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[IndustrializedTaco]

Southwest Missouri fleet signing off. Have a good night folks.

[ld1449]

We need to move the line further. Somebody get me a Baneblade

[Sl4sh3r]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

MissNet wrote...

Hello, just woke up!
I've read Casey statement. Don't know what to think about it.
Is it another PR crap? 
Unfortunatelly, i have a strong feeling that they not going to do anything about the ending. They are so proud of this crap... 
I don't know.. May be i'm stupid and can't comprehend the artistry and beauty of this ending? May be they are right? 
I think, i just go away for a while and get some drink. 
 

I honestly don't care if this is bull****ting from them. The point is that their stance has changed from "we'll listen but say nothing" to "Crap! We have to say SOMETHING!"

We're making an impact. Don't give up hope. We have held the line, and now it is moving!

This.

This, this and more this.

atghunter put it in perspective. You can look at it...

http://social.biowar...084349#10084349

Hold the line!

[Lord Costantino]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

MissNet wrote...

Hello, just woke up!
I've read Casey statement. Don't know what to think about it.
Is it another PR crap? 
Unfortunatelly, i have a strong feeling that they not going to do anything about the ending. They are so proud of this crap... 
I don't know.. May be i'm stupid and can't comprehend the artistry and beauty of this ending? May be they are right? 
I think, i just go away for a while and get some drink. 
 

I honestly don't care if this is bull****ting from them. The point is that their stance has changed from "we'll listen but say nothing" to "Crap! We have to say SOMETHING!"

We're making an impact. Don't give up hope. We have held the line, and now it is moving!

^this exactly! Until they have an OFFICAL statement saying "We are fixing the ending" then they have said nothing to anyone yet addressing the issue. Listening doesn't mean truely understanding what is being said to you. So until I see those words I will continue to Hold this Line.

FOR Marauder Shields, Childs Play and Retake Mass Effect 3!

[Nharia1]

;-; no quotes for me... now I'm sad people... I mean I spent like 15 minutes working on that post....

[LadyMarisa]

We look forward to your continued support and involvement as we work
together to shape the remaining experiences in the story of the Mass
Effect trilogy.

remaining experiences.

I may be asy to please but that there is a ray of hope to me. Could be a case of semantics or misinterpretation but previous experiences would suggest things prior to the ending (in my mind). Remaining experiences makes me want to believe that the story has a bit more to go and that gives me hope.

[pikey1969]

Lord Costantino wrote...

pikey1969 wrote...

Well, it's too bad you guys decided to completely gloss over my original post, and jump immediately to 'lol troll'.

If you actually want this to go somewhere, you're gonna want to 'fight' the containment.

You may still be in the fight on "BSN", but if you really want to win and make a difference, you need to win in the real battleground, the gaming media, where you've been getting decimated, and in my opinion have already lost.

How? I don't know, you're the brilliant minds behind Child's Play, you figure it out. Write them, contact any prominent figures (if you know any) in there, or whatever.

But as long as you continue to get belittled on the 'outside' as a whole, the slighter your chances will be. And in my opinon, that's where this 'war' came to an end.

Thank you for saying its great that we are doing the childs play...HOWEVER
We do have support from outside the gaming networks if you pay attention.  As an example Forbes has been a great help and more and more people are joining the cause everyday. It is no where near of dying. Now if you want to post your "end of the world" posts about Retake Mass Effect then go make your own forum and talk about it their because you will see no help for your case here.

Forbes has been one of few anomalies in the coverage. Most probably because they're not your typical gaming media. The journalists there are not your typical games media journalists. They only cover games when they're tied to business aspects of the industry. It's a financial media outlet, it's mostly designed for readers in business or investment. They're not worried about getting preview/review exclusives, ad-fundings (yea, gaming outlets have to advertise the same crap they're trying to exercise 'journalistic integrity' on), and etc.

Aside from forbes, there are very few gaming media that have rendered support for the actual goal behind the Retake movement, and certainly none of the BIG ones that have huge audiences (shacknews, ign, gamespot, pc gamer, penny-arcade, Escapist, Game Informer, Eurogamer, and/or their resepctive podcasts). In fact I can only think of that ONE article that's not Forbes, that truly renders support for this.

