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[Darth Garrus]

Well, I'm not jumping, but I'm not giving up either.

We will make they understand that the only way to make this stop is coming forward and saying: "guys, we will not produce another ending. It's over".

But they must be able to loose a big chunk of their following. And the bad publicity. Lot's of sites and magazines agree with us.

Why don't they try to compromise and come with an "alternative" ending for those who want a new one? If you don't want, just don't get it. Those who install it will have the changes they want.

[zephyrus92]

malra wrote...

is the letter writing campaign still set for tomorrow? if so, we might want to chang the tones of the letters

As far as I've heard it's still set for tomorrow. Though we don't need to make the letters rude (I'm not sure what you were implying). Otherwise they'll just use that as evidence to call us the whiny, entitled gamers which we are not!

Though I guess it's too bad for me that I've already stamped and sealed my envelope...

[Darkspazztic]

Well I'm off to get drunk and play me some Counter Strike...only game I can stomach for now.

Hold. The. Line.

[MeldarthX]

Last count on twitter.......20 tweets; 19 love the game; hate the ending.....1 liked the ending.......

We are not the Minority........Our voices will be heard; keep it clean; civil.......

most of all HOLD THE LINE........USS Solihul going in for refueling......signing out.

[vrmcardoso]

Hiyanu wrote...

If I may make a suggestion that at this point if they truly are trying to listen and understand what we want changed. Then I cant think of any other way than to keep it simple and make it clear with a list of the huge plot holes and other concerns so that we can post it here or make a separate thread showing the entire list.

I think thats already beeing done. For example this post, albeit long, sums up my concerns rather well : http://social.biowar...ndex/10022779/1 

[Pyewacket]

Johnnycide wrote...

This is an accurate visual representation of my sorrow.  Well done!

[FsDxRAGE_v2]

It looks like everyone is giving us reassurance on that one thread.

[Darth Garrus]

Here, here, Alamandorious!

[Annaleah]

Vermont, signing off for the night. Maybe... unless I wake up at 1am again. I'm gonna keep holding the line until I get what I want... A happy ending.

It aint over till it's over.

Peace out.

[Crossleft]

Shoulin wrote...

This could also just be me dreaming up a storm

I just realized how silly it would be to release DLC for the middle of a game that ends a trilogy.  While they haven't mentioned what DLC they are working on, we just know from news that they have a lot incoming supposedly.  So maybe they are playing it off like an MMO I guess, adding new content until they finish the actual story?
Sounds stupid and probably said before I know, but just think of it as games adding content/gameplay to SP after the fact (i.e. Elder Scrolls, Borderlands, Fallout).  The content that we may be getting may just be a continuation onto what happened after the events of the end of ME3.  I have beaten the game a few times already and I know it doesn't really setup for anything, but in a way I could see how the "new content" would work.

Yes the end did say that we have become legends, then just goes back to before the final 2 missions so we can "play extra content."  While this does just sound like end game DLC to give us the actual ending, I keep hearing the final speech between the Old Man and the kid play back in my head as well as Shepard drawing breath.  If they said that we are going to be seeing more of Shepard, then maybe this is what they meant by it, or at least we could only hope.

Us not actually beating the Reapers in the end, due to indoctrination, our allies coming to save Shepard for the first time instead of the other way around.  Recovery to find another method to take down the threat, if you even can?  Possibly answer many questions that were left open, even possibly concluding that Harbringer is merely a puppet of something larger.  That or que destroying the Reapers by some unknown means to us and then closure.

They did say it was the end of the trilogy, they never said how long the last game would last and that we would see Shepard again.  This could also just be me dreaming up a storm and trying to believe what I am thinking in my head.  For someone who is a level designer for an Indie Studio, my imagination is just running wild at the moment.

Regardless on if I am right or not (most likely not)...
Hold. That. Line!

if I had to guess on their plans for "extensive new dlc" (at least prior to the outrage post launch) Id say it would largely be centered around keeping the multiplayer going like adding new maps n such....not that that matters anymore if it ever did <_<

[Green man5490]

Hey people any news or anything being planned as of late?

[Theb82]

QwibQwib wrote...

Theb82 wrote...

What people need to realise is by changing the ending it will ****** off the fans that enjoyed it and change gaming history that would cause so much more work and pressure on developers.

Why would they do this if they believe that its only the minority that feel as we do?

nobody wants to "change" we are asking to "add" 

ofc but adding an addition is still classed as a change to a ending that was fully intended.

haha maybe deep down im worried about my mental state, days glued to a forum with so much hope

[MeldarthX]

MeldarthX wrote...

