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[Benirus]

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

Benirus wrote...

Sigh... I don't know why Penny-arcade think you have to be "True" sci-fi fans to understand the "beauty" of ME3... I actually feel sorry for them if they can take this amount of beating and feel good about it. Also it seems they don't give any proper light to the faults and instead cling onto their "True" sci-fi fan theme...

Well at least now everyone is able to understand why he doesn't have a problem with the ending, in the middle of his rambling, he openly admits that he is not that much of a ME-fan...

Sure, if you are just some casual gamer who doesn't know yet alone care about the backstory, it might actually be fun "to shoot da alienz 'n stuff", but on the other hand you have no right to judge people who complain over things you don't understand in the first place anyway.

Well thankfully they haven't said outright that "the fans are wrong". Tycho actually said he understand why people act this way.

Modifié par Benirus, 16 mars 2012 - 12:19 .

[Prudii Aden]

Vandriel wrote...

Raz0r1205 wrote...

Anybody heared something from our asian fleet?

Theres a post about 2-3 pages back of translated text. Basically they are calling it Rent Effect and can't believe what they did to the franchise. I smell a new NGE.

It's already listed on TV Tropes under Gainax ending. It's at the bottom of the video games section.

Modifié par Prudii Aden, 16 mars 2012 - 12:20 .

[kingsims]

http://drewkarpyshyn...p=381#more-381. Drew talks about the ME3 endings finally, he doesn't seem to agree or disagree with the endings.

[halloween20]

Lord Costantino wrote...

halloween20 wrote...

SSV Rheinland reporting in...

any news ?

how is Marauder Shields ?

Japan forums are blowing up with anger calling Mass Effect "Rent Effect" and they are still silent at Bioware HQ

as aspekted...

more assets for our war

[Lord Costantino]

kingsims wrote...

http://drewkarpyshyn...p=381#more-381. Drew talks about the ME3 endings finally, he doesn't seem to agree or disagree with the endings.

If I were Drew I wouldn't take a certain stand. I mean those WERE his co workers and most likely friends. I wouldn't want to speak ill of my friends but I also don't want to be tossed around by people using "my" name saying things like "Well, Drew said" type of thing. You know what I mean?

[Benirus]

kingsims wrote...

http://drewkarpyshyn...p=381#more-381. Drew talks about the ME3 endings finally, he doesn't seem to agree or disagree with the endings.

Compared to what Drew had planned for the ending, the current one is an abomination. (Please note the info on his idea is unconfirmed as far as I know, but the previus games hints to it)

[TamiBx]

redfield2 wrote...

vboy23 wrote...

redfield2 wrote...

South Korean Biotic Commando reporting in!

And what is Marauder Shields?

He's the last guy you fight before you enter The Citadel. He tried to stop you from seeing the end.
http://social.biowar...ndex/9980598/24

ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ hilarious ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
...
Now I'm guilty for trying to kill him ASAP.. :sick:

OMG!! "ㅋㅋㅋ"!! Haha. Sorry, I had a Korean roommate and when I learned what these ㅋㅋㅋ are, I thought it was hilarious. 

And don't worry, I killed him very fast too.

[eXelorath]

Norwegian vanguard reporting in.

Just finished the game. I’m just as disappointed about the ending as the rest of you. None of our choices matter!

It’s our duty to hold the line. This can’t be the end!

[AAAAAJKKRRRRYZZ]

Calbeb wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

It would be in their best interest to respond to it somehow...

I'm not too sure of that. As of right now, the game has great critical reviews, and has only been out for a week. Many of the big review sites, such as IGN are posting stories about how rediculous fan complaints are.

If they come out and say there is a problem and they have to fix it, which they doubltessly eventually will, that is likely to have some kind of negative impact on sales in the short term.

Yes, but Business 101 is to build brand loyalty.  Sure, a hit in short term could hurt, but alienating a large portion of your consumer base can make a company go belly up.  There are plenty of case studies where companies that announced a cautionary recall wound up being praised later on rather than wait until they were losing tons of money and then say "Sorry, our bad".  Look at Pierre Mineral Water and contrast that with the Ford Tempo.

[Benirus]

eXelorath wrote...

Norwegian vanguard reporting in.

Just finished the game. I’m just as disappointed about the ending as the rest of you. None of our choices matter!

It’s our duty to hold the line. This can’t be the end!

Welcome to the war kinsman! Grab the link from my banner and add it to you're sig, i've been more or less alone representing us so far

[TamiBx]

AAAAAJKKRRRRYZZ wrote...

Calbeb wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

It would be in their best interest to respond to it somehow...

I'm not too sure of that. As of right now, the game has great critical reviews, and has only been out for a week. Many of the big review sites, such as IGN are posting stories about how rediculous fan complaints are.

If they come out and say there is a problem and they have to fix it, which they doubltessly eventually will, that is likely to have some kind of negative impact on sales in the short term.

