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[Soundsystem]

beetlebailey123 wrote...

Fox544 wrote...

beetlebailey123 wrote...

Fox544 wrote...

Cro730 wrote...

Fox544 wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

The N7 weekend is a joke. And we're the punchline.

To any of you people willing or wishing to participate in this BS know that all you're doing is taking a momentary satisfaction to the detriment of what we all want, a real ending.

This N7 thing lasts for a weekend, the ending will last for years. Which one is more important to you?

Agreed. If you're playing the game Bioware knows you arn't serious. Only when their sales and traffic crash will they take notice.

even though theres the potential to unlock rare weapons, I almost see them as weapons of weakness. Cause you participated in raising their stats.
Although I do like multiplayer, just not the ending... it's a very tempting offer. It would not affect my stance on the movement however.

Thats the problem. It may not change your opinion but what does Bioware care? You're still playing their game. Its like saying you'll never eat at a restaurant again while looking at the menu.

I don't see the problem with playing. I may not like the ending, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to play the game ever until it's fixed. I love the game, it's amazing up until the end.

Then don't expect to be taken seriously by Bioware. Thats all I'm saying. This is a PR tactic specifically to see who will cave.

We will cave if we play Multi player? I'm pretty sure the donations, and the posts have gotten our point across. Were still holding the line. I'm sorry I somehow doubt this is a ploy to get us to cave. Plus I have the collectors edition I'm fine with having my weapons in single player.

Well, considering Bioware can track how many hours you log on ME3, playing the multiplayer this weekend will likely be taken as a sign that all is fine.

Not to mention it's clearly Bioware hoping the fanbase has really short attention spans and will be appeased by new shinies and stuff in MP.

I suggest you read the PR thread to get an idea of what PR damage control tactics are: http://social.biowar...ndex/10084349/1 

[Esker02]

pikey1969 wrote...
...

So give up because you say it's over? Yeah, alright. Then it really would be over.

I am curious, though. Why even take the time to write all of that? Do you think you're doing us a favor or something?

[IndustrializedTaco]

Goodwood wrote...

If you want to play multiplayer, go ahead. If you want to play the story, moar power to you. It shows that while we object to the blatant lies of the ending, we still do genuinely like the game!

Just make sure to keep up a good, hot masking fire and HOLD THE LINE!

This... HOLD THE LINE!

[infinitekilan]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

pikey1969 wrote...

Before I post, I personally thought the trilogy was wrapped up poorly and certainly flawed. Now...

The Re-Take campaign appears to be over. Sorry folks.

If you think Hudson's letter (which he didn't even post himself) lends any hope? lol. You really must be desperate for good news. The PR damage control is obviously in it's last stages, and they're just wrapping things up in the backyard. 

If you think Hudson asking for feedback on the ending because they've absolutely no idea on what the fans 'wanted' translates to any form of promise/compromise for a new Ending DLC, you need a reality check. They're not gonna start a project that would take them months for a DLC that totally invalidates/replaces the ending they chose while they're getting pats on the backs from their peers and the gaming media.

You lost on the media front. You have to understand, one of uniques about the gaming industry, is how closely tied majority of its media outlets are tied to the developers.

There might be a bit of a split on whether or not the ending is good, and based on numerous major outlets I read/listen to, it's a pretty even split actually. However, regardless of how they feel about the ending, the majority of the media does not support the idea of 'redo' on the ending at all. Not only because how closely tied they are to Bioware both business-wise and often personally, but also because the gaming media has a bit of a complex when it comes to 'integrity' of games as an 'entertainment medium' compared other forms of media (TVs, books, and movies). Bioware redoing the ending in response to the fans would be like a nightmare and a step back for them, because it's something you'd never see in TVs, books, or movies (which is ironic, given how much they've pushed/embraced the concept of DLCs this gaming generation).

The Child's Play movement was very neat to see. However, for every media coverage that at least showed/mentioned the movement in a positive light or at least somewhat of a neutral stance, there have been at least two-three doing just the opposite, regardless of how they felt about the endings themselves.

