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[Militarized]

Harthouse wrote...

xHezz90 wrote...

I have a question....am I personally just too dumb to understand the ending or am I right and the ending makes no sense? I'm sorry for getting confused but all the naysayers seem to be getting to me.

I'm of two minds on this.  Either the endings do not make sense, or they only really make sense if the intent was to completely change the tone, themes, and overall structure of how ME has proceeded from its beginning.  Though keep in mind I haven't finished my Masters yet, and it is in History, so I might be too dumb as well.

Hey now... I'm going for History as well and I don't consider myself dumb at all . 

[Nharia1]

xHezz90 wrote...

Sl4sh3r wrote...

xHezz90 wrote...

I have a question....am I personally just too dumb to understand the ending or am I right and the ending makes no sense? I'm sorry for getting confused but all the naysayers seem to be getting to me.

Unless the Indoctrination Theory holds true, then yes, you're right.

The endings make no sense.

You're not dumb

Hold the line!

Glad at least one person doesn't think Im dumb lol. The idoctrination theory is actually pretty (though at first I homestly didn't get it lol) interesting and it might make more sense than what we got.

If anythings dumb around here, its those blasted "endings"...

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Lord Costantino wrote...

xHezz90 wrote...

I have a question....am I personally just too dumb to understand the ending or am I right and the ending makes no sense? I'm sorry for getting confused but all the naysayers seem to be getting to me.

No the ending makes NO SENSE, don't listen to the naysayers. We need to remain strong, take a few mins away from the keyboard and go watch something funny for 5 min. It will help trust me.

Thanks, I think I may just do that.

So until I'm back thanks and hold the line for me while I am away

[Lord Costantino]

Harthouse wrote...

xHezz90 wrote...

I have a question....am I personally just too dumb to understand the ending or am I right and the ending makes no sense? I'm sorry for getting confused but all the naysayers seem to be getting to me.

I'm of two minds on this.  Either the endings do not make sense, or they only really make sense if the intent was to completely change the tone, themes, and overall structure of how ME has proceeded from its beginning.  Though keep in mind I haven't finished my Masters yet, and it is in History, so I might be too dumb as well.

The ending goes against everything Mass Effect was building. One being the Princple behind it. The Main idea of Mass Effect was Tolerance and that Organics and Synthetics can get along. Example is the Geth and the Quarians; they were able to get along (depending on your choices) but the end disregards what it built. The last 5 mins taught me that its ok to go ahead with Controling Free will, Playing God with creation by altering the DNA of the universe without consulting the Universe, and Genocide. Honestly the Ending is just, just terrible. The plot holes are one thing but THAT is HORRIBLE.

*modified*
Oh, and send the Galaxy back to the Stone Age...awesome resolution on all the things that you working for to build Tolerance....and the death of the Galactic Armada due to starvation by not being able to go through the Mass Relays to aquire resources....

Modifié par Lord Costantino, 17 mars 2012 - 08:07 .

[ColloquialAnachron]

pikey1969 wrote...

ps. Yea I apologized for my original tone to another guy here earlier.

It's true he did.  And then he went on to make nothing but polite and sensical arguments, and made an internet friend in me.

[gorgoth]

A thought comes to me that the big gaming sites are in
danger of going under if the status quo continues. If gamers can't trust the
content they give out as being unbiased then the games will stop going to them.
This would cause a drop in revenue from advertisement on their sites, and it's
a pure free fall from there.

Modifié par gorgoth, 17 mars 2012 - 08:08 .

[Crazed Weevil]

gorgoth wrote...

A thought comes to me that the big gaming sites are in
danger of going under if the status quo continues. If gamers can't trust the
content they give out as being unbiased then the games will stop going to them.
This would cause a drop in revenue from advertisement on their sites, and it's
a pure free fall from there.

Good

[infinitekilan]

Crazed Weevil wrote...

gorgoth wrote...

A thought comes to me that the big gaming sites are in
danger of going under if the status quo continues. If gamers can't trust the
content they give out as being unbiased then the games will stop going to them.
This would cause a drop in revenue from advertisement on their sites, and it's
a pure free fall from there.

Good

Seconded. Maybe then we'll get some actual opinion articles rather than underhanded they-paid-me-to-say-this nonsense.

[Fulgrim88]

xHezz90 wrote...

Glad at least one person doesn't think Im dumb lol. The idoctrination theory is actually pretty (though at first I homestly didn't get it lol) interesting and it might make more sense than what we got.

That's not saying much, seeing as everything  makes more sense than what we've got.

