One of my friends recently finished it and the only way he can make sense of it is that it's some variety of Jacob's Ladder thing...
Me, I've just given up trying to make sense of it and view as the abrupt sudden loss of inspiration that it is.
So we can't get the ending we want after all?
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#39852
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 01:19
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Prudii Aden wrote...
One of my friends recently finished it and the only way he can make sense of it is that it's some variety of Jacob's Ladder thing...
Me, I've just given up trying to make sense of it and view as the abrupt sudden loss of inspiration that it is.
Noone can say for sure only Bioware has the answers.
But one thing is for sure they got a massive ****storm to clean up and it is their own fault
#39853
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 01:20
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@naes - the latest bits. The PR post is worth reading.
baronkohinar wrote...
TODAY'S NEWS FOR EVERYONE JUST CHECKING IN:
Casey Hudson's latest statement here:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/324/index/10089946
BioWare's New Resulting Feedback Thread here:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10098213/1
New User-Created Poll For Feedback:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10071250
MUST READ: Expert Analysis of BioWare's PR Strategy:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10084349/1
#39854
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 01:22
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Just to remind anyone new coming to this thread or to someone who has been holding the line for awhile now, I just want to remind you of some of the reasons why we are fighting. We are resisting because this ending had huge plot holes, character flips, and leaps of logic such as:
1. In Mass Effect one, the Citadel was just a giant Mass Relay designed to be a trap. It required signaling by the Reapers to activate, the Protheans altered its code to stop the signal acceptance, and the Reaper Sovereign had to try and manually override to activate it. If he is the number one Reaper Boss, why couldn't he fix what the Protheans did to him? Why does he need a Reaper at all to send him a signal?
2. Mass Relay explosion = a star going nova according to Arrival. Also evidenced by Joker running away from a massive blast wave(unsuccessfully) that broke the Normandy when it made contact with it travelling at FTL speed. So didn't we just destroy every major civilization in the galaxy including our own?
3. Speaking blowing up the relays, even if they didn't completely go supernova, didn't I just strand every fleet in the galaxy in our solar system and since they can't eat the same kind of food and thereby am committing starvation genocide?
There are more, of course, but I just wanted a reminder. Oh and if you need help with the ending, you could just replace it with this one, esp if you like Anime.
Anime version of ME3 ending:
1. In Mass Effect one, the Citadel was just a giant Mass Relay designed to be a trap. It required signaling by the Reapers to activate, the Protheans altered its code to stop the signal acceptance, and the Reaper Sovereign had to try and manually override to activate it. If he is the number one Reaper Boss, why couldn't he fix what the Protheans did to him? Why does he need a Reaper at all to send him a signal?
2. Mass Relay explosion = a star going nova according to Arrival. Also evidenced by Joker running away from a massive blast wave(unsuccessfully) that broke the Normandy when it made contact with it travelling at FTL speed. So didn't we just destroy every major civilization in the galaxy including our own?
3. Speaking blowing up the relays, even if they didn't completely go supernova, didn't I just strand every fleet in the galaxy in our solar system and since they can't eat the same kind of food and thereby am committing starvation genocide?
There are more, of course, but I just wanted a reminder. Oh and if you need help with the ending, you could just replace it with this one, esp if you like Anime.
Anime version of ME3 ending:
#39855
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 01:23
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Prudii Aden wrote...
@naes - the latest bits. The PR post is worth reading.baronkohinar wrote...
TODAY'S NEWS FOR EVERYONE JUST CHECKING IN:
Casey Hudson's latest statement here:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/324/index/10089946
BioWare's New Resulting Feedback Thread here:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10098213/1
New User-Created Poll For Feedback:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10071250
MUST READ: Expert Analysis of BioWare's PR Strategy:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10084349/1
I'll take a look
#39856
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 01:25
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nupfi wrote...
Just saw this picture in another thread: *snip*
http://media.giantbo...31884897290.png
I don't know. I'd take that with a pinch of salt.
#39857
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 01:26
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I bought all three of the Mass Effect games on the ME3 release day. Finished the third one a few days ago and I've been watching this thread ever since.
I don't have 4.5 years of memories of playing the games like a lot of you. But I've been gaming for 25 years steady now and I can safely say that no other game has emersed me as much as these games. I love the characters, the universe, the stories.
But you all know where this is going.
When I got to the end I stood up and walked away from my computer for a few minutes while Shepherd swayed drunkenly looking at three ridiculous options. I sat down and realized that I had just spent a lot of money to be trolled by the same developer that had made Baldur's Gate.
