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[bowery tuff]

WvStolzing wrote...

Menthro wrote...

WvStolzing wrote...

Apart from generating this 'bad publicity', the FTC complaint wouldn't get off the ground in any case, because, well, there really is no provable 'false advertising' here.

Perhaps what's taken place is more like getting screwed over by a friend, rather than a breach of our rights as consumers. It's a matter of morals, not legality. So---I'm afraid pushing for the latter would end up in the other party saying "we did not employ any of those words [in press releases, interviews, advertisements, packaging, etc.] in the way you happen to think we did." -- So, well, essentially a stalemate.

It doesn't matter if it gets off the ground or not at this point, unless steps are taken to SHOW that the retake mass effect movement does not support this, then it is incredably damaging to us.

Can we set up a website for that? Or a press release? I don't know how these things work, so....

It would be difficult because this still a large group of fans and not really an organization. The best way to do something like that would be for someone in a leadership position to make a statement. The most likely person would be whoever started Retake ME3 or the Child's Play drive. That person would need to say something in the effect of this was the actions of one fan and not condoned by Retake ME3. If this is indeed just one person doing this, I would encourage the spokesperson to point out any inaccuracies in the article, but be extremely respectful.

[samiamX]

Bioware says they’re listening – so I thought I’d add my thoughts into the mix.

I was out of the country for a month on business when ME3 was released – completely suck**** timing – so missed the preview in its entirety and the release day by several days. My preorder (ordered before my trip was scheduled) was waiting for me when I got home…glorious, I thought! I went dark on the boards once the game was released until I finished my first play through. I started playing on the 11th and finished last night. As with the most of what I am now reading – I loved the game: game play changes, the increased squadmate interactions…them interacting with each other, the deaths of some were expected and for the most part moving, I won’t belabor…many, many people have chimed in on these aspects of the game…and then the ending came. I have to say…Bioware screwed the pooch on the ending. Even if they release DLC to provide alternatives…I CAN’T UNSEE THAT ENDING.

I played through both ME1 & ME2 multiple times on both PC and Xbox 360. Right now…I’m not sure I’ll play through ME3 again…and I bought the CE this time (Xbox). I am totally disheartened by the ending. Why bother…the galaxy is screwed no matter what.

I do not have an issue with Shepard making the ultimate sacrifice. However, considering that you are supposed to get different endings depending on how you played through…I would have been nice to have one with a happy ending…but that is not so.

My play through: SP only, no MP or IOS, I had planned to include MP in a second play through to see how the dynamics changed…I now doubt they do much. I did every last side quest available, united the Galaxy, maxed out the resources as much as possible – explored everything – which is how I run my first play through on RPG’s. Only to find you meet some dues ex machine star child and have to pick a color. And regardless of which color you pick…things turn out pretty much identically crappy for the galaxy.

I don’t mind a dark ending…but I would like one that is relevant to the story arc…and makes some semblance of sense.  And provides some measure of closure.  And good gods…order vs chaos…is there any more overplayed trope in RPG’s than that?

Ending 1 – Red Light - Destroy the Reapers…and all synthetic life, including yourself…the geth…EDI…and oh by the way, the citadel and Mass Relays. Joker escapes to some strange planet…and Liara and Javik get off with the Normandy him. They happen to be the two SM Shepard took on the final mission with her. How on Earth (literally) did they get back on the Normandy when they were at Shepard’s side…did they not run toward the beam of light with her…why not? I think both of those characters would have followed Shepard (Liara was LI and Javik was already planning suicide afterwards) on that final push. I’m confused.

Reload the mission start…wade through the sequence again…sigh and wait…

Ending 2 – Blue Light – Control the Reapers…Shepard dies or ceases to exist as is…again…and oh by the way the citadel and Mass Relays are destroyed…why? Sound familiar? The ending scene plays out IDENTICAL to the previous…except the color changed. And oh by the way, I selected a different combination of Paragon/Renegade dialogue options and TIM killed himself instead of Shepard shooting him. Okay…that was different…but wait…exactly the same as Saren. Sigh.

Reload the mission start…wade through the sequence again…sigh and wait…

Ending 3 – Green Light – Synthesis…but Shepard sacrifices herself to make it happen…of course…and oh by the way the Mass Relays are still destroyed. This time, instead of Javik getting off the Normandy with Joker and Liara…EDI does. And Joker is all cyborgy now…but still limps.

After all the work of uniting the galaxy, no matter what you do it is devastated. With the Mass Relays gone…all the forces that converged on Earth are now stuck there…now way to go home. So what now…do these remaining factions go to war for what remains of Earth’s resources, which have been obliterated? You can bet the Krogans are pissed…they certainly didn’t bring any of their valuable, newly fertile, females with them – they will die out. Unless the Quarians also brought their live ships with them…they and the Turians will starve to death. Any solar system that had a Mass Relay in it likely dies out when its relay explodes…akin to the Batarian colonies during Arrival. Is the Sol relay far enough away that it did not destroy Earth and the united forces of the galaxy circling it when it exploded?