The rest of the gaming media is VERY different from publications like Forbes. Many of these big gaming outlets are tighly tied to the game makers themselves. It has evolved into a very strange mutually-beneficially relationship when compared to that of other entertainment mediums, when it really shoudl be anything BUT. Additionally, as I've said time and time again, most of these outlets and their writers are very particular to legitmizing games as a serious medium on par with other forms of media. Their support is gonna be very difficult, and as I've stated, in my personal opinion impossible.

Why does that matter? Because frankly, at the end of the day, that where lionshare of the market perception is formed. Games are quite unlike other forms of media, in that critical appraisal is almost synonymous with financial success. There are VERY few exceptions to this rule. That's why bulk of PR work for games are spent in winning the gaming media over. I have a friend who works in the gaming media, and the amount of PR coordination that gets involved or tries to get involved is mind boggling.

And the thing is it's most likely those same PR firms/people that are handling this issue as well. As long as the gaming media is on the side of Bioware, that's really most of what the PR (eyes/ears/mouth of EA that makes the final call) is going to to pay attention, which is sound in their school of logic, as well as in reality.

You can all sit here and dwell on Hudson's 'wrap-up' and cross your fingers and hold the line, but as long as you do, you're playing straight into their terms and rules. Read that PR guy's new post, it's mostly on the money, just don't dwell so much on the parts where he leaves up to his 'oldmans optimism'.

Unless the gaming media's perception changes, the chances of an Ending DLC is slim to none. And changing that is a tall-order.

Modifié par pikey1969, 17 mars 2012 - 07:16 .

[malra]

70% of success in life is showing up. Woody Allen

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Nharia1 wrote...

;-; no quotes for me... now I'm sad people... I mean I spent like 15 minutes working on that post....

Which post? and don't worry this thread just moves that fast I'm sure it was missed.

[LadyMarisa]

To all those who have come before and all those that have helped us get to 56k and counting. Thank you for Holding the Line and continuing to support a wonderful charity. The people those funds will go to help have a great community behind them.

[ColloquialAnachron]

pikey1969 wrote...

Well, it's too bad you guys decided to completely gloss over my original post, and jump immediately to 'lol troll'.

If you actually want this to go somewhere, you're gonna want to 'fight' the containment.

You may still be in the fight on "BSN", but if you really want to win and make a difference, you need to win in the real battleground, the gaming media, where you've been getting decimated, and in my opinion have already lost.

How? I don't know, you're the brilliant minds behind Child's Play, you figure it out. Write them, contact any prominent figures (if you know any) in there, or whatever.

But as long as you continue to get belittled on the 'outside' as a whole, the slighter your chances will be. And in my opinon, that's where this 'war' came to an end.

I won't call you a troll.  I will disagree with you. 

First, your tone is disrespectful or at the very least condescending and dismissive.  You have every right to make your arguments however you like, but do not expect respectful reactions when your criticisms are not made with respect.  

Second, certainly there is a PR battle to be waged, and clearly Bioware has deeper pockets and better connections within the media than the vast majority of those that make up its fan base, no question.  That being the case, while we may indeed be decimated, (I believe more than one tenth of the articles have been negative but I'll allow that you've done a more thorough amount of research), the very fact that there has been substantial support from media outlets indicates that this is not a lost cause.

Third, in both your original post and others, you've often portrayed your opinions on future developments as facts.  (Also you used "vitriol" in too-quick succession, dampening its effect on the second use).  Other than the obvious problem with predictive opinions parading as facts, there is the simple truth that neither you nor I actually know what will come about from any of this. 

