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[IndustrializedTaco]

wicked_being wrote...

New post in the PR thread (page 27). And please stop answering that nay-sayer troll.

atghunter wrote...

Greetings all,

I promise some
individual answers (working my way forward from page 18 atm) and my wife
thanks you all for letting me have dinner. But first, a take on the
latest Bioware maneuvers from a PR perspective.

First, I’ve
never met Ms. Merizan personally, but I’ve read some of her tweets and
find her to be an engaging and personable individual online. She is a PR
guys dream because I believe she genuinely has empathy for the players
and it shows.

That said, please remember that she (like everyone
else in this storm at Bioware is saying nothing more than they are
being told/authorized to say).

So on to the post. Of course,
we’ve covered the whole churning things out on Friday night to avoid the
news cycle under Mr. Hudson’s post. Standard Operating Procedure
there. However, the tenor of Ms. Merizan's post is much better
than what we’ve been seeing in the last 24 hours. Moreover, it is simply
less of a CYA publicity statement acknowledging a situation but
minimalizing the problem. Notice she drops the pretense of “most people
love this but a few people may disagree” and heads straight into a quasi
“throat exposure” by saying:

“In order for a collaboration
between the devs and the fans to work, I need you guys to CONTINUE being
constructive, and organizing your thoughts. I know where to look, but I
need you to help me by contributing to the dialogue.”

It
is a direct communication to the offended customers. No promise of
change to be sure, but probably the first genuine offer to discuss this
issue in terms of possible collaboration vs. discussion/explanation. It
won’t make the news b/c of Mr. Hudson’s statement issued shortly before
as a media "screen" (though honestly, this was probably the intended
message the PR guys want us to have all along).

As I mentioned
before, once you gain acknowledgement, you have taken the first step in a
PR campaign towards a compromise. Lots of road ahead, but to that end,
well done.

Also take that Ms. Merizan acknowledges the positive aspect
of the RetakeME3 movement. From a PR standpoint, it’s like
acknowledging the people you are presently struggling with actually have
virtue. You’re not saying they are right, but you aren’t simply
acknowledging their presence either. Mind you this can also be a gambit
to 1) deflect (as we’ve previously discussed) or 2) to enrage (i.e. hope
that the players will refuse to communicate and thus be seen as
unreasonable at this overture). Best PR counter response: strength,
civility, a touch of wariness and loads of conviction.

The only
troubling thing I can see is the collecting feedback data for “weeks”
comment when the game went into full release only about 12 days ago, but
I’m guessing that was possibly a PR guy’s oversight who assumed (based
on the historical curve of these kind of things) that this matter has
devolved in a much longer time that has actually elapsed. But it is
equally possible she has been keeping track as well. Still doesn’t
detract from the tone of the message.

Much less deflection, a
bit more acknowledgement. If it hasn’t become clear, these fights (and
make no mistake, they are fights be it abet civil ones) are of move and
counter-move.

Continue to make your voices heard. Give them the
concise arguments I’ve read on this forum a hundred times (regardless
of your side). This is a game of choices, and call me an old optimist,
but I have to believe there is enough room on my hard drive for some
endings for both the producers and we consumers. Continue to post
respectfully, but with the passion and conviction that inspires an old
gamer like me. If you do, and this ultimately turns out to be a
deflection, it is a dangerous one for EA/Bioware.

Here's
why. One of the greatest lessons of PR is don’t offer to negotiate,
unless you mean it. Doing so and ultimately being outed is called
“Brokering Solutions but Delivering Stonewalls”. Not to be melodramatic,
when I did this work, we called it something else…

Sudden Death

I love this guy.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Wow...why did this thread get so depressing again? we were all happy before I left over 2 hours ago now we have people telling us this is futile *sigh* PMED (Post Mass Effect Depression) seems to have sunk in again. Please guys we need to be strong, keep up the pressure and for god sake hold that line.

[People4Peace]

Militarized wrote...

Despite the naysayers and PR double speak.

I AM HERE TO HOLD THE LINE! I hold it for my sidelined LI Jack and for all the fans that made this franchise such a success in the first place, and the ending they deserve!

Damn you and your relationship with Jack. I am jealous....

Oh well...at least my Shep has Garrus and Liara....

Anyway, latest number on the charity?

[Lord Costantino]

@Peaople4Peace
I have already bought the game and its dlc, no reason to waste money right? Now after the end of ME3, I will not do anymore business till they fix it.

[malra]

There is one quality that one must possess to win, and that is definiteness of purpose, the knowledge of what one wants, and a burning desire to possess it. Napoleon Hill

[TheSteelArcher]

Ohio Fleet signing off. Hold. The. Line.