Bioware is famous for their epilogues…I’ve been playing their RPG’s since Baldur’s Gate (yes, when it came out…not as downloaded off of GOG.com, though I did replay it again a year or so ago). We do not get one here…
We are left with nothing but a post-apocalyptic galaxy and a ton of questions. I wish I could unsee that ending.

Modifié par samiamX, 16 mars 2012 - 07:51 .

[confuciusFinn]

wicked_being wrote...

confuciusFinn wrote...

wicked_being wrote...

BlackDevil06 wrote...

wicked_being wrote...

That guy's probably just trolling. For all we know he's some guy working for Bioware's PR. I mean seriously this happened like a couple of hours ago and the media's already picked this up? Took them a day to pick up on the Retake movement.
And shame on those who are suddenly abandoning our cause at the first sight of trouble. Shame on you. *smh*

The sad thing is, a lot of those who like the current endings and say that everybody who doesn't get it is stupid, are looking or anything to hinder us.

Yep it's sad. And it's also sad that the guy who actually brought that thread to our attention and was initially asking for "help" was the first to jump ship.

I wouldn't be so quick to bash this guy, he feels strongly like the rest of us and was overly frustrated--I can understand where he came from. Everyone makes mistakes, let this one go for all our sakes.

Oh alright alright I'll let it go. And thank you for calming me down. I owe you a drink soldier.


For real now, good night. Keep holding the line!

I take a drink tonight for you tonight, god knows I've been in your position of about to explode....

[ashley_actually]

Generic Name wrote...

ashley_actually wrote...

DON'T PANIC
Know where your towel is.
Hold the line.
Remember Marauder Shields and his sacrifice.
Be good to each other.

I lost my towel when I fell into a plot hole .

Sucking my thumb and holding the line.

Don't worry soldier I brought extra towels. 

[toots1221]

Kaykee wrote...

ughhh... guys... this just happened:

http://www.gamepur.c...l#comment-11093

great. Just... just great. I need a drink.

This is not good. I hope Bioware knows the majority of us don't support this.

[SlvrNight]

confuciusFinn wrote...

As someone mentioned before I wonder when the CEO of EA will finish ME3 and be like, WTF--cancel all his meetings and drive straight to BW headquarters and demand an answer.

I would laugh quite a bit if that actually happened. Most definitley won't, but it'd be pretty good.

[Memengwa]

LethesDeep wrote...

They told us this is what we would get. If something had chaged during development they should have changed their statements to more accurately reflect the final product. They didn't, which means they started using lies to sell the product (false advertisement). IMO, those guys filing complaints have a decent case.

In truth, I don't disagree with that. But I think it's too early for this. It's not why the line is being held, we are trying to give BioWare the benefit of the doubt, to make an explenation to do something. Especially since usually we have a good communication with BioWare.

FTC complaint (at least for me) is something you do when you're and your complaint to the company that it is about, is being ignored by that company. It's only been so long since the game even came out. Yes, we claim we've been lied to, but lets BioWare answer first, or wait a few weeks. THEN if nothing happens do the deed.

I think it would even look better if everyone from the line did this in their own countries. THEN it would have merit. For now it doesn't.

[mCorfe]

That ending scene with normandy running looks like it's being sucked into some sort of anomaly. I remember some scientist saying that one could expect a striped yellow/pink elephant jumping out of an anomaly because in case of such phenomenon everything is possible. That would explain why my dear Tali was there with Joker and EDI on this odd planet. But if thats what BW wanted to express... well they either need to fire the one who came up with that or fix it asap...

...COZ THE LINE WILL NOT BREAK!

[Generic Name]

ashley_actually wrote...
Don't worry soldier I brought extra towels.

Happily holding the line.

[DarthLaxian]

Alamandorious wrote...

Because right now, we've only done things that has garnered positive media from some pretty big (and lots of small) players.  We start supporting this, we'll lose them, and everything positive we do won't matter.