Yes, but Business 101 is to build brand loyalty.  Sure, a hit in short term could hurt, but alienating a large portion of your consumer base can make a company go belly up.  There are plenty of case studies where companies that announced a cautionary recall wound up being praised later on rather than wait until they were losing tons of money and then say "Sorry, our bad".  Look at Pierre Mineral Water and contrast that with the Ford Tempo.

^ This. Also, people don't forget that easily. 

[FOX216BC]

 Angry JOE Review

http://angryjoeshow....angry-review-2/

[Theory75]

Lord Costantino wrote...

Theory75 wrote...

Good day all, any updates since last night?

Japan forums are calling is "Rent Effect" and Bioware is still silent

Rent Effect....I like it! I hope that the feedback from Japanese players added to ours would finally change something..

[Apfelweinbrauer]

MeldarthX wrote...

That's where we disagree..........as I've stated in my theory and others are starting to see it also.  Indoctrination theory fits so well - not just for Shepard...........but us also..........its planned - all the hints on the tweets; one about the guardian is lieing..........another tweet

I don't deny that the indoctrination theory fits, in fact it would quite well, im just don't believe that BioWare has ANYTHING up its sleeve these days. On the tweets, don't interpret to much in them, seems to be just some insubstancial talk just to calm players down a little bit.

have you finished ME 3?

Please kill me!

What I believe now has happened was BW/EA weren't prepared for just how many people hate the ending.  Love the game; but ending just........ugh.......that's what's caught them off guard.

Have to agree here, although it baffles my mind how anybody at BioWare could have assumed that the fans would like that crap...

[Alamandorious]

TamiBx wrote...

AAAAAJKKRRRRYZZ wrote...

Calbeb wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

It would be in their best interest to respond to it somehow...

I'm not too sure of that. As of right now, the game has great critical reviews, and has only been out for a week. Many of the big review sites, such as IGN are posting stories about how rediculous fan complaints are.

If they come out and say there is a problem and they have to fix it, which they doubltessly eventually will, that is likely to have some kind of negative impact on sales in the short term.

Yes, but Business 101 is to build brand loyalty.  Sure, a hit in short term could hurt, but alienating a large portion of your consumer base can make a company go belly up.  There are plenty of case studies where companies that announced a cautionary recall wound up being praised later on rather than wait until they were losing tons of money and then say "Sorry, our bad".  Look at Pierre Mineral Water and contrast that with the Ford Tempo.

^ This. Also, people don't forget that easily. 

More specifically, people don't tend to forget -negative- events easily; and are more likely to warn other people away from something negative.  It's built into our survival instincts; don't go there, big ugly smelly thing will eat you.

[vboy23]

Benirus wrote...

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

Benirus wrote...

Sigh... I don't know why Penny-arcade think you have to be "True" sci-fi fans to understand the "beauty" of ME3... I actually feel sorry for them if they can take this amount of beating and feel good about it. Also it seems they don't give any proper light to the faults and instead cling onto their "True" sci-fi fan theme...

Well at least now everyone is able to understand why he doesn't have a problem with the ending, in the middle of his rambling, he openly admits that he is not that much of a ME-fan...

Sure, if you are just some casual gamer who doesn't know yet alone care about the backstory, it might actually be fun "to shoot da alienz 'n stuff", but on the other hand you have no right to judge people who complain over things you don't understand in the first place anyway.

Well thankfully they haven't said outright that "the fans are wrong". Tycho actually said he understand why people act this way.

You know something is weird when penny arcade is giving decent reports instead of big game sites

[Lord Costantino]

FOX216BC wrote...

 Angry JOE Review

http://angryjoeshow....angry-review-2/

^this is priceless and VERY accurate.

P.S. I had the EXACT same reaction to the ending. If I was sitting at a table I would have flipped that sucker. 

[TamiBx]

Theory75 wrote...

Lord Costantino wrote...

Theory75 wrote...

Good day all, any updates since last night?

Japan forums are calling is "Rent Effect" and Bioware is still silent

Rent Effect....I like it! I hope that the feedback from Japanese players added to ours would finally change something..

It probably will. They will either boycot it forever or they will start being passive agressive *cough cough* NGEvangelion*cough cough*

On a side note, I love reading their discussions/comments. They sound so disappointed and make mean comments that it turns out to be funny. 

[Prudii Aden]

AAAAAJKKRRRRYZZ wrote...

Yes, but Business 101 is to build brand loyalty.  Sure, a hit in short term could hurt, but alienating a large portion of your consumer base can make a company go belly up.  There are plenty of case studies where companies that announced a cautionary recall wound up being praised later on rather than wait until they were losing tons of money and then say "Sorry, our bad".  Look at Pierre Mineral Water and contrast that with the Ford Tempo.