Last count on twitter.......20 tweets; 19 love the game; hate the ending.....1 liked the ending.......  6 more tweets; 3 more saying the ending suck; 1 asking people to come on mp; another saying their writing something; another about getting disks replaced.

We are not the Minority........Our voices will be heard; keep it clean; civil.......

most of all HOLD THE LINE........USS Solihul going in for refueling......signing out.

[Aeyl]

Green man5490 wrote...

Hey people any news or anything being planned as of late?

Well we've got some possibly hopeful news from Jessica Merizan's twitter and another statement from Mr. Hudson that was overall more of a non-statement (so, nothing negative, perhaps some implied positive but overall it doesn't seem like anything groundbreaking).

I hear some people will be mailing letters soon as well.

[silencemayday]

:> finally. a song that sums up my current feelings. (mostly the anger.)

[Darkspazztic]

Well **** that didn't last long.

Guess I *can't* stomach it.

Back on the line.

[Xyalon]

QwibQwib wrote...

Xyalon wrote...

Not at all. I'm reserving judgement. I have neither positive or negative views on this post. When I say it promises nothing I mean exactly that - it promises nothing specific.

I'm being neither optimistic nor pessimistic. I'm going to let BioWare prove that my faith in them is not misguided.

Ok, but it's okay that you are afraid of being let down, but it's not good to make everyone feel that. We need hope.

Ah, if it came across like this I really didn't intend it to; definitely not being a downer here. I'll try to clarify.

I have hope, why do you think I'm holding the line with you guys? I am not admitting defeat or resignation to failure, (nor am I particularly worried if that comes to pass - I can accept things if confronted with them as, I am sure, the rest of us can). I am not letting go of a series that has held a very strong place in my heart until there is no choice. I just don't believe in jumping to conclusions either good or bad.

[Computim]

Pyewacket wrote...

Johnnycide wrote...

This is an accurate visual representation of my sorrow.  Well done!

Is it sad that I want to read that space patrol book now?  I loved CYOA growing up.. got the star trek one, read the heck out of it hahaha.

[Shoulin]

Crossleft wrote...

Shoulin wrote...

This could also just be me dreaming up a storm

I just realized how silly it would be to release DLC for the middle of a game that ends a trilogy.  While they haven't mentioned what DLC they are working on, we just know from news that they have a lot incoming supposedly.  So maybe they are playing it off like an MMO I guess, adding new content until they finish the actual story?
Sounds stupid and probably said before I know, but just think of it as games adding content/gameplay to SP after the fact (i.e. Elder Scrolls, Borderlands, Fallout).  The content that we may be getting may just be a continuation onto what happened after the events of the end of ME3.  I have beaten the game a few times already and I know it doesn't really setup for anything, but in a way I could see how the "new content" would work.

Yes the end did say that we have become legends, then just goes back to before the final 2 missions so we can "play extra content."  While this does just sound like end game DLC to give us the actual ending, I keep hearing the final speech between the Old Man and the kid play back in my head as well as Shepard drawing breath.  If they said that we are going to be seeing more of Shepard, then maybe this is what they meant by it, or at least we could only hope.

Us not actually beating the Reapers in the end, due to indoctrination, our allies coming to save Shepard for the first time instead of the other way around.  Recovery to find another method to take down the threat, if you even can?  Possibly answer many questions that were left open, even possibly concluding that Harbringer is merely a puppet of something larger.  That or que destroying the Reapers by some unknown means to us and then closure.

They did say it was the end of the trilogy, they never said how long the last game would last and that we would see Shepard again.  This could also just be me dreaming up a storm and trying to believe what I am thinking in my head.  For someone who is a level designer for an Indie Studio, my imagination is just running wild at the moment.

Regardless on if I am right or not (most likely not)...
Hold. That. Line!

if I had to guess on their plans for "extensive new dlc" (at least prior to the outrage post launch) Id say it would largely be centered around keeping the multiplayer going like adding new maps n such....not that that matters anymore if it ever did <_<

Sadly I feel your pain, although I like the multiplayer mode to an extent, I could care less about more content for it.  But it is always nice to dream for a change I guess lol.  Who knows maybe I am right and they are playing this off as adding content to the ending of the SP instead of the middle of it where it doesn't matter at all.

[TheBull]

tangalin wrote...

TheBull wrote...

Crossleft wrote...

malra wrote...

from out here in the 'verse, a simple browncoat reporting for duty. the line will be held.

