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[Quartof]

The fate of the Normandy is what really bums me out. I hope It's true that you can have Tali and Garrus stay with their people. I'd hate for them to get screwed over after all of that traveling and triumph.

I guess Liara, James, EDI, and the Prothean will just have to deal.

[Nyaore]

toolfan9284 wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Planescape Torment > Baldur's Gate II

Wouldn't know. My damn computer refuses to play the game.

Your BBQ pizza got cold...so I ated it:bandit:

BTW, Casey Hudson Interview now up on Gamespot Hotspot.  After this thread I can't watch the whole thing...

 Did you at least save me some crumbs?

[Armass81]

Destroy ending doesnt destroy eezo, just all synthetic life, like EDI, Geth and Reapers. Organics will thriumph at the cost of synthetics. FTL travel is still possible, tough in limited numbers. I think Ashley said than standard FTL is 10 ly/day, on military ships or advanced ships it might be faster. That would mean, given enough fuel, galaxy could be crossed in 27 years on standard.

Also, because big amount of aliens will now have live on Earth or Mars, this might mean Earth will eventually become the new capital of galactic community, replacing Citadel.

Modifié par Armass81, 01 mars 2012 - 01:47 .

[panamakira]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

My mistake. A different Bioware person said that. Changes nothing.

Indeed. 

[greatgeek]

Some hope for the future of the ME universe - Hammer and Sword might form the basis of a truly united galaxy.

[Unit-Alpha]

SogaBan wrote...

CptData wrote...

Pretty much what you said, OP.

In short:


BW told us, the endings won't make everybody happy.
Truth is: the endings will make everybody sad.


And that, fellow fans, is the only truth here. Lets shove that down their throat.

Actually, you can't expect  to see the so-called HAPPY ending considering the dark past of the Reapers and their incomprehensible genocide of every living species (bacteria excluded, perhaps...). BUT it would have been better if the Normandy and its crews get stranded ALONG WITH Shepard... y'know at least this sort of ending would have pleased me... but then again, the price of (probably) stopping the galactic extinction cycle should be quite astronomical!

Sometimes I wonder.... in an interview, Mr. Hudson mentioned that Mass Effect 3 will be the END of SHEPARD's story arc... does that give us indication - Mass Effect saga will continue??? Or may be the Reapers are not FULLY destryed while some of them may still be hibernating in the god-damn dark-space...

Let's keep our fingers crossed.

Why would we want there to be more? Then we'd just get another crew shoehorned onto us which would promptly be eliminated at the end of the third game.

[Hyrist]

So many people overreacting.

Is getting your hollywood ending so important to you? Can't there finally be a game with a non-standard set of endings that actually has impact and weight instead of "Choose this ending to win?"

As I said in the Tali Thread:

People, particularly the young, seem to be too focused on what matters just for them personally. "I want my shep to be with my LI." "I want to have full choice in my ending". All the complaints seem to be about Shepard and the crew, and wanting a good ending specifically for them.

But I don't think the story has ever really been about that. Sure, the stories are about these people and the journey they took. But the goal they worked for, sacraficed for, has never, ever been about them. It's bigger than them, much bigger about them.

Tali once said: "I don't think life is about what you deserve."

Sure, Shep, Tali, whatever LI's and the Crew deserved a better ending. But the story was never about that. It was about what the future they worked toward, not just for themselves, but for everyone. What they left behind for posterity.

[ratzerman]

The game has already outsold ME2 pre-sales. The vast majority of casual fans aren't going to care about the ending. They play the game for the game, not the story. The only place where there will be rioting is here. And Priestly's strategy will be to simply let the fires burn themselves out. There won't be any lost revenue.

[Olueq]

I still am very skeptical of these endings. If they are the `best` ones though... then I am done with Bioware. I have put up with DA2, TOR, the plot in ME2, all the terrible novels and comics, but THIS? No.

[mopotter]

DaftArbiter wrote...

The best we can hope for, in the vein of Fallout 3, is a "fix" DLC that ends the problem present here. That's why I made this thread. To warn people if it's a gamebreaker for them, and beyond that, to get change for this game's sake from BW if they want to throw their loyal fans a bone, rather than boning the fans.

i got Fallout 3 and was going to pitch it when I heard about the dlc.  I got that and kept the game still play it.  

