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#3851
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txgoldrush wrote...

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and yet they were a "puppet" for Microsoft......nevermind the fact that they went the action route BEFORE EA bought them.


It's interesting to see you defend the company by bashing it; class act right there.

Yeah, because ME1 was GoW-esque TPS.

Oh wait, no, it wasn't.


Ever heard of Jade Empire?


Yeah, and it was good. What's your point? It's a martial arts game, did you expect a plodding plot or something?

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txgoldrush wrote...


And a pre-spaceflight style game can be compelling, you have to just rework the themes. Thats it.


If you are reworking already existing themes to the extent which makes it possible, then you may as well start new franchise. Not much difference, imo.

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Seriously you guys. Even Xio said the Merge ending felt good for him. You're all freaking out over things without anything to go on but words on a computer screen.

Calm yourselves.


And another guy on SA who played it said the ending felt like a kick in the nuts.  Some people already know, because of what aspects of the game they care about most (crew and LI), they're getting short shrifted.  That's all really.  And all this confirms that the endings are stunningly similar.  Worse, it seems like Renegades get porked. 


Nevermind that the German reviewer liked the endings. The first ever review.....

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Six years Bioware. Six goddamn years and all of the money spent on two games and DLC.

I don't expect a super flower ending, I expected (and accepted) that the galaxy would be royally screwed up even in the best playthrough. Fighting milion year old machine gods is not easy.

But what you have done to the Normandy crew (squadmates from the last two games) is just wrong. There is no other word for it. People having been playing this game series for the last six years and have grown attached to the characters. Everyone has their favorites.

Some people wanted to retire with their LI, some wanted to ram the normandy into the boss reaper for an epic conclusion, people wanted to decide how shepard's and CO. story ends. These characters aren't critical to the "messed up" galaxy conclusion. You could of easily allowed people to have these endings.

But no, this is just a game right? Its like not people have been waiting to conclude their shep's story their way for half of a decade. Maybe you'll sell us some DLC to get better endings, why not? Its not like people won't buy it.

I have bought ME1 and ME2 + all of the DLC for both games(except the comic). I have ME3 CE preordered. Thats a lot of money bioware. I hope you enjoy it because its the last money you'll ever get from me.

To all of the biodrones and apologists who will inevitably flame me: open your eyes. Bioware trolled us and good hard. I hope you can see that.

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mariatea wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...


And a pre-spaceflight style game can be compelling, you have to just rework the themes. Thats it.


If you are reworking already existing themes to the extent which makes it possible, then you may as well start new franchise. Not much difference, imo.


See Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, far different from the first two series.

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txgoldrush wrote...

Capeo wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Seriously you guys. Even Xio said the Merge ending felt good for him. You're all freaking out over things without anything to go on but words on a computer screen.

Calm yourselves.


And another guy on SA who played it said the ending felt like a kick in the nuts.  Some people already know, because of what aspects of the game they care about most (crew and LI), they're getting short shrifted.  That's all really.  And all this confirms that the endings are stunningly similar.  Worse, it seems like Renegades get porked. 


Nevermind that the German reviewer liked the endings. The first ever review.....


German reviews are almost always at odds with the rest of the world's opinions. And the endings are very subjective as to whether you like them or not.

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Unit-Alpha wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

and yet they were a "puppet" for Microsoft......nevermind the fact that they went the action route BEFORE EA bought them.


It's interesting to see you defend the company by bashing it; class act right there.

Yeah, because ME1 was GoW-esque TPS.

Oh wait, no, it wasn't.


Ever heard of Jade Empire?


Yeah, and it was good. What's your point? It's a martial arts game, did you expect a plodding plot or something?


Ahhh Jade Empire.  I really liked that game.  It had some nice storylines at times, and the kung fu was fun.  I always wanted a sequel to that, but am afraid to wish for it anymore the way things have gone. :(

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I don't know, somehow the style of this vid reminds me of the several cutscenes you get if you didn't upgrade the normandy in ME2.
And I remember Javelin-Missiles(or something like that) in IGN's coverage on the ME3-galaxy-map as a war-asset.
Maybe this is the cutscene if you didn't acquire them(or some scientists who develop better infantry-based weaponry or the cain).

At least I hope so.


Yeah, reminds me of that too... I too hope so.

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Frankly I'm A o-freaking-kay with the endings.

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txgoldrush wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

mariatea wrote...

Risselda wrote...

A dev posted on: http://social.biowar...7/index/9544880

I think that is evidence enough that it is true and will not change :(


Ugh... I thought that I already accepted all of this, but now I feel anger rising again.

What.The.Hell. Just what the hell...


God, I want the old Bioware back, the old Chris, the old team, before EA corrupted it all...


so back to the same tired cliches, the one dimensional characters that are not the first two party members you meet, heavy emphasis on talking codex over real character development, the clearly black and white morality system, no new IPs just adapted ones, and a huge risk aversion in which the company never grows, is afraid to fail, and no longer revolutionizes the industry.

Really old Bioware wasn't THAT good, it was just good FOR ITS TIME.