[Sl4sh3r]

Hey guys,

Wanted to play around in Photoshop a bit more so I made...

http://i748.photobuc...ericanindoc.jpg

Let me know what you think.

If you want one for your country let me know.

Hold the line!

Modifié par Sl4sh3r, 17 mars 2012 - 06:41 .

[Fox544]

Tazzmission wrote...

 [color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">The Final Hours of Mass Effect 3, ], has revealed some new details about the game's controversial ending that will likely give irate fans even more reason to be upset. Be warned: there are quite a few spoilers scattered throughout, so don't read on unless you've already completed the game.While former lead writer Drew Karphysyn had said that the broader strokes of the ending[/color]were in place for years[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">, it seems the specifics were hammered out remarkably late in the game's development cycle. The team actually delayed a recording session with Illusive Man voice actor Martin Sheen from August into November, so that the writers would have more time to finish off the dialogue for the ending.What's more, the ending was initially written to provide a much more robust explanation of the game's surprising — ]In the end, Watlers decided to end the game in a way that would lead to, in his words, "lots of speculation for everyone."And as for complaints that the game's three endings don't provide enough variety? As late as November, the developers were considering at least one drastically different ending that was eventually scrapped. The sequence would have seen the player lose control of Commander Shepard, revealing that he or she had actually been indoctrinated by the Reapers. This ending was eventually cut for technical reasons, as the team was having a hard time making the gameplay mechanic work alongside dialogue choices.Another common complaint centers on the ending's lack of any real boss fight. The closest thing to it, the showdown with Kai Leng at Cerberus HQ, occurs more than an hour before the game finally wraps, leaving many fans upset that Mass Effect 3's gameplay ends on a somewhat anticlimactic note.Turns out, you were originally supposed to have a showdown with the Illusive Man just before the end of the game, but the team ultimately scrapped the idea because it felt too "video gamey" and predictable.To add insult to injury, the app apparently also reveals that the much contested day-one DLC pack, From Ashes, was, in fact, originally intended to be a part of the main game before time constraints caused the team to convert it to DLC instead.Frankly, none of these revelations bode particularly well for BioWare, as many of them only serve to confirm the suspicisions of the game's unruly fanbase. Given the nature of game development, it's wholly unfair to claim that BioWare ruined the ending by rushing it out the door at the last minute, but it certainly won't be easy to convince the detractors of that when these new details play so handily into their arguments.[/color]
http://www.gameranx....nding/:whistle:

Clearly Bioware has no idea what the fans want.

[EndrzGame]

ashley_actually wrote...

Good night everybody. Here again are the addresses for the letter writing campaign that starts tomorrow.

Where to send:
Mailing Address:
BioWare Edmonton
200-4445 Calgary Trail NW
Edmonton AB
Canada T6H 5R7

Email: contact@bioware.com

Make sure you got that line held.

So we're going to be mailing our letters tomorrow?

[Tazzmission]

 guys real talk read this


its quoted from the article i posted a page back


and as for complaints that the game's three endings don't provide enough variety? As late as November, the developers were considering at least one drastically different ending that was eventually scrapped. The sequence would have seen the player lose control of Commander Shepard, revealing that he or she had actually been indoctrinated by the Reapers. This ending was eventually cut for technical reasons, as the team was having a hard time making the gameplay mechanic work alongside dialogue choices.Another common complaint centers on the ending's lack of any real boss fight. 
link to article
http://www.gameranx....versial-ending/

[IndustrializedTaco]

How do you get the signature things under your post. I'm a noob sorry gents.

[Generic Name]

malra wrote...

There is one quality that one must possess to win, and that is definiteness of purpose, the knowledge of what one wants, and a burning desire to possess it. Napoleon Hill

I want a coherent ending to Shepards story and little blue babies with Liara.

For that I hold the line.

[Bruinbear]

xHezz90 wrote...

Wow...why did this thread get so depressing again? we were all happy before I left over 2 hours ago now we have people telling us this is futile *sigh* PMED (Post Mass Effect Depression) seems to have sunk in again. Please guys we need to be strong, keep up the pressure and for god sake hold that line.

Buck up soldier! There was some positive news today! Hang in there and hold the line!

[infinitekilan]

pikey1969 wrote...

Also, you guys do realize, you sound more and more like the ignorant/stubborn fans the gaming 'media' wants you to be when you dismiss all opposite viewpoints as trolls and just spam 'hold the line'?

That's how you see it. We see it another way. Because you don't agree with it doesn't make you right and us wrong.