Perhaps Casey Hudson will go flying with his son and see a cloud that reminds him of the day he knew he wanted to make games, causing him to realise he left the stove on at home.   The slightly higher electric bill will cause Mr. Hudson to invest in a mobile app that allows him to turn off appliances.  However, that app is actually faulty and does little more than play Angry Birds sound effects. Mr. Hudson becomes enraged and sells his plane in order to avoid ever leaving the stove on whilst flying.  Due to no longer having this father-son bonding moment, Mr. Hudson decides to become the coach of every team his son is on (as I presume he's a great father anyway).  Seeing the joy on kids' faces from just playing and having fun sparks a desire in Mr. Hudson to spread this joyful expression of play to others, and the ME3 ending solution is announced.  That prediction is just as accurate as yours UNTIL we know for sure.

Finally Pikey, I'd respectfully suggest that offering advice is often more readily accepted than attempting to control, and much of what you've written reads like attempting to get people here to simply pack up shop and give up.

I'm quite happy to debate you on any of these points, respectfully.

Oh, and hold the line.

[Andronic0s]

I just finished the game today and I got to say the ending is even worse than anything I could have imagined after hearing it was "bad" but nothing else, so I will be holding the line with you guys, this 150+ hours series deserves better than the nonsensical apocalyptic stuff we got!

The worst thing is the game is amazing it is just those final minutes that ruin it :-(

[malra]

i choose not to live down to expectations, I choose to I choose to do something remarkable including ignoring the troll and holding the line firm.

[Lord Costantino]

 Ignoring the trolls and Nhara1 I am srry if I missed it  Ill go back and read it...forum moves fast 

[Solotalento]

if anybody missed the bioware post on the PR campaign thread
here it is
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10084349/30#10107901

more then 1500 pages here and no answer...
answer on page 30 in that PR thread

[Sl4sh3r]

pikey1969 wrote...

Lord Costantino wrote...

pikey1969 wrote...

Well, it's too bad you guys decided to completely gloss over my original post, and jump immediately to 'lol troll'.

If you actually want this to go somewhere, you're gonna want to 'fight' the containment.

You may still be in the fight on "BSN", but if you really want to win and make a difference, you need to win in the real battleground, the gaming media, where you've been getting decimated, and in my opinion have already lost.

How? I don't know, you're the brilliant minds behind Child's Play, you figure it out. Write them, contact any prominent figures (if you know any) in there, or whatever.

But as long as you continue to get belittled on the 'outside' as a whole, the slighter your chances will be. And in my opinon, that's where this 'war' came to an end.

Thank you for saying its great that we are doing the childs play...HOWEVER
We do have support from outside the gaming networks if you pay attention.  As an example Forbes has been a great help and more and more people are joining the cause everyday. It is no where near of dying. Now if you want to post your "end of the world" posts about Retake Mass Effect then go make your own forum and talk about it their because you will see no help for your case here.

Forbes has been one of few anomalies in your coverage, because of this, they're not your typical gaming media. The journalists there are not your typical games media journalists. They only cover games when they're tied to business aspects of the industry. It's a financial media outlet, it's mostly designed for readers in business or investment.

Aside from forbes, there are very few gaming media that have rendered support for the actual goal behind the Retake movement, and certainly none of the BIG ones that have huge audiences (shacknews, ign, gamespot, pc gamer, penny-arcade, Escapist, Game Informer, Eurogamer, and/or their resepctive podcasts). In fact I can only think of that ONE article that's not Forbes, that truly renders support for this.

The rest of the gaming media is VERY different from publications like Forbes. Many of these big gaming outlets are tighly tied to the game makers themselves. It's a strange relationship when compared to that of other entertainment mediums. Additionally, as I've said time and time again, most of these outlets and their writers are very particular to legitmizing games as a serious medium on par with other forms of media. Their support is gonna be very difficult, and as I've stated, in my personal opinion impossible.

Why does that matter? Because frankly, at the end of the day, that where lionshare of the market perception is formed. Games are quite unlike other forms of media, in that critical appraisal is almost synonymous with financial success. There are VERY few exceptions to this rule. That's why bulk of PR work for games are spent in winning the gaming media over. I have a friend who works in the gaming media, and the amount of PR coordination that gets involved or tries to get involved is mind boggling.