This happened to me last year when I bought Deus Ex: HR on release day. Guess what I'm NEVER going do again?
I was a bit more forgiving with Deus Ex because it clearly belongs in the cyberpunk genre of stories, albiet a poor example of one. Cyberpunk stories often end dismally and Jensen was a very flat character, so I moved on.
The Thing is one of my favorite movies ever. It has an abysmal ending, but that's what happens in survivor horror stories more often than not.
Mass Effect is clearly a Space Opera. ME3's ending does not fit. Period. This is how TV shows end when they run out of money/get cancelled, like Firefly and Farscape. Luckily, they managed to finish their stories outside of the original medium. (Firefly got a motion picture and Farscape got a short mini series).
Bioware knew this was going to be the last installment of Mass Effect when they started developing ME3. They clearly delivered in tying up loose ends like the Genophage, Rannoch and the Geth, etc. In each case Shepherd was rushing off to do 20 other imperative quests and there was no time to savor the victory or see it's rewards.
It's kinda like biting into a candybar but not being able to taste it.
The reason you press on is because you know you will reap the rewards at the end of the game. Or not. In this case you do not for some reason.
Here's my interpretation of what happened, cause I find it hard to believe that EA cut the purse strings and Bioware hadn't thought of an ending and needed to scramble to finish the story.
The people who wrote this ending thought that a great series needs an even greater ending. A last hoorah. A great big explaination point in the sky. A great feat of intellect that would leave the gaming world in awe. True art must be dire and not give you a happy ending like in a blockbuster film or a romance novel, right?
It's an ending that makes no sense, but it has to make sense! It's like incoherant psychedelic poetry. Everyone makes some sort of sense from those lyrics man.
It's vague, it has symbolism, there are spectral god-children, gigantic decisions with gigantic consequences. Is Shepherd really seeing this or is it all an illusion? Am I really seeing this crap???
The problem with this ending is that we've been taken from a hard and persistent reality into a dream sequence and then left out to dry. We've been taken from one genre of story telling into another one at the last possible moment. Unfortunately it is a genre that has ambiguous, empty endings, not concrete and absolute ones like we've known we would get.
It doesn't fit.
When people choose to watch a movie, tv show, read a book, play a game, they sample it before hand so they know what it's all about, but they generally don't want to know the ending. That's because it's the best part.
They don't buy a fantasy book that ends as a western, or a thriller that ends as a collection of sonnets. (maybe some do, but they don't count).
If I want to read something bleak and intellectual I'll read some Kafka or Sartre.
Bioware, you're not good at pretending to be high brow intellects. You are amazing at telling a good space opera though. Fix this! Your potential sales for these three games just took a massive nosedive because this is stuff that actually matters to people who play this type of story driven game!
In ME3 the best part has been replaced with crap and EVERYBODY knows it. It is within Bioware's means to fix it. I really think it would be unethical to just leave things as they stand. Legally they can do what they want, but this is a moral matter. They had to have know this outcry would happen.
I don't have 4.5 years of memories of playing the games like a lot of you. But I've been gaming for 25 years steady now and I can safely say that no other game has emersed me as much as these games. I love the characters, the universe, the stories.
But you all know where this is going.
When I got to the end I stood up and walked away from my computer for a few minutes while Shepherd swayed drunkenly looking at three ridiculous options. I sat down and realized that I had just spent a lot of money to be trolled by the same developer that had made Baldur's Gate.
This happened to me last year when I bought Deus Ex: HR on release day. Guess what I'm NEVER going do again?
I was a bit more forgiving with Deus Ex because it clearly belongs in the cyberpunk genre of stories, albiet a poor example of one. Cyberpunk stories often end dismally and Jensen was a very flat character, so I moved on.
The Thing is one of my favorite movies ever. It has an abysmal ending, but that's what happens in survivor horror stories more often than not.
Mass Effect is clearly a Space Opera. ME3's ending does not fit. Period. This is how TV shows end when they run out of money/get cancelled, like Firefly and Farscape. Luckily, they managed to finish their stories outside of the original medium. (Firefly got a motion picture and Farscape got a short mini series).
Bioware knew this was going to be the last installment of Mass Effect when they started developing ME3. They clearly delivered in tying up loose ends like the Genophage, Rannoch and the Geth, etc. In each case Shepherd was rushing off to do 20 other imperative quests and there was no time to savor the victory or see it's rewards.
