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[LilyasAvalon]

I don't understand how some people are just claiming we want a 'Disney ending', what's so Disney about the relays destroyed, millions dead, hundreds of planets traumtised... but Shepard NOT being forever alone or dead and ACTUALLY being about to still be with their LI/crew/squad?

[Capeo]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

oh brother wrote...

Yes, it is escapism, I want to at least have the opportunity to enjoy the game and leave happy. Not be told that a happy ending is unrealistic because the giant space robots are tough.

Escapism falls into many categories. Some people intentionally watch television shows that make them cry. Some people want all their endings to invoke smiles and/or victorious fist-pumps.

In any case, it is unrealistic. If you don't want us to tell you that, however, I have a neuralizer on hand. I could make you forget if you like, and hopefully after that no one will tell you!

Oh come now, the entire game is unrealistic.  That's no excuse for a lack of optional outcomes.  They're already throwing the catch all weapon of the crucible in there.  They could have made it capable of whatever they wanted.

[Capeo]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

I don't understand how some people are just claiming we want a 'Disney ending', what's so Disney about the relays destroyed, millions dead, hundreds of planets traumtised... but Shepard NOT being forever alone or dead and ACTUALLY being about to still be with their LI/crew/squad?

Precisely what I said earlier.

[Teredan]

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

*takes some sleep pills and wakes up when the last post is posted* btw make peace with yourself not everything is sunshine and happiness, DEAL WITH IT

Haha, I like how your post has the only intention of rallying people up.
I like how your post is displaying your view in an egocentral manner which invalids every other attitude one might have.
I like how thin the outlook that is displayed in your post is.
Your post was very amusing thank you!

[HiddenKING]

Arthas9 wrote...

Am I the only one who loves the concept of the story's ending? Now the whole saga makes sense. Shepard, one single person stops the vitually unstopable by using or destroying their heritage, tools of manipulation and yes, the technological wonders all galactic civilizations were based and founded on, even sacraficing his own life or his chance to be with his loved ones. This is what I call a true hero... a real legend. Yes, he's pushing the whole galactic community back into a dark age, but in the mean time he breaks the Cycle, stops the Reapers once and for all and gives the living a chance for a new start. This whole fight never meant to be a happy one or an easy one without it's sacrifices and tolls. It's a heroic poem of a game about an apocalyptic event being evaded with some unpleasent consequences. It also gives a nice closure to the whole saga and it's lore. I'm happy that Bio didn't take the usual Hollywood-crap path and took the story back to it's gritty but miraculous sc-fi roots we all loved the first game for. I'm shocked and pleased at the same time! Thank you Bio!

Oh, and for the record: The Reapers were harvesting whole galactic civilizations, cultures and races for millions of years. This ancient, enigmatic race (who's origin remains covered by mistery) with such uncomprihensive knowledge and technology was literally invincible. Let's not forget that they had created the first reaper starships, or I'd rather say that they became those powerful starships themselves - by this not only creating huge collective overminds with the knowledge and conscious of billions of individuals, but also finding a way to become immortal. It was them who truly taimed eezo technology and found a way to use it for intergalactic travel by creating the mass relay system and the Citadell (a huge mass relay and their center of society. They found a way to indoctrinate other sapient races. They manipulated and observed every single technologically advanced civilization by their heritage (the beforementioned technological marvels and by their sentinels. Basically they supposed to know everything about "us" (via the Keepers, Collectors, Sovereign, the Guardian) while "we" don't know anything about them (hell, almost nobody beleived in them until their arrival). The only thing Shepard knows about them beside their existence is that they are more powerful than anything in the galaxy and that they are coming. How on Earth (no pun intended) anyone supposed to stop or destroy them just like that in a few months (years if you count the ones spent by Shepards investigation and absence). Everyone was so angry with the rumors of a "deus ex machina" kind of secret weapon that would have made it all sound and easy - so here you go, it's not such a closure.  I find this ending very-very epic, lifelike and thoughtful. 

