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[Fulgrim88]

Lord Costantino wrote...

 I believe this needs to be heard again.

Hackett ftw

Hah. Strangely fitting.

We'll hold the line, Admiral

[RatedRRachel]

Goodwood wrote...

Sl4sh3r wrote...

One thing I wanted to add to the...

"Things I don't like about ME3 besides the ending" category...

THE DAMN 'PUSH RELEASE' PLASTIC THING HOLDING THE DISCS IN THE BOX.

They are by far the most annoying 'push release' buttons out of any case I've ever seen.

I wouldn't know. I have a digital copy.

I thought I was the only one that had a problem with the push/release tabs.  I kept thinking that I was going to crack the disc while trying to get it out. Maybe it would have been for the best. It was an amazing game, but the endings still plague my thoughts. 

[mr.surv]

Back again in line.

Any news?

[Lord Costantino]

Nharia1 wrote...

Lord Costantino wrote...

Lady_Aescwyn wrote...

*long, tired sigh*

I've been watching and occasionally commenting on this thread since a few days before launch, but a part of me has been in denial this whole time. Hoping that it's all just a big misunderstanding or something... I don't even know. Well... I just finished the game and saw the endings with my own eyes...

I knew... I knew what would happen... But still... It hit me hard. I tried to rationalize it and failed. I don't even know why I'm so goddamn worked up over a VIDEO GAME!

I don't know... I'm just tired... And sad.

No anger.

Just the tiniest spark of determination.

We. Will. Fix. This.

Hold the line.

We will hold this line until we see the sun break the dawn! 

At dawn on the third day. Look to the east. Sorry had to throw that in there.

...My mind exploded with epicness 

[Hicks 84]

Hello friends how goes the fight?

[Lord Costantino]

Fulgrim88 wrote...

Lord Costantino wrote...

 I believe this needs to be heard again.

Hackett ftw

Hah. Strangely fitting.

We'll hold the line, Admiral

This fits as well, I listen to this while I am on the Forums.

[Nharia1]

Goodwood wrote...

Liara T'Soni would've wanted me to hold the line, so I'm holding it.

Damn straight, she'd flay us all alive if she thought we were slacking at our posts. So keep holing the line!

[Militarized]

This is what I got from the PR letter. At least it fits with the endings logic. 

Maybe I'm bad at this meme thing. 

Modifié par Militarized, 17 mars 2012 - 07:53 .

[ld1449]

Modifié par ld1449, 17 mars 2012 - 07:55 .

[Nharia1]

Goodwood wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

The Killer Angels is a novel, the second in a trilogy by Michael and Jeffrey Shaara (father and son—Mike died after completing one of the novels and Jeff finished the other two from notes). I have two reference books about the Civil War, Brother Against Brother published by Time Life, and the venerable Campfire and Battlefield, which was first published in the 1880s. While the latter is a little light on details, they both agree that the action was not premeditated.

Doesn't diminish what the regiment and its commander accomplished, though.

Agreed! Best damn thing that happend for the Union that battle besides them winning it.

Don't tempt me...

I'm a Civil War, World War II and general military history nut, and any discussion between us would probably go on for hours and derail this thread...

yeah... v,v Back to the topic at hand. I'm reposting a pic that I was shown sometime ago in this very thread, I thought it might lift a few spirits...

http://upload.wiiare...31657534636.png

[magnutz06]

I have stopped playing ME3 or any ea bioware product and got guff for it,seems that paying for games and dlcs all these years and then deciding to take stand makes me entitled. Ok fine well to those who feel such i can only give my remorse ,you will continue to buy products that get increasingly worse because you refuse to take a stand.

I for one will HOLD THE LINE

[HITMAN629]

Hicks 84 wrote...

Hello friends how goes the fight?

Check at the top of the fourm, its a good start but this is far from over.

[DJBare]

Did this guy go to a school for buzzwords and pretentiousness?
www.g4tv.com/games/xbox-360/50299/mass-effect-3/review/

Mass Effect 3 and the entire series stand alongside Uncharted and Skyrim in exemplifying what games can do that cannot be replicated in other creative forms.  What is so unique in this game is how the presence of its conclusion feels like the existential dread that infuses the characters that make up its universe.  The paradox of the game becomes painfully prescient as it draws inexorably towards its conclusion.  Here, Shepard is trying to determining the fate of everything but the inevitability of the final is inescapable.  All the decisions you continue to make in Mass Effect may be less consequential but they feel all the more grave as if the game is becoming a testament to who you are, or who you want to be.

