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[KaiserinKai]

Posting another PM from a person who can't register.

imporator wrote...



I think this VERY IMPORTANT Thread should be read and repostet as often as is possible.

http://social.biowar...ndex/10084349/1

So that everyone who was offline not falls for BW's PR-Tricks

regards
imporator
Hold the line and dont forget the sacrifice of Marauder Shields

[Fox544]

Cro730 wrote...

Fox544 wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

The N7 weekend is a joke. And we're the punchline.

To any of you people willing or wishing to participate in this BS know that all you're doing is taking a momentary satisfaction to the detriment of what we all want, a real ending.

This N7 thing lasts for a weekend, the ending will last for years. Which one is more important to you?

Agreed. If you're playing the game Bioware knows you arn't serious. Only when their sales and traffic crash will they take notice.

even though theres the potential to unlock rare weapons, I almost see them as weapons of weakness. Cause you participated in raising their stats.
Although I do like multiplayer, just not the ending... it's a very tempting offer. It would not affect my stance on the movement however.

Thats the problem. It may not change your opinion but what does Bioware care? You're still playing their game. Its like saying you'll never eat at a restaurant again while looking at the menu.

[malra]

now I know I've missed something, why is there a question about underwear in the poll?

[KaiserinKai]

ashley_actually wrote...

KaiserinKai wrote...

Generic Name wrote...

As much as I'd like to continue on with my Vanguard through ME2 I'm not going to touch any of the games until an ending DLC is confirmed.

This hurts me.

You will know pain, Shepard. I know you feel this.

So it's time for this to be posted again? Excellent 
youtu.be/3xYHsyCyDvs

I have that song on my iPod, listened to it over and over, to the point where his quotes are stuck in my head and I was able to pull out those two in an instant.

...Oh snap, am I being indoctrinated?

[People4Peace]

TheBull wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

People4Peace wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

 Honestly, I don't see why people only want bittersweet endings. Why not make all of them available? I mean, I am pretty sure that with the death of many, it is sad enough. This isn't supposed to be tragedy...or else I would have never started playing it...

Exactly.

It can still be bitter without Shep dying and/or everyone in the galaxy getting screwed. And like I said before, there should be a WIDE range of choices that ALLOWS the player to end Shep's story the way they want. Something Bioware missed the mark on...to say the least.

And again, DA:O is the perfect example. You actually decide the fate of the Warden....and we should be able to decide the fate of Shep. There are enough aspects of the story that makes it bitter yet it completely lacks the "sweet" part. Some people find the ending hopeful....and I just don't understand that.

I don't either. You want your Shepard to die? That option should be available for you (as it was in ME2). You want your Shepard to live? That option should also be available. 
And yes, DA:O had all of those options...it was perfect. Everything you did tied up really well at the end. Why can't that happen in ME3? Why do they have to make everything so...linear? Die die and die? 

I have nothing against dark endings, we can even have one but let us have "at least" 1 good one were we don't die
Make it the hardest one to get and i would be fine with that.....oh and the Relays of course

Bionic Weapon said...
So the question is why fix what ain't broke? Like you said DA:O  had all
available outcomes. So why not here? They wanted the endings to be
remembered and talked about. Wouldn't  that happen if each person choose
something different (say a person choose sacrifice and another choose
to live through the sadness and loss) then we'd talk about why this
outcome fit into our Shepards story. It works out for everyone.

@TamiBx  I completely agree. The ending feels so off....which is part of the reason why I think they planned this and have addition content for the ending.

@TheBull I also agree that the "perfect/happy" ending should be hard to achieve.

@Bionic Weapon There could be various answers to your question. The ME team was completely out of touch and thought everyone would like the endings? I seriously doubt this but it's possible. They didn't have enough time to release the game with the ending they wanted - therefore ending DLC. They wanted to cause a backlash/dialogue about the ending.....a certain dialogue that wouldn't happen if we know the rest of the story. They (if the indoctrination theory is correct) did something that no gaming company has done before - part of which includes players believing in a lie before the "truth" is finally exposed. So until ending DLC is released (which I think will happen) or until they explain the ending, I can't say for sure. But I think some of the reasons above hold more weight than others.

EDIT: Sorry for the late response....reading up on some Indoc. theory info

Modifié par People4Peace, 17 mars 2012 - 05:39 .