Countless people have managed to put up a number of better written endings in mere hours, than Bioware was able to do in months. With a single ending, at that. Heck, a single ending. It's like somewhere in the last week of development somebody spoke up at least and said "dudes, at least give them some variation of any kind" - thus the slightly varying dialogue, the coloured power converters to the left and right of the beam and the RGB endings were born.

In the end, it did nothing to save the ending, but it was probably all he could do

[malra]

gorgoth wrote...

A thought comes to me that the big gaming sites are in
danger of going under if the status quo continues. If gamers can't trust the
content they give out as being unbiased then the games will stop going to them.
This would cause a drop in revenue from advertisement on their sites, and it's
a pure free fall from there.

the problem is group think.  they all have to say the same thing and I would bet that most of them believe it.  Its what happens when you are around people who think and act and talk just likeyou  much.

[Sl4sh3r]

infinitekilan wrote...

Crazed Weevil wrote...

gorgoth wrote...

A thought comes to me that the big gaming sites are in
danger of going under if the status quo continues. If gamers can't trust the
content they give out as being unbiased then the games will stop going to them.
This would cause a drop in revenue from advertisement on their sites, and it's
a pure free fall from there.

Good

Seconded. Maybe then we'll get some actual opinion articles rather than underhanded they-paid-me-to-say-this nonsense.

Yeah, I always ignored IGN, Kotaku etc to begin with. I just never liked the way they reviewed.

Now I have nothing but hatred towards them.

They have made enemies in all of us.

Let's not let them forget that.

Hold the line!

Modifié par Sl4sh3r, 17 mars 2012 - 08:15 .

[Novouto]

revaew wrote...

did Casey Hudson's post kind feel like a slap in the face to anybody else? It made me feel even more alienated. and the whole part where he quotes sites that gave ME3 "great reviews" was like he was trying to be like "hey guys...it really is good...see?! they said so..."

I think I might have just lost more of my love for Bioware....

Same here! I was like, "You hold THOSE pretentious ****s in higher regard than US!? Your paying customers!?" Casey only suceeded in making me angier.

So no matter what I. WILL. HOLD. THE. LINE!

[MstrJedi Kyle]

Any one else think they should have put in ship upgrades that hide you from the Reapers so you can linger in a solar system longer?

[Flammenpanzer]

Some funny memes I found....

Modifié par Flammenpanzer, 17 mars 2012 - 08:18 .

[pikey1969]

gorgoth wrote...

A thought comes to me that the big gaming sites are in
danger of going under if the status quo continues. If gamers can't trust the
content they give out as being unbiased then the games will stop going to them.
This would cause a drop in revenue from advertisement on their sites, and it's
a pure free fall from there.

A few of them have already been in trouble for a while now. The 1up network for example is basically on its last ropes. Then again, 1up decline also has a lot to do with its close roots in magazines, and a lot of the magazine publications barely survived the transition to online format. The economy doesn't help either, even IGN had some big layoffs recently.

That said however, the real big players like Gamespot, IGN, Kotaku, and Giant-Bomb are here to stay.

Interestingly on the flip-side, YouTube and general social networking sites have been a growing entity on the PR firms' 'to-do-lists'. A lot of people disenfranchised by the way the big-sites work (remember gerstman-gate and how Giant Bomb came about?) have been turning instead to twitter, blogs, and especially YouTubers. Disregarded as a bunch of amateurs initially, they have been becoming a much bigger presence in market perception for gamers, due to the YouTubers' more grounded/honest appeal.

[infinitekilan]

It just occurred to me... bear with me, this is incredibly geektastic and a little over the top...

Video games have been teaching us for YEARS to stand up and fight against our foes, no matter what. Insurmountable odds, underdog hero, etc.

We are literally putting into practice AGAINST the industry, WHAT the industry has essentially taught us from the beginning.

Kinda reminds me of the gladiators in Spartacus:Blood and Sand/Gods of the Arena/Vengeance

Modifié par infinitekilan, 17 mars 2012 - 08:19 .

[Lord Costantino]

@Flammenpanzer

...Saved

[Kazefiend]

http://thatguywithth...s-mass-effect-3

Good ol' Angry Joe has a review up and he pretty much says what we are all saying.

[ReaverT]

My friends, I'm sorry to be the one who broughts you this. You can find this anyway on the Mass Effect 3 news and anouncment forums:
http://social.biowar.../index/10089946

Just like Shepard at the ending of ME3... we have to deal with what we are offered

[Nharia1]

infinitekilan wrote...