To all those who mourn their love interests and a happy ending in the arms of their virtual lover: ME is not and never intended to be a love story. It is just another aspect that makes the game more personal and emotionally involving. I also think that the ending makes the story of the romances more satisfying in many ways and the sacrafice a more meaningful one. I can hardly imagine Shepard the warriorbad asshero setting down with his lover and living a quiet and happy life in some remote, peaceful, sunny and idealistic place. So is the life of epic heroes, living legends and so their love becomes immortal.

Ps.: Seeing so many people unhappy I see - with the many upcoming DLC-s - some DLC coming with missions or assets that would change the ending as well.

I agree. I'm really lovin it. Yes the people that I've come to know may not have happy endings, but it's war, and survival. I feel that a Shepard that survives would lead to a sequel, and Mass Effect 3 should be the end of Shepard's Story. I love the Mass Effect Universe, and it doesn't need to end with Shepard I want to experience more of it. I want a new story, one that doesn't revolve around the 2 dozen or so people of the past 2 games.

[Kanmuru]

llandwynwyn wrote...

I would be ok with the endings if there was no pathetic flashback forcing characters that I don't like as important to my Shepard and if the Normandy alien crew fate wasn't so terrible. It's bad for the humans/asari too, but what did Garrus and Tali do to deserve such a fate?

Oh, and I hope Joker doesn't reproduce. That's a recipe for disaster in such a small gene pool. lol

That spoiler is wrong, it dosent happen like that...

The spoiler says hacketts face appears, but in the game it was anderson (the player was romancing liara so we dont know about the other part...)

Modifié par Kanmuru, 28 février 2012 - 04:40 .

[turian councilor Knockout]

Teredan wrote...

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

*takes some sleep pills and wakes up when the last post is posted* btw make peace with yourself not everything is sunshine and happiness, DEAL WITH IT

Haha, I like how your post has the only intention of rallying people up.
I like how your post is displaying your view in an egocentral manner which invalids every other attitude one might have.
I like how thin the outlook that is displayed in your post is.
Your post was very amusing thank you!

 yeah well i have no other method to kill time but if it makes everyone feel better yes i share most of the views others have but i don't feel like wasting energy on it and no probs just ask and i will make another more offensive.

Modifié par turian councilor Knockout, 28 février 2012 - 04:40 .

[magnuskn]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

I don't understand how some people are just claiming we want a 'Disney ending', what's so Disney about the relays destroyed, millions dead, hundreds of planets traumtised... but Shepard NOT being forever alone or dead and ACTUALLY being about to still be with their LI/crew/squad?

It's because they hate the very idea that people get options they don't like.

Modifié par magnuskn, 28 février 2012 - 04:39 .

[Arthas9]

xtorma wrote...

Arthas9 wrote...

Am I the only one who loves the concept of the story's ending? Now the whole saga makes sense. Shepard, one single person stops the vitually unstopable by using or destroying their heritage, tools of manipulation and yes, the technological wonders all galactic civilizations were based and founded on, even sacraficing his own life or his chance to be with his loved ones. This is what I call a true hero... a real legend. Yes, he's pushing the whole galactic community back into a dark age, but in the mean time he breaks the Cycle, stops the Reapers once and for all and gives the living a chance for a new start. This whole fight never meant to be a happy one or an easy one without it's sacrifices and tolls. It's a heroic poem of a game about an apocalyptic event being evaded with some unpleasent consequences. It also gives a nice closure to the whole saga and it's lore. I'm happy that Bio didn't take the usual Hollywood-crap path and took the story back to it's gritty but miraculous sc-fi roots we all loved the first game for. I'm shocked and pleased at the same time! Thank you Bio!

Oh, and for the record: The Reapers were harvesting whole galactic civilizations, cultures and races for millions of years. This ancient, enigmatic race (who's origin remains covered by mistery) with such uncomprihensive knowledge and technology was literally invincible. Let's not forget that they had created the first reaper starships, or I'd rather say that they became those powerful starships themselves - by this not only creating huge collective overminds with the knowledge and conscious of billion individuals, but also finding a way to become immortal. It was them who truly taimed eezo technology and found a way to use it for intergalactic travel by creating the mass relay system and the Citadell (a huge mass relay and their center of society. They found a way to indoctrinate other sapient races. They manipulated and observed every single technologically advanced civilization by their heritage (the beforementioned technological marvels and by their sentinels. Basically they supposed to know everything about "us" (via the Keepers, Collectors, Sovereign, the Guardian) while "we" don't know anything about them (hell, almost nobody beleived in them until their arrival). The only thing Shepard knows about them beside their existence is that they are more powerful than anything in the galaxy and that they are coming. How on Earth (no pun intended) anyone supposed to stop or destroy them just like that (everyone was so angry with the rumors of a "deus ex machina" kind of secret weapon that would make it all sound and easy - so here you go, it's not such a closure). I find this ending very-very epic, lifelike and thoughtful.

