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[Xyalon]

Vandriel wrote...

www.http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10098213

Guys, this is where we need the really talented writers to come in as well. Anyone remember what page that post was on about the alt ending? The one with all the epilogues and shepard's children going to a new galaxy?

And please, please, please! Be respectful and formal as possible there. This is where they are going to collect their information from if we come off as a bunch of "Durrr fix ur own ending" (not saying anyone in this thread has, but just incase) then the momentum we just got (which is a hell of a lot more than we had 3 hours ago) goes away.

List your problems, talk about the plotholes and how you would like to see them patched, be specific as possible, talk about how the ending felt, use other Bioware games as examples, but most of all be as crystal clear as possible. This is where we stop just standing and holding the line, and start making steps forward with that line.

I'll spend an hour or two on a decent, formulated review of good and bad, encompassing the whole game, nay series, but focusing on the ending. Can't do it now though, too late here in the UK.

[WvStolzing]

In the name of M. Shields, read this first:
http://social.biowar...ndex/10084349/1
and put it in your signatures.

This is the time to HOLD THE LINE

[Green man5490]

JamesYHT wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

 In case people didn't go to the other thread...

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Guys, this is an ongoing dialogue. Casey's post is not the final definitive answer to your concerns. This is a collaboration. 

In order to be successful in this, I need you to help me gathering feedback and tell us what you want to see. I understand that people are still feeling emotionally raw or untrusting, and I'm not saying it's not valid to feel that way. However, if you want to see your feedback implemented, this needs to become constructive and rational. 

Complaining more isn't going to get you what you want. Tell us what you need. Make polls, collect your thoughts. Chris and I are gathering this information and the developers are listening. 

This is a partnership. Let's have hope and make your voice heard - that includes positive feedback too (if you like something we're doing, tell us so we know to keep it up!). 

So, guys, let's get moving!! We need to be as organized as possible and make it clear that we do not want in game dlc (at least not yet) and what we want exactly from the end.

It is far from over. We just got them to really listen to us! 

is this a good cap bad cap, game? 

No I think they're concerned since its a bigger percentage of players that hate/dislike the ending than they thought. Problem is there's really no place to neatly collect our thoughts on what we want its just a lot of us firing off our thoughts and frustrations all over the place

[Trunks Bordare]

The Big Palooka wrote...

Reposting this again, because everyone, everyone, everyone needs to read the first post of this thread:

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10084349/1

Hold the Line.

Wow. Just wow. Great perspective and insight on how we're being effective. Just dont give up and keep holding the line!

[Zulmoka531]

TamiBx wrote...

 In case people didn't go to the other thread...

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Guys, this is an ongoing dialogue. Casey's post is not the final definitive answer to your concerns. This is a collaboration. 

In order to be successful in this, I need you to help me gathering feedback and tell us what you want to see. I understand that people are still feeling emotionally raw or untrusting, and I'm not saying it's not valid to feel that way. However, if you want to see your feedback implemented, this needs to become constructive and rational. 

Complaining more isn't going to get you what you want. Tell us what you need. Make polls, collect your thoughts. Chris and I are gathering this information and the developers are listening. 

This is a partnership. Let's have hope and make your voice heard - that includes positive feedback too (if you like something we're doing, tell us so we know to keep it up!). 

So, guys, let's get moving!! We need to be as organized as possible and make it clear that we do not want in game dlc (at least not yet) and what we want exactly from the end.

It is far from over. We just got them to really listen to us! 

I'd tread with caution with that quote of hers. She's right that we need to get some solid ideas rolling, after all without that our cause falls flat (though it's sad we are doing their job for them). But this is also part of the PR damage control method.

So while ignoring it is foolhardy, trusting it completely can lead into a very cleverly hidden trap.

As per example "You will know that there’s a genuine need for dialogue in the corporate bunker when the message turns from “we’re listening” to “we acknowledge we may have
a disconnect with our consumers and are willing to discuss a meaningful
solution to the problem.” It signals an end to non-committed deflection
and opening genuine talks to solve the problem (it’s knows as “Exposing
Your Throat” btw). At present, you’ll notice Bioware/EA has only said
they will “explain” the endings. That’s not a give, that’s a delay
tactic."

Modifié par Zulmoka531, 17 mars 2012 - 03:20 .

[Misterdde45000]

Vandriel wrote...

http://social.biowar.../index/10098213

Guys, this is where we need the really talented writers to come in as well. Anyone remember what page that post was on about the alt ending? The one with all the epilogues and shepard's children going to a new galaxy?

And please, please, please! Be respectful and formal as possible there. This is where they are going to collect their information from if we come off as a bunch of "Durrr fix ur own ending" (not saying anyone in this thread has, but just incase) then the momentum we just got (which is a hell of a lot more than we had 3 hours ago) goes away.