BioWare has always been my first choice in game preorder.  DA:O put a crack in that and for me, what this will will do is destroy any interest in pre-ordering future games.  I'll wait till they are out, see how the game looks, what the ending is like.

But I am giving them that little bit of hope that the leaked stuff missed something.  I'm not cancelling my order, I just won't do it for future games.

[Capeo]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

kingsims wrote...

So Liara dies regardless.... LOL what a slap to the face for the Liara fans.

We will always have LotSB....

Whoa, whoa, where are people getting Liara dies?  Not the case at all.  She has plot armor according to Tank and can't die until the very, very end if you bring her as part of the Hammer squad and are unprepared.

[humes spork]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

With what resources?  With what scientists?  With what infrastructure?  Everything is wrecked.

...so anyone answer the question about what in the galaxy the Batarians are doing during ME3 yet?

Because, I'd bet piles of money that after Shepard blew up one of their mass relays and slaughtered a few hundred thousand batarians for no perceptible (to them) reason at all, then not long after all their mass relays spontaneously blow up for no perceptible (to them) reason at all. They've gotta be cheesed off something awful, and...they haven't exactly used up all their everything like the Citadel races have.

[Unit-Alpha]

ratzerman wrote...

The game has already outsold ME2 pre-sales. The vast majority of casual fans aren't going to care about the ending. They play the game for the game, not the story. The only place where there will be rioting is here. And Priestly's strategy will be to simply let the fires burn themselves out. There won't be any lost revenue.

But the vast majority of casual gamers will also trade the game in at Gamestop. And given the reaction by core gamers, which didn't trade ME2 or ME1 in, it will be the same situation: trade-ins.

[kingsims]

It will probably take thousands of years to rebuild with the best ending. Even if the Geth help with their technological advancements. They probably won't be able to build their sphere now anyway without the mass relays.

[Unit-Alpha]

Capeo wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

kingsims wrote...

So Liara dies regardless.... LOL what a slap to the face for the Liara fans.

We will always have LotSB....

Whoa, whoa, where are people getting Liara dies?  Not the case at all.  She has plot armor according to Tank and can't die until the very, very end if you bring her as part of the Hammer squad and are unprepared.

She is stuck on the ship regardless.

Actually, if there is a way for her to die with Shepard there with her, I will bit the bullet and do it. Better than just having her vanish forever. At least there's some closure.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 01 mars 2012 - 01:47 .

[panamakira]

I think we'll have to admit defeat guys. I don't think there is anything we can do but accept these endings. It doesn't make it disappoint any less however.

[Quartof]

It isn't that the endings are "non-standard" it's that the endings really just aren't that good. At all. One goes against the rules the science of the setting has set up. One blows the relays up for apparently no reason, and the other would have actually made sense for such a depressing ending, if the other endings weren't exactly like it.

Also it doesn't really motivate me to get all of those resources if the galaxy still ends up screwed. For a game about choices the ending has a shocking lack of difference in its endings.

Modifié par Quartof, 01 mars 2012 - 01:49 .

[Darkstarr11]

Why do I feel like this is all one big part of some social experiment? That the reactions here are simply being used at data to figure out how to move to the next item of business? That's just me.

I'm waiting until I view it to make my judgements. I don't trust second hand information very much...and I'm rather easy to please. It's either that, or I'm still wonky from my flu meds. Take your pick. I will say that...the crew sitch leaves me...troubled. Again, wait and see...and crossing fingers.

Who knows? What if there is a day one patch, or DLC they don't mention that clears it all up?

[Olueq]

What is the point of preparing for the final attack when all the endings are so similar? If not almost the same.

[Tietj]

Hyrist wrote...

So many people overreacting.

Is getting your hollywood ending so important to you? Can't there finally be a game with a non-standard set of endings that actually has impact and weight instead of "Choose this ending to win?"

As I said in the Tali Thread:

People, particularly the young, seem to be too focused on what matters just for them personally. "I want my shep to be with my LI." "I want to have full choice in my ending". All the complaints seem to be about Shepard and the crew, and wanting a good ending specifically for them.