To all those who mourn their love interests and a happy ending in the arms of their virtual lover: ME is not and never intended to be a love story. It is just another aspect that makes the game more personal and emotionally involving. I also think that the ending makes the story of the romances more satisfying in many ways and sacrafice a more meaningful one. I can hardly imagine Shepard the warriorbad asshero setting down with his lover and living a quiet and happy life in some remote, peaceful, sunny and idealistic place. So is the life of epic heroes, living legends and so their love becomes immortal.

Ps.: Seeing so many people unhappy I see - with the many upcoming DLC-s - some DLC coming with missions or assets that would change the ending as well.

I already read Dune.

I simply want the choice to walk off into the sunset My way , like i did in mask of the betrayer. Whichever ending you chose in that game, it did not detract from the journey. Knowing I can't win ruins it for me. It dropped the value of the game significantly for me. Now I will wait till it's 10 bucks on some download site

Well, you actually do win. Only you can not achive a jackpot kind of victory with glorious toasts, fireworks and the kisses of your space-babe. The only aspect I find kind of sad is that whole galactic community suffers the consequences of your victory by losing the mass relays, though it's still not clear wether they do destroy in all possible endings. I only find this fact kind of sad (after all that you went through with them and started to love and care about the universe of ME)... just like in Dune where the Shai Huluds die and all the Spice on Dune vanquish so goes space traveling (man, that was one great book!...didn't like the sequels though). But I also understand what you mean when you say that you miss the freedom of choice in all of it - takes away the illusion of creating your own story with it's own ending. Although I wouldn't push away the pleasure of playing this amazing game with an aweinspiring story and characters because I'm not overly satisfied with it's ending. 

[CerberusSoldier]

Arthas9 wrote...

Am I the only one who loves the concept of the story's ending? Now the whole saga makes sense. Shepard, one single person stops the vitually unstopable by using or destroying their heritage, tools of manipulation and yes, the technological wonders all galactic civilizations were based and founded on, even sacraficing his own life or his chance to be with his loved ones. This is what I call a true hero... a real legend. Yes, he's pushing the whole galactic community back into a dark age, but in the mean time he breaks the Cycle, stops the Reapers once and for all and gives the living a chance for a new start. This whole fight never meant to be a happy one or an easy one without it's sacrifices and tolls. It's a heroic poem of a game about an apocalyptic event being evaded with some unpleasent consequences. It also gives a nice closure to the whole saga and it's lore. I'm happy that Bio didn't take the usual Hollywood-crap path and took the story back to it's gritty but miraculous sc-fi roots we all loved the first game for. I'm shocked and pleased at the same time! Thank you Bio!

Oh, and for the record: The Reapers were harvesting whole galactic civilizations, cultures and races for millions of years. This ancient, enigmatic race (who's origin remains covered by mistery) with such uncomprihensive knowledge and technology was literally invincible. Let's not forget that they had created the first reaper starships, or I'd rather say that they became those powerful starships themselves - by this not only creating huge collective overminds with the knowledge and conscious of billions of individuals, but also finding a way to become immortal. It was them who truly taimed eezo technology and found a way to use it for intergalactic travel by creating the mass relay system and the Citadell (a huge mass relay and their center of society. They found a way to indoctrinate other sapient races. They manipulated and observed every single technologically advanced civilization by their heritage (the beforementioned technological marvels and by their sentinels. Basically they supposed to know everything about "us" (via the Keepers, Collectors, Sovereign, the Guardian) while "we" don't know anything about them (hell, almost nobody beleived in them until their arrival). The only thing Shepard knows about them beside their existence is that they are more powerful than anything in the galaxy and that they are coming. How on Earth (no pun intended) anyone supposed to stop or destroy them just like that in a few months (years if you count the ones spent by Shepards investigation and absence). Everyone was so angry with the rumors of a "deus ex machina" kind of secret weapon that would have made it all sound and easy - so here you go, it's not such a closure.  I find this ending very-very epic, lifelike and thoughtful. 