And the thing is it's most likely those same PR firms/people that are handling this issue as well. As long as the gaming media is on the side of Bioware, that's really most of what the PR (eyes/ears/mouth of EA that makes the final call) is going to to pay attention, which is sound in their school of logic, as well as in reality.

You can all sit here and dwell on Hudson's 'wrap-up' and cross your fingers and hold the line, but as long as you do, you're playing straight into their terms and rules. Read that PR guy's new post, it's mostly on the money, just don't dwell so much on the parts where he leaves up to his 'oldmans optimism'.

Unless the gaming media's perception changes, the chances of an Ending DLC is slim to none. And changing that is a tall-order.

To be 100% honest I stopped reading after the ~first paragraph or so...

You're talking about game review websites that make their money off of: 1. Reviewing games and 2. Advertisements.

Why would they report the truth? Most of them take a neutral standpoint to avoid problems with EA.

They're covering their asses.

That said, yes, it sucks that they have this point of view merely to cover their own asses, but we have numerous youtube stars backing us, so it balances out a bit.

I know many more people that follow people like

Total Biscuit
Angry Joe
Yahtzee (hasn't supported us yet but I believe he will)

etc. over these paid-to-give-good-review websites.

Modifié par Sl4sh3r, 17 mars 2012 - 07:21 .

[EndrzGame]

I now wish that Johnny Cash named the song 'I Hold the Line'. I've played this song a couple times today. Seems to help me. <3

Modifié par EndrzGame, 17 mars 2012 - 07:21 .

[Nharia1]

xHezz90 wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

;-; no quotes for me... now I'm sad people... I mean I spent like 15 minutes working on that post....

Which post? and don't worry this thread just moves that fast I'm sure it was missed.

That's where you're wrong, there is never certain doom or loss, when
it comes to battling a major conclomerate, such as EA or Biowware, with
enough support from this community, there is a very real possibiltiy
that we could become noticed by major news coperations who could, if
they chose to, report upon the situation. I'm talking about The Times
and such, the actual real news corperations that still have some pull
with the people who read the news. If that happens, the readers could be
of two opinions depending on what light this movement is cast in, if
its cast with a sympathetic approach, Bioware, and by default, EA, would
have to come up with some kind of reason as to why they AREN'T giving
us something that we most obviously were promised, and when we had payed
for the product under the assuppmtion that they would be upholding said
promises. That would be very bad for any kind of future business that
they would try and do, within the gaming community as a whole. The more
people who are aware of something happening with a certain section of
one company are going to be more critcial of other sections, even if
they are in no way related, so it would actually behoove them to give us
what they want, if they ever want to escape this, with any semblance of
a consumer audiance.

Also please stop pushing around your doom
and gloom, you've made your point, which is that the cause is doomed.
Now step aside and let others give their thoughts, which in this thread
trend towards being along the lines of, 'if we hold out long enough,
they may or may not give us what we want, but we will fight to the end,
just so that we can say, "At least we weren't being pushed over
backwards with the vauge hints, the semi promises, the bs from Bioware.
No we will be able to say with all honesty, that, we held out until
there was nothing to hold out for. We were there when they gave the
announcment. We held the line."' That is what is going through most
everyone's heads right now, while you sit there, and post your,
pesimistic veiws on the situation. Thank you for your input, its nice to
see someone who feels that way, but in this thread, it will be seen as a
troll, which is something, I'm sure that you are not trying to do.

EDIT: This is in response to your containment thoughts:
Maybe you haven't noticed this but, if you've been following this movement, then you would have seen the multiple articles,
throughout the internet that support our cause, and yes even the ones
that bash upon it. Then there's also the Childs Play donation drive,
Facebook, Twitter, each of those are equally alight with empassioned
persons, most of them as pissed over the endings as we are here. Of
course you'll say, "But there are people here who have twitters." Yes
there are, but there are more people with Twitter accounts these days
than there are people with a BSN profile. So I hardly see that as
containment, oh and there are other forums that are also flooded with
their own regulars who are fans of the games, just as we all are, who
are royally pissed at the endings. People everywhere around the world
are being brought together in their passion for this series and crying
out in one voice, "We will get our ending, COME HELL OR HIGH WATER,
AND DAMN THE CONSEQUENCES!" I don't think we are being contained, I
think we are spreading, more and more, a little here, a little there,
until we have the undivided attention. When we have that, I truely
believe that, that is the point where WE, will have THEM contained. For
at that point in time, we will have grown into something truely
beatuiful to behold, a group of people, who despite our many
differences, despite our many choices, are choosing to put our
collective foot down and say, "We will not have this. We will have our
proper reward for something that we have spent blood, sweat, and tears
to complete, and we will have our true ending."

