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[Goikiu]

Lord Costantino wrote...

Goikiu wrote...

Lord Costantino wrote...

Goikiu wrote...

Have you seen our official launch trailer for Mass Effect 3? The war to #TakeEarthBack begins March 6th!

... And when the war will end?

When we take it back silly 

If you think about it... every time you read some "trailer" of me3 you read, the war begin or begin to take the earth back.
What have they really plotted?  (Don't taking into account the space magic  )

That cursed space magic, we need our own wizard to counter God Child...I vote Gandalf to tag team with Marauder Shields.

Gandalf or Harry Potter is the same, they're both indoctrinated. 

You need to fight yourself. 

[toots1221]

ViperAlvein wrote...

Damn I hate this. Every time I think about going to play Mass Effect again for the story leading up to the horrible ending, I remember the ending and suddenly all motivation and will to play it evaporate and I just sigh. I just want an ending I can enjoy and remember the series by, not this travesty that saps motivation to enjoy it again -.-

A lot of us feel this way.

[Rolling Flame]

Graywolf633 wrote...

clearsnowflakes wrote...

This is the first time I've posted on the SBN, although I've been following it for years on occasion...

...I finished the game exactly two days after it was released, and when it was over, I could not help but stare at the tv and wonder what the hell I did wrong, even though my Shep was a full paragon who had made all the right choices and had done all the side quests, etc... So I decided to look up online to see what other endings there would be. And I realized that there were no other endings, really (I was doubtful at first because I just figured that most people weren't done the game at this point). Now I can't even bring myself to play any of the other ME games, and I refuse to import the rest of my characters only to have such a terrible end.

After that, I was depressed for a good few days before I finally decided to come here and comment in this thread just to show my support for all you wonderful people.

Hold the line!

*sigh* Same here, comrade. I tried to steer clear of all spoilers for ME3 and, when I reached the end, it came as a total shock. Reloaded several times, just to see if it was possible to get the ending I wanted, but quickly found out there is no good ending. Now, I can't even begin my second playthrough as my Renegade Shep. I mean, what's the point?

ME3's ending caused me to get online and come here, too.

Anyway, welcome to the war, soldier. If you're still in need of a laugh or two, I highly recommend watching this.

Commander Shepard's true reaction to the endings of ME3:

CONRAD! MAKE ME PROUD! STOP THE REAPERS!

[Goikiu]

toots1221 wrote...

ViperAlvein wrote...

Damn I hate this. Every time I think about going to play Mass Effect again for the story leading up to the horrible ending, I remember the ending and suddenly all motivation and will to play it evaporate and I just sigh. I just want an ending I can enjoy and remember the series by, not this travesty that saps motivation to enjoy it again -.-

A lot of us feel this way.

You're not alone. For that we're fighting. 

[ViperAlvein]

Lord Costantino wrote...

ViperAlvein wrote...

Damn I hate this. Every time I think about going to play Mass Effect again for the story leading up to the horrible ending, I remember the ending and suddenly all motivation and will to play it evaporate and I just sigh. I just want an ending I can enjoy and remember the series by, not this travesty that saps motivation to enjoy it again -.-

*pats ViperAlvein on the should* You're not alone... 

I know... which is why I love this community! Because we're all in agreeance and we're all standing side by side holding that damn line! Must... succeed... can't let... rEApers win...!

[vboy23]

Friendly reminder for anyone just coming in or if your losing hope.

Sir Arthur Conan Doyle decided at one point to kill of Sherlock Holmes in order to concentrate on his non-fiction works. This prompted his fans to petition for a return of Sherlock Holmes. 

It took almost 10 years. 

Thats right, it took almost 10 years (imagine all those letters) until Sir Doyle decided to resurrect Sherlock Holmes and continued to provide us another half of what has become a classic literary masterpiece.


For our efforts in a span of 9 days here is what has happened since the release.

1)  we have over 1000 pages in our forum. Normally that is nothing special, but when you look inside you will see that these pages are filled with testimony from people of different creed and nations, a majority of which agree there is something wrong with the ending. Threads of this type usually (and I use the term loosely) consist of parties having different opinions of a subject matter especially wih a population sample this large. Yet 90% of this threads' population agree on one simple thing, "the ending is just wrong". 

2) It has been speculated that Bioware is keeping a tight lid on any answers because of the impending release in asia (specifically Japan). Yet only after 2 days there has already been threads from our Japanese friends saying tey are not satisfied with the ending. (thanks in part to tami and what few translators we have). Bioware does not have an excuse anymore to be silent about the matter.

