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Nharia1

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Cro730 wrote...

Fox544 wrote...

Cro730 wrote...

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The N7 weekend is a joke. And we're the punchline.

To any of you people willing or wishing to participate in this BS know that all you're doing is taking a momentary satisfaction to the detriment of what we all want, a real ending.

This N7 thing lasts for a weekend, the ending will last for years. Which one is more important to you?


Agreed. If you're playing the game Bioware knows you arn't serious. Only when their sales and traffic crash will they take notice.

even though theres the potential to unlock rare weapons, I almost see them as weapons of weakness. Cause you participated in raising their stats.
Although I do like multiplayer, just not the ending... it's a very tempting offer. It would not affect my stance on the movement however.


Thats the problem. It may not change your opinion but what does Bioware care? You're still playing their game. Its like saying you'll never eat at a restaurant again while looking at the menu.

point taken. I shall proudly not partake in this weekends event.


I'll do MP, just not anything related to the N7 event... I'll be doing bronze maps the entire weekend, I'm fine with that.

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see ya all tomorrow

HOLD THE LINE !

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Oh man...I'll be honest but not playing the multiplayer this weekend is a bit hard for me. Mostly because it's the only part of ME3 that I can stand to play (it has closure= we live or we die and happy ending = extraction). I'm with you guys all the way but please don't think badly of me if I do MP *sobs*

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Oh it's only offered for Xbot and PC. I'm on the PS3 so this doesn't apply to me yay!

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baronkohinar wrote...

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the suggested feedback thread is just another delay tactic


Agreed, though doesn't mean we still can't give them more feedback though, so long as we continue our holding of said line.


true true

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Have to sleep. Japan (Forbes and all of us) ftw. Hold the line!

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wicked_being wrote...

Oh man...I'll be honest but not playing the multiplayer this weekend is a bit hard for me. Mostly because it's the only part of ME3 that I can stand to play (it has closure= we live or we die and happy ending = extraction). I'm with you guys all the way but please don't think badly of me if I do MP *sobs*


You could always help hold the line. People seem to be getting distracted with the stall tactic...

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malra wrote...

now I know I've missed something, why is there a question about underwear in the poll?


????

Profit!

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wicked_being wrote...

Oh man...I'll be honest but not playing the multiplayer this weekend is a bit hard for me. Mostly because it's the only part of ME3 that I can stand to play (it has closure= we live or we die and happy ending = extraction). I'm with you guys all the way but please don't think badly of me if I do MP *sobs*


LOL nice i feel the same way....<_<

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Nharia1 wrote...

I'll do MP, just not anything related to the N7 event... I'll be doing bronze maps the entire weekend, I'm fine with that.

same. standard multiplayer, nothing event related.

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Before I post, I personally thought the trilogy was wrapped up poorly and certainly flawed. Now...

The Re-Take campaign appears to be over. Sorry folks.

If you think Hudson's letter (which he didn't even post himself) lends any hope? lol. You really must be desperate for good news. The PR damage control is obviously in it's last stages, and they're just wrapping things up in the backyard. 

If you think Hudson asking for feedback on the ending because they've absolutely no idea on what the fans 'wanted' translates to any form of promise/compromise for a new Ending DLC, you need a reality check. They're not gonna start a project that would take them months for a DLC that totally invalidates/replaces the ending they chose while they're getting pats on the backs from their peers and the gaming media.

You lost on the media front. You have to understand, one of uniques about the gaming industry, is how closely tied majority of its media outlets are tied to the developers.

There might be a bit of a split on whether or not the ending is good, and based on numerous major outlets I read/listen to, it's a pretty even split actually. However, regardless of how they feel about the ending, the majority of the media does not support the idea of 'redo' on the ending at all. Not only because how closely tied they are to Bioware both business-wise and often personally, but also because the gaming media has a bit of a complex when it comes to 'integrity' of games as an 'entertainment medium' compared other forms of media (TVs, books, and movies). Bioware redoing the ending in response to the fans would be like a nightmare and a step back for them, because it's something you'd never see in TVs, books, or movies (which is ironic, given how much they've pushed/embraced the concept of DLCs this gaming generation).

The Child's Play movement was very neat to see. However, for every media coverage that at least showed/mentioned the movement in a positive light or at least somewhat of a neutral stance, there have been at least two-three doing just the opposite, regardless of how they felt about the endings themselves.

At this point, this movement has fully been classified by the 'outside world' as a movement by the minority of disheartened fans (in most cases just "sappy idiots that didn't get it"), or as Hudson put it "some of our most passionate fans". Hudson finally coming out and starting to speak to the community shows that their damage-control in the media is more or less done. Now all he has to do is calm its fan-base down with questions like "well what would YOU like to see?" and bait the desperate hopefuls into going 'guys guys let's be calm and see what happens', and wait for the movement to break itself apart. You're already seeing a split in the movement about this, and as more time goes on, the still-vitriol-filled fans will start acting up and reinforce the ugly image, and most people just get tired of it. This was bound to happen anyway, considering a DLC as substantial as the ones people would be satisfied with would take MONTHS of planning and production, there's no way this kinda movement/vitriol would last that long. At the end of the day, it's still just a game, and people have lives to live.