At this point, this movement has fully been classified by the 'outside world' as a movement by the minority of disheartened fans (in most cases just "sappy idiots that didn't get it"), or as Hudson put it "some of our most passionate fans". Hudson finally coming out and starting to speak to the community shows that their damage-control in the media is more or less done. Now all he has to do is calm its fan-base down with questions like "well what would YOU like to see?" and bait the desperate hopefuls into going 'guys guys let's be calm and see what happens', and wait for the movement to break itself apart. You're already seeing a split in the movement about this, and as more time goes on, the still-vitriol-filled fans will start acting up and reinforce the ugly image, and most people just get tired of it. This was bound to happen anyway, considering a DLC as substantial as the ones people would be satisfied with would take MONTHS of planning and production, there's no way this kinda movement/vitriol would last that long. At the end of the day, it's still just a game, and people have lives to live.

Even if Bioware decided to change the ending, you REALLY think they could do a good job at this point? Voice assets, in-game assets, and all of the other **** they would have to change around and fix? What? For a fan-approved ending, they never had the mind to do or fully understood in the first place? How is a product of something like that going to appease you? Only thing they could possibly do within a reasonable timeframe/budget is maybe tack on a few cut-scenes and maybe add an epilogue or whatever.

While Bioware enjoys its pats on the back and cookies sent by JJ Abrams (yea he did that), you're just gonna have to come to terms with the fact that one of most significant and well-done trilogies/series in the past decade just happens to have a crappy conclusion. The game is done, while it was an amazing ride and definitely a hallmark in the history of gaming, the ending sucked, and I am sorry, but I just can't see that changing.

ps. I absolutely enjoyed all of the things this controversy stirred up, and some of the questions it raised about fan-bases, the gaming media, and the 'integrity' of the creative process. Also, Child's Play movement was very nice to see, good on you guys.

Quitter. 

Their silence, and lack of any concrete decisions, is MEANT to derail us from our mission. EVERYTHING they are doing right now is straight out of the PR Damage Control playbook, meant to see if they can do anything to cause us to cave in before they give in to what we want.

Do not fall for it.

[KaiserinKai]

pikey1969 wrote...

Before I post, I personally thought the trilogy was wrapped up poorly and certainly flawed. Now...

The Re-Take campaign appears to be over. Sorry folks.

If you think Hudson's letter (which he didn't even post himself) lends any hope? lol. You really must be desperate for good news. The PR damage control is obviously in it's last stages, and they're just wrapping things up in the backyard. 

If you think Hudson asking for feedback on the ending because they've absolutely no idea on what the fans 'wanted' translates to any form of promise/compromise for a new Ending DLC, you need a reality check. They're not gonna start a project that would take them months for a DLC that totally invalidates/replaces the ending they chose while they're getting pats on the backs from their peers and the gaming media.

You lost on the media front. You have to understand, one of uniques about the gaming industry, is how closely tied majority of its media outlets are tied to the developers.

There might be a bit of a split on whether or not the ending is good, and based on numerous major outlets I read/listen to, it's a pretty even split actually. However, regardless of how they feel about the ending, the majority of the media does not support the idea of 'redo' on the ending at all. Not only because how closely tied they are to Bioware both business-wise and often personally, but also because the gaming media has a bit of a complex when it comes to 'integrity' of games as an 'entertainment medium' compared other forms of media (TVs, books, and movies). Bioware redoing the ending in response to the fans would be like a nightmare and a step back for them, because it's something you'd never see in TVs, books, or movies (which is ironic, given how much they've pushed/embraced the concept of DLCs this gaming generation).

The Child's Play movement was very neat to see. However, for every media coverage that at least showed/mentioned the movement in a positive light or at least somewhat of a neutral stance, there have been at least two-three doing just the opposite, regardless of how they felt about the endings themselves.

At this point, this movement has fully been classified by the 'outside world' (aka the real world) as a movement by the minority of disheartened fans (in most cases just sappy idiots that didn't get it), or as Hudson put it "some of our most passionate fans". Hudson finally coming out and starting to speak to the community shows that their damage-control in the media is more or less done. Now all he has to do is calm its fan-base down with questions like "well what would YOU like to see?" and bait the desperate hopefuls into going 'guys guys let's be calm and see what happens', and wait for the movement to break itself apart. You're already seeing a split in the movement about this, and as more time goes on, the still-vitriol-filled fans will start acting up and reinforce the ugly image, and most people just get tired of it. This was bound to happen anyway, considering a DLC as substantial as the ones people would be satisfied with would take MONTHS of planning and production.