[Hydralysk]

Wow, I jsut spent over 2 hours writting my response in the suggested feedback article. Doubt it'll have an effect, but at least I know I tried my hardest.

[Soundsystem]

Saw this on another thread. Totally agreed and thought I would share.

Fapmaster5000 wrote...



I really want to know why they didn't simply scale up the Suicide Mission from ME2. Replace squad members "go here, do this" with RACES. The more people you got on your team, to more War Assets you could deploy. Scale up, deploy the might of the galaxy at a macro-level (cutscene or audio, like in ME2), while managing your squad at the micro-level (just like ME2), and playing the game for your team (just like ME2).

And then give some darn closure.

I feel like it would really have opened up a wide variety of endings, as the ending could change depending how you deploy various races/what races you have.

[Neroteyen]

malra wrote...

now I know I've missed something, why is there a question about underwear in the poll?

Lol 10$ says thats for the fanBOY's

[IndustrializedTaco]

Fox544 wrote...

Cro730 wrote...

Fox544 wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

The N7 weekend is a joke. And we're the punchline.

To any of you people willing or wishing to participate in this BS know that all you're doing is taking a momentary satisfaction to the detriment of what we all want, a real ending.

This N7 thing lasts for a weekend, the ending will last for years. Which one is more important to you?

Agreed. If you're playing the game Bioware knows you arn't serious. Only when their sales and traffic crash will they take notice.

even though theres the potential to unlock rare weapons, I almost see them as weapons of weakness. Cause you participated in raising their stats.
Although I do like multiplayer, just not the ending... it's a very tempting offer. It would not affect my stance on the movement however.

Thats the problem. It may not change your opinion but what does Bioware care? You're still playing their game. Its like saying you'll never eat at a restaurant again while looking at the menu.

I don't see the problem with playing. I may not like the ending, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to play the game ever until it's fixed. I love the game, it's amazing up until the end.

[Fox544]

Visii wrote...

Just thought I'd leave this here:

Brent Knowles, who was the lead designer on Dragon Age: Origins, and one of the old guard Bioware developers (Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights), and, when he quit Bioware, made the interesting observation that "Bioware is no longer the company I remember". He's talked a little bit about the ME3 situation on his blog:

"I read one recent blog post where the writer basically said "the ending was awesome because it was just like a movie" and I think she was missing the point.

It is a game. Not a movie.

And more specifically, its a role-playing game. The players are *part* of the game. Part of the process of building and experiencing the game, much more so than with most other forms of entertainment.

Entitlement is really a right, for the gamer, because they have participated, actively, in the game itself.

Again, I can't speak to the actual ending myself, because I have not played it but in general I'd say a Role-Playing Video Game Trilogy Ending should (try to) do the following:

1. Reward the player's choices throughout the series. The big stuff they did should be noted. They should *feel* like they had a unique impact on the world.

2. End on a positive note. This is really important for video games...life in general is full of s****y stuff happening all the time. When I invest a hundred hours into a game I need to walk away feeling like a hero.

When you waste a couple hours of a person's life with an artsy/depressing movie or short story or even a novel, it is more forgivable because the time spent is less. And presumably the consumer knew what they were going into when they started. Certain directors create certain styles of movie. Certain writers write specific types of fiction.

On the other hand somebody playing an epic role-playing video-game trilogy is going to *expect* to be the hero and save the universe. That's why they are playing the game. When expectations don't match reality, disappointment is created.

It might be an artistic/creative move to go with a different style of ending but I feel its the wrong choice, especially for a videogame *trilogy*. Make your middle game bleak if you want to, but end the series on a high note."

Source: http://blog.brentkno...nd-day-one-dlc/ (in the comments section).

This guy knows his stuff. You play a game to escape, not to be depressed.

[ashley_actually]

KaiserinKai wrote...

ashley_actually wrote...

KaiserinKai wrote...

Generic Name wrote...

As much as I'd like to continue on with my Vanguard through ME2 I'm not going to touch any of the games until an ending DLC is confirmed.

This hurts me.

You will know pain, Shepard. I know you feel this.

So it's time for this to be posted again? Excellent 
youtu.be/3xYHsyCyDvs

I have that song on my iPod, listened to it over and over, to the point where his quotes are stuck in my head and I was able to pull out those two in an instant.

