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[CitizenSnips28]

Eh some of the hardcore gaming media has been backing off a bit.as late. Have you read the forums over there? They're taking a bit of a beating from their own viewers over their hard line stance so they may opt to try balancing that a bit. Honestly you say we should appeal to.the media over there. Right ill just call up their senior editors and have a chat. We're on first name basis! Truth is unless someone in this group has connections there really isn't a way to get them on our side beyond what we're doing, which is voicing our opinions over on the carious game media forums. Gamers generally don't completely trust or like the gaming media anyway. The perception is that they are all in bed for advertising revenue anyway. Its not the be all and end all you seem to believe.

[Goodwood]

For anyone of us who holds the line but has not seen it, I highly suggest watching the film Gettysburg. Pay particular attention to the battle on Little Round Top on the second day, and how the 20th Maine held the line until they could hold no more, and then charged down that hill like bats out of hell.

BAYONETS!!!

[Nharia1]

infinitekilan wrote...


So just because it's gaming media that is standing against us the most, that automatically means we fail? Just because the media outlets that are in the pockets of big game corporations like EA, we can't possibly win? I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that the results of our outcome depended on the people EA pays to say what EA wants. Just like ANY revolution, it doesn't matter what those in power say. Eventually, the revolutionaries win, at least for the most part(in the interest of fairness, there was the failed Irish Rebellion, the Tibetan uprising, and quite a few others). It has been that way since the beginning of civilization. Yes there have been setbacks; some minor, some absolutely massive. But they still held the line and they still won. American Revolution? Won. Roman Slave Rebellions? Won. More recently, the protest against SOPA/PIPA.

Point? Those in power don't hold that power indefinitely. They can be overthrown, they can be brought down, they can be swayed.

This is no different. We can achieve victory, and we will.

Historical referances~! OoO You sir or madam, have a new follower! I'm huge history nut, beisde being a cook and gamer, and avid reader...

[Militarized]

Ironic that the people trying to discourage us come around the same time the PR guys roll out their letter of nonsense.

Don't believe it guys!

[Copperbolt]

US Fleet; Office of Support and Logistics is offline for the night, hold strong.

[Lord Costantino]

@infinitekilan

I completely agree with you statement. As long as we stick together and prove we are not some mindless consumers then we can win this. We gather more and more everyday to our side. Who cares what gaming media says...they are BIASED (not all are biased because some stand for what is right,). While Forbes is unbiased and can see the big picture.

 
@Nharia1
I to love history and loved the reference 

Modifié par Lord Costantino, 17 mars 2012 - 07:31 .

[Nharia1]

Goodwood wrote...

For anyone of us who holds the line but has not seen it, I highly suggest watching the film Gettysburg. Pay particular attention to the battle on Little Round Top on the second day, and how the 20th Maine held the line until they could hold no more, and then charged down that hill like bats out of hell.

BAYONETS!!!

Gets my skin tingling every time I see that movie... I need to watch it agian... I just wish I had a DVD copy instead of a VHS... though I still have a VCR somewhere around here.... *digs it out from under a mountain of books* Ah there we go... no to hook it up and find the movie...

[Benth08x]

Logging off for the night, keep up the good fight guys.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Nharia1 wrote...


That's where you're wrong, there is never certain doom or loss, when
it comes to battling a major conclomerate, such as EA or Biowware, with
enough support from this community, there is a very real possibiltiy
that we could become noticed by major news coperations who could, if
they chose to, report upon the situation. I'm talking about The Times
and such, the actual real news corperations that still have some pull
with the people who read the news. If that happens, the readers could be
of two opinions depending on what light this movement is cast in, if
its cast with a sympathetic approach, Bioware, and by default, EA, would
have to come up with some kind of reason as to why they AREN'T giving
us something that we most obviously were promised, and when we had payed
for the product under the assuppmtion that they would be upholding said
promises. That would be very bad for any kind of future business that
they would try and do, within the gaming community as a whole. The more
people who are aware of something happening with a certain section of
one company are going to be more critcial of other sections, even if
they are in no way related, so it would actually behoove them to give us
what they want, if they ever want to escape this, with any semblance of
a consumer audiance.

Also please stop pushing around your doom
and gloom, you've made your point, which is that the cause is doomed.
Now step aside and let others give their thoughts, which in this thread
trend towards being along the lines of, 'if we hold out long enough,
they may or may not give us what we want, but we will fight to the end,
just so that we can say, "At least we weren't being pushed over
backwards with the vauge hints, the semi promises, the bs from Bioware.
No we will be able to say with all honesty, that, we held out until
there was nothing to hold out for. We were there when they gave the
announcment. We held the line."' That is what is going through most
everyone's heads right now, while you sit there, and post your,
pesimistic veiws on the situation. Thank you for your input, its nice to
see someone who feels that way, but in this thread, it will be seen as a
troll, which is something, I'm sure that you are not trying to do.

