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FOX216BC wrote...

 Hey guys maybe this is useful?

Especially "the right to be heard" part.

http://en.wikipedia...._Bill_of_Rights


I'm by no means an 'expert' in any of this, but it seems to me that the most relevant part seems to be the very end:

(E) "Truth in packaging"Just as consumers have the right to know what is in their credit contract, so also do they have the right to know what is in the package they buy. Senator Hart and his subcommittee are to be commended for the important investigation they are now conducting into packaging and labeling practices.In our modern society good packaging meets many consumer needs, among them convenience, freshness, safety and attractive appearance. But often in recent years, as the hearings have demonstrated, these benefits have been accompanied by practices which frustrate the consumer's efforts to get the best value for his dollar. In many cases the label seems designed to conceal rather than to reveal the true contents of the package. Sometimes the consumer cannot readily ascertain the net amount of the product, or the ratio of solid contents to air. Frequently he cannot readily compute the comparative costs per unit of different brands packed in odd sizes, or of the same brand in large, giant, king size, or jumbo packages. And he may not realize that changes in the customary size or shape of the package may account for apparent bargains, or that "centsoff" promotions are often not real savings.Misleading, fraudulent or unhelpful practices such as these are dearly incompatible with the efficient and equitable functioning of our free competitive economy. Under our system, consumers have a right to expect that packages will carry reliable and readily useable information about their contents. And those manufacturers whose products are sold in such packages have a right to expect that their competitors will be required to adhere to the same standards. Upon completion of our own survey of these packaging and labeling abuses, in full cooperation with the Senate Subcommittee, I shall make recommendations as to the appropriate roles of private business and the federal Government in improving packaging standards and achieving more specific disclosure of the quantity and ingredients of the product inside the package in a form convenient to and useable by the consumer.As all of us are consumers, these actions and proposals in the interest of consumers are in the interest of us all. The budgetary investment required by these programs is very modest--but they can yield rich dividends in strengthening our free competitive economy, our standard of living and health and our traditionally high ethical patterns of business conduct. Fair competition aids both business and consumer.It is my hope that this Message, and the recommendations and requests it contains, can help alert every agency and branch of government to the needs of our consumers. Their voice is not always as loudly heard in Washington as the voices of smaller and better-organized groups--nor is their point of view always defined and presented. But under our economic as well as our political form of democracy, we share an obligation to protect the common interest in every decision we make. I ask the Congress, and every Department and Agency, to help in the fulfillment of that obligation.JOHN F. KENNEDY


Though in this case they seem to have their bases well-covered. The actual packaging (of the Standard DVD edition) says: "Earth is ground zero in the war to save the galaxy, and how you wage that war is entirely up to you. Groundbreaking interactive storytelling drives the heart-pounding action in which each decision you make could have devastating and deadly consequences"

There's nothing here that contradicts the Casper ending.

The website, on the other hand, says: "Experience the beginning, middle, and end of an emotional story unlike any other, where the decisions you make completely shape your experience and outcome"

As long as the meaning of 'completely shaping ... [the] outcome' remains vague, then it's not really possible to argue 'infringement of the right to truth in packaging'.

Perhaps what's taken place is more like getting screwed over by a friend, rather than a breach of our rights as consumers. I'm afraid pushing for the latter would end up in the other party saying "we did not employ any of those words [in press releases, interviews, advertisements, packaging, etc.] in the way you happen to think we did." -- So, well, essentially a stalemate.

#37102
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The Big Palooka wrote...

Kaykee wrote...
ughhh... guys... this just happened:

http://www.gamepur.c...l#comment-11093

great. Just... just great. I need a drink.


Yeah.  Pretty disgusted, but whatever, you know?  Out of however many thousands of us have spoken up, a couple of the comments are bound to be bad'uns.

Could you link this up? 

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DarthLaxian wrote...

Alamandorious wrote...

Kaykee wrote...

ughhh... guys... this just happened:

http://www.gamepur.c...l#comment-11093

great. Just... just great. I need a drink.


Alright people, get over to the site and leave a comment saying we DON'T WANT this. This will generate bad media, fast.


why not? - they do not seem to listen (hell, i might have been harsh in some of my postings, but I didn't call them names or was all that unfriendly...i just presented harsh oppinions I have) and this might get their attention (it is about time that a video-game-producer got really called on selling a product to us that was wrongly advertised and thus people bought it that would otherwise have told them (EA/Bioware): there is no way you will get money from me for that!)

greetings LAX
PS: (no the complaint is not from me, i am not a US-Citizen...i am from germany if you need to know)


Because right now, we've only done things that has garnered positive media from some pretty big (and lots of small) players.  We start supporting this, we'll lose them, and everything positive we do won't matter.

No, as negative as some of the media has been, we really don't need them to start jumping on this as an indicater that 'see?  They really were just gamers feeling entitled all along'.

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halloween20 wrote...

i hope that is not a sign of "raging hackers" ...
dont want to be a part of a community with attemt to DDOS a side :X


Well, seeing as the asains are just finishing the game...

I kid, I kid. Most likely it's too much traffic or actually is maintainence.

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Hold the line people. We shall have victory! Yeah anything but that Deus Ex Machina (The real term not the video game) ending will be great by me. :)

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Alamandorious wrote...

Alamandorious wrote...