What do you care what we sound like, anyway? Does anything we do affect you? Does anything we say have ANY bearing on anything you do? No. The only reason we're affecting you now is because you are here reading our posts.

If you don't like this movement of ours, don't pay attention to it. You're being your own worst enemy.

Modifié par infinitekilan, 17 mars 2012 - 06:44 .

[Lord Costantino]

xHezz90 wrote...

Wow...why did this thread get so depressing again? we were all happy before I left over 2 hours ago now we have people telling us this is futile *sigh* PMED (Post Mass Effect Depression) seems to have sunk in again. Please guys we need to be strong, keep up the pressure and for god sake hold that line.

It is because trolls and the news feed from the fronts slow down at night. Everything is good and lets have a smile on our faces. We are raising money for the Kids, making a point and getting good responses from important people (Forbes as example), and we are moving forward. We are getting a reaction from Bioware and we need to keep pressing till they official say they are fixing it.

Hold the Line and don't forget Marauder Shields!
Now lets see some smiles 

[pikey1969]

Well, it's too bad you guys decided to completely gloss over my original post, and jump immediately to 'lol troll'.

If you actually want this to go somewhere, you're gonna want to 'fight' the containment.

You may still be in the fight on "BSN", but if you really want to win and make a difference, you need to win in the real battleground, the gaming media, where you've been getting decimated, and in my opinion have already lost.

How? I don't know, you're the brilliant minds behind Child's Play, you figure it out. Write them, contact any prominent figures (if you know any) in there, or whatever.

But as long as you continue to get belittled on the 'outside' as a whole, the slighter your chances will be. And in my opinon, that's where this 'war' came to an end.

[Sl4sh3r]

beetlebailey123 wrote...

How do you get the signature things under your post. I'm a noob sorry gents.

Left side under your portrait


Profile -> Forum Settings
[*img]url for image[*/img]
Remove both *

[ArmyKnifeX]

Huh. I just realized that the anime series BW and EA probably spent a ton of money farming out to Production IG to do is utterly pointless because of this game ending. So they just wasted their own money, as far as advancing the story. Way to go, guys. Nobody is going to care about what happened to James knowing that he dies / whatever the ending implies to him.

[Cro730]

EndrzGame wrote...

ashley_actually wrote...

Good night everybody. Here again are the addresses for the letter writing campaign that starts tomorrow.

Where to send:
Mailing Address:
BioWare Edmonton
200-4445 Calgary Trail NW
Edmonton AB
Canada T6H 5R7

Email: contact@bioware.com

Make sure you got that line held.

So we're going to be mailing our letters tomorrow?

on March 17.
make sure you have enough postage on your letter. it's 3 stamps to get it there from USA.

[ArmyKnifeX]

pikey1969 wrote...

Well, it's too bad you guys decided to completely gloss over my original post, and jump immediately to 'lol troll'.

If you actually want this to go somewhere, you're gonna want to 'fight' the containment.

You may still be in the fight on "BSN", but if you really want to win and make a difference, you need to win in the real battleground, the gaming media, where you've been getting decimated, and in my opinion have already lost.

How? I don't know, you're the brilliant minds behind Child's Play, you figure it out. Write them, contact any prominent figures (if you know any) in there, or whatever.

But as long as you continue to get belittled on the 'outside' as a whole, the slighter your chances will be. And in my opinon, that's where this 'war' came to an end.

You might want to click the link that is the top picture in my sig. We *are* doing more.

[Nharia1]

pikey1969 wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Pikey. Why are you here? What exactly is your purpose besides just telling everyone that wants to see this through that we're all a bunch of idiots wasting our time? What exactly do you gain from this? Do you gain anything at all?

Just offering my perspective. This IS a discussion forum after all, no?

Never once did I call you guys idiots btw. If I had to choose, I'd be on your side. I just wouldn't want to join a war where I'd face certain doom/loss. 

That's where you're wrong, there is never certain doom or loss, when it comes to battling a major conclomerate, such as EA or Biowware, with enough support from this community, there is a very real possibiltiy that we could become noticed by major news coperations who could, if they chose to, report upon the situation. I'm talking about The Times and such, the actual real news corperations that still have some pull with the people who read the news. If that happens, the readers could be of two opinions depending on what light this movement is cast in, if its cast with a sympathetic approach, Bioware, and by default, EA, would have to come up with some kind of reason as to why they AREN'T giving us something that we most obviously were promised, and when we had payed for the product under the assuppmtion that they would be upholding said promises. That would be very bad for any kind of future business that they would try and do, within the gaming community as a whole. The more people who are aware of something happening with a certain section of one company are going to be more critcial of other sections, even if they are in no way related, so it would actually behoove them to give us what they want, if they ever want to escape this, with any semblance of a consumer audiance.