This one~! page 1574 if you want to see the quoted stuff...

[Goodwood]

Harthouse wrote...

pikey1969 wrote...

Well, it's too bad you guys decided to completely gloss over my original post, and jump immediately to 'lol troll'.

If you actually want this to go somewhere, you're gonna want to 'fight' the containment.

You may still be in the fight on "BSN", but if you really want to win and make a difference, you need to win in the real battleground, the gaming media, where you've been getting decimated, and in my opinion have already lost.

How? I don't know, you're the brilliant minds behind Child's Play, you figure it out. Write them, contact any prominent figures (if you know any) in there, or whatever.

But as long as you continue to get belittled on the 'outside' as a whole, the slighter your chances will be. And in my opinon, that's where this 'war' came to an end.

I won't call you a troll.  I will disagree with you. 

First, your tone is disrespectful or at the very least condescending and dismissive.  You have every right to make your arguments however you like, but do not expect respectful reactions when your criticisms are not made with respect.  

Second, certainly there is a PR battle to be waged, and clearly Bioware has deeper pockets and better connections within the media than the vast majority of those that make up its fan base, no question.  That being the case, while we may indeed be decimated, (I believe more than one tenth of the articles have been negative but I'll allow that you've done a more thorough amount of research), the very fact that there has been substantial support from media outlets indicates that this is not a lost cause.

Third, in both your original post and others, you've often portrayed your opinions on future developments as facts.  (Also you used "vitriol" in too-quick succession, dampening its effect on the second use).  Other than the obvious problem with predictive opinions parading as facts, there is the simple truth that neither you nor I actually know what will come about from any of this. 

Perhaps Casey Hudson will go flying with his son and see a cloud that reminds him of the day he knew he wanted to make games, causing him to realise he left the stove on at home.   The slightly higher electric bill will cause Mr. Hudson to invest in a mobile app that allows him to turn off appliances.  However, that app is actually faulty and does little more than play Angry Birds sound effects. Mr. Hudson becomes enraged and sells his plane in order to avoid ever leaving the stove on whilst flying.  Due to no longer having this father-son bonding moment, Mr. Hudson decides to become the coach of every team his son is on (as I presume he's a great father anyway).  Seeing the joy on kids' faces from just playing and having fun sparks a desire in Mr. Hudson to spread this joyful expression of play to others, and the ME3 ending solution is announced.  That prediction is just as accurate as yours UNTIL we know for sure.

Finally Pikey, I'd respectfully suggest that offering advice is often more readily accepted than attempting to control, and much of what you've written reads like attempting to get people here to simply pack up shop and give up.

I'm quite happy to debate you on any of these points, respectfully.

Oh, and hold the line.

Thank you for that, good sir.

[LadyMarisa]

Solotalento wrote...

if anybody missed the bioware post on the PR campaign thread
here it is
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10084349/30#10107901

more then 1500 pages here and no answer...
answer on page 30 in that PR thread

Jarret's post was very polite and understanding, it seemed sincere to me. I don't think anyone expects an official to post here, like I've said before, this thread seems more like a community meeting place for the movement to me.

Still, I appreciate the link. I liked seeing his response in that thread. I don't read many of the other threads here on BSN but that doesn't mean I think they aren't quality ones. Thanks for bringing that to our attention. =)

[People4Peace]

I am having some internet issues so I am heading out. I'll check back in tomorrow.

