserves a much better send off then what it was given.

[UKillMeLongTime]

Hitler said it best

[sumo390]

Holding the line!

[Darkspazztic]

Still holding the line, just getting very sleepy.

May need some relief till the morning.

[malra]

Generic Name wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

For those of you pulling away, saying there is no hope. You're all just proving to yourselves that you were never really in this. You were supposed to be willing to *fight* that means overcoming adversity. That does not mean running away the moment adversity shows itself.

This campaign is to get them to *change* the ending. Not Yell and scream until they say *We had this planned all along here you go*

So they showed an App that said the crap ending that we got was intentional/unavoidable. Big ****ing deal. So Bioware says the ending is a piece of *art* again, big ****ing deal. We're all in this to *fight* for a changed ending. Not *find out if they're willing to give us one*

We're gonna MAKE em give us one, or at the very least make em hurt where it hurts the most if they refuse.

That's what it means to *hold the line* to stay standing here when **** hits the fan. Not to stand here when everything's fine flipping dandy and run away the moment you don't feel good anymore

I may act like Pvt. Hudson, but I'm in this until there is no line left to hold. I'll try to hold it a little while after that as well. This series deserves a much better send off then what it was given.

you know, I can't be the only farscape /firefly fan in here.  both of those awesome shows got movies just to satisfy the fans need for some type of closure.  farscape did something really inventive when the letter writing campaign failed.  I'll see if I can find out what it was.......sadly I don't remember.

[Wolfgang_Ocelot]

People do not falter! We must Keep holding the line! For us, for the children, for the rest of the gaming community.

We Will HOLD THE LINE!

Never give up, Never give in, Never Surrender, until we win.

Keelah Sel'ai

[Kezza]

Koobarex wrote...


Sorry for the repost, I just wanted to get the updated second comic online before going to bed (I have to be at work in 4 hours, huh).

The slightly updated second comic is available here:
http://zapodaj.net/i...470cb23f5d3.jpg

The first comic can be seen here: http://i40.tinypic.com/34eouuu.jpg

Be sure to join the Army of Marauder Shields, here: http://social.bioware.com/group/7072

The third (yup) should be finished today, if I'm still alive after work.

Hold the line, people. For Shepard and Marauder Shields.
 

I like them thanks

Modifié par Kezza, 16 mars 2012 - 06:27 .

[Shiyamirai]

Fox544 wrote...

I know I said I was going to bed but I had a thought while having my cup of tea. Sadly I'm starting to think we may never see the endings we deserve. I think what we're seeing is not a poor design team or a poor corporate understanding, its a leader who has lost touch. Casey Hudson has said HE didn't want an ending that would be forgotten. If he is honestly in the position to make that decision then I think we're seeing "Too Human Syndrome".

Yahtzee said in his Too Human review that an auteur developer would rather take the trimming shears to their own eyes than to their beloved magnum opus. I think this is exactly what we're seeing. A gentleman that had such an influence in the end that he changed the story to what he wanted and not the fans.

 
But if you think about it, Even Arthur Conan Doyle killed off his only main character in a horrible, short and shoddy way of a story because he had gotten as large as life. Then he realized after the uproar to his fans , and the fact that his "stock" was losing face, that he had to continue on writing because even if he hated his character; it had become real to his fans who wanted something better for someone, something, they were close to.
Sherlock Holmes came back because of fans and that was when people with pen and paper gave physical proof to publishers and his writer. The "man" still lives on.

A magnum opus, when truly written from the heart and soul of it's creators; it never truly dies.

I'm going in for shut eye. Hold the Line, more importanly, Hold The Belief

[Generic Name]

malra wrote...
you know, I can't be the only farscape /firefly fan in here.  both of those awesome shows got movies just to satisfy the fans need for some type of closure.  farscape did something really inventive when the letter writing campaign failed.  I'll see if I can find out what it was.......sadly I don't remember.

I had a Crichton and Captain Mal save ready to go. I hope I'll be able to see them through ME3 at some point.

[ArmyKnifeX]

So I'd just like to point out that in my arguments in the Chris Priestly-started thread, someone just called Sir Arthur Conan Doyle a sellout.

These are the people who are arguing ME3 had a good ending.