EDIT: This is in response to your containment thoughts:
Maybe you haven't noticed this but, if you've been following this movement, then you would have seen the multiple articles,
throughout the internet that support our cause, and yes even the ones
that bash upon it. Then there's also the Childs Play donation drive,
Facebook, Twitter, each of those are equally alight with empassioned
persons, most of them as pissed over the endings as we are here. Of
course you'll say, "But there are people here who have twitters." Yes
there are, but there are more people with Twitter accounts these days
than there are people with a BSN profile. So I hardly see that as
containment, oh and there are other forums that are also flooded with
their own regulars who are fans of the games, just as we all are, who
are royally pissed at the endings. People everywhere around the world
are being brought together in their passion for this series and crying
out in one voice, "We will get our ending, COME HELL OR HIGH WATER,
AND DAMN THE CONSEQUENCES!" I don't think we are being contained, I
think we are spreading, more and more, a little here, a little there,
until we have the undivided attention. When we have that, I truely
believe that, that is the point where WE, will have THEM contained. For
at that point in time, we will have grown into something truely
beatuiful to behold, a group of people, who despite our many
differences, despite our many choices, are choosing to put our
collective foot down and say, "We will not have this. We will have our
proper reward for something that we have spent blood, sweat, and tears
to complete, and we will have our true ending."

This one~! page 1574 if you want to see the quoted stuff...

*claps* well said, I haven't been  paying much attention outside of here, except for the articles you guys post but I have facebook and I am alway on there so I see people I know and fan goups and such who are all upset and angry about the ending aswell, so it makes sense that it's not contained.

[LadyMarisa]

I'm going to indulge in a little masochism before bed (trying to make the *precise* choices rather than the fitting ones) in a new playthrough.

At the risk of sounding snarky or hokey, just our usual reminders:

Please be respectful to each other
Please don't feed the trolls
Please continue to bring up Child's Play
and Hold the Line.

Thanks for making me feel better folks! Until tomorrow, signing out.

[pikey1969]

Harthouse wrote...

Second, certainly there is a PR battle to be waged, and clearly Bioware has deeper pockets and better connections within the media than the vast majority of those that make up its fan base, no question.  That being the case, while we may indeed be decimated, (I believe more than one tenth of the articles have been negative but I'll allow that you've done a more thorough amount of research), the very fact that there has been substantial support from media outlets indicates that this is not a lost cause.

First, I apologize for the tone, I hate the endings as much as you probably do, and personally there's a small sense of defeat in seeing the way things unfolded, and the negativity probably more than leaked into that post. As for your third point, I am no writer, nor will I ever pretend to be. I apologize for any miscommunication/offense caused by my poor phrasing/choice of words.

As for your second point, no there really hasn't been substantial support from the media outlets. I recall about 3-4 articles that have portrayed this movement in a positive light, none of them major gaming outlets, the ones that most PR firms specializing in the gaming industry look at and care about (for good reasons too, because for the most part that system works).

Forbes, at the first glance, may seem like a very formidable ally in the media. You immediately think, business magazine? Investors reading? EA, a public company? Win.

However, they're also somewhat of an outside-player in terms of the very complex media-publisher dichotomy that is very unique to how things are in the gaming industry. That's where the lionshare of general perceptions/consensus of your average gamers are formed. That's why so much of the PR for video games is so tightly wound up around its media-coverage.

Unless the movement can sway the opinion out there, chances of Bioware or more specifically EA being pressured into doing something about the crap endings is quite slim.

[malra]

Goodwood wrote...

For anyone of us who holds the line but has not seen it, I highly suggest watching the film Gettysburg. Pay particular attention to the battle on Little Round Top on the second day, and how the 20th Maine held the line until they could hold no more, and then charged down that hill like bats out of hell.

BAYONETS!!!

that would be the balls and bayonets brigade and they will always hold the line

[infinitekilan]

Nharia1 wrote...

infinitekilan wrote...


So just because it's gaming media that is standing against us the most, that automatically means we fail? Just because the media outlets that are in the pockets of big game corporations like EA, we can't possibly win? I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that the results of our outcome depended on the people EA pays to say what EA wants. Just like ANY revolution, it doesn't matter what those in power say. Eventually, the revolutionaries win, at least for the most part(in the interest of fairness, there was the failed Irish Rebellion, the Tibetan uprising, and quite a few others). It has been that way since the beginning of civilization. Yes there have been setbacks; some minor, some absolutely massive. But they still held the line and they still won. American Revolution? Won. Roman Slave Rebellions? Won. More recently, the protest against SOPA/PIPA.