3) Our facebook friends have amassed over 20k consumers (and yes we are not just fans, we are paying customers) and is getting ready for a letter campaign on mar 17. Please participate if you can, the facebook page has the info.

4) The campaign has also started a charity in order for us to channel our feelings in a productive way. Over $50k has been collected so far, and its been only 3 days. There is even an anonymous donor who donated $10k and,from what I've seen, multiple $1k donations already. I and a lot of others have used this to use our disappointment to help others instead of just letting it fume. From the latest calculations too, the average donation has been $22 each, $18 if you take out the 10000 donation. Thats a lot people, in 3 DAYS.

5) There have been multiple articles discussing our campaign. Some good, some bad, others neutral. Forbes has been a huge boom for us since they have been one of the first to actually give us a fair report. I suggest you look up into their articles (links in my sig) to help increase their web traffic, thus increasing their continued interest in our story. Sadly more popular gaming websites (Im looking at you gamespot and IGN) have been less supportive of our plight. I understand if you cant take a firm stand with our efforts, considering you need the business with developers, but at least be fair about it. One of them even insulted us, without even bothering to check the facts of our situation. In that stead, I ask you all to support Forbes/gamefront as they have been unbiased in their articles thus far.

6) The Final Hours app is NOT from Bioware but from another party, so please do not flame them for that. The forums has already been shut down because of that.

7) We are customers, not just fans. We were promised a product of a certain quality, and we expected that when we paid for it. We have the right to question the product if it failed to deliver its promise. 


Remember, we all loved the ME series. That is why we are even bothering to ask what happened wih the ending(s) we were promised. It is because we do not want it to end on such a low note. 

Hold the line!!!

And never forget Marauder Shields!!!

End rant... I need my coffee.

[Lord Costantino]

If anyone needs some pick me up music that goes along with reading this Forum here's some!

Take it Back - By miracle of Sound and Satellite by Rise Against...just throwing them out there.

Hold the Line we are making a difference.

[Yuoaman]

So anything new happen in the last few hours?

[ErMacPE]

Goikiu wrote...

ErMacPE wrote...

Does anyone have a decentish quality pic of Marauder? I want to see about getting a T-shirt printed - maybe something with the legend "Never Forget" along it, and several of the fleet sigs next to it... mmmmm..... *pondering ideas*

will this do?

http://images.wikia....E3_Marauder.png 

Perfect! Now for some ninja-ing on this side

[Prince Lex]

SSV Glasgow, reporting back in. Any news from the nightshift non-GMT'ers?

[Goikiu]

ErMacPE wrote...

Goikiu wrote...

ErMacPE wrote...

Does anyone have a decentish quality pic of Marauder? I want to see about getting a T-shirt printed - maybe something with the legend "Never Forget" along it, and several of the fleet sigs next to it... mmmmm..... *pondering ideas*

will this do?

http://images.wikia....E3_Marauder.png 

Perfect! Now for some ninja-ing on this side

Good to be useful, see ya Soldier. 

[ViperAlvein]

At least all of you and my good friend Jack are keeping me company tonight (And by jack, i mean the drink )

Modifié par ViperAlvein, 16 mars 2012 - 10:04 .

[Lord Costantino]

vboy23 wrote...

Friendly reminder for anyone just coming in or if your losing hope.

Sir Arthur Conan Doyle decided at one point to kill of Sherlock Holmes in order to concentrate on his non-fiction works. This prompted his fans to petition for a return of Sherlock Holmes. 

It took almost 10 years. 

Thats right, it took almost 10 years (imagine all those letters) until Sir Doyle decided to resurrect Sherlock Holmes and continued to provide us another half of what has become a classic literary masterpiece.


For our efforts in a span of 9 days here is what has happened since the release.

1)  we have over 1000 pages in our forum. Normally that is nothing special, but when you look inside you will see that these pages are filled with testimony from people of different creed and nations, a majority of which agree there is something wrong with the ending. Threads of this type usually (and I use the term loosely) consist of parties having different opinions of a subject matter especially wih a population sample this large. Yet 90% of this threads' population agree on one simple thing, "the ending is just wrong". 

2) It has been speculated that Bioware is keeping a tight lid on any answers because of the impending release in asia (specifically Japan). Yet only after 2 days there has already been threads from our Japanese friends saying tey are not satisfied with the ending. (thanks in part to tami and what few translators we have). Bioware does not have an excuse anymore to be silent about the matter.

3) Our facebook friends have amassed over 20k consumers (and yes we are not just fans, we are paying customers) and is getting ready for a letter campaign on mar 17. Please participate if you can, the facebook page has the info.

