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[SomeKindaEnigma]

I see a few pics but no vids... are there actually vids posted somewhere of the endings?

[txgoldrush]

humes spork wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

and whats the theme of the trilogy, swatting away space gods without consquence?

Nevermind the fact that developers stated ME3's theme as victory through sacrifice...well what do you know, these endings.

Well, here's the thing. Going along with this,

IMO, the whole thing with a contrived doomed sacrifice for all the heroes ties right back to the sort of story they're evidently tryng to emulate with the whole "unfathomable space gods" thing.  

The Reapers in the context of the trilogy aren't "unfathomable space gods". Bioware just happens to be shoving that in our face and expecting us to eat it right up. Like I brought up earlier, they're simply not, they're just an alien race that has a technological advantage and superior numbers that relies on a handful of very underhanded tricks to get their way. They're actually kind of stupid, lazy, and full of hubris if you think about it.

And, there's nothing inherently wrong with that analysis. It goes back to Clarke's third law, they're perceived as an unknown at the beginning of the trilogy therefore they appear to be unfathomable space gods. During the course of the first and second, and presumably third, games, that veil of ignorance is lifted and the Reapers become seen for what they are, while the galaxy rises to meet the challenge.

The thing about Lovecraft since we're using him as a sci-fi/horror baseline is that he never, ever explains his horrors. He describes them in a way to play off the imagination, but that's as far as he goes. They remain, consistently, an unknown. Take for example the Colours out of Space: they're described (in language Lovecraft deliberated upon to invoke a sense of synesthesia rather than normal human perception), but that's it; everything else remains unknown.

Compared to that, by the end of the second game alone we end up with entire Codex entries describing the Reapers, their methodology, their psychology, their technology, even so far as to heavily imply their reason for existing and perpetuating the cycle. And if the third game's leaked script is to be trusted, by the end there is very precious little that remains unknown about the Reapers.

That's the narrative we're given over the course of the first two games, and now in the third we're supposed to go back to perceiving them as Lovecraftian space horrors?  I submit, no. That's a break of suspension of disbelief, and a contradiction of established lore, the trilogy can't survive. Knowledge is power, and an increasing scope of knowledge limits over what the imagination has domain. And, the very core of horror as a genre and playing into fear -- both of which absolutely critical to the Reapers in characterization and the threat they pose, and the significance of the dramatic question of the trilogy -- is ignorance and manipulating the imagination.

Simply put, the Reapers aren't and haven't been characterized -- or characterizable -- as unfathomable, Lovecraftian space gods since at the very latest the end of Mass Effect 2. Heck, I'd submit the death of Sovereign itself as the breaking point for that characterization since hubris -- a human trait and staple of drama since the days of the oral tradition -- was its own end. Sovereign was hoisted on its own petard, that humanized it, and by extension the Reapers as villains. No, handwaving the whole thing away as "Reapers are Lovecraftian space gods" doesn't work. It falls completely flat on its face, no matter how much Bioware tries to force it on the audience.

And with that said, no that absolutely does not imply "without consequence". Without the perception of the Reapers as unfathomable space gods wrought by a veil of ignorance, they're still a massive threat that requires sacrifice to defeat. And, since they're not unfathomable space gods, you don't need deus ex freakin' machina (i.e. the Crucible, Guardian, whatever) to do it! Let the players do what Mass Effect actually established would be done -- win (or lose) through hard work, making the hard choices, overcoming setbacks, developing resources, and building coalitions so the galactic community rises to defeat the powerful, yet not insurmountable, omnicidal alien race and break the cycle of extinction at immense cost. And if Shepard screwed that up, then a bad ending is well-deserved.

Here is where you argument fails, everyone is also using their tech, they die, their tech fails, such as the mass relays.

Thats another thing about sacrifice.

[Sakhalin]

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

I see a few pics but no vids... are there actually vids posted somewhere of the endings?

Something got uploaded on Youtube but it got taken down.

[Gandalf.lotr]

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

I see a few pics but no vids... are there actually vids posted somewhere of the endings?

No because it is illegal to post the videos. But if you get your hands on the preloaded digital edition you can open the bik files.

[Carnage752]

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

I see a few pics but no vids... are there actually vids posted somewhere of the endings?

That's a flaw I find in their "leaks". They can get pictures but not videos out? Pictures (Even those realistic ones) can be photoshopped quite easily, and can be tinkered to bring about said colors and effects. Videos on the other hand are irrefutable. Why not post those? Kinda fishy. But who am I to have hope?

[clearlyestated]

Allers: Shepard do I have to stay in starboard cargo?
Shepard: Look Allers I'm busy if there's a problem place a requisition order or talk to EDI-
Allers: It's just that the room has a lot of junk in it, like there was this grimy old rifle under this dirty cot...
Shepard: A rifle? What did you do with it...
Allers: Well I threw it out, Engineer Adams told me it was broken and was probably in there to be spaced with some of the other junk in the crates.
Shepard:......
Allers: Something wrong Shepard? It was just a ****ty old rifle...

Allers is jessica chobot

[Carnage752]

Gandalf.lotr wrote...

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

I see a few pics but no vids... are there actually vids posted somewhere of the endings?

No because it is illegal to post the videos. But if you get your hands on the preloaded digital edition you can open the bik files.

The pictures are illegal too. Clearly they don't care. Why no videos?

[xIREDEEMEDIx]

 I am starting to think now that there was something to that "challenge" about playing the game once through from scratch before you import your Shepard. My take...we read, you will notice all the little things and changes when you import your character. What was being said...play through with a character you don't care about so that when you import your Shepard,  your TV will be saved from flying controllers.    


wow, the lameness just oozez out of me today...