List your problems, talk about the plotholes and how you would like to see them patched, be specific as possible, talk about how the ending felt, use other Bioware games as examples, but most of all be as crystal clear as possible. This is where we stop just standing and holding the line, and start making steps forward with that line.

Well, unfortunatly i don't think it's the purpose of this thread. After all, she can say what she wants... we have no proof. So until i got a clarification about the ending..

I HOLD THE LINE

Copperbolt wrote...

US Fleet; Office of Support and Logistics, still holding strong, ready to ship caffeine to all those holding the line.

Ship one here my friend, my engine is getting dry o/

[Yaldo]

"Jessica Merizan wrote...

Guys, this is an ongoing dialogue. Casey's post is not the final definitive answer to your concerns. This is a collaboration.

In order to be successful in this, I need you to help me gathering feedback and tell us what you want to see. I understand that people are still feeling emotionally raw or untrusting, and I'm not saying it's not valid to feel that way. However, if you want to see your feedback implemented, this needs to become constructive and rational.

Complaining more isn't going to get you what you want. Tell us what you need. Make polls, collect your thoughts. Chris and I are gathering this information and the developers are listening.

This is a partnership. Let's have hope and make your voice heard - that includes positive feedback too (if you like something we're doing, tell us so we know to keep it up!). "

Yes jessica you are correct that is not the final definitive answer to your concerns, actually it doesn't adress our concerns at all.

Sorry for snark, tired and frustrated.

And holding the line.

[FsDxRAGE_v2]

People4Peace wrote...

The Big Palooka wrote...

Reposting this again, because everyone, everyone, everyone needs to read the first post of this thread:

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10084349/1

Hold the Line.

Wow, this is great! Thanks for reposting this!

People read THIS!

[DifferentD17]

Yaldo wrote...

"Jessica Merizan wrote...

Guys, this is an ongoing dialogue. Casey's post is not the final definitive answer to your concerns. This is a collaboration.

In order to be successful in this, I need you to help me gathering feedback and tell us what you want to see. I understand that people are still feeling emotionally raw or untrusting, and I'm not saying it's not valid to feel that way. However, if you want to see your feedback implemented, this needs to become constructive and rational.

Complaining more isn't going to get you what you want. Tell us what you need. Make polls, collect your thoughts. Chris and I are gathering this information and the developers are listening.

This is a partnership. Let's have hope and make your voice heard - that includes positive feedback too (if you like something we're doing, tell us so we know to keep it up!). "

Yes jessica you are correct that is not the final definitive answer to your concerns, actually it doesn't adress our concerns at all.

Sorry for snark, tired and frustrated.

And holding the line.

Why didn't they respond in this thread? <_<

[TamiBx]

Green man5490 wrote...

No I think they're concerned since its a bigger percentage of players that hate/dislike the ending than they thought. Problem is there's really no place to neatly collect our thoughts on what we want its just a lot of us firing off our thoughts and frustrations all over the place

They made a thread: http://social.biowar...8213/4#10099038


And we can always use this poll to give them a broad idea and then express our opinions:

http://social.biowar.../index/10071250 ' class='bbc_url' title='Lien externe' rel='nofollow external'> http://social.biowar.../index/10071250

GUYS, please vote and give your feedback to both the survey and the thread. This is our time to make them understand we need a better ending and what exactly we want. They are listening and it might be the only chance we get. 

[Dj14365]

Zhijn wrote...

We always intended that the scale of the conflict and the underlying theme of sacrifice would lead to a bittersweet ending—to do otherwise would betray the agonizing decisions Shepard had to make along the way. Still, we wanted to give players the chance to experience an inspiring and uplifting ending; in a story where you face a hopeless struggle for basic survival, we see the final moments and imagery as offering victory and hope in the context of sacrifice and reflection.
We've had some incredibly positive reactions to Mass Effect 3, from the New York Times declaring it “a gripping, coherent triumph”, to Penny Arcadecalling it “an amazing accomplishment”, to emails and tweets from players who have given us the most profound words of appreciation we've ever received.
But we also recognize that some of our most passionate fans needed more closure, more answers, and more time to say goodbye to their stories—and these comments are equally valid. Player feedback such as this has always been an essential ingredient in the development of the series.

That my friends is a superb PR spin on 45,000 players and whoever is not on BSN. It effectively says, game over. There wont be another ending.
Well atleast the kids got a good chunk money outta this.

I wouldn't be so quick with that. I believe this means that they are starting to feel the heat. This is us forcing them to play their hand. At this point they are making  a lot of statements similar to this hoping to get us to back down. Right now is a critical juncture for us this could be our make or break moment. We can't back down.

[WvStolzing]

Again, people----read this before taking your next step: http://social.biowar...ndex/10084349/1

Modifié par WvStolzing, 17 mars 2012 - 03:22 .