It reads more like he did not know what to say but had to get the article up anyway.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

I have a question....am I personally just too dumb to understand the ending or am I right and the ending makes no sense? I'm sorry for getting confused but all the naysayers seem to be getting to me.

[Fulgrim88]

tenojitsu wrote...

Hey guys. People seem to be responding to the following thread favorably. What do you guys think?

http://social.biowar...ndex/10102827/1

Hold the line!

I respectfully disagree. Stated my point in your thread

[pikey1969]

Harthouse wrote...

I fully accept your apology, and thank you very much for such a display of class, it's truly rare in the internet age.

While I continue to disagree with you in principle, you've made good and fair points here that in essence I cannot disagree with, most of the larger gaming media sites have, for whatever reasons, dimissed or derided the Retake campaign's activities.

  I do think that the PR battle is not quite over, and while I will to the end of my days despise Colin Moriarty and others of his ilk, for me the focus has always been on getting Bioware's attention and trying to get a change.  I'll keep trying simply because I've too many times in my life not done anything, experienced no change, and really couldn't complain since I'd done nothing.  This time, win lose or draw, at least I did something.

Still, I thank you very much for the respectful discussion.

Thanks for accepting, and for the respectful discussion from you too.

While I am personally done investing in this emotionally or with hope, I am still gonna continue to observe to see how this unfolds. Just like the ME trilogy itself, the way the fan-movement has unfolded is somewhat unprecedented in gaming. I personally thought all this would die down a lot sooner, until the Child's Play showed this aint your average fan-rage fest.

Then again, just as I was starting see some hope after the fans threw* that little curveball for the media to properly take notice, the 'games should be art/sacred' media ilk really came out in FULL force (I've always considered IGN to be somewhat of a joke, but man that Moriarty guy was... lol).

But hey, who knows? Maybe this movement has another trick up its sleeve yet.

However, just hoping Bioware will break its pattern of confessing its love/care for the fans while convenient and quietly ditching and handing it over the PR damage control when things get rough/unfavorable (see DA2/SWTOR debacles for recent example)? I can't bring myself to do it again (I lurked a LOT here during DA2, and while I was contemplating TOR), and I salute whoever thinks otherwise. 

Modifié par pikey1969, 17 mars 2012 - 08:06 .

[Goodwood]

Militarized wrote...



This is what I got from the PR letter. At least it fits with the endings logic. 

Maybe I'm bad at this meme thing. 

Memegenerator FTW.

[revaew]

did Casey Hudson's post kind feel like a slap in the face to anybody else? It made me feel even more alienated. and the whole part where he quotes sites that gave ME3 "great reviews" was like he was trying to be like "hey guys...it really is good...see?! they said so..."

I think I might have just lost more of my love for Bioware....

[Sl4sh3r]

xHezz90 wrote...

I have a question....am I personally just too dumb to understand the ending or am I right and the ending makes no sense? I'm sorry for getting confused but all the naysayers seem to be getting to me.

Unless the Indoctrination Theory holds true, then yes, you're right.

The endings make no sense.

You're not dumb

Hold the line!

[Lord Costantino]

xHezz90 wrote...

I have a question....am I personally just too dumb to understand the ending or am I right and the ending makes no sense? I'm sorry for getting confused but all the naysayers seem to be getting to me.

No the ending makes NO SENSE, don't listen to the naysayers. We need to remain strong, take a few mins away from the keyboard and go watch something funny for 5 min. It will help trust me.

[Nharia1]

Lord Costantino wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

Lord Costantino wrote...

Lady_Aescwyn wrote...

*long, tired sigh*

I've been watching and occasionally commenting on this thread since a few days before launch, but a part of me has been in denial this whole time. Hoping that it's all just a big misunderstanding or something... I don't even know. Well... I just finished the game and saw the endings with my own eyes...

I knew... I knew what would happen... But still... It hit me hard. I tried to rationalize it and failed. I don't even know why I'm so goddamn worked up over a VIDEO GAME!

I don't know... I'm just tired... And sad.

No anger.

Just the tiniest spark of determination.

We. Will. Fix. This.

Hold the line.

We will hold this line until we see the sun break the dawn! 

At dawn on the third day. Look to the east. Sorry had to throw that in there.

...My mind exploded with epicness 

Thats what I do I'm told... 

[ColloquialAnachron]

xHezz90 wrote...