Please... Baldur's Gate 2 combined with ToB was like a computer game made by God.

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Six years Bioware. Six goddamn years and all of the money spent on two games and DLC.

I don't expect a super flower ending, I expected (and accepted) that the galaxy would be royally screwed up even in the best playthrough. Fighting milion year old machine gods is not easy.

But what you have done to the Normandy crew (squadmates from the last two games) is just wrong. There is no other word for it. People having been playing this game series for the last six years and have grown attached to the characters. Everyone has their favorites.

Some people wanted to retire with their LI, some wanted to ram the normandy into the boss reaper for an epic conclusion, people wanted to decide how shepard's and CO. story ends. These characters aren't critical to the "messed up" galaxy conclusion. You could of easily allowed people to have these endings.

But no, this is just a game right? Its like not people have been waiting to conclude their shep's story their way for half of a decade. Maybe you'll sell us some DLC to get better endings, why not? Its not like people won't buy it.

I have bought ME1 and ME2 + all of the DLC for both games(except the comic). I have ME3 CE preordered. Thats a lot of money bioware. I hope you enjoy it because its the last money you'll ever get from me.

To all of the biodrones and apologists who will inevitably flame me: open your eyes. Bioware trolled us and good hard. I hope you can see that.


Thank you, you are the kind of independent thinker that Bioware and the Biodrones have been trying to silence. My hat is off to you.

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If people complain loud enough Bioware might make an alternative ending pack.

One thing I can say that the relays being gone doesnt mean the end of everything and eternal isolation. They or a similar technology can be rebuild with time and effort. As can galactic society.

As there is no more cycles now we have all the time we ever wanted.

Modifié par Armass81, 01 mars 2012 - 01:16 .


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So the download for pc comes out tomorrow, how do you think they will have a legit crack? When that happens we will know for sure.

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Nevermind that the German reviewer liked the endings. The first ever review.....


Professional level reviewers are not, I repeat, NOT real gamers, and deserve no acknowledgement of their opinions, nor should we pay them any mind.  They rarely, if ever rate games based on how much fun they had playing them.  Nope, graphic glitch here and there 10 POINTS OFF

But yeah, you really can't use that as a reference.

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RazorrX wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

and yet they were a "puppet" for Microsoft......nevermind the fact that they went the action route BEFORE EA bought them.


It's interesting to see you defend the company by bashing it; class act right there.

Yeah, because ME1 was GoW-esque TPS.

Oh wait, no, it wasn't.


Ever heard of Jade Empire?


Yeah, and it was good. What's your point? It's a martial arts game, did you expect a plodding plot or something?


Ahhh Jade Empire.  I really liked that game.  It had some nice storylines at times, and the kung fu was fun.  I always wanted a sequel to that, but am afraid to wish for it anymore the way things have gone. :(


which had one huge flaw, Closed Fist, in theory a more liberatrian philosophy, was in practice puppy kicking. Typical old bioware with black and white morality.

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Armass81 wrote...

If people complain load enough Bioware might make an alternative ending pack.

One thing I can say that the relays being gone doesnt mean the end of everythign and eternal solitude. They can be rebuild with time and effort. As can galactic society.


That would take tens of thousands of years since they don't even know how the relays work. 

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Sashimi_taco wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

If people complain load enough Bioware might make an alternative ending pack.

One thing I can say that the relays being gone doesnt mean the end of everythign and eternal solitude. They can be rebuild with time and effort. As can galactic society.


That would take tens of thousands of years since they don't even know how the relays work. 


So let it, we now have all the time we want. Besides protheans figured it out, the reapers figured it out, it can be done. Reapers might even help us rebuild it in the merge ending.

Modifié par Armass81, 01 mars 2012 - 01:18 .


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Sashimi_taco wrote...

So the download for pc comes out tomorrow, how do you think they will have a legit crack? When that happens we will know for sure.



It'll take a few days to crack it. Though with the issues surrounding it now, we might see a crack in two or so. Maybe less.

Bioware: I am not endorsing this behavior.

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Its not all of it but here is part of one destroy ending

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Unit-Alpha wrote...

killerteeth wrote...

Six years Bioware. Six goddamn years and all of the money spent on two games and DLC.

I don't expect a super flower ending, I expected (and accepted) that the galaxy would be royally screwed up even in the best playthrough. Fighting milion year old machine gods is not easy.

But what you have done to the Normandy crew (squadmates from the last two games) is just wrong. There is no other word for it. People having been playing this game series for the last six years and have grown attached to the characters. Everyone has their favorites.

Some people wanted to retire with their LI, some wanted to ram the normandy into the boss reaper for an epic conclusion, people wanted to decide how shepard's and CO. story ends. These characters aren't critical to the "messed up" galaxy conclusion. You could of easily allowed people to have these endings.

But no, this is just a game right? Its like not people have been waiting to conclude their shep's story their way for half of a decade. Maybe you'll sell us some DLC to get better endings, why not? Its not like people won't buy it.