It's kinda like biting into a candybar but not being able to taste it.
The reason you press on is because you know you will reap the rewards at the end of the game. Or not. In this case you do not for some reason.
Here's my interpretation of what happened, cause I find it hard to believe that EA cut the purse strings and Bioware hadn't thought of an ending and needed to scramble to finish the story.
The people who wrote this ending thought that a great series needs an even greater ending. A last hoorah. A great big explaination point in the sky. A great feat of intellect that would leave the gaming world in awe. True art must be dire and not give you a happy ending like in a blockbuster film or a romance novel, right?
It's an ending that makes no sense, but it has to make sense! It's like incoherant psychedelic poetry. Everyone makes some sort of sense from those lyrics man.
It's vague, it has symbolism, there are spectral god-children, gigantic decisions with gigantic consequences. Is Shepherd really seeing this or is it all an illusion? Am I really seeing this crap???
The problem with this ending is that we've been taken from a hard and persistent reality into a dream sequence and then left out to dry. We've been taken from one genre of story telling into another one at the last possible moment. Unfortunately it is a genre that has ambiguous, empty endings, not concrete and absolute ones like we've known we would get.
It doesn't fit.
When people choose to watch a movie, tv show, read a book, play a game, they sample it before hand so they know what it's all about, but they generally don't want to know the ending. That's because it's the best part.
They don't buy a fantasy book that ends as a western, or a thriller that ends as a collection of sonnets. (maybe some do, but they don't count).
If I want to read something bleak and intellectual I'll read some Kafka or Sartre.
Bioware, you're not good at pretending to be high brow intellects. You are amazing at telling a good space opera though. Fix this! Your potential sales for these three games just took a massive nosedive because this is stuff that actually matters to people who play this type of story driven game!
In ME3 the best part has been replaced with crap and EVERYBODY knows it. It is within Bioware's means to fix it. I really think it would be unethical to just leave things as they stand. Legally they can do what they want, but this is a moral matter. They had to have know this outcry would happen.
Modifié par DrFrankenseuss, 17 mars 2012 - 01:27 .
#39858
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 01:27
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Reporting in and will keep an eye on the thread througout the day.
#39859
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 01:27
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Guys, I want to confess something to you:
When I first read the letter from Mr. Hudson I felt that we lost, but after reading talking to my friends at Femshep, my boyfriend, and reading your comments I realized this was just a test. I was always taught how in life there's always a brick of wall, and istead of going over it we go around it. These kind of resistance is expected and as human beings is in our nature to over cone this.
Don't give up, if you love ME so much then fight for it, just the same way you'd fight for your loved ones and more importantly...youself.
I will finish this with a quote from our beloved turian.
"Go out there and give them hell, you were born to do this"
Hold the line!!
When I first read the letter from Mr. Hudson I felt that we lost, but after reading talking to my friends at Femshep, my boyfriend, and reading your comments I realized this was just a test. I was always taught how in life there's always a brick of wall, and istead of going over it we go around it. These kind of resistance is expected and as human beings is in our nature to over cone this.
Don't give up, if you love ME so much then fight for it, just the same way you'd fight for your loved ones and more importantly...youself.
I will finish this with a quote from our beloved turian.
"Go out there and give them hell, you were born to do this"
Hold the line!!
#39860
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 01:28
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Well said.VonVerrikan wrote...
Words can't express how proud I feel to have seen everyone here accomplish so much in so little time. It's amazing! I've never seen fans throw aside hatreds and bias in an effort to come together and fight for a common goal. It looks like we're set to do the impossible, much like Shepard.
#39861
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 01:28
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Conspicuous Cake wrote...
nupfi wrote...
Just saw this picture in another thread: *snip*
http://media.giantbo...31884897290.png
I don't know. I'd take that with a pinch of salt.
Agreed. Take hope where you can. And if this really helps you then that's all well and good. But do not let up or backdown until they give you an answer. Yes or no. If you just let them ignore you we'll definitely see nothing.
#39862
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 01:30
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Well, it's St Patrick's Day, albeit 830am
This means I'm holding both a beer, and the line...
This means I'm holding both a beer, and the line...
#39864
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 01:33
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I know it's weekend, but we could really use 2-3 articles today and tomorrow each to keep the pressure up really high. They want to wait as long as possible, but they'll never be able to wait three-four weeks when flooded with news.
#39865
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 01:33
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Prudii Aden wrote...