And again for ForceMuffin:
He/She wants everyone to remember what we're fighting for.

And as always....HOLD THE LINE!

Modifié par People4Peace, 17 mars 2012 - 07:24 .

[malra]

Nharia1 wrote...

xHezz90 wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

;-; no quotes for me... now I'm sad people... I mean I spent like 15 minutes working on that post....

Which post? and don't worry this thread just moves that fast I'm sure it was missed.

That's where you're wrong, there is never certain doom or loss, when
it comes to battling a major conclomerate, such as EA or Biowware, with
enough support from this community, there is a very real possibiltiy
that we could become noticed by major news coperations who could, if
they chose to, report upon the situation. I'm talking about The Times
and such, the actual real news corperations that still have some pull
with the people who read the news. If that happens, the readers could be
of two opinions depending on what light this movement is cast in, if
its cast with a sympathetic approach, Bioware, and by default, EA, would
have to come up with some kind of reason as to why they AREN'T giving
us something that we most obviously were promised, and when we had payed
for the product under the assuppmtion that they would be upholding said
promises. That would be very bad for any kind of future business that
they would try and do, within the gaming community as a whole. The more
people who are aware of something happening with a certain section of
one company are going to be more critcial of other sections, even if
they are in no way related, so it would actually behoove them to give us
what they want, if they ever want to escape this, with any semblance of
a consumer audiance.

Also please stop pushing around your doom
and gloom, you've made your point, which is that the cause is doomed.
Now step aside and let others give their thoughts, which in this thread
trend towards being along the lines of, 'if we hold out long enough,
they may or may not give us what we want, but we will fight to the end,
just so that we can say, "At least we weren't being pushed over
backwards with the vauge hints, the semi promises, the bs from Bioware.
No we will be able to say with all honesty, that, we held out until
there was nothing to hold out for. We were there when they gave the
announcment. We held the line."' That is what is going through most
everyone's heads right now, while you sit there, and post your,
pesimistic veiws on the situation. Thank you for your input, its nice to
see someone who feels that way, but in this thread, it will be seen as a
troll, which is something, I'm sure that you are not trying to do.

EDIT: This is in response to your containment thoughts:
Maybe you haven't noticed this but, if you've been following this movement, then you would have seen the multiple articles,
throughout the internet that support our cause, and yes even the ones
that bash upon it. Then there's also the Childs Play donation drive,
Facebook, Twitter, each of those are equally alight with empassioned
persons, most of them as pissed over the endings as we are here. Of
course you'll say, "But there are people here who have twitters." Yes
there are, but there are more people with Twitter accounts these days
than there are people with a BSN profile. So I hardly see that as
containment, oh and there are other forums that are also flooded with
their own regulars who are fans of the games, just as we all are, who
are royally pissed at the endings. People everywhere around the world
are being brought together in their passion for this series and crying
out in one voice, "We will get our ending, COME HELL OR HIGH WATER,
AND DAMN THE CONSEQUENCES!" I don't think we are being contained, I
think we are spreading, more and more, a little here, a little there,
until we have the undivided attention. When we have that, I truely
believe that, that is the point where WE, will have THEM contained. For
at that point in time, we will have grown into something truely
beatuiful to behold, a group of people, who despite our many
differences, despite our many choices, are choosing to put our
collective foot down and say, "We will not have this. We will have our
proper reward for something that we have spent blood, sweat, and tears
to complete, and we will have our true ending."

This one~! page 1574 if you want to see the quoted stuff...

salute to you.  friends of mine who WOW etc. are all aware of what is happening, and from the gamers themselves they know whats really going on.

[Lord Costantino]

@Nharia1

Well said. I think that the few people who log on the forums to discourage us honestly have NOTHING else better to do. If they say that our cause isnt worth it....why are they here trying to convince us? Go play your game, go outside, or go hang out with a loved one. WHY are you here trying to bring people down about a cause thats supposedly failing when it isn't.

[infinitekilan]

pikey1969 wrote...

Lord Costantino wrote...

pikey1969 wrote...