Even if Bioware decided to change the ending, you REALLY think they could do a good job at this point? Voice assets, in-game assets, and all of the other **** they would have to change around and fix? What? For a fan-approved ending, they never had the mind to do or fully understood in the first place? How is a product of something like that going to appease you? Only thing they could possibly do within a reasonable timeframe/budget is maybe tack on a few cut-scenes and maybe add an epilogue or whatever.

While Bioware enjoys its pats on the back and cookies sent by JJ Abrams (yea he did that), you're just gonna have to come to terms with the fact that one of most significant and well-done trilogies/series in the past decade just happens to have a crappy conclusion. The game is done, while it was an amazing ride and definitely a hallmark in the history of gaming, the ending sucked, and I am sorry, but I just can't see that changing.

ps. I absolutely enjoyed all of the things this controversy stirred up, and some of the questions it raised about fan-bases, the gaming media, and the 'integrity' of the creative process. Also, Child's Play movement was very nice to see, good on you guys.

Modifié par pikey1969, 17 mars 2012 - 05:53 .


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Fox544 wrote...

beetlebailey123 wrote...

Fox544 wrote...

Cro730 wrote...

Fox544 wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

The N7 weekend is a joke. And we're the punchline.

To any of you people willing or wishing to participate in this BS know that all you're doing is taking a momentary satisfaction to the detriment of what we all want, a real ending.

This N7 thing lasts for a weekend, the ending will last for years. Which one is more important to you?


Agreed. If you're playing the game Bioware knows you arn't serious. Only when their sales and traffic crash will they take notice.

even though theres the potential to unlock rare weapons, I almost see them as weapons of weakness. Cause you participated in raising their stats.
Although I do like multiplayer, just not the ending... it's a very tempting offer. It would not affect my stance on the movement however.


Thats the problem. It may not change your opinion but what does Bioware care? You're still playing their game. Its like saying you'll never eat at a restaurant again while looking at the menu.

I don't see the problem with playing. I may not like the ending, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to play the game ever until it's fixed. I love the game, it's amazing up until the end.


Then don't expect to be taken seriously by Bioware. Thats all I'm saying. This is a PR tactic specifically to see who will cave.

We will cave if we play Multi player? I'm pretty sure the donations, and the posts have gotten our point across. Were still holding the line. I'm sorry I somehow doubt this is a ploy to get us to cave. Plus I have the collectors edition I'm fine with having my weapons in single player. :D

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WvStolzing wrote...

 Goodnight everyone....and before I go, I'll post this spoof I made today (again. :bandit:). I think it came out better than I expected. I know some of you don't like these 'meme's, but here's a reinterpretation of one of the most notorious:
In A.D. 2186 war was ending.
[The Reaper defending the Portal is defeated]
Shepard: What happen ?
Anderson: Somebody set up us the beam.
Garrus: We get signal.
Shepard: What !
Anderson: Holo screen turn on
Shepard: It's You!!!
CASPER: How are you gentlemen !!
CASPER: All your mass relay are belong to us
CASPER: You are on the way to ending
Shepard: What you say !!
CASPER: You have no chance to meaning, pick color
CASPER: HA HA HA HA ....
Shepard: Take out every magic gun
Shepard: You know what you doing
Shepard: Move magic gun 
Shepard: For great ending


Hahahah that's great :D Still better writing than ME3 ending too...!

I played multiplayer for the first time last night. I wouldn't have done except there are a few friends who want to play. And I'll grudgingly admit that I kind of enjoyed it. But for your sakes I will stay away this weekend.

Stay strong and stay civil folks. :)

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I smell a troll.

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social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10084349/1#10084349

It seems like the 'distract people with shiny things/offering to listen' is weakening our unity. Post your feedback, maybe they'll listen. If you absolutely must, play the MP, but it doesn't change anything. We must hold here until we'e got what we've been fighting for.

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Cro730 wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

I'll do MP, just not anything related to the N7 event... I'll be doing bronze maps the entire weekend, I'm fine with that.

same. standard multiplayer, nothing event related.


What system? Maybe we could hook up and do some maps together or something? (need like 7 more percent to bring it back up to 100)

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Hydralysk wrote...

Solotalento wrote...

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Wow, I jsut spent over 2 hours writting my response in the suggested feedback article. Doubt it'll have an effect, but at least I know I tried my hardest.


read this
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10084349/1#10084349

the suggested feedback thread is just another delay tactic


Then at least I've spent time writting the letter that I can email tommorow for the letter writing campaign, and frankly being able to voice my frustrations was a kind of therapy in and of itself.


not "at least" its good you wrote something and many over people did too

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Goodwood wrote...

I smell a troll.


Perfect time for a 'Did not read' gif.

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Goodwood wrote...

I smell a troll.


Where? The Casey Hudson thing? or somewhere else? :? Either way that's not good...

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unclee wrote...
 their desire to see Shepard live happily-ever-after with the LI.