Point? Those in power don't hold that power indefinitely. They can be overthrown, they can be brought down, they can be swayed.

This is no different. We can achieve victory, and we will.

Historical referances~! OoO You sir or madam, have a new follower! I'm huge history nut, beisde being a cook and gamer, and avid reader...

That would be sir.

[Goodwood]

Nharia1 wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

For anyone of us who holds the line but has not seen it, I highly suggest watching the film Gettysburg. Pay particular attention to the battle on Little Round Top on the second day, and how the 20th Maine held the line until they could hold no more, and then charged down that hill like bats out of hell.

BAYONETS!!!

Gets my skin tingling every time I see that movie... I need to watch it agian... I just wish I had a DVD copy instead of a VHS... though I still have a VCR somewhere around here.... *digs it out from under a mountain of books* Ah there we go... no to hook it up and find the movie...

The irony here being that the actual charge down Little Round Top was completely spontaneous. A private just went absolutely ballistic and started chasing down the retreating Alabama troops; several others from his company followed, then Col. Chamberlain just said "Aw, to hell with this! CHARGE!"

[Nharia1]

Lord Costantino wrote...

@Nharia1

Well said. I think that the few people who log on the forums to discourage us honestly have NOTHING else better to do. If they say that our cause isnt worth it....why are they here trying to convince us? Go play your game, go outside, or go hang out with a loved one. WHY are you here trying to bring people down about a cause thats supposedly failing when it isn't.

Excatly, and thanks... I've never been so enflamed in my life than when I saw the endings, and now this... someone telling us that ours is a lost cause... that's beyond anything I ever expected....

[Lord Costantino]

pikey1969 wrote...

Harthouse wrote...

Second, certainly there is a PR battle to be waged, and clearly Bioware has deeper pockets and better connections within the media than the vast majority of those that make up its fan base, no question.  That being the case, while we may indeed be decimated, (I believe more than one tenth of the articles have been negative but I'll allow that you've done a more thorough amount of research), the very fact that there has been substantial support from media outlets indicates that this is not a lost cause.

First, I apologize for the tone, I hate the endings as much as you probably do, and personally there's a small sense of defeat in seeing the way things unfolded, and the negativity probably more than leaked into that post. As for your third point, I am no writer, nor will I ever pretend to be. I apologize for any miscommunication/offense caused by my poor phrasing/choice of words.

As for your second point, no there really hasn't been substantial support from the media outlets. I recall about 3-4 articles that have portrayed this movement in a positive light, none of them major gaming outlets, the ones that most PR firms specializing in the gaming industry look at and care about (for good reasons too, because for the most part that system works).

Forbes, at the first glance, may seem like a very formidable ally in the media. You immediately think, business magazine? Investors reading? EA, a public company? Win.

However, they're also somewhat of an outside-player in terms of the very complex media-publisher dichotomy that is very unique to how things are in the gaming industry. That's where the lionshare of general perceptions/consensus of your average gamers are formed. That's why so much of the PR for video games is so tightly wound up around its media-coverage.

Unless the movement can sway the opinion out there, chances of Bioware or more specifically EA being pressured into doing something about the crap endings is quite slim.

You keep talking about "outside players" Business is business. Just because its a game does not make it any different then any other product put out. Opinion is out their and other countries are reporting about how Bioware needs to change it. Go to their websites to see for yourself. Another thing, if you find this all so pointless why are you here? If you don't believe in the cause go find something else thats productive to do. I am not trying to seem mean but seriously WHY are you just trying to bring down people who want to fight for quality in a product?

[Nharia1]

Goodwood wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

For anyone of us who holds the line but has not seen it, I highly suggest watching the film Gettysburg. Pay particular attention to the battle on Little Round Top on the second day, and how the 20th Maine held the line until they could hold no more, and then charged down that hill like bats out of hell.

BAYONETS!!!

Gets my skin tingling every time I see that movie... I need to watch it agian... I just wish I had a DVD copy instead of a VHS... though I still have a VCR somewhere around here.... *digs it out from under a mountain of books* Ah there we go... no to hook it up and find the movie...

The irony here being that the actual charge down Little Round Top was completely spontaneous. A private just went absolutely ballistic and started chasing down the retreating Alabama troops; several others from his company followed, then Col. Chamberlain just said "Aw, to hell with this! CHARGE!"

From what I read, it was more of a last ditch effort from getting his entire force killed, and being the man blamed for the end of the war against the south... He was the extreme end of the Union line after all...  Then again my source is The Killer Angels, so I'm not sure how accurate that is...