Even if Bioware decides to change the ending, you REALLY think they could do a good job at this point? Voice assets, in-game assets, and all of the other **** they would have to change around and fix? What? For a fan-approved ending, they never had the mind to do or fully understand? How is a product of something like that going to appease you? Only thing they could possibly do within a reasonable timeframe/budget is maybe tack on a few cut-scenes and maybe add an epilogue or whatever.

While Bioware enjoys its pats on the back and cookies sent by JJ Abrams (yea he did that), you're just gonna have to come to terms with the fact that one of most significant and well-done trilogies/series in the past decade just happens to have a crappy conclusion. The game is done, while it was an amazing ride and definitely a hallmark in the history of gaming, the ending sucked, and I am sorry, but I just can't see that changing.

ps. I absolutely enjoyed all of the things this controversy stirred up, and some of the questions it raised about fan-bases, the gaming media, and the 'integrity' of the creative process. Also, Child's Play movement was very nice to see, good on you guys.

Only media suporting them are the game reviewers who are in EA's Pocket. We still have the credible ones (like Forbes) on our side.

You are not the one who judges when it's over.

This movement is far from over. We will keep holding that line!

[Goodwood]

beetlebailey123 wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

If you want to play multiplayer, go ahead. If you want to play the story, moar power to you. It shows that while we object to the blatant lies of the ending, we still do genuinely like the game!

Just make sure to keep up a good, hot masking fire and HOLD THE LINE!

This... HOLD THE LINE!

Nice username! We need Sarge to go over to Edmonton and give them a good #@*$!

Modifié par Goodwood, 17 mars 2012 - 05:58 .

[evisneffo]

pikey1969 wrote...

The Re-Take campaign appears to be over. Sorry folks.

If you think Hudson's letter (which he didn't even post himself) lends any hope? lol. You really must be desperate for good news. The PR damage control is obviously in it's last stages, and they're just wrapping things up in the backyard. 

Of course, the response so far hasn't given us much to go on, but a campaign like this was never going to be short or easy. I don't think now is the time to give up just yet, because they must know that serious damage is being done if they don't do something more concrete than PR spin.

[unclee]

Heading out for the night folks. Keep this thread going. Let them know we won't quit until they address things directly.

But most of all: Civil and respectful. Also, keep the Bioware bashing to a minimum.

[Gallion33103]

pikey1969 wrote...

Before I post, I personally thought the trilogy was wrapped up poorly and certainly flawed. Now...

The Re-Take campaign appears to be over. Sorry folks.

If you think Hudson's letter (which he didn't even post himself) lends any hope? lol. You really must be desperate for good news. The PR damage control is obviously in it's last stages, and they're just wrapping things up in the backyard. 

If you think Hudson asking for feedback on the ending because they've absolutely no idea on what the fans 'wanted' translates to any form of promise/compromise for a new Ending DLC, you need a reality check. They're not gonna start a project that would take them months for a DLC that totally invalidates/replaces the ending they chose while they're getting pats on the backs from their peers and the gaming media.

You lost on the media front. You have to understand, one of uniques about the gaming industry, is how closely tied majority of its media outlets are tied to the developers.

There might be a bit of a split on whether or not the ending is good, and based on numerous major outlets I read/listen to, it's a pretty even split actually. However, regardless of how they feel about the ending, the majority of the media does not support the idea of 'redo' on the ending at all. Not only because how closely tied they are to Bioware both business-wise and often personally, but also because the gaming media has a bit of a complex when it comes to 'integrity' of games as an 'entertainment medium' compared other forms of media (TVs, books, and movies). Bioware redoing the ending in response to the fans would be like a nightmare and a step back for them, because it's something you'd never see in TVs, books, or movies (which is ironic, given how much they've pushed/embraced the concept of DLCs this gaming generation).