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Gandalf.lotr wrote...

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

I see a few pics but no vids... are there actually vids posted somewhere of the endings?

No because it is illegal to post the videos. But if you get your hands on the preloaded digital edition you can open the bik files.

I still think the pre-loads are locked. We still have to wait I guess.

[SomeKindaEnigma]

Gandalf.lotr wrote...

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

I see a few pics but no vids... are there actually vids posted somewhere of the endings?

No because it is illegal to post the videos. But if you get your hands on the preloaded digital edition you can open the bik files.

Ahh I see, are these files like cutscene clips from the game or?

[N7BLAZEOGLORE]

There is now way someone who got the spaced edition could have beat the game and done everything perfectly. the game is suppose to be like 55 hours long with all the side quest and thats not counting the mulitplayer help neither. they did the first release 5 days ago and the news on this drop yesterday. Thats 4 days to play 55 hours and get enough multiplay points. BioWare and Casey Hudson wouldn't cut their necks on the one.

[SomeKindaEnigma]

Carnage752 wrote...

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

I see a few pics but no vids... are there actually vids posted somewhere of the endings?

That's a flaw I find in their "leaks". They can get pictures but not videos out? Pictures (Even those realistic ones) can be photoshopped quite easily, and can be tinkered to bring about said colors and effects. Videos on the other hand are irrefutable. Why not post those? Kinda fishy. But who am I to have hope?

Interesting point

[Gandalf.lotr]

Carnage752 wrote...

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

I see a few pics but no vids... are there actually vids posted somewhere of the endings?

That's a flaw I find in their "leaks". They can get pictures but not videos out? Pictures (Even those realistic ones) can be photoshopped quite easily, and can be tinkered to bring about said colors and effects. Videos on the other hand are irrefutable. Why not post those? Kinda fishy. But who am I to have hope?

The preloaded version was leaked today on all different kind of shady platforms... the files are there...

[Ahms]

All I care about is: Does Shepard live or die?

(Yeah, forget about the rest of the galaxy. trollolol)

[Quartof]

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

he does believe me i would know, he's knocked out and placed in stasis in a relatively safe place 

The last cutscene shows a stasis pot cracking open, and a turian hand popping out.

[Capeo]

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Capeo wrote...

They are descendents of the Normandy crew and that's the planet they crash on.  I'm assuming other ships must have crashed there too because the crew probably wouldn't be enough to have a viable population but who knows.

So, the planet shown in the crash-landing and the old man ending is the same? No difference to suggest it's in a different place?

I'm going on what Tank, Xio and a guy who played it on the SA forums said.  Apparently the giant moon shows it's the same place but, obviously, many years later.  This also implies nothing using eezo works at all anymore, including FTL drives.

[Gandalf.lotr]

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Gandalf.lotr wrote...

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

I see a few pics but no vids... are there actually vids posted somewhere of the endings?

No because it is illegal to post the videos. But if you get your hands on the preloaded digital edition you can open the bik files.

I still think the pre-loads are locked. We still have to wait I guess.

Nope the files of the preloaded version are in a zip file and unlocked....

Modifié par Gandalf.lotr, 29 février 2012 - 10:29 .

[II3eas7]

N7BLAZEOGLORE wrote...

There is now way someone who got the spaced edition could have beat the game and done everything perfectly. the game is suppose to be like 55 hours long with all the side quest and thats not counting the mulitplayer help neither. they did the first release 5 days ago and the news on this drop yesterday. Thats 4 days to play 55 hours and get enough multiplay points. BioWare and Casey Hudson wouldn't cut their necks on the one.

So was the conclusion that there was no "perfect" ending?

[Magciklibra]

does anybody think your shepard will come out ok and in with their LI?

[turian councilor Knockout]

Quartof wrote...

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

he does believe me i would know, he's knocked out and placed in stasis in a relatively safe place 

The last cutscene shows a stasis pot cracking open, and a turian hand popping out.

Really ? then i succeeded, hooray 

[Carnage752]

Gandalf.lotr wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

I see a few pics but no vids... are there actually vids posted somewhere of the endings?

That's a flaw I find in their "leaks". They can get pictures but not videos out? Pictures (Even those realistic ones) can be photoshopped quite easily, and can be tinkered to bring about said colors and effects. Videos on the other hand are irrefutable. Why not post those? Kinda fishy. But who am I to have hope?

The preloaded version was leaked today on all different kind of shady platforms... the files are there...

And it's not on youtube or some video site yet? People would be all over this if so. And PM me a link to said shady sites. I'll look myself.

Modifié par Carnage752, 29 février 2012 - 10:31 .

[Quartof]

Magciklibra wrote...

does anybody think your shepard will come out ok and in with their LI?

Screw the LI (Not in a literal sense.) I want an ending that actually makes sense and doesn't involve space magic!

[Capeo]

N7BLAZEOGLORE wrote...

There is now way someone who got the spaced edition could have beat the game and done everything perfectly. the game is suppose to be like 55 hours long with all the side quest and thats not counting the mulitplayer help neither. they did the first release 5 days ago and the news on this drop yesterday. Thats 4 days to play 55 hours and get enough multiplay points. BioWare and Casey Hudson wouldn't cut their necks on the one.

Xio did his first playthrough in 23 hours or so and is currently working on an NG+.  The totality of all the endings comes from mined files not what people playing have done yet.

[Ahms]

Ahms wrote...

All I care about is: Does Shepard live or die?

(Yeah, forget about the rest of the galaxy. trollolol)

Guys, can somebody please confirm/deny from what's been leaked so far? Thanks.

My sanity hangs in the balance.

Modifié par Ahms, 29 février 2012 - 10:31 .