4 billion internets for the Firefly reference

Mercy is the Mark of great men, maybe we're just alright.
The wheel never stops turning and that doesn't only matter to the people on the Rim

Balls and Bayonets Brigade reporting for duty!

Take my Love (Mass Effect) Take my Land, Take me were i cannot stand,
I don't care Im still holding, you can't take the end from us.

[People4Peace]

Alamandorious wrote...

People. Loyal fans of Bioware. Loyal consumers of Bioware.

This battle is more important than you realize. We've garnered a LOT of attention...more attention, I think, than any other thing remotely similar. I know some people have been gaming longer than me, and on the internet longer than me, but I want to give those of you with less experience some of the experience I benefit from.

I've never been one to hang out on boards. I've never been one to participate beyond the occasional comment. Too many times I've seen flame wars happen, and a very small minority of people on a board disliking something (such as a game) and just shooting their mouths of. These small groups think they're exercising their freedom of speech, when all they're really doing is exercising the freedom from being punched in the mouth.

These people are ignored by just about everyone...eventually, these kinds of people evolved into the trolls we see today. Gaming magazines, well, media of any kind hardly took notice of them because of how they acted, and that their numbers were so small. And when they took notice, it was universally negative.

I have been on the net for 17 years, since I was 13. I've been a gamer for 22 years, since I was 8. I played consoles and computer before then, but I only got my first game system when I was 8. I love games, I love playing them for the adventure they offer that I couldn't get anywhere else. I enjoyed the stories they crafted, and the challenge they posed.

As the years wore on, I've seen games come and go...I've seen ones that were innovative, new, and exciting...and I've seen the ones that have come after using the same formula over and over again, until it was tired and worn. But not once did I comment, not once did I complain...because the people that were were not people I wanted to associate with.

Then along came the Mass Effect series. At first, I didn't pay any attention to it; I had other, more pressing concerns. But then, one day last year, I saw Mass Effect 2 for sale at Gamestop for $19.99, and decided to give it a try...I'd been hearing good things about the series.

After the first playthrough, I immediately purchased the first game. I had never, ever seen anything like this game...the unparalled choice, the way my decisions in conversations and events -mattered-. The believeable, fully developed characters. I had loved Fallout 3, having been a longtime fan of the Fallout series in general...but I adored Mass Effect far, far more.

I've never anticipated a game like I did Mass Effect 3. I told waited patiently, avoiding spoilers, fully intent on sucking every bit of enjoyment out of the game as possible, already planning trilogy-wide playthroughs just to see what I could do.

When it first came out, I like you, was totally amazed by it...the depth, the action, the -story-...until the endings, like you.

I came here, and saw this thread...and for the first time, I felt like joining. Here were people that felt and thought like me, that were displeased, that were NOT being idiots...that were being mature, presenting their stories and their cases in a mature and adult fashion...for the very first time, I saw people being intelligent about something negative...and I haven't turned back.

The number of people involved in this is staggering, the fact that it's organized is amazing. If non-gaming magazines like Forbes are taking notice of us, commenting on how what we are saying -matters-...and we have far more people from the Media saying we're right than ever. No other movement in this industry has even come close to matching our dedication, maturity, and generousity...well over $50,000 dollars donated in a few days speaks for itself.

We are being mature, we are being reasonable, and most of all we are being heard.

THAT is what is making all the difference. THAT is what sets us apart. If we give up now, we're doing the game industry irrevocable harm. We are continuing to allow the greedy though process that we, as consumers, do not matter. That they can shove the same tired things at us, shove incomplete and buggy products at us, and that we have no right to ask, and demand if necessary, change to something they've produced.

This doesn't work in anything else, people. There are plenty of examples where campaigns across just about every modern medium have succeeded. This is the first time in -this- medium that such a large group of people is demanding answers, demanding change...standing up for our rights as consumers with our passion as fans.

We are not acting entitled; that is reserved for those trolls who bash otherwise good products, the minorities in other forums that can do nothing but rage and flame.

We are customers, we are fans, and we don't want to see what we love degraded by greedy business practices. We don't want to see the game series we love ruined by what ammounts to sloppy writing at the end, a product defect that can, and has for most, destroyed the rest of the game.

In my experience, I've never seen anything like this movement, or the cooperation and dignity of you people...we need to do this, we need to set this example...we need to keep our voices heard and to get stronger.

So don't give up.

Well said!!!

HOLD THE LINE!