...Oh snap, am I being indoctrinated?

Now we know the end comes through catchy pop numbers. Somehow I always knew it would. 

[Fox544]

beetlebailey123 wrote...

Fox544 wrote...

Cro730 wrote...

Fox544 wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

The N7 weekend is a joke. And we're the punchline.

To any of you people willing or wishing to participate in this BS know that all you're doing is taking a momentary satisfaction to the detriment of what we all want, a real ending.

This N7 thing lasts for a weekend, the ending will last for years. Which one is more important to you?

Agreed. If you're playing the game Bioware knows you arn't serious. Only when their sales and traffic crash will they take notice.

even though theres the potential to unlock rare weapons, I almost see them as weapons of weakness. Cause you participated in raising their stats.
Although I do like multiplayer, just not the ending... it's a very tempting offer. It would not affect my stance on the movement however.

Thats the problem. It may not change your opinion but what does Bioware care? You're still playing their game. Its like saying you'll never eat at a restaurant again while looking at the menu.

I don't see the problem with playing. I may not like the ending, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to play the game ever until it's fixed. I love the game, it's amazing up until the end.

Then don't expect to be taken seriously by Bioware. Thats all I'm saying. This is a PR tactic specifically to see who will cave.

[Neroteyen]

www.youtube.com/watch

[Solotalento]

Hydralysk wrote...

Wow, I jsut spent over 2 hours writting my response in the suggested feedback article. Doubt it'll have an effect, but at least I know I tried my hardest.

read this
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10084349/1#10084349

the suggested feedback thread is just another delay tactic

Modifié par Solotalento, 17 mars 2012 - 05:42 .

[Vardtmardtr]

If you guys haven't heard, (And if you have, sorry for repost) there's a thread now for suggested ME3 ending changes. Head over there now to give your two creds!
http://social.biowar...213/30#10105977

[unclee]

Neroteyen wrote...

unclee wrote...

I'd like them to do like Bethesda did with FO3 and annouce a DLC roadmap when they get around to talking about it. Even if no ending changes are coming, I'd rather know what's coming out and when from the outset than wait for each to release before hearing about the next.

The only thing that worries me is the feedback thread that the community managers put up. I see a lot of people asking for what amounts to their own personal endings, and that's the kind of thing that's just going to make Bioware say "see? this is why we went with the ending we did."

Also, I see a lot of requests for extensive LI reunion/endings, which goes with the above but also pushes things a bit to far towards "unicorns and rainbows" for my tastes.

I know a lot of people want Shepard to find happiness with his/her LI in the end, but that's the kind of thing I feel Bioware could sucessfully leave up to our imaginations. Probably not the popular opinion around here, but that's just my two cents.

Could be. When I posted I tried to hit the key notes that had to be changed IOM and then Give an example. But I dont expect theyll follow it word for word. But so long as they fix it Im cool with how they want to interpret it. Just so long as its fixed.

I'm not saying everyone is doing it. People like you are doing your best to respond with well thought out, feasible feedback that's genuinely good. However, I just feel that far too many people are posting what they specifically want and, just as big, their desire to see Shepard live happily-ever-after with the LI.

IMO that's a problem because, despite the fact that Bioware is watching that thread, the amount of responses that they're going to get is gonna make it next to impossible for them to read every single post. It's more likely they'll see what's popping up most often and go from there. If that's how they handle it then it's going to work against us, not in our favor.

[Cro730]

Fox544 wrote...

Cro730 wrote...

Fox544 wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

The N7 weekend is a joke. And we're the punchline.

To any of you people willing or wishing to participate in this BS know that all you're doing is taking a momentary satisfaction to the detriment of what we all want, a real ending.

This N7 thing lasts for a weekend, the ending will last for years. Which one is more important to you?

Agreed. If you're playing the game Bioware knows you arn't serious. Only when their sales and traffic crash will they take notice.

even though theres the potential to unlock rare weapons, I almost see them as weapons of weakness. Cause you participated in raising their stats.
Although I do like multiplayer, just not the ending... it's a very tempting offer. It would not affect my stance on the movement however.