I have a question....am I personally just too dumb to understand the ending or am I right and the ending makes no sense? I'm sorry for getting confused but all the naysayers seem to be getting to me.

I'm of two minds on this.  Either the endings do not make sense, or they only really make sense if the intent was to completely change the tone, themes, and overall structure of how ME has proceeded from its beginning.  Though keep in mind I haven't finished my Masters yet, and it is in History, so I might be too dumb as well.

[Militarized]

xHezz90 wrote...

I have a question....am I personally just too dumb to understand the ending or am I right and the ending makes no sense? I'm sorry for getting confused but all the naysayers seem to be getting to me.

Do you understand the basic idea? I get what they were trying to do... I just think it was really, really, really dumb. It doesn't help that the singularity idea is done better by other movies and games and fits better into their story/world... but the ME3 ending was almost purposfully vague and uninformative to the point of confusing. 

So no, you're most likely not to dumb to understand it. Someone else was just to arrogant to understand it didn't fit the story... let the story tell it's self :-/ sheesh. 

[pikey1969]

Hexi329 wrote...

That aside, however, in regards to the points brought up about video games transforming into "serious media": It appears to be a common misconception that "art" or "higher forms of expression" need to be, to some extent, inaccessible, or at least that "art" should be under great control of the artists. This is patently untrue.

Shakespeare himself could easily be considered the "B-Movie" writer of his time, writing plays that would easily cater to the lowest common demoniator of the Elizabethan lower class. Although some of his more gory/raunchy/base works may have been forgotten/less "well-remebered" in modern times (i.e. Titus Adronicus), they were nonetheless among the most popular works of Shakespeare's time.

A more recent example of an artist adapting his art to an audience can be found in the work of Dickens. Dickens, as was common during the Victorian era, wrote many of his novels in a serial style. In many instances, when fans wrote mail to Dickens expressing their displeasure at his treatment of certain characters, he would more often than not listen to his fans and shoehorn in their suggestions despite whatever effect they would have on his plot. Insofar as this is the case, Dickens was motivated not only by the internal drive to create "art" or "literature" as much as he was to create a commercial product that would both cater and satisfy his fans.

That having been said, this theme of the commercialization of art runs rampant throughout various other forms of media. So-called high class "classical music" was written for a specific audience--the wealthy patrons that so often dominated the courts of 19th century Europe. Art during the Renaissance, like classical music, was made for wealthy patrons as well. And in more modern times, the rise of pop music and avant-garde pop art have catered to lower and lower denominators, undoubtedly showing a trend towards the democratization of art as a whole.

That having been said, if video games are really trying to establish themselves among the arts as a "serious medium", they should be willing to embrace what artists over the past millenia did without pause--cater to their intended audiences. Art is not made in a vacuum, nor should it ever be. Therefore, art should be made--and remade--to fit the desires or whims of the audience. And before anyone attempts to object that movie endings aren't changed, books aren't rewritten, etc... it would be important to note that movies can be remade, stories can be retold, and music be rewritten. And as long as those examples hold, why would it be unfair to ask that the ending of a videogame, if videogames can be considered art, be rewritten? After all, it is in the nature of a work of art to adapt to changing times, lest it be forgotten.

That having been said, to any who disagree to the point that videogames are art, the argument still holds: Video games are a commercial product. Commercial products should cater to the consumers to increase the profit margin. Consumers both wish for and are eager to pay for an alternate ending. Therefore, dlc should be released that changes the ending.

tl;dr Change the ending please

Yup, those are more or less the exact same thoughts that have been screaming in my head as I observed the media's reaction to this movement.

These are the kinds of questsions/points people still in the movement need to bring up to the gaming media, to really catch their attention. So far it's been the same 'i've invested 100+ hours', 'the ending made no sense' or a more rudimentary version of your last particular point, which is just too easy for the media to make fun of, skew, and/or simply just garble.

ps. Yea I apologized for my original tone to another guy here earlier, same to you man.

Modifié par pikey1969, 17 mars 2012 - 08:03 .

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Sl4sh3r wrote...

xHezz90 wrote...

I have a question....am I personally just too dumb to understand the ending or am I right and the ending makes no sense? I'm sorry for getting confused but all the naysayers seem to be getting to me.

Unless the Indoctrination Theory holds true, then yes, you're right.

The endings make no sense.

You're not dumb

Hold the line!

Glad at least one person doesn't think Im dumb lol. The idoctrination theory is actually pretty (though at first I homestly didn't get it lol) interesting and it might make more sense than what we got.