But I don't think the story has ever really been about that. Sure, the stories are about these people and the journey they took. But the goal they worked for, sacraficed for, has never, ever been about them. It's bigger than them, much bigger about them.

Tali once said: "I don't think life is about what you deserve."

Sure, Shep, Tali, whatever LI's and the Crew deserved a better ending. But the story was never about that. It was about what the future they worked toward, not just for themselves, but for everyone. What they left behind for posterity.

That's not really true; the story has always been about the characters, at least 50%.  And for the record, have you played a video game lately?  We are not "finally" getting a game with a dark or non-standard ending; there are plenty of examples of games all the way back to FFX and Ico and stretching until the current gen with Red Dead Redemption and FFXIII-2 that have sad endings that worked (to be fair I haven't played FFXIII-2 so I'm not sure it works in the context of the story).  In Mass Effect, it has always been about going up against suicidal odds and, if the player has prepared enough, surviving.  Mass Effect is the gaming equivalent of a Seagal movie (only it doesn't suck).  There are certain times when a sad ending is appropriate, I don't think this series is one of them.

[cerberus1701]

154 pages of, "OMFG, the game didn't gimmie an ending where it rains happy and everyone gets a free puppy."

Can we hit 200?

[crimzontearz]

I can't watch that interview either....it just reeks of BS to me right now

[Capeo]

Hyrist wrote...

So many people overreacting.

Is getting your hollywood ending so important to you? Can't there finally be a game with a non-standard set of endings that actually has impact and weight instead of "Choose this ending to win?"

As I said in the Tali Thread:

People, particularly the young, seem to be too focused on what matters just for them personally. "I want my shep to be with my LI." "I want to have full choice in my ending". All the complaints seem to be about Shepard and the crew, and wanting a good ending specifically for them.

But I don't think the story has ever really been about that. Sure, the stories are about these people and the journey they took. But the goal they worked for, sacraficed for, has never, ever been about them. It's bigger than them, much bigger about them.

Tali once said: "I don't think life is about what you deserve."

Sure, Shep, Tali, whatever LI's and the Crew deserved a better ending. But the story was never about that. It was about what the future they worked toward, not just for themselves, but for everyone. What they left behind for posterity.

Please.  The "ultimate sacrifice" ending is a tired as any other and certianly not non-standard.  BW gave us 7 endings that vary so little it's ridiculous.  That's the problem.

[Unit-Alpha]

Olueq wrote...

What is the point of preparing for the final attack when all the endings are so similar? If not almost the same.

There isn't one, really. That's the problem. You can just rush through it, and the ending will be nearly identical to those who did every single thing right.

[AlphaJarmel]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The resources of a galaxy that still has FTL travel. Salvage the ruins of past civilization, explore the other 99% of the galaxy.

 

FTL speed is still not that fast in the ME universe.  You're talking decades just to communicate let alone trying to salvage some sort of government.  Then you have people starving to death who are trapped on colonies or worlds where they depend on trade.  That's assuming there aren't any riots due to lack of government and supplies.

  
The ones who won the war.

 

You mean the ones who weren't wiped out when the Reapers went on their mass genocide spree and who are now spread all over the galaxy?  Or the ones who now are cut off from their colleagues and can't work together?

  The infrastructure that won the war by producing the fleets, armies, and macguffin. 

 
The one currently trapped on Earth(assuming it didn't explode)?  The one where literally alot of the aliens are going to die due to starvation? 

Not really.

Most of the galaxy is wiped.  Alot of the major colonies took huge hits and the homeplanets are going to take centuries just to clean up.  Thessia and Palaven are wrecks.

humes spork wrote...

AlphaJarmel wrote...

With what resources?  With what scientists?  With what infrastructure?  Everything is wrecked.

...so anyone answer the question about what in the galaxy the Batarians are doing during ME3 yet?

Because, I'd bet piles of money that after Shepard blew up one of their mass relays and slaughtered a few hundred thousand batarians for no perceptible (to them) reason at all, then not long after all their mass relays spontaneously blow up for no perceptible (to them) reason at all. They've gotta be cheesed off something awful, and...they haven't exactly used up all their everything like the Citadel races have.

 

The Batarians are an endangered species now since they were the first to be hit by the Reapers.

Modifié par AlphaJarmel, 01 mars 2012 - 01:51 .