The Child's Play movement was very neat to see. However, for every media coverage that at least showed/mentioned the movement in a positive light or at least somewhat of a neutral stance, there have been at least two-three doing just the opposite, regardless of how they felt about the endings themselves.

At this point, this movement has fully been classified by the 'outside world' as a movement by the minority of disheartened fans (in most cases just "sappy idiots that didn't get it"), or as Hudson put it "some of our most passionate fans". Hudson finally coming out and starting to speak to the community shows that their damage-control in the media is more or less done. Now all he has to do is calm its fan-base down with questions like "well what would YOU like to see?" and bait the desperate hopefuls into going 'guys guys let's be calm and see what happens', and wait for the movement to break itself apart. You're already seeing a split in the movement about this, and as more time goes on, the still-vitriol-filled fans will start acting up and reinforce the ugly image, and most people just get tired of it. This was bound to happen anyway, considering a DLC as substantial as the ones people would be satisfied with would take MONTHS of planning and production, there's no way this kinda movement/vitriol would last that long. At the end of the day, it's still just a game, and people have lives to live.

Even if Bioware decided to change the ending, you REALLY think they could do a good job at this point? Voice assets, in-game assets, and all of the other **** they would have to change around and fix? What? For a fan-approved ending, they never had the mind to do or fully understood in the first place? How is a product of something like that going to appease you? Only thing they could possibly do within a reasonable timeframe/budget is maybe tack on a few cut-scenes and maybe add an epilogue or whatever.

While Bioware enjoys its pats on the back and cookies sent by JJ Abrams (yea he did that), you're just gonna have to come to terms with the fact that one of most significant and well-done trilogies/series in the past decade just happens to have a crappy conclusion. The game is done, while it was an amazing ride and definitely a hallmark in the history of gaming, the ending sucked, and I am sorry, but I just can't see that changing.

ps. I absolutely enjoyed all of the things this controversy stirred up, and some of the questions it raised about fan-bases, the gaming media, and the 'integrity' of the creative process. Also, Child's Play movement was very nice to see, good on you guys.

Yet another fella with a crystal ball...im still waiting on my winning lottery numbers from the last guy who could "tell" the future.

[Nharia1]

Cro730 wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

Cro730 wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

I'll do MP, just not anything related to the N7 event... I'll be doing bronze maps the entire weekend, I'm fine with that.

same. standard multiplayer, nothing event related.

What system? Maybe we could hook up and do some maps together or something? (need like 7 more percent to bring it back up to 100)

xbox 360, of course.

same~! hell, my name here is my gamertag on xbl for those who care at all~!

[AmaraDark]

We will hold the line - anyone who is seeing these attempts to divide, control or muffle the movement, I highly recommend the PR playbook thread. http://social.biowar...ndex/10084349/1 - has excellent information for those who haven't seen consumer crowd control before.

[IndustrializedTaco]

Soundsystem wrote...

beetlebailey123 wrote...

Fox544 wrote...

beetlebailey123 wrote...

Fox544 wrote...

Cro730 wrote...

Fox544 wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

The N7 weekend is a joke. And we're the punchline.

To any of you people willing or wishing to participate in this BS know that all you're doing is taking a momentary satisfaction to the detriment of what we all want, a real ending.

This N7 thing lasts for a weekend, the ending will last for years. Which one is more important to you?

Agreed. If you're playing the game Bioware knows you arn't serious. Only when their sales and traffic crash will they take notice.

even though theres the potential to unlock rare weapons, I almost see them as weapons of weakness. Cause you participated in raising their stats.
Although I do like multiplayer, just not the ending... it's a very tempting offer. It would not affect my stance on the movement however.

Thats the problem. It may not change your opinion but what does Bioware care? You're still playing their game. Its like saying you'll never eat at a restaurant again while looking at the menu.

I don't see the problem with playing. I may not like the ending, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to play the game ever until it's fixed. I love the game, it's amazing up until the end.

Then don't expect to be taken seriously by Bioware. Thats all I'm saying. This is a PR tactic specifically to see who will cave.

We will cave if we play Multi player? I'm pretty sure the donations, and the posts have gotten our point across. Were still holding the line. I'm sorry I somehow doubt this is a ploy to get us to cave. Plus I have the collectors edition I'm fine with having my weapons in single player.