One example over here is the case of Gerald Ratner and his jewelry company, Ratners. He said on camera that his products were "crap". You can guess what happened next - no Ratners.

[monima]

Benirus wrote...

eXelorath wrote...

Norwegian vanguard reporting in.

Just finished the game. I’m just as disappointed about the ending as the rest of you. None of our choices matter!

It’s our duty to hold the line. This can’t be the end!

Welcome to the war kinsman! Grab the link from my banner and add it to you're sig, i've been more or less alone representing us so far

Hey I am here, just had a the wrong banner for a while, then I nicked yours:D

[TamiBx]

Prudii Aden wrote...

AAAAAJKKRRRRYZZ wrote...

Yes, but Business 101 is to build brand loyalty.  Sure, a hit in short term could hurt, but alienating a large portion of your consumer base can make a company go belly up.  There are plenty of case studies where companies that announced a cautionary recall wound up being praised later on rather than wait until they were losing tons of money and then say "Sorry, our bad".  Look at Pierre Mineral Water and contrast that with the Ford Tempo.

One example over here is the case of Gerald Ratner and his jewelry company, Ratners. He said on camera that his products were "crap". You can guess what happened next - no Ratners.

I don't know why, but this made me laugh 

[Alamandorious]

vboy23 wrote...

Benirus wrote...

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

Benirus wrote...

Sigh... I don't know why Penny-arcade think you have to be "True" sci-fi fans to understand the "beauty" of ME3... I actually feel sorry for them if they can take this amount of beating and feel good about it. Also it seems they don't give any proper light to the faults and instead cling onto their "True" sci-fi fan theme...

Well at least now everyone is able to understand why he doesn't have a problem with the ending, in the middle of his rambling, he openly admits that he is not that much of a ME-fan...

Sure, if you are just some casual gamer who doesn't know yet alone care about the backstory, it might actually be fun "to shoot da alienz 'n stuff", but on the other hand you have no right to judge people who complain over things you don't understand in the first place anyway.

Well thankfully they haven't said outright that "the fans are wrong". Tycho actually said he understand why people act this way.

You know something is weird when penny arcade is giving decent reports instead of big game sites

It's because the big game sites have more to lose if they upset the big companies.

[Apfelweinbrauer]

BlackDevil06 wrote...

Oh my beloved Command & Conquer. I remember listening to "Act on instinct" all day. Good times with an awesome game.

"Just do it" beats that anytime

Really a phantastic game, although the NOD mission in greece drove me almost insane.
But it's really painful to see what the Westwood studios have become now...

[Benirus]

Lord Costantino wrote...

FOX216BC wrote...

 Angry JOE Review

http://angryjoeshow....angry-review-2/

^this is priceless and VERY accurate.

P.S. I had the EXACT same reaction to the ending. If I was sitting at a table I would have flipped that sucker. 

Hehe yeah. Once I got to the Catalyst and got my options explained I was like "WTF, THIS CAN BE RIGHT!" So I googled the endings before making a choice to find out if it actually was that retarded... Turns out it was After that i chose destroy as fast as I could, screw em all!

Hold the line!

[Calbeb]

AAAAAJKKRRRRYZZ wrote...

Calbeb wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

It would be in their best interest to respond to it somehow...

I'm not too sure of that. As of right now, the game has great critical reviews, and has only been out for a week. Many of the big review sites, such as IGN are posting stories about how rediculous fan complaints are.

If they come out and say there is a problem and they have to fix it, which they doubltessly eventually will, that is likely to have some kind of negative impact on sales in the short term.

Yes, but Business 101 is to build brand loyalty.  Sure, a hit in short term could hurt, but alienating a large portion of your consumer base can make a company go belly up.  There are plenty of case studies where companies that announced a cautionary recall wound up being praised later on rather than wait until they were losing tons of money and then say "Sorry, our bad".  Look at Pierre Mineral Water and contrast that with the Ford Tempo.

It's actually a really interesting conundrum. I actually agree with you for a company that is it's own corporate entity, but in this case you have a company which is a creative entity which is under the wing of a larger corporation with a bottom line and financial expectations. EA expect that Mass Effect 3 sells big, and likely would not want Bioware to make creative statements that could harm it's bottom line until there is a clear plan.

What is clear is that Bioware in the long run does respond to criticism. They have been pretty upfront about some of the issues with Dragon Age 2, without ever calling it a disaster, and responded to some of the major complaints in the DLC. They also responded to the controversy over the book by promising rewrites in future editions.

It's very likely that, in the long-term, they assume the amount of people they lose if they respond ot controvery in a month post-release, is less than the amount it would lose if they admitted to flaws out the gate. This is especially true when the flaws can be debated, even if the people debating it are in the minority.

I would be really impressed if they responded quickly, as they doubtlessly expected confusion and interest, but not this level of acid. It's dissapointing that they likely won't.