4) The campaign has also started a charity in order for us to channel our feelings in a productive way. Over $50k has been collected so far, and its been only 3 days. There is even an anonymous donor who donated $10k and,from what I've seen, multiple $1k donations already. I and a lot of others have used this to use our disappointment to help others instead of just letting it fume. From the latest calculations too, the average donation has been $22 each, $18 if you take out the 10000 donation. Thats a lot people, in 3 DAYS.

5) There have been multiple articles discussing our campaign. Some good, some bad, others neutral. Forbes has been a huge boom for us since they have been one of the first to actually give us a fair report. I suggest you look up into their articles (links in my sig) to help increase their web traffic, thus increasing their continued interest in our story. Sadly more popular gaming websites (Im looking at you gamespot and IGN) have been less supportive of our plight. I understand if you cant take a firm stand with our efforts, considering you need the business with developers, but at least be fair about it. One of them even insulted us, without even bothering to check the facts of our situation. In that stead, I ask you all to support Forbes/gamefront as they have been unbiased in their articles thus far.

6) The Final Hours app is NOT from Bioware but from another party, so please do not flame them for that. The forums has already been shut down because of that.

7) We are customers, not just fans. We were promised a product of a certain quality, and we expected that when we paid for it. We have the right to question the product if it failed to deliver its promise. 


Remember, we all loved the ME series. That is why we are even bothering to ask what happened wih the ending(s) we were promised. It is because we do not want it to end on such a low note. 

Hold the line!!!

And never forget Marauder Shields!!!

End rant... I need my coffee.

*standing Ovation*
I like this Human being...I'll stay on this planet because of you.
This is 100% true

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Am I the only one that wants an ending where Shepard doesn't die? I seem to see a lot of people saying that they wouldn't even mind Shep dying if they got a decent ending.

[beyondsolo]

I would like to explain at this point why I think that the "we wanted to make people think about the ending" attitude is a really bad idea.

While the Mass Effect universe contains a fair share of symbolism and references to philosophical concepts, it is not a critical text or philosophical paper. It's a game. And the way this entire game universe was built makes the players care about it, about the story, the characters, the cultures, the lore, everything. Of course there are individual preferences, but players experience a certain amount of emotional investment.

When a person cares about something, a pet for example, they don't want cryptic, thought-provoking answers when it comes to the fate of that pet. I do of course realize that Mass Effect is not alive and therefore the analogy is not perfect, but I believe that it illustrates the point I want to make. If that pet goes missing, we want to know what happened to it, not some fuzzy, pseudo-philosophical response. We want closure, even if it means that something bad happened.

On the other side, a philosophical paper tries to convey a certain concept to break and expand the horizon of the reader's to-date thinking about a specific topic. The ending of Mass Effect does not do that. It is entirely too vague to convey any sort of idea. Uncertainty is a very bad way of argumenting anything.

All that remains in the end is frustration. But we're frustrated because we care. That's why we're holding the line.

Modifié par beyondsolo, 16 mars 2012 - 10:05 .

[Unholy Misery]

I'll be using my Emergency Induction Port to access the Jack Daniels.

[Jetfire99]

Tyrsah wrote...

Alright so, as it seems more and more people are losing faith, I've decided to post a pep talk in true Shepherd fashion.

Look at what we've accomplished. Countless people across many nations have come together in revolt to the travisty thrust upon us. Silence was never an option as individuals and as a group, our voice carries the weight of tens of thousands.

We have gathered our forces and we have held the line. Even in the face of despair we have held one another steady. Resilience, powered by passion and strength of will shall be the what carries us through to victory. Our battle cry has been heard and with a force that shakes the resolve of those who oppose us and strengthens our own.

We are the fleet. We have gathered and we will not falter. We stand for Shepherd just as Shepherd stood for us.

We will not fade quietly into the night! We will not vanish without a fight! WE WILL HOLD THE LINE!

Make Shepherd proud...make yourselves proud.

I never thought this would be easy, heck I never  for a moment made my self think it was an assured thing but I will hold the line on the hope we can make a difference and at the very least? The Chairty drive is worth keeping going for if only that.  Also being not alone in what happened over the ending oddly helped alot.

SSV Sechelt contiuning to hold.

[Ryo Bondiko]

Germany now has a damage control squad? Where can I sign up? Any biotic abilities necessary?