Also please stop pushing around your doom and gloom, you've made your point, which is that the cause is doomed. Now step aside and let others give their thoughts, which in this thread trend towards being along the lines of, 'if we hold out long enough, they may or may not give us what we want, but we will fight to the end, just so that we can say, "At least we weren't being pushed over backwards with the vauge hints, the semi promises, the bs from Bioware. No we will be able to say with all honesty, that, we held out until there was nothing to hold out for. We were there when they gave the announcment. We held the line."' That is what is going through most everyone's heads right now, while you sit there, and post your, pesimistic veiws on the situation. Thank you for your input, its nice to see someone who feels that way, but in this thread, it will be seen as a troll, which is something, I'm sure that you are not trying to do.

EDIT: This is in response to your containment thoughts:
Maybe you haven't noticed this but, if you've been following this movement, then you would have seen the multiple articles, throughout the internet that support our cause, and yes even the ones that bash upon it. Then there's also the Childs Play donation drive, Facebook, Twitter, each of those are equally alight with empassioned persons, most of them as pissed over the endings as we are here. Of course you'll say, "But there are people here who have twitters." Yes there are, but there are more people with Twitter accounts these days than there are people with a BSN profile. So I hardly see that as containment, oh and there are other forums that are also flooded with their own regulars who are fans of the games, just as we all are, who are royally pissed at the endings. People everywhere around the world are being brought together in their passion for this series and crying out in one voice, "We will get our ending, COME HELL OR HIGH WATER, AND DAMN THE CONSEQUENCES!" I don't think we are being contained, I think we are spreading, more and more, a little here, a little there, until we have the undivided attention. When we have that, I truely believe that, that is the point where WE, will have THEM contained. For at that point in time, we will have grown into something truely beatuiful to behold, a group of people, who despite our many differences, despite our many choices, are choosing to put our collective foot down and say, "We will not have this. We will have our proper reward for something that we have spent blood, sweat, and tears to complete, and we will have our true ending."

Modifié par Nharia1, 17 mars 2012 - 06:58 .

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Bruinbear wrote...

xHezz90 wrote...

Wow...why did this thread get so depressing again? we were all happy before I left over 2 hours ago now we have people telling us this is futile *sigh* PMED (Post Mass Effect Depression) seems to have sunk in again. Please guys we need to be strong, keep up the pressure and for god sake hold that line.

Buck up soldier! There was some positive news today! Hang in there and hold the line!

Yeah I suppose that's true, suppose it doesn't help that my dad is playing ME3 at the moment, he knows the game has a bad ending. He just doesnt know how bad 

[isig]

People may be more impressionable than we'd like, but this is not the time to be giving up. Especially to a PR stunt like Operation: Goliath. So, everyone, please don't give in to it and go read this instead: http://social.biowar...ndex/10084349/1

And Pikey, at this point, it doesn't matter whether we get the ending changed or not. What DOES matter is that we stand up to such crappy, crappy treatment from Bioware towards their fanbase and the ongoing attempt to depict us all as fanatics and people who have nothing else/better to do. The point of fighting something isn't to win (well, it is, but you can't know in advance how the fight will turn out, so you don't fight solely to win), but to do your best at defeating the opponent and take a stand. To let them know you won't just take it lying down.

I mean, I didn't even visit the bsn that often before, but after what BW pulled not only with the ending of such an otherwise amazing game/trilogy, but also with what we now have proof are incessant lies about the game (or you can call it spin, either way they were misleading people preordering the game), I'm here to protest what is esentially abuse of trust of a company (even if it is my favourite game developer Bioware) toward their customers. Not only abuse, now we're seeing a fair share of arrogance invovled in how they treat their fanbase, as well.

Come on people, don't let them play us.. Hold the line!

p.s. Sorry for the lengthy text, I didn't realise I could get this worked up over something so early in the morning

Modifié par isig, 17 mars 2012 - 08:22 .

[malra]

xHezz90 wrote...

Wow...why did this thread get so depressing again? we were all happy before I left over 2 hours ago now we have people telling us this is futile *sigh* PMED (Post Mass Effect Depression) seems to have sunk in again. Please guys we need to be strong, keep up the pressure and for god sake hold that line.

Nothing like holding the line in the pre-dawn hours.

[Militarized]

Remember what Mass Effect was! AND CAN BE!