Eh, If after waiting 5 years for the conclusion to this series the people who want this are not in any way entitled to it, then...

What's the problem of offering the option to it?

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g_bassi13 wrote...

malra wrote...

now I know I've missed something, why is there a question about underwear in the poll?


????

Profit!

didn't know underwear was a problem for anyone.  i've been told apparently its the fanboys.

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The N7 Nights stuff is a PR tactic meant to distract players from the larger issue at hand. Standard procedure in events such as this. If it were originally planned before the major backlash from the endings, I wouldn't have a problem participating in it. However, since it is intended as a stopgap to try and prevent revenue loss, I'll not be participating.

That's right, Bioware. Xbox gamertag CompuNerd27 shall not be seen during your event.

I'll be over here with the rest of the fleets, holding the line.

Modifié par infinitekilan, 17 mars 2012 - 05:54 .


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Shipboard clocks indicate rest cycle approaching. G'night all
Remember keep it civil and HOLD THE LINE!
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pikey1969 wrote...

Before I post, I personally thought the trilogy was wrapped up poorly and certainly flawed. Now...

The Re-Take campaign appears to be over. Sorry folks.

If you think Hudson's letter (which he didn't even post himself) lends any hope? lol. You really must be desperate for good news. The PR damage control is obviously in it's last stages, and they're just wrapping things up in the backyard. 

If you think Hudson asking for feedback on the ending because they've absolutely no idea on what the fans 'wanted' translates to any form of promise/compromise for a new Ending DLC, you need a reality check. They're not gonna start a project that would take them months for a DLC that totally invalidates/replaces the ending they chose while they're getting pats on the backs from their peers and the gaming media.

You lost on the media front. You have to understand, one of uniques about the gaming industry, is how closely tied majority of its media outlets are tied to the developers.

There might be a bit of a split on whether or not the ending is good, and based on numerous major outlets I read/listen to, it's a pretty even split actually. However, regardless of how they feel about the ending, the majority of the media does not support the idea of 'redo' on the ending at all. Not only because how closely tied they are to Bioware both business-wise and often personally, but also because the gaming media has a bit of a complex when it comes to 'integrity' of games as an 'entertainment medium' compared other forms of media (TVs, books, and movies). Bioware redoing the ending in response to the fans would be like a nightmare and a step back for them, because it's something you'd never see in TVs, books, or movies (which is ironic, given how much they've pushed/embraced the concept of DLCs this gaming generation).

The Child's Play movement was very neat to see. However, for every media coverage that at least showed/mentioned the movement in a positive light or at least somewhat of a neutral stance, there have been at least two-three doing just the opposite, regardless of how they felt about the endings themselves.

At this point, this movement has fully been classified by the 'outside world' as a movement by the minority of disheartened fans (in most cases just "sappy idiots that didn't get it"), or as Hudson put it "some of our most passionate fans". Hudson finally coming out and starting to speak to the community shows that their damage-control in the media is more or less done. Now all he has to do is calm its fan-base down with questions like "well what would YOU like to see?" and bait the desperate hopefuls into going 'guys guys let's be calm and see what happens', and wait for the movement to break itself apart. You're already seeing a split in the movement about this, and as more time goes on, the still-vitriol-filled fans will start acting up and reinforce the ugly image, and most people just get tired of it. This was bound to happen anyway, considering a DLC as substantial as the ones people would be satisfied with would take MONTHS of planning and production, there's no way this kinda movement/vitriol would last that long. At the end of the day, it's still just a game, and people have lives to live.

Even if Bioware decided to change the ending, you REALLY think they could do a good job at this point? Voice assets, in-game assets, and all of the other **** they would have to change around and fix? What? For a fan-approved ending, they never had the mind to do or fully understood in the first place? How is a product of something like that going to appease you? Only thing they could possibly do within a reasonable timeframe/budget is maybe tack on a few cut-scenes and maybe add an epilogue or whatever.

While Bioware enjoys its pats on the back and cookies sent by JJ Abrams (yea he did that), you're just gonna have to come to terms with the fact that one of most significant and well-done trilogies/series in the past decade just happens to have a crappy conclusion. The game is done, while it was an amazing ride and definitely a hallmark in the history of gaming, the ending sucked, and I am sorry, but I just can't see that changing.

ps. I absolutely enjoyed all of the things this controversy stirred up, and some of the questions it raised about fan-bases, the gaming media, and the 'integrity' of the creative process. Also, Child's Play movement was very nice to see, good on you guys.

Quitter. 

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If you want to play multiplayer, go ahead. If you want to play the story, moar power to you. It shows that while we object to the blatant lies of the ending, we still do genuinely like the game!

Just make sure to keep up a good, hot masking fire and HOLD THE LINE!

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Nharia1 wrote...

Cro730 wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

I'll do MP, just not anything related to the N7 event... I'll be doing bronze maps the entire weekend, I'm fine with that.

same. standard multiplayer, nothing event related.


What system? Maybe we could hook up and do some maps together or something? (need like 7 more percent to bring it back up to 100)

xbox 360, of course. :)