Thats the problem. It may not change your opinion but what does Bioware care? You're still playing their game. Its like saying you'll never eat at a restaurant again while looking at the menu.

point taken. I shall proudly not partake in this weekends event.

[People4Peace]

Hydralysk wrote...

Wow, I jsut spent over 2 hours writting my response in the suggested feedback article. Doubt it'll have an effect, but at least I know I tried my hardest.

That's awesome! I will probably spend just as long (maybe even longer) writing my response. Certainly all of our voices together can't be ignored....

Anyways, thanks and good job!

[baronkohinar]

Solotalento wrote...

the suggested feedback thread is just another delay tactic

Agreed, though doesn't mean we still can't give them more feedback though, so long as we continue our holding of said line.

[ashley_actually]

Generic Name wrote...

ashley_actually wrote...
So it's time for this to be posted again? Excellent 
youtu.be/3xYHsyCyDvs

How have I missed this?

 

It's been popping up every now and then. It helps people cope with the post ending blues. 
If you are are looking for something in the R and B wheelhouse this one is good for a laugh. 
youtu.be/go-9Dp55TvY

Holding the line heavy risk...but the prriizzzzeeeee. 

[Generic Name]

They should just run with the Indoc theory as it has been flushed out by the community with their own plot holes and would most likely be the easiest to implement.

[Nharia1]

TamiBx wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

As my fleet tells you, I am Brazilian. So I speak Portuguese. 

My dad lived in Brazil when he was young! o.O I've never heard him speak any Portuguese though... And you know Japanese? Wow! I also know a bit of French, but barely any, not even enough to ask for anything... v,v

You probably know more than you think.
And yeah, I lived in Japan when I was younger, and it is my major in college now. 
(and in case you are wondering, I live in the US)

And on a side note: I have sent the invitation to the Japanese gamers. Let's hope they join us. They aren't happy about it at all; they even said it didn't matter who they romanced because everyone was going to die anyways. 

I hope they do join, it'll be nice to see/hear from some fresh voices.

[PhoenixDove1]

Just wanted to give a great big hug for everyone deliberately not doing mp this weekend. ~hug~ for people who will no hate on you for it.

[Neroteyen]

unclee wrote...

Neroteyen wrote...

unclee wrote...

I'd like them to do like Bethesda did with FO3 and annouce a DLC roadmap when they get around to talking about it. Even if no ending changes are coming, I'd rather know what's coming out and when from the outset than wait for each to release before hearing about the next.

The only thing that worries me is the feedback thread that the community managers put up. I see a lot of people asking for what amounts to their own personal endings, and that's the kind of thing that's just going to make Bioware say "see? this is why we went with the ending we did."

Also, I see a lot of requests for extensive LI reunion/endings, which goes with the above but also pushes things a bit to far towards "unicorns and rainbows" for my tastes.

I know a lot of people want Shepard to find happiness with his/her LI in the end, but that's the kind of thing I feel Bioware could sucessfully leave up to our imaginations. Probably not the popular opinion around here, but that's just my two cents.

Could be. When I posted I tried to hit the key notes that had to be changed IOM and then Give an example. But I dont expect theyll follow it word for word. But so long as they fix it Im cool with how they want to interpret it. Just so long as its fixed.

I'm not saying everyone is doing it. People like you are doing your best to respond with well thought out, feasible feedback that's genuinely good. However, I just feel that far too many people are posting what they specifically want and, just as big, their desire to see Shepard live happily-ever-after with the LI.

IMO that's a problem because, despite the fact that Bioware is watching that thread, the amount of responses that they're going to get is gonna make it next to impossible for them to read every single post. It's more likely they'll see what's popping up most often and go from there. If that's how they handle it then it's going to work against us, not in our favor.

That is possibble and there are alot of WISHLISTS. But there are also alot of well though out arguments. Just have to wait and see. and of course. HOLD THE LINE!

[Hydralysk]

Solotalento wrote...

Hydralysk wrote...

Wow, I jsut spent over 2 hours writting my response in the suggested feedback article. Doubt it'll have an effect, but at least I know I tried my hardest.

read this
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10084349/1#10084349

the suggested feedback thread is just another delay tactic

Then at least I've spent time writting the letter that I can email tommorow for the letter writing campaign, and frankly being able to voice my frustrations was a kind of therapy in and of itself.