To all those who mourn their love interests and a happy ending in the arms of their virtual lover: ME is not and never intended to be a love story. It is just another aspect that makes the game more personal and emotionally involving. I also think that the ending makes the story of the romances more satisfying in many ways and the sacrafice a more meaningful one. I can hardly imagine Shepard the warriorbad asshero setting down with his lover and living a quiet and happy life in some remote, peaceful, sunny and idealistic place. So is the life of epic heroes, living legends and so their love becomes immortal.

Ps.: Seeing so many people unhappy I see - with the many upcoming DLC-s - some DLC coming with missions or assets that would change the ending as well.

   



Go ahead buy into Bioware 's god awful and crappy story telling . but I promise you Metal Gear Solid 4 and Gears of War 3 had better endings . Than this piece of trash

[xtorma]

Teredan wrote...

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

*takes some sleep pills and wakes up when the last post is posted* btw make peace with yourself not everything is sunshine and happiness, DEAL WITH IT

Haha, I like how your post has the only intention of rallying people up.
I like how your post is displaying your view in an egocentral manner which invalids every other attitude one might have.
I like how thin the outlook that is displayed in your post is.
Your post was very amusing thank you!

they call it.....Trolling

[Nathan Redgrave]

Teredan wrote...

No they aren't if you put context to them.
Remember that a paragon shepard can practically reform quite a lot of guys with his talking?
That is giving fans the good outcome they want.

It's giving them a diplomatic outcome if they want. I don't remember many cases of "reforming," beyond Helena Blake's potential turn to social work. Most of the time the charm options only succeed in convincing someone to do or not do something because it's more or less conductive to their own interests than they thought it was--example, convincing Finch not to do a smear job, convincing Jeong that letting Shepard take care of the Thorian and then funding colonial restoration would be a sound business investment. You're not changing people, you're just talking them down. Which is normal, if not always presented in the most realistic of ways.

If ME really were about the things you said it was than some of the guys paragon shepard reformed
would have just lied at that moment. But none of them do they all turn good.

Yes, all one of them.

EDIT: Major Kyle wasn't evil, just traumatized.

Modifié par Nathan Redgrave, 28 février 2012 - 04:40 .

[SpiderFan1217]

Ok, let me see if I got this right... STOP..... SPOILERS



















Shep and co. Destroy all Reaper tech I.E. Mass Relays, weapons, Ship Etc. Etc. And he/she's stuck on some random planet. That does not mean he/she will be there for ever right? If anyone has a link to a source that definatly says Shep is stuck till death please PM me.

Modifié par SpiderFan1217, 28 février 2012 - 04:41 .

[Taleroth]

Said it before, and knowing my interest in repeating myself, I will say it again.

The ending I desire is the consistent one. I want the ending forshadowed by previous events. I want to see the ending in advance and see how it all fits together. I want to see what Virmire means. I want to see what the suicide mission means. Does sacrificing a crew member for the good of the mission have any relevance? Does working hard to save everyone (except those poor nameless colonists) have any relevance? Is it foreshadowing, is it character growth overcoming old hardships?

Or is it just tossed together based on the whim of the moment?

Modifié par Taleroth, 28 février 2012 - 04:41 .

[turian councilor Knockout]

xtorma wrote...

Teredan wrote...

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

*takes some sleep pills and wakes up when the last post is posted* btw make peace with yourself not everything is sunshine and happiness, DEAL WITH IT

Haha, I like how your post has the only intention of rallying people up.
I like how your post is displaying your view in an egocentral manner which invalids every other attitude one might have.
I like how thin the outlook that is displayed in your post is.
Your post was very amusing thank you!

they call it.....Trolling

Ahem but i call it fun 

[LilyasAvalon]

Capeo wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

I don't understand how some people are just claiming we want a 'Disney ending', what's so Disney about the relays destroyed, millions dead, hundreds of planets traumtised... but Shepard NOT being forever alone or dead and ACTUALLY being about to still be with their LI/crew/squad?