[Hydralysk]

Alamandorious wrote...

People. Loyal fans of Bioware. Loyal consumers of Bioware.

This battle is more important than you realize. We've garnered a LOT of attention...more attention, I think, than any other thing remotely similar. I know some people have been gaming longer than me, and on the internet longer than me, but I want to give those of you with less experience some of the experience I benefit from.

I've never been one to hang out on boards. I've never been one to participate beyond the occasional comment. Too many times I've seen flame wars happen, and a very small minority of people on a board disliking something (such as a game) and just shooting their mouths of. These small groups think they're exercising their freedom of speech, when all they're really doing is exercising the freedom from being punched in the mouth.

These people are ignored by just about everyone...eventually, these kinds of people evolved into the trolls we see today. Gaming magazines, well, media of any kind hardly took notice of them because of how they acted, and that their numbers were so small. And when they took notice, it was universally negative.

I have been on the net for 17 years, since I was 13. I've been a gamer for 22 years, since I was 8. I played consoles and computer before then, but I only got my first game system when I was 8. I love games, I love playing them for the adventure they offer that I couldn't get anywhere else. I enjoyed the stories they crafted, and the challenge they posed.

As the years wore on, I've seen games come and go...I've seen ones that were innovative, new, and exciting...and I've seen the ones that have come after using the same formula over and over again, until it was tired and worn. But not once did I comment, not once did I complain...because the people that were were not people I wanted to associate with.

Then along came the Mass Effect series. At first, I didn't pay any attention to it; I had other, more pressing concerns. But then, one day last year, I saw Mass Effect 2 for sale at Gamestop for $19.99, and decided to give it a try...I'd been hearing good things about the series.

After the first playthrough, I immediately purchased the first game. I had never, ever seen anything like this game...the unparalled choice, the way my decisions in conversations and events -mattered-. The believeable, fully developed characters. I had loved Fallout 3, having been a longtime fan of the Fallout series in general...but I adored Mass Effect far, far more.

I've never anticipated a game like I did Mass Effect 3. I told waited patiently, avoiding spoilers, fully intent on sucking every bit of enjoyment out of the game as possible, already planning trilogy-wide playthroughs just to see what I could do.

When it first came out, I like you, was totally amazed by it...the depth, the action, the -story-...until the endings, like you.

I came here, and saw this thread...and for the first time, I felt like joining. Here were people that felt and thought like me, that were displeased, that were NOT being idiots...that were being mature, presenting their stories and their cases in a mature and adult fashion...for the very first time, I saw people being intelligent about something negative...and I haven't turned back.

The number of people involved in this is staggering, the fact that it's organized is amazing. If non-gaming magazines like Forbes are taking notice of us, commenting on how what we are saying -matters-...and we have far more people from the Media saying we're right than ever. No other movement in this industry has even come close to matching our dedication, maturity, and generousity...well over $50,000 dollars donated in a few days speaks for itself.

We are being mature, we are being reasonable, and most of all we are being heard.

THAT is what is making all the difference. THAT is what sets us apart. If we give up now, we're doing the game industry irrevocable harm. We are continuing to allow the greedy though process that we, as consumers, do not matter. That they can shove the same tired things at us, shove incomplete and buggy products at us, and that we have no right to ask, and demand if necessary, change to something they've produced.

This doesn't work in anything else, people. There are plenty of examples where campaigns across just about every modern medium have succeeded. This is the first time in -this- medium that such a large group of people is demanding answers, demanding change...standing up for our rights as consumers with our passion as fans.

We are not acting entitled; that is reserved for those trolls who bash otherwise good products, the minorities in other forums that can do nothing but rage and flame.

We are customers, we are fans, and we don't want to see what we love degraded by greedy business practices. We don't want to see the game series we love ruined by what ammounts to sloppy writing at the end, a product defect that can, and has for most, destroyed the rest of the game.

In my experience, I've never seen anything like this movement, or the cooperation and dignity of you people...we need to do this, we need to set this example...we need to keep our voices heard and to get stronger.

So don't give up.

Just came back and read this. Bravo sir, Kirrahe would be proud.<3

[Pyewacket]

malra wrote...

i've been thinking the fault for the horrible ending either lies with 'scarry monsters' or 'space monkeys'

Hey now, don't forget the .

Modifié par Pyewacket, 17 mars 2012 - 02:45 .

[Dj14365]

Do we have any new developments or articles since about 3pm est. I've been watching some crazy bball upsets go down. Thanks for hold'n the line in my absence