Well, it's too bad you guys decided to completely gloss over my original post, and jump immediately to 'lol troll'.

If you actually want this to go somewhere, you're gonna want to 'fight' the containment.

You may still be in the fight on "BSN", but if you really want to win and make a difference, you need to win in the real battleground, the gaming media, where you've been getting decimated, and in my opinion have already lost.

How? I don't know, you're the brilliant minds behind Child's Play, you figure it out. Write them, contact any prominent figures (if you know any) in there, or whatever.

But as long as you continue to get belittled on the 'outside' as a whole, the slighter your chances will be. And in my opinon, that's where this 'war' came to an end.

Thank you for saying its great that we are doing the childs play...HOWEVER
We do have support from outside the gaming networks if you pay attention.  As an example Forbes has been a great help and more and more people are joining the cause everyday. It is no where near of dying. Now if you want to post your "end of the world" posts about Retake Mass Effect then go make your own forum and talk about it their because you will see no help for your case here.

Forbes has been one of few anomalies in the coverage. Most probably because they're not your typical gaming media. The journalists there are not your typical games media journalists. They only cover games when they're tied to business aspects of the industry. It's a financial media outlet, it's mostly designed for readers in business or investment. They're not worried about getting preview/review exclusives, ad-fundings (yea, gaming outlets have to advertise the same crap they're trying to exercise 'journalistic integrity' on), and etc.

Aside from forbes, there are very few gaming media that have rendered support for the actual goal behind the Retake movement, and certainly none of the BIG ones that have huge audiences (shacknews, ign, gamespot, pc gamer, penny-arcade, Escapist, Game Informer, Eurogamer, and/or their resepctive podcasts). In fact I can only think of that ONE article that's not Forbes, that truly renders support for this.

The rest of the gaming media is VERY different from publications like Forbes. Many of these big gaming outlets are tighly tied to the game makers themselves. It has evolved into a very strange mutually-beneficially relationship when compared to that of other entertainment mediums, when it really shoudl be anything BUT. Additionally, as I've said time and time again, most of these outlets and their writers are very particular to legitmizing games as a serious medium on par with other forms of media. Their support is gonna be very difficult, and as I've stated, in my personal opinion impossible.

Why does that matter? Because frankly, at the end of the day, that where lionshare of the market perception is formed. Games are quite unlike other forms of media, in that critical appraisal is almost synonymous with financial success. There are VERY few exceptions to this rule. That's why bulk of PR work for games are spent in winning the gaming media over. I have a friend who works in the gaming media, and the amount of PR coordination that gets involved or tries to get involved is mind boggling.

And the thing is it's most likely those same PR firms/people that are handling this issue as well. As long as the gaming media is on the side of Bioware, that's really most of what the PR (eyes/ears/mouth of EA that makes the final call) is going to to pay attention, which is sound in their school of logic, as well as in reality.

You can all sit here and dwell on Hudson's 'wrap-up' and cross your fingers and hold the line, but as long as you do, you're playing straight into their terms and rules. Read that PR guy's new post, it's mostly on the money, just don't dwell so much on the parts where he leaves up to his 'oldmans optimism'.

Unless the gaming media's perception changes, the chances of an Ending DLC is slim to none. And changing that is a tall-order.

So just because it's gaming media that is standing against us the most, that automatically means we fail? Just because the media outlets that are in the pockets of big game corporations like EA, we can't possibly win? I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that the results of our outcome depended on the people EA pays to say what EA wants. Just like ANY revolution, it doesn't matter what those in power say. Eventually, the revolutionaries win, at least for the most part(in the interest of fairness, there was the failed Irish Rebellion, the Tibetan uprising, and quite a few others). It has been that way since the beginning of civilization. Yes there have been setbacks; some minor, some absolutely massive. But they still held the line and they still won. American Revolution? Won. Roman Slave Rebellions? Won. More recently, the protest against SOPA/PIPA.

Point? Those in power don't hold that power indefinitely. They can be overthrown, they can be brought down, they can be swayed.

This is no different. We can achieve victory, and we will.