Kaykee wrote...

ughhh... guys... this just happened:

http://www.gamepur.c...l#comment-11093

great. Just... just great. I need a drink.


Alright people, get over to the site and leave a comment saying we DON'T WANT this. This will generate bad media, fast.


Again, re-quoting the original post, and my other one, to emphasize the need to bring the hammer down on this, hard.  No-one here discussed ftc complaints, at all, and nor do we want to go that route.  This will bring bad media down on us.  Get over there and post replies indicating that the vast majority of us do not want this, and if any other articles come up with this, do the same...do not let them think we as a whole, or even a majority, support the action listed in the article.


I wake up and see this? Ahhhh crap, people head on over, we need them to understand this IS NOT ENDORSED by us, also even when posting over there be civil, don't insult the writer.

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PsylenceRD wrote...

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I'm glad to see this thread is remaining true to the movement and not jumping on that FTC band wagon. Just wanted to let you guys know, the Charity cell is still with you and were doing our best to talk that guy and his supporters down from this. While I doubt they have a case the bad PR could kill our chances. Keep up the fight guys, the right way, vocal but polite protests with the ending of dialogue with BW.

Hold The Line,
~R

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AE : You have failed... Releasing control....
ERAWOIB : Wait what have we done ? What are we doing here ?
*Incoming ME fans wave* *Shrooom*~~~

#37110
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Who created this? Its epic lol

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Welsh Inferno wrote...

Who created this? Its epic lol

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Zazabi wrote...

AE : You have failed... Releasing control....
ERAWOIB : Wait what have we done ? What are we doing here ?
*Incoming ME fans wave* *Shrooom*~~~

I never said that :P 

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LethesDeep wrote...

halloween20 wrote...

i hope that is not a sign of "raging hackers" ...
dont want to be a part of a community with attemt to DDOS a side :X


Well, seeing as the asains are just finishing the game...

I kid, I kid. Most likely it's too much traffic or actually is maintainence.


Its scheduled maintainence, I noticed the post about it uesterday, or the day before, they are starting to run together.

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wicked_being wrote...

That guy's probably just trolling. For all we know he's some guy working for Bioware's PR. I mean seriously this happened like a couple of hours ago and the media's already picked this up? Took them a day to pick up on the Retake movement.
And shame on those who are suddenly abandoning our cause at the first sight of trouble. Shame on you. *smh*


The sad thing is, a lot of those who like the current endings and say that everybody who doesn't get it is stupid, are looking or anything to hinder us.

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And they thought this "Space Magic" would go over without a fight heh, even Marauder Shields chose to fight back

#37116
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Guys, please use links to show pictures, not embedding pictures in posts; too many picture posts and we'll lose this thread.

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In a way maybe this is good? As we will see who really holds the line. Those who run at the first sight of trouble, aren't worth to be on the front ;)

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PsylenceRD wrote...

spacefiddle wrote...

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Hey now, the Three Huskateers gave it a go first!


I dunno. I think they were just trying to make a break for it. Shep just takes a blast from rEAper and stands back up? I'd run too.


IMO they knew how bad the ending would be an bailed....

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From twitter:
@masseffect pretty please say that its not over and there's some magical DLC ending on the way you wizards :) I need closure & Kaidan hug :)

@hankhar We have no information about this at the time but please stay tuned!

Modifié par captainbob8383, 16 mars 2012 - 07:21 .


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Dont worry about that petition guys. I'm sure many ppl called BW and swore heavily on the phone or something already. It's important to stay civil. Keep discussing here, donate if u wish, stay calm and HOLD THE LINE no matter what happens.

#37121
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Apart from generating this 'bad publicity', the FTC complaint wouldn't get off the ground in any case, because, well, there really is no provable 'false advertising' here.

Perhaps what's taken place is more like getting screwed over by a friend, rather than a breach of our rights as consumers. It's a matter of morals, not legality. So---I'm afraid pushing for the latter would end up in the other party saying "we did not employ any of those words [in press releases, interviews, advertisements, packaging, etc.] in the way you happen to think we did." -- So, well, essentially a stalemate.

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Menthro wrote...

LethesDeep wrote...

halloween20 wrote...

i hope that is not a sign of "raging hackers" ...
dont want to be a part of a community with attemt to DDOS a side :X


Well, seeing as the asains are just finishing the game...

I kid, I kid. Most likely it's too much traffic or actually is maintainence.


Its scheduled maintainence, I noticed the post about it uesterday, or the day before, they are starting to run together.


I figured as much, but I couldn't pass up that chance for a joke. It was most likely in poor tastse and if you think so I apologize; it's just asian hacker jokes are a staple with me and my friends.

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captainbob8383 wrote...

From twitter:
@masseffect pretty please say that its not over and there's some magical DLC ending on the way you wizards :) I need closure & Kaidan hug :)

@hankhar We have no information about this at the time but please stay tuned!


@masseffect is a bot.

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captainbob8383 wrote...

From twitter:
@masseffect pretty please say that its not over and there's some magical DLC ending on the way you wizards :) I need closure & Kaidan hug :)

@hankhar We have no information about this at the time but please stay tuned!


To be honest they can not say much either way at this point. Also, twitter seems bot responces and stock responces in the main and thus rather pointless to me.

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Memengwa wrote...

In a way maybe this is good? As we will see who really holds the line. Those who run at the first sight of trouble, aren't worth to be on the front ;)


Right on girl!