Well, considering Bioware can track how many hours you log on ME3, playing the multiplayer this weekend will likely be taken as a sign that all is fine.

Not to mention it's clearly Bioware hoping the fanbase has really short attention spans and will be appeased by new shinies and stuff in MP.

I suggest you read the PR thread to get an idea of what PR damage control tactics are: http://social.biowar...ndex/10084349/1 

I retract my earlier statement after reading that... I was wrong.

[Mara Shep]

I will not give up hope, I currently refuse to believe that was it and nothing will come of all that has been done on these forums and around the internet.

Even if I have to wait months. Call me stubborn, but what the hell.

[Lozark]

This is far from over. Nay, this is just beginning. Bioware is starting to realize that we need a real response, especially since we've seen right through Hudson's suppose answer. We're not going anywhere.

[Commander chinFuzz]

You know what the sad part about that 'You haven't seen the last of Commander Shepard" is? The DLC could be in the middle of the game, not the end. Yep, you'll see Shepard, just...not...where you want to...

[ld1449]

For anyone who needs a morale boost right now

[baronkohinar]

pikey1969 wrote...

Before I post, I personally thought the trilogy was wrapped up poorly and certainly flawed. Now...

The Re-Take campaign appears to be over. Sorry folks.

Something worth fighting for is worth more than a single week's perseverance. This is the time that will define us. If it wasn't a little hard (and face it, being nice to each other and sending letters/emails isn't particularly difficult in the grand scheme of things), everyone would do it. Don't be divided. Don't lose help. Hold the line.

Modifié par baronkohinar, 17 mars 2012 - 06:00 .

[Generic Name]

Commander chinFuzz wrote...

You know what the sad part about that 'You haven't seen the last of Commander Shepard" is? The DLC could be in the middle of the game, not the end. Yep, you'll see Shepard, just...not...where you want to...

Would you purchase that? I sure wouldn't.

[Chuvvy]

Solotalento wrote...

Hydralysk wrote...

Solotalento wrote...

Hydralysk wrote...

Wow, I jsut spent over 2 hours writting my response in the suggested feedback article. Doubt it'll have an effect, but at least I know I tried my hardest.

read this
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10084349/1#10084349

the suggested feedback thread is just another delay tactic

Then at least I've spent time writting the letter that I can email tommorow for the letter writing campaign, and frankly being able to voice my frustrations was a kind of therapy in and of itself.

not "at least" its good you wrote something and many over people did too

There's a letter writting campaign? When?

[pikey1969]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

pikey1969 wrote...