Precisely what I said earlier.

It's not like we're asking ALL 7 endings to be changed either, I have NO problem with all those endings. I DO have a problem with the fact that THEY'RE ALL PRETTY MUCH THE SAME ENDING.

[Kanmuru]

I love how everyone who played the game loved it, but the rest of the forums who only have incomplete spoilers are trowing a hissy fit...

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

turian councilor Knockout wrote...
not everything is sunshine and happiness, DEAL WITH IT

Yup, but I play video games to forget how crappy real life can be at times.

[Kanmuru]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Capeo wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

I don't understand how some people are just claiming we want a 'Disney ending', what's so Disney about the relays destroyed, millions dead, hundreds of planets traumtised... but Shepard NOT being forever alone or dead and ACTUALLY being about to still be with their LI/crew/squad?

Precisely what I said earlier.

It's not like we're asking ALL 7 endings to be changed either, I have NO problem with all those endings. I DO have a problem with the fact that THEY'RE ALL PRETTY MUCH THE SAME ENDING.

NO they arent, you can destroy the reapers or control/merge with them... HOW THE HELL IS THAT THE SAME ****ING THING?

[xtorma]

Arthas9 wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Arthas9 wrote...

Am I the only one who loves the concept of the story's ending? Now the whole saga makes sense. Shepard, one single person stops the vitually unstopable by using or destroying their heritage, tools of manipulation and yes, the technological wonders all galactic civilizations were based and founded on, even sacraficing his own life or his chance to be with his loved ones. This is what I call a true hero... a real legend. Yes, he's pushing the whole galactic community back into a dark age, but in the mean time he breaks the Cycle, stops the Reapers once and for all and gives the living a chance for a new start. This whole fight never meant to be a happy one or an easy one without it's sacrifices and tolls. It's a heroic poem of a game about an apocalyptic event being evaded with some unpleasent consequences. It also gives a nice closure to the whole saga and it's lore. I'm happy that Bio didn't take the usual Hollywood-crap path and took the story back to it's gritty but miraculous sc-fi roots we all loved the first game for. I'm shocked and pleased at the same time! Thank you Bio!

Oh, and for the record: The Reapers were harvesting whole galactic civilizations, cultures and races for millions of years. This ancient, enigmatic race (who's origin remains covered by mistery) with such uncomprihensive knowledge and technology was literally invincible. Let's not forget that they had created the first reaper starships, or I'd rather say that they became those powerful starships themselves - by this not only creating huge collective overminds with the knowledge and conscious of billion individuals, but also finding a way to become immortal. It was them who truly taimed eezo technology and found a way to use it for intergalactic travel by creating the mass relay system and the Citadell (a huge mass relay and their center of society. They found a way to indoctrinate other sapient races. They manipulated and observed every single technologically advanced civilization by their heritage (the beforementioned technological marvels and by their sentinels. Basically they supposed to know everything about "us" (via the Keepers, Collectors, Sovereign, the Guardian) while "we" don't know anything about them (hell, almost nobody beleived in them until their arrival). The only thing Shepard knows about them beside their existence is that they are more powerful than anything in the galaxy and that they are coming. How on Earth (no pun intended) anyone supposed to stop or destroy them just like that (everyone was so angry with the rumors of a "deus ex machina" kind of secret weapon that would make it all sound and easy - so here you go, it's not such a closure). I find this ending very-very epic, lifelike and thoughtful.

To all those who mourn their love interests and a happy ending in the arms of their virtual lover: ME is not and never intended to be a love story. It is just another aspect that makes the game more personal and emotionally involving. I also think that the ending makes the story of the romances more satisfying in many ways and sacrafice a more meaningful one. I can hardly imagine Shepard the warriorbad asshero setting down with his lover and living a quiet and happy life in some remote, peaceful, sunny and idealistic place. So is the life of epic heroes, living legends and so their love becomes immortal.

Ps.: Seeing so many people unhappy I see - with the many upcoming DLC-s - some DLC coming with missions or assets that would change the ending as well.