It just occurred to me... bear with me, this is incredibly geektastic and a little over the top...

Video games have been teaching us for YEARS to stand up and fight against our foes, no matter what. Insurmountable odds, underdog hero, etc.

We are literally putting into practice AGAINST the industry, WHAT the industry has essentially taught us from the beginning.

Kinda reminds me of the gladiators in Spartacus:Blood and Sand/Gods of the Arena/Vengeance

O.O I was just thinking along those lines as well... Its kind of sad that the one company that's been "teaching" it to me the most is Bioware...

[Sl4sh3r]

infinitekilan wrote...

It just occurred to me... bear with me, this is incredibly geektastic and a little over the top...

Video games have been teaching us for YEARS to stand up and fight against our foes, no matter what. Insurmountable odds, underdog hero, etc.

We are literally putting into practice AGAINST the industry, WHAT the industry has essentially taught us from the beginning.

Kinda reminds me of the gladiators in Spartacus:Blood and Sand/Gods of the Arena/Vengeance

Haha, I was thinking this as well.

"Hold the line" really came back to bite them in the ass eh?

Hold the line! <---

[MstrJedi Kyle]

infinitekilan wrote...

It just occurred to me... bear with me, this is incredibly geektastic and a little over the top...

Video games have been teaching us for YEARS to stand up and fight against our foes, no matter what. Insurmountable odds, underdog hero, etc.

We are literally putting into practice AGAINST the industry, WHAT the industry has essentially taught us from the beginning.

Kinda reminds me of the gladiators in Spartacus:Blood and Sand/Gods of the Arena/Vengeance

And yet doing what we are trained to do makes us entitled? Silly people

[Goodwood]

The Detroit Deathrattlers are standing down for the night.

But I would like to leave you all with one final series of thoughts to ponder. Maybe you'll find meaning and value in them, maybe you won't, but I would feel better for having expressed them.

The past ten days have been an emotional roller coaster ride, to say the least. From the highest mountains of ecstacy to the deepest cesspits of despair and hopelessness, I have had what is perhaps the most meaningful mental conversations and emotional experiences thus far in my 32.5 years of life on this planet. The most cathartic moment came from perhaps the least likely source: my psychiatrist. I respect the man, he's a professional with a nice disposition, but when I attempted to explain to him why the ending caused such a reaction within my psyche, he had nothing useful to offer.

For all his fancy degrees, he didn't get it at all. He even admonished me for becoming emotionally invested in a video game. And I respectfully disagreed with him, both as a human being and as a writer, citing the fact that video games can be and in some cases are just as meaningful as the best literature out there. It wasn't until that evening that the true impact of our discussion came about: I started playing ME3 again.

Yes, it was an NG+ of the first Shepard I'd imported, for two reasons: the face code glitch and the fact that I wasn't yet ready to cave completely. I'm still not budging from this collective line in the sand that we have drawn, but I will be damned before I let some bollocks'd up dream-child farce ruin the rest of an otherwise absolutely stellar experience for me. I'm going to continue to play this game, though at a much slower pace.

Do I feel that there still needs to be a 'real' ending made by Bioware and published? Yes. Will I continue to hold the line and support others who agree with and understand our cause? Absolutely. But I will not let my emotions dictate my life, because the hard and harsh reality of this world is that a life led at the whims of one's heart will forever be chaotic and uncoordinated. Each of us are capable of rational reason as well as runaway ruminations, and to let one dominate at the expense of the other is seldom healthy.

I still feel the pain I felt when first completing the game, but it is diminished, diffused. It no longer rules me, for I have mastered it. Eventually, hopefully, we all will do the same.

And then the fight will start to get really interesting.

[Sl4sh3r]

ReaverT wrote...

My friends, I'm sorry to be the one who broughts you this. You can find this anyway on the Mass Effect 3 news and anouncment forums:
http://social.biowar.../index/10089946

Just like Shepard at the ending of ME3... we have to deal with what we are offered

This has been dismissed as a PR ploy..


http://social.biowar...ndex/10084349/1

Hold the line soldier! That's an order!

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Right I am back and feel much better (watched some Billy Connolly jokes on youtube)

To Lord Costantino I thank you for the advice, it helped a lot and I am now back to feeling happy to holding the line and trying to get a better ending, as consumers we definitely deserve an ending that makes sense. It still baffles me how the writers and such managed to go from having an absolutely astounding game to having endings that makes no logical sense and have pretty colours (my favourite colour is red so I choose that yay *rolls eyes*)