I have bought ME1 and ME2 + all of the DLC for both games(except the comic). I have ME3 CE preordered. Thats a lot of money bioware. I hope you enjoy it because its the last money you'll ever get from me.

To all of the biodrones and apologists who will inevitably flame me: open your eyes. Bioware trolled us and good hard. I hope you can see that.


Thank you, you are the kind of independent thinker that Bioware and the Biodrones have been trying to silence. My hat is off to you.


so there little Sheps can't be with their virtual sex toys.....boo hoo

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txgoldrush wrote...

RazorrX wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

and yet they were a "puppet" for Microsoft......nevermind the fact that they went the action route BEFORE EA bought them.


It's interesting to see you defend the company by bashing it; class act right there.

Yeah, because ME1 was GoW-esque TPS.

Oh wait, no, it wasn't.


Ever heard of Jade Empire?


Yeah, and it was good. What's your point? It's a martial arts game, did you expect a plodding plot or something?


Ahhh Jade Empire.  I really liked that game.  It had some nice storylines at times, and the kung fu was fun.  I always wanted a sequel to that, but am afraid to wish for it anymore the way things have gone. :(


which had one huge flaw, Closed Fist, in theory a more liberatrian philosophy, was in practice puppy kicking. Typical old bioware with black and white morality.


Wait, so your problem is with black and white morality? It really does work in some cases.

I'm guessing you're one of those D&D players.

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Sashimi_taco wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

If people complain load enough Bioware might make an alternative ending pack.

One thing I can say that the relays being gone doesnt mean the end of everythign and eternal solitude. They can be rebuild with time and effort. As can galactic society.


That would take tens of thousands of years since they don't even know how the relays work. 


The asari i think created a mass effect relay on a smaller scale. We have a prothean on our side. I dont think itd be that far in the future

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Wrong....

Bioware has ALWAYS been weak in the choice department, look at KOTOR, the ONLY choice that matters is the end game one. JE same thing. Another thing old bioware sucked at, meaningful consquences. Newer Bioware is better. Really is the consquence of sending Bethany into the Deep Roads the only meaningful consquence from an early game decision? Bioware does pale in comparision to a CD Projeckt or an Obsidian (who is hit or miss overall) when it comes to consquence.

At least Bioware had the balls to have DA2 end the way it did (they just rushed it which did hurt the game) and now this game.

And a pre-spaceflight style game can be compelling, you have to just rework the themes. Thats it.


Note that KotoR is also one of the few games that lacks text epilogue (aside from ME which in some ways doesn't count until ME3 since it's a continuing story with the same characters) which provides all kinds of end-game nuance to tons of choices.  Also, the structure of story progression matters largely in those older games, the "collect three pieces of thus-and-such in three distinct area before game finale" framework.  You always get the item because it's needed for plot progression, but how you get the item is quite variable.  There is choice; it's just on a more localized level, and the text epilogue gives it long-term relevance.  And there's no reason at all not to have high variability in the ending since you no longer need cohesion for plot progression.

And even if everything you say is true, it still doesn't undermine what I say about characters.  Character interaction and the building of relationships is a massive point of Bioware games.

Modifié par Ragabul the Ontarah, 01 mars 2012 - 01:19 .


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Armass81 wrote...

So let it, we now have all the time we want.


Mass Effect 4: Sons of Shepard.

(Ok, more like great-great-great-great-great-great-great-etc-grandsons of Shepard, but that's less catchy)

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txgoldrush wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

killerteeth wrote...

Six years Bioware. Six goddamn years and all of the money spent on two games and DLC.

I don't expect a super flower ending, I expected (and accepted) that the galaxy would be royally screwed up even in the best playthrough. Fighting milion year old machine gods is not easy.

But what you have done to the Normandy crew (squadmates from the last two games) is just wrong. There is no other word for it. People having been playing this game series for the last six years and have grown attached to the characters. Everyone has their favorites.

Some people wanted to retire with their LI, some wanted to ram the normandy into the boss reaper for an epic conclusion, people wanted to decide how shepard's and CO. story ends. These characters aren't critical to the "messed up" galaxy conclusion. You could of easily allowed people to have these endings.

But no, this is just a game right? Its like not people have been waiting to conclude their shep's story their way for half of a decade. Maybe you'll sell us some DLC to get better endings, why not? Its not like people won't buy it.

I have bought ME1 and ME2 + all of the DLC for both games(except the comic). I have ME3 CE preordered. Thats a lot of money bioware. I hope you enjoy it because its the last money you'll ever get from me.

To all of the biodrones and apologists who will inevitably flame me: open your eyes. Bioware trolled us and good hard. I hope you can see that.


Thank you, you are the kind of independent thinker that Bioware and the Biodrones have been trying to silence. My hat is off to you.


so there little Sheps can't be with their virtual sex toys.....boo hoo


Ah, thanks for furfilling his prediction, Biodrone. I couldn't care less about not having sex or even the relationships, if it means keeping the team together.

Edit: Good god, what is it with every person who defends Bioware having the most atrocious grammar ever?

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 01 mars 2012 - 01:19 .