No, as negative as some of the media has been, we really don't need them to start jumping on this as an indicater that 'see?  They really were just gamers feeling entitled all along'.

and why for the love of god, can't i feel entitled after what they promised in interviews and on the web and it not being like that at all in the end (i am not saying that I might not have bought the game, but i would not have a) pre-ordered and bought a DDE - i would have gone to the store some months after it had been released....) so yeah, they would have gotten less money out of me, so IMHO they SCAMMED US - so they scammed YOU, too and you want to be extremly polite and have a chat, when they do not even respond to you banging on their door and crying/screaming to be heard?...yeah, i was supporting this (still am), but they are trying my patience (i admit that i am not a patient person, but this silence of their's has gone on long enough anyway!)....so i started thinking that something like this needed to happen (again: i didn't do it...i would not have either, because i dislike dragging people to court etc.)...well i hope your/our way works, still...but if they continue like that, a lot of other people (in the end, i might to jump ship on this, i must admit) will stop supporting us and only see us as "all bark and no bite"...

i hope this all works out...though i will laugh, if that person had the right idea (i might be angry, too, as i did not think of filing something similar with a consumer-rights-organisation in germany)

greetings LAX

[BlackDevil06]

confuciusFinn wrote...


I wouldn't be so quick to bash this guy, he feels strongly like the rest of us and was overly frustrated--I can understand where he came from. Everyone makes mistakes, let this one go for all our sakes.

True, but we got that far with a cool head. We need to keep it.

[WvStolzing]

toots1221 wrote...

Kaykee wrote...

ughhh... guys... this just happened:

http://www.gamepur.c...l#comment-11093

great. Just... just great. I need a drink.

This is not good. I hope Bioware knows the majority of us don't support this.

You can leave a brief comment on that page about that. Many of us already have.

[Vandriel]

Thing to remember about that thread and that article people, Bioware isn't going to be going to news sites to find out what the fans think. To do that they are going to be looking right here, They, or the mods at the very least. Already know we don't support it.

[KHReborn]

Vandriel wrote...

KHReborn wrote...

Hey People, just arived from a party. What is this thing with the FTC?

Btw what is FTC (I'm from germany).

Hold the line!

Never forget Marauder Shields.

US Agency that you go to to file complaints about advertising and products, it won't get off the ground obviously. But it does let the media paint us in a bad light, go over there and post a comment (you don't register or anything so it takes no time at all).

Thank you. I know i could have this question googled, but i was like BW: lazy

When I look at the comments i see, that damage control is in progress.

[Prince Lex]

Guys please remember that if you're leaving comments on the stupid exaggeration article here, to also VOTE IT DOWN.

Click the lowest score (1) so that anyone that reads it will wonder why and read the comments. Hold the line!

[alberta]

I'm not in this for the media attention one way or the other. They are perfectly free to write what ever they wish - I'm an adult and that's really easy to take after the ME 3 ending. BUT that cuts both ways as well. Many gaming sites are off my list forever and I will never trust them again.

If a fan or fans wants to take action - so be it - the entire gaming industry needs to be changed anyway. If I want art I'll look at picture or go to a museum - that was NOT the deal between me and BW. BW would produce a video game from mass marketing and at no time have I ever indicated by my choices I was in the market for art.

Next, I'm not a crazed fan and I don't care who thinks otherwise - I'm a consumer and I carefully buy products that appeal to me. MY money my choices. My decisions are so far from the crazed fan image I no longer give a damn.

Yes, this ending made this fan do something he/she never, ever wished to have happened and I can't personally blame he/she. They never asked nor agreed to art either. And if anyone is in this for how the press thinks of our displeasure - then YOU are in for a heck of a lot of needless emotion and pain that never should have affected you in the first place.

[TheBull]

The Indoctrination theory is maybe the only thing that keeps me going (and you all of course are always there to dust me off) if that wouldn't exist i would have never gone to this forum or researched the internet about this goddamn ending(s).

[Memengwa]

Vandriel wrote...

KHReborn wrote...

Hey People, just arived from a party. What is this thing with the FTC?

Btw what is FTC (I'm from germany).

Hold the line!

Never forget Marauder Shields.

US Agency that you go to to file complaints about advertising and products, it won't get off the ground obviously. But it does let the media paint us in a bad light, go over there and post a comment (you don't register or anything so it takes no time at all).

I think this is German counterpart

http://www.vzbv.de/

[spacefiddle]

Apparently the @masseffect twitter approves of childish idiots calling us "spoiled ****ing ****s" - this is more weight towards the argument that the twitter feed is just a bot. And right after I left a comment on that Forbes article agreeing with him, wish I could delete it:

Finch Lynch ‏ @finchlynch

Regarding the @masseffect 3 ending and people protesting it: I think you're spoiled ****ing ****s and cant wait til you have real problems.

@finchlynch We like your new avatar Very serious!

[Kuranai3]

Back from work and holding the line. Any news?

[mulder1199]

confuciusFinn wrote...

As someone mentioned before I wonder when the CEO of EA will finish ME3 and be like, WTF--cancel all his meetings and drive straight to BW headquarters and demand an answer.

he has himself listed on the EA site as currently playing ME 3

[Dudemanley]

"Buy Dragon Age 3 to see the real ending to the Mass Effect trilogy, June 2014"

FUUUUUU (it's a what if though, chill)