I already read Dune.

I simply want the choice to walk off into the sunset My way , like i did in mask of the betrayer. Whichever ending you chose in that game, it did not detract from the journey. Knowing I can't win ruins it for me. It dropped the value of the game significantly for me. Now I will wait till it's 10 bucks on some download site

Well, you actually do win. Only you can not achive a jackpot kind of victory with glorious toasts, fireworks and the kisses of your space-babe. The only aspect I find kind of sad is that whole galactic community suffers the consequences of your victory by losing the mass relays, though it's still not clear wether they do destroy in all possible endings. I only find this fact kind of sad (after all that you went through with them and started to love and care about the universe of ME)... just like in Dune where the Shai Huluds die and all the Spice on Dune vanquish so goes space traveling (man, that was one great book!...didn't like the sequels though). But I also understand what you mean when you say that you miss the freedom of choice in all of it - takes away the illusion of creating your own story with it's own ending. Although I wouldn't push away the pleasure of playing this amazing game with an aweinspiring story and characters because I'm not overly satisfied with it's ending. 

Oh i will definatly play the game, I just won't pay full price for it.

[Nathan Redgrave]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

but I promise you Metal Gear Solid 4

Ah, MGS4. That game was a fantastic movie, wasn't it?

[Teredan]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Teredan wrote...

No they aren't if you put context to them.
Remember that a paragon shepard can practically reform quite a lot of guys with his talking?
That is giving fans the good outcome they want.

It's giving them a diplomatic outcome if they want. I don't remember many cases of "reforming," beyond Helena Blake's potential turn to social work. Most of the time the charm options only succeed in convincing someone to do or not do something because it's more or less conductive to their own interests than they thought it was--example, convincing Finch not to do a smear job, convincing Jeong that letting Shepard take care of the Thorian and then funding colonial restoration would be a sound business investment. You're not changing people, you're just talking them down. Which is normal, if not always presented in the most realistic of ways.

If ME really were about the things you said it was than some of the guys paragon shepard reformed
would have just lied at that moment. But none of them do they all turn good.

Yes, all one of them.

EDIT: Major Kyle wasn't evil, just traumatized.

Here you have it. If they want. So we're at the beginning again why not give players the option if they want.
Mass Effect was always a series that was designed with that philosophy at its core.
I don't get why denying people that makes the game better?

Even if there is a happy all ending you still can play it towards a "better" less happy ending.
I mean that's what I did with heavy rain. Not everyone survived even if the option was there I didn't bother I go the experience that I wanted.

Like I said again I don't have a problem with the endings, I have a problem with the fact that none of them satisfy a big chunk of people for very similar reasons.

Modifié par Teredan, 28 février 2012 - 04:47 .

[Nathan Redgrave]

Capeo wrote...

Oh come now, the entire game is unrealistic.  That's no excuse for a lack of optional outcomes.  They're already throwing the catch all weapon of the crucible in there.  They could have made it capable of whatever they wanted.

Yes, they could have. Making it capable of too much without a balancing drawback, however, would have incited an even larger sh**storm than the one we're dancing in now--precisely because that kind of thing is unrealistic.

Modifié par Nathan Redgrave, 28 février 2012 - 04:45 .

[llandwynwyn]

Kanmuru wrote...

That spoiler is wrong, it dosent happen like that...

The spoiler says hacketts face appears, but in the game it was anderson (the player was romancing liara so we dont know about the other part...)

The character I can't stand is Joker.  <_<

[Hollowhisp]

Taleroth wrote...

Said it before, and knowing my interest in repeating myself, I will say it again.

The ending I desire is the consistent one. I want the ending forshadowed by previous events. I want to see the ending in advance and see how it all fits together. I want to see what Virmire means. I want to see what the suicide mission means. Does sacrificing a crew member for the good of the mission have any relevance? Does working hard to save everyone (except those poor nameless colonists) have any relevance? Is it foreshadowing, is it character growth overcoming old hardships?

Or is it just tossed together based on the whim of the moment?

Thats because people are taking the ending spoilers out of the context of the entire game, Its not just about the last few minutes where you make that tough choice but all the missions and conversations that lead to uniting the galaxy.