Before I post, I personally thought the trilogy was wrapped up poorly and certainly flawed. Now...
The Re-Take campaign appears to be over. Sorry folks.
If you think Hudson's letter (which he didn't even post himself) lends any hope? lol. You really must be desperate for good news. The PR damage control is obviously in it's last stages, and they're just wrapping things up in the backyard. 
If you think Hudson asking for feedback on the ending because they've absolutely no idea on what the fans 'wanted' translates to any form of promise/compromise for a new Ending DLC, you need a reality check. They're not gonna start a project that would take them months for a DLC that totally invalidates/replaces the ending they chose while they're getting pats on the backs from their peers and the gaming media.
You lost on the media front. You have to understand, one of uniques about the gaming industry, is how closely tied majority of its media outlets are tied to the developers. 
There might be a bit of a split on whether or not the ending is good, and based on numerous major outlets I read/listen to, it's a pretty even split actually. However, regardless of how they feel about the ending, the majority of the media does not support the idea of 'redo' on the ending at all. Not only because how closely tied they are to Bioware both business-wise and often personally, but also because the gaming media has a bit of a complex when it comes to 'integrity' of games as an 'entertainment medium' compared other forms of media (TVs, books, and movies). Bioware redoing the ending in response to the fans would be like a nightmare and a step back for them, because it's something you'd never see in TVs, books, or movies (which is ironic, given how much they've pushed/embraced the concept of DLCs this gaming generation).
The Child's Play movement was very neat to see. However, for every media coverage that at least showed/mentioned the movement in a positive light or at least somewhat of a neutral stance, there have been at least two-three doing just the opposite, regardless of how they felt about the endings themselves. 
At this point, this movement has fully been classified by the 'outside world' as a movement by the minority of disheartened fans (in most cases just "sappy idiots that didn't get it"), or as Hudson put it "some of our most passionate fans". Hudson finally coming out and starting to speak to the community shows that their damage-control in the media is more or less done. Now all he has to do is calm its fan-base down with questions like "well what would YOU like to see?" and bait the desperate hopefuls into going 'guys guys let's be calm and see what happens', and wait for the movement to break itself apart. You're already seeing a split in the movement about this, and as more time goes on, the still-vitriol-filled fans will start acting up and reinforce the ugly image, and most people just get tired of it. This was bound to happen anyway, considering a DLC as substantial as the ones people would be satisfied with would take MONTHS of planning and production, there's no way this kinda movement/vitriol would last that long. At the end of the day, it's still just a game, and people have lives to live.
Even if Bioware decided to change the ending, you REALLY think they could do a good job at this point? Voice assets, in-game assets, and all of the other **** they would have to change around and fix? What? For a fan-approved ending, they never had the mind to do or fully understood in the first place? How is a product of something like that going to appease you? Only thing they could possibly do within a reasonable timeframe/budget is maybe tack on a few cut-scenes and maybe add an epilogue or whatever.
While Bioware enjoys its pats on the back and cookies sent by JJ Abrams (yea he did that), you're just gonna have to come to terms with the fact that one of most significant and well-done trilogies/series in the past decade just happens to have a crappy conclusion. The game is done, while it was an amazing ride and definitely a hallmark in the history of gaming, the ending sucked, and I am sorry, but I just can't see that changing.
ps. I absolutely enjoyed all of the things this controversy stirred up, and some of the questions it raised about fan-bases, the gaming media, and the 'integrity' of the creative process. Also, Child's Play movement was very nice to see, good on you guys.

Quitter. 

Naw, never started. Don't get me wrong, you have no idea how much I also think the ending was crap.

But before this movement even got the heights it did, I kinda saw this coming.

It is what it is, the ending was crap and there's not much that can be done about it. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you can actually appreciate the 99 percent of the trilogy that was well-done and how significant it will be to RPGs in the future.

Like other great developers that have really risen in the past couple decades like Blizzard, Valve, Bungie, and etc, Bioware set a new space for itself in the gaming industry.

It's just too bad that one of their most defining works also has one of the sloppiest endings in the history of gaming.

[Soundsystem]

Commander chinFuzz wrote...

You know what the sad part about that 'You haven't seen the last of Commander Shepard" is? The DLC could be in the middle of the game, not the end. Yep, you'll see Shepard, just...not...where you want to...

Exactly. It's never been a secret that there would be ME3 DLC. That quote is classic doublespeak, meant to put out the PR fire.

[infinitekilan]

I think I'm going to start a new game in ME2... There is one thing I did in all my other 3982759832 playthroughs that I want to do so when the endings are fixed, I can pick right up where I left off... Romance Tali. >_>

*ducks and dodges the flying debris*

I did it before, I swear! I just overwrote the save!

[Nharia1]

Commander chinFuzz wrote...

You know what the sad part about that 'You haven't seen the last of Commander Shepard" is? The DLC could be in the middle of the game, not the end. Yep, you'll see Shepard, just...not...where you want to...

Exactly~!

and that is why

WE
WILL 
HOLD THE
LINE!

[Cro730]

Nharia1 wrote...

same~! hell, my name here is my gamertag on xbl for those who care at all~!

expect a Friend request (or send one to) Cro73o *thats the letter o at the end, not a zero*
Long story as to why it's not simply a zero...
Anyone else also feel free to send requests

[wicked_being]

I don't think people understand what we have accomplished. Sure Bioware still hasn't given us a definitive answer and it might take months before they do. However, we made a stand and we're holding the line and that counts for something. We're doing it for ME3 but if you look at it another way, WE (minority or not) are standing up against the powerful. Who knows maybe this'll open up avenues for other fans/consumers to stand up.

@pikey: Go away.

Modifié par wicked_being, 17 mars 2012 - 06:03 .