Well, I used to doubt the reality of all the theories, but after watching the real end and reviewing all evidence and videos people crafted to support the Indoctrination I have to agree. It just makes too much sense. I mean "Did anyone make it to the beam?" - "No", is really telling. It is just not possible, that no one watched Shep AND/OR Anderson get up there, at least your squadmates would have seen you get in. And even if you somehow manged to sneak past everyone to get up there, how would Shep have gotten down again? Not like you can jump from a space station with a parachute.... Also Sheps Armor in the last scene is destroyed but not as completely riped off as in the scene on the Citadel.

All of this indicates for me that the whole Citadel scene was a Hallucination, not necessarily Indoctrination, but it was definately in Sheps head.
But and I'd like to paraphrase a very wise man here, "why should that mean it is not real?", even if this all was in Shepards head, it can very well still have happened. The Crucible could still have fired, because Shepard made the decision in his head and the Catalyst read his/her thoughts or made a connection through Harbingers beam with the Commander who was lying in the rubble of London all along. It might not necessarily have been just a charade for Indoctrination.

Obviously though I like the Indoctrination theory more, it has much more potential.

In another thread I read quite a fitting analogy for the end as it is now. It was compared to "The Deathly Hallows" scene with Potter and Dumbledore in King's Cross (London as well, hmm). If the story had ended there it would have been a catastrophe, but it didn't. It went on for another bunch of chapters and became quite a decent story.

So I believe what Bioware is doing now is pretty much MAKING us believe this is the end, because Shepard believes it, when he launches himself in the beams, while the final battle has not even begun yet (it fits with Mister Aldrins "one more story", how can there be one if Shep's dead?).

It is the ultimate breach of the fourth wall, something completely unprecedented in gameplay history, and that is exactly why I believe it to be true. From the beginning of the series few games have had such a big community with such a big impact on the developing, so it does make sense to pretty much make the community not just play the game, but experience it.

I choose to believe that Bioware is better then what we have gotten yet, because they have shown us, I choose to hope, because without it, we could just as well be machines.

Okay, maybe this is desperation speaking out of me, take my idea for what it is. An idea, a ray of hope if you will, nothing more...

Edit: I also would like to point out what a moving thing it is, that people from all around the world are joined in this campaign. It is astonishing to say the least what happens here. Might we be seeing a true international e-democracy in the making?

Modifié par Ryo Bondiko, 16 mars 2012 - 10:13 .

[Goikiu]

xHezz90 wrote...

Am I the only one that wants an ending where Shepard doesn't die? I seem to see a lot of people saying that they wouldn't even mind Shep dying if they got a decent ending.

If you think about it... it doesn't matter if he die, he've survived long in this war, from ME1 to ME3 he have done a lot of incredible tasks. However we think even if he survive that bioware will cut him off like they have already said. ME will go on without him/her.

[ViperAlvein]

xHezz90 wrote...

Am I the only one that wants an ending where Shepard doesn't die? I seem to see a lot of people saying that they wouldn't even mind Shep dying if they got a decent ending.

You're not alone. I for one, don't mind Shepard dying, but... not for the best damn ending! I worked my butt of to get an impossible victory where Shepard can pick himself up, dust himself off, walk through the rubble and stare at the destruction with his crew. "And that's how you win a war!"

[Benirus]

xHezz90 wrote...

Am I the only one that wants an ending where Shepard doesn't die? I seem to see a lot of people saying that they wouldn't even mind Shep dying if they got a decent ending.

Of course everyone would want an ending like that, but what we really want are several endings, not just one magic explosion. I would be fine if they killed him aslong as the ending is well made, but preferably I would want that be one of the 16 endings we where promissed!

Modifié par Benirus, 16 mars 2012 - 10:07 .

[Tyrsah]

ViperAlvein wrote...

Damn I hate this. Every time I think about going to play Mass Effect again for the story leading up to the horrible ending, I remember the ending and suddenly all motivation and will to play it evaporate and I just sigh. I just want an ending I can enjoy and remember the series by, not this travesty that saps motivation to enjoy it again -.-

I second this! Everything just seems so pointless.

[pharsti]

Gotta ask, is there some way to just.... mod the game so this plays as soon as Shepard blacks out on the Anderson scene?

I mean, its made by some random guy out there, and he did a better job with it than BW probably could even IMAGINE.

That would just make my day, there, so we would only get one ending, just like we do now, but at least it would be a GOOD one.

[Copperwings]

xHezz90 wrote...

Am I the only one that wants an ending where Shepard doesn't die? I seem to see a lot of people saying that they wouldn't even mind Shep dying if they got a decent ending.

I too want an ending where Shepard can be reunited with her (his) b!ue godess (or other LI), so you're not alone my friend.

[Elanor]

Morning! Any news since 12 hours?

Modifié par Elanor1, 16 mars 2012 - 10:09 .