[Calesca]

Okay, I would just ... jup, I ended the game yesterday. I knew the ends, but then I saw MY Shepard in this situation and it was the most horibble moment in my gamer life.

The whole game they say to us, that destruction is the only way. And in the last few minutes there is a ghost and he says "No, we are the good ones, believe us" ... aaah ... okay? Nooo!

In a few years, when I remember Mass Effect, I will not think about the incredible game. I will say "Ah, Mass Effect, the game with this horrible end."
Is this what BW wanted?

Today, I'm totaly ... out of state. Emotional state of emergency.
But I will fight. For me, for Shep, for Garrus and the little krogan babys, they will adopt!

Hold the line, I'm with you!

[IndelibleJester]

Hold the line! We must give Marauder Shields a new meaning in life! He has more to live for!

Modifié par IndelibleJester, 17 mars 2012 - 07:35 .

[Lord Costantino]

Calesca wrote...

Okay, I would just ... jup, I ended the game yesterday. I knew the ends, but then I saw MY Shepard in this situation and it was the most horibble moment in my gamer life.

The whole game they say to us, that destruction is the only way. And in the last few minutes there is a ghost and he says "No, we are the good ones, believe us" ... aaah ... okay? Nooo!

In a few years, when I remember Mass Effect, I will not think about the incredible game. I will say "Ah, Mass Effect, the game with this horrible end."
Is this what BW wanted?

Today, I'm totaly ... out of state. Emotional state of emergency.
But I will fight. For me, for Shep, for Garrus and the little krogan babys, they will adopt!

Hold the line, I'm with you!

Another addition to the Line  welcome!

[Solotalento]

LadyMarisa wrote...

Solotalento wrote...

if anybody missed the bioware post on the PR campaign thread
here it is
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10084349/30#10107901

more then 1500 pages here and no answer...
answer on page 30 in that PR thread

Jarret's post was very polite and understanding, it seemed sincere to me. I don't think anyone expects an official to post here, like I've said before, this thread seems more like a community meeting place for the movement to me.

Still, I appreciate the link. I liked seeing his response in that thread. I don't read many of the other threads here on BSN but that doesn't mean I think they aren't quality ones. Thanks for bringing that to our attention. =)

he posted even more
that one is my personal favourite of Bioware comments, since the release
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10084349/33#10108809

[Goodwood]

The Killer Angels is a novel, the second in a trilogy by Michael and Jeffrey Shaara (father and son—Mike died after completing one of the novels and Jeff finished the other two from notes). I have two reference books about the Civil War, Brother Against Brother published by Time Life, and the venerable Campfire and Battlefield, which was first published in the 1880s. While the latter is a little light on details, they both agree that the action was not premeditated.

Doesn't diminish what the regiment and its commander accomplished, though.

Modifié par Goodwood, 17 mars 2012 - 07:39 .

[ErMacPE]

Good morning everyone, SSV Port Elizabeth reporting in - sitrep?

[Baine10]

The endings are what they are. All recent media points toward that. Casey himself said something along the lines of "we're happy with the game, it's over, we're just getting your feedback now for the future"

OH SHEPARD'S STORY ISN'T DONE YET. That's what he said. It is more of a "turn around the situation statement" then a declaration. At the F8cking beginning of development they already said Mass Effect 3 was the end of Shepard. Contradictory statements make jerks out of the people who make them.

[pikey1969]

Sl4sh3r wrote...

To be 100% honest I stopped reading after the ~first paragraph or so...

You're talking about game review websites that make their money off of: 1. Reviewing games and 2. Advertisements.

Why would they report the truth? Most of them take a neutral standpoint to avoid problems with EA.

They're covering their asses.

That said, yes, it sucks that they have this point of view merely to cover their own asses, but we have numerous youtube stars backing us, so it balances out a bit.

I know many more people that follow people like

Total Biscuit
Angry Joe
Yahtzee (hasn't supported us yet but I believe he will)

etc. over these paid-to-give-good-review websites.

I am the same, much prefer those outlets over most of the big media ones.

Then again I personally prefer my opinion and that of my friends over third-parties.

However, at the end of the day, this movement is about getting EA/Bioware to more or less fold and making amendments. For that you're looking at trying to win on the PR front. And the PR guys are less worried about integrity and more worried abou the hard numbers (which is fair enough), and the viewership numbers are on the side of IGN, Gamespot, and etc.

Some of the less 'mainstream' sites that have huge numbers regardless have been against ending revision/additions as well, like Penny-Arcade, Giant-Bomb, and even the Escapist (a good example of people clearly hating the ending, but also not exactly getting behind the revision movement).