[CimCake]

Zulmoka531 wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

 In case people didn't go to the other thread...

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Guys, this is an ongoing dialogue. Casey's post is not the final definitive answer to your concerns. This is a collaboration. 

In order to be successful in this, I need you to help me gathering feedback and tell us what you want to see. I understand that people are still feeling emotionally raw or untrusting, and I'm not saying it's not valid to feel that way. However, if you want to see your feedback implemented, this needs to become constructive and rational. 

Complaining more isn't going to get you what you want. Tell us what you need. Make polls, collect your thoughts. Chris and I are gathering this information and the developers are listening. 

This is a partnership. Let's have hope and make your voice heard - that includes positive feedback too (if you like something we're doing, tell us so we know to keep it up!). 

So, guys, let's get moving!! We need to be as organized as possible and make it clear that we do not want in game dlc (at least not yet) and what we want exactly from the end.

It is far from over. We just got them to really listen to us! 

I'd tread with caution with that quote of hers. She's right that we need to get some solid ideas rolling, after all without that our cause falls flat (though it's sad we are doing their job for them). But this is also part of the PR damage control method.

So while ignoring it is foolhardy, trusting it completely can lead into a very cleverly hidden trap.

As per example "You will know that there’s a genuine need for dialogue in the corporate bunker when the message turns from “we’re listening” to “we acknowledge we may have
a disconnect with our consumers and are willing to discuss a meaningful
solution to the problem.” It signals an end to non-committed deflection
and opening genuine talks to solve the problem (it’s knows as “Exposing
Your Throat” btw). At present, you’ll notice Bioware/EA has only said
they will “explain” the endings. That’s not a give, that’s a delay
tactic."

I agree 100%
We should post our thoughts there, given that the indoctrination theory is correct we should put ideas for what should come after this so called ending. But once we've done that we should by no means think that that is that and just go about our daily business. We need to keep the pressure on to signal to them that this is not OK.

Keep holding the line people, but remember to be polite and constructive about it.
CimCake vas Sweden, signing out, for it is far too late for me to be up and about (4.25 am (oh god what am I doing up at this ungodly hour :S ) )

[Zulmoka531]

Again with Jessica's post, read ALL of this:
http://social.biowar...ndex/10084349/1

Just an excerpt that I feel matches what she said to a T:
"You will know that there’s a genuine need for dialogue in the corporate bunker when the message turns from “we’re listening” to “we acknowledge we may have a disconnect with our consumers and are willing to discuss a meaningful solution to the problem.” It signals an end to non-committed deflection and opening genuine talks to solve the problem (it’s knows as “Exposing Your Throat” btw). At present, you’ll notice Bioware/EA has only said they will “explain” the endings. That’s not a give, that’s a delay tactic."

[People4Peace]

Vandriel wrote...

http://social.biowar.../index/10098213

Guys, this is where we need the really talented writers to come in as well. Anyone remember what page that post was on about the alt ending? The one with all the epilogues and shepard's children going to a new galaxy?

And please, please, please! Be respectful and formal as possible there. This is where they are going to collect their information from if we come off as a bunch of "Durrr fix ur own ending" (not saying anyone in this thread has, but just incase) then the momentum we just got (which is a hell of a lot more than we had 3 hours ago) goes away.

List your problems, talk about the plotholes and how you would like to see them patched, be specific as possible, talk about how the ending felt, use other Bioware games as examples, but most of all be as crystal clear as possible. This is where we stop just standing and holding the line, and start making steps forward with that line.

Excellent.

I will definitely write a post but I am going take some time with it. I want it to be as clear and thoughtful as possible. In addition to our posts, I think linking some articles or videos that highlight the problem is helpful as well. 

[JamesYHT]

Chronor wrote...

Was thinking the same thing.

It's surprising to me, but when I read Casey's message, I started to nerd rage.

I'm Holding The Line to show support!

JamesYHT wrote...

Sacred Of the Grey Wardens wrote...

Just a quick update on something I saw.

Has anyone else noticed that Origin is offering the Batman game for $10 if you buy Mass Effect 3?

Just noticed because I had it opened up to chat with some friends.

Funny, isn't that almost like what they did for DA2?? Get DA2, and get ME2???

Anyways, that's all I have to report.

Sacred out.

yup, i saw that yesterday. guess they try to boost sales, huh

rage is bad for health, his jod is write article with no meaning....why bother...

[TamiBx]

Zulmoka531 wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

 In case people didn't go to the other thread...

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Guys, this is an ongoing dialogue. Casey's post is not the final definitive answer to your concerns. This is a collaboration. 

In order to be successful in this, I need you to help me gathering feedback and tell us what you want to see. I understand that people are still feeling emotionally raw or untrusting, and I'm not saying it's not valid to feel that way. However, if you want to see your feedback implemented, this needs to become constructive and rational. 

Complaining more isn't going to get you what you want. Tell us what you need. Make polls, collect your thoughts. Chris and I are gathering this information and the developers are listening. 

This is a partnership. Let's have hope and make your voice heard - that includes positive feedback too (if you like something we're doing, tell us so we know to keep it up!). 

So, guys, let's get moving!! We need to be as organized as possible and make it clear that we do not want in game dlc (at least not yet) and what we want exactly from the end.

It is far from over. We just got them to really listen to us! 

I'd tread with caution with that quote of hers. She's right that we need to get some solid ideas rolling, after all without that our cause falls flat (though it's sad we are doing their job for them). But this is also part of the PR damage control method.

So while ignoring it is foolhardy, trusting it completely can lead into a very cleverly hidden trap.

As per example "You will know that there’s a genuine need for dialogue in the corporate bunker when the message turns from “we’re listening” to “we acknowledge we may have
a disconnect with our consumers and are willing to discuss a meaningful
solution to the problem.” It signals an end to non-committed deflection
and opening genuine talks to solve the problem (it’s knows as “Exposing
Your Throat” btw). At present, you’ll notice Bioware/EA has only said
they will “explain” the endings. That’s not a give, that’s a delay
tactic."

That's why we need to annoy them as much as possible now. 

[Mavkiel]

Does anyone here honestly believe they need more information on what is wrong with the ending? It has been beaten to death in probably 100 or more threads, not counting this one. The same can be said with what we expected the ending to have.

*shrugs* At best this is a stall tactic while they create an ending that makes sense.

Part of me is almost tempted to believe that the ending was planned to be this bad, and that they have a "real" ending waiting for when the game is released world wide. The ending is just so bad its surprising it got through any quality control.

Modifié par Mavkiel, 17 mars 2012 - 03:26 .

[WvStolzing]

A little off-topic, but:

Could anyone send me the hardlinks to the M. Shields comics?
Threads dedicated to him are in a mess.

[Lord Costantino]

People4Peace wrote...

The Big Palooka wrote...

Reposting this again, because everyone, everyone, everyone needs to read the first post of this thread:

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10084349/1

Hold the Line.

Wow, this is great! Thanks for reposting this!

People read THIS!

We need to continue to Hold the Line until we get a solid answer and they need to stop calling us "some fans" no we are the majority...

[lordnyx1]

Mavkiel wrote...
Part of me is almost tempted to believe that the ending was planned to be this bad, and that they have a "real" ending waiting for when the game is released world wide. The ending is just so bad its surprising it got through any quality control.

Game has been released worldwide for a few days now...

[TamiBx]

Mavkiel wrote...

Does anyone here honestly believe they need more information on what is wrong with the ending? It has been beaten to death in probably 100 or more threads, not counting this one. The same can be said with what we expected the ending to have.

*shrugs* At best this is a stall tactic while they create an ending that makes sense.

Part of me is almost tempted to believe that the ending was planned to be this bad, and that they have a "real" ending waiting for when the game is released world wide. The ending is just so bad its surprising it got through any quality control.

They're just lazy to look over all these pages...and they're probably trying to make us say what we want and go away after saying it. Thing is, I plan on saying what I want and staying until they say the ending dlc is coming out. 

[Jorojr]

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10084349/1


Page bookmarked for future updates and citations.  Read it folks and continue to hold the line. 

[People4Peace]

Dj14365 wrote...

Zhijn wrote...

We always intended that the scale of the conflict and the underlying theme of sacrifice would lead to a bittersweet ending—to do otherwise would betray the agonizing decisions Shepard had to make along the way. Still, we wanted to give players the chance to experience an inspiring and uplifting ending; in a story where you face a hopeless struggle for basic survival, we see the final moments and imagery as offering victory and hope in the context of sacrifice and reflection.
We've had some incredibly positive reactions to Mass Effect 3, from the New York Times declaring it “a gripping, coherent triumph”, to Penny Arcadecalling it “an amazing accomplishment”, to emails and tweets from players who have given us the most profound words of appreciation we've ever received.
But we also recognize that some of our most passionate fans needed more closure, more answers, and more time to say goodbye to their stories—and these comments are equally valid. Player feedback such as this has always been an essential ingredient in the development of the series.

That my friends is a superb PR spin on 45,000 players and whoever is not on BSN. It effectively says, game over. There wont be another ending.
Well atleast the kids got a good chunk money outta this.

I wouldn't be so quick with that. I believe this means that they are starting to feel the heat. This is us forcing them to play their hand. At this point they are making  a lot of statements similar to this hoping to get us to back down. Right now is a critical juncture for us this could be our make or break moment. We can't back down.

Exactly. Don't give up and don't back down. As far as I am concerned, they will get what they want when that happens. We must keep moving forward.

Be strong and hold the line!!!