@naes - the latest bits. The PR post is worth reading.baronkohinar wrote...
TODAY'S NEWS FOR EVERYONE JUST CHECKING IN:
Casey Hudson's latest statement here:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/324/index/10089946
BioWare's New Resulting Feedback Thread here:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10098213/1
New User-Created Poll For Feedback:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10071250
MUST READ: Expert Analysis of BioWare's PR Strategy:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10084349/1
Ehm?
From social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/324/index/10089946
"we wanted to give players the chance to experience an inspiring and uplifting ending"
Did I play the same version of ME3 as Casey did?
#39867
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 01:34
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Man almost 1600 pages and we're still going strong. What an honor it has been to serve with you all and you know what?, we're just getting started. So continue holding the line continue standing strong continue being united as a group of not just gamers but for all who care so much about Mass Effect that they will to take a stand to fight for it.
We are many
We are strong
We are legendary
We hold the line
We are many
We are strong
We are legendary
We hold the line
Modifié par Bionic Weapon, 17 mars 2012 - 01:35 .
#39868
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 01:34
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This has probably already been shared, but what the hell:
http://pixelatedgeek...aws-of-victory/
Holding the line.
http://pixelatedgeek...aws-of-victory/
Holding the line.
#39869
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 01:34
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[quote]Tyrsah wrote...
If some of you wouldn't mind, I'd deeply appreciate some feed back on the letter I've written for Bioware before I send it off. I did my best to keep it short and to the point while staying respectful. Let me know how I did. Thank you.
https://docs.google....jTaGvJy2D8/edit
If you don't want to clog up this thread with feedback feel free to PM me.[/quote]
[/quote]
It's a good letter, yep! It sums pretty well what most of us are feeling.
Just watch out for them typos.
And it's Shepard, not Shepherd. Or is it really Shepherd? I could always be wrong. ._.
If some of you wouldn't mind, I'd deeply appreciate some feed back on the letter I've written for Bioware before I send it off. I did my best to keep it short and to the point while staying respectful. Let me know how I did. Thank you.
https://docs.google....jTaGvJy2D8/edit
If you don't want to clog up this thread with feedback feel free to PM me.[/quote]
[/quote]
It's a good letter, yep! It sums pretty well what most of us are feeling.
Just watch out for them typos.
And it's Shepard, not Shepherd. Or is it really Shepherd? I could always be wrong. ._.
#39870
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 01:34
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Just up, any news guys?
SSV Northumberland re-engaging, we will hold the line.
SSV Northumberland re-engaging, we will hold the line.
#39871
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 01:35
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QwibQwib wrote...
Guys, I want to confess something to you:
When I first read the letter from Mr. Hudson I felt that we lost, but after reading talking to my friends at Femshep, my boyfriend, and reading your comments I realized this was just a test. I was always taught how in life there's always a brick of wall, and istead of going over it we go around it. These kind of resistance is expected and as human beings is in our nature to over cone this.
Don't give up, if you love ME so much then fight for it, just the same way you'd fight for your loved ones and more importantly...youself.
I will finish this with a quote from our beloved turian.
"Go out there and give them hell, you were born to do this"
Hold the line!!
"BOLDLY THEY RODE AND WELL, INTO THE JAWS OF DEATH , INTO THE MOUTH OF HELL"
Well said...........Qwib Qwib....what the.....
#39872
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 01:36
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QwibQwib wrote...
Guys, I want to confess something to you:
When I first read the letter from Mr. Hudson I felt that we lost, but after reading talking to my friends at Femshep, my boyfriend, and reading your comments I realized this was just a test. I was always taught how in life there's always a brick of wall, and istead of going over it we go around it. These kind of resistance is expected and as human beings is in our nature to over cone this.
Don't give up, if you love ME so much then fight for it, just the same way you'd fight for your loved ones and more importantly...youself.
I will finish this with a quote from our beloved turian.
"Go out there and give them hell, you were born to do this"
Hold the line!!
We fight for ourselves, and we fight for our Shepards!
Actually, I think we are fighting for the whole Mass Effect universe!
Hold the line!
#39873
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 01:38
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ld1449 wrote...
http://media.desura....ng_the_line.jpg
Yes...
I would rather break the 'deadlock' from orbit...with an Emperor-class battleship (and accompanying escorts)
<--- used to run w/ a 3x Land Raider Crusader list at 1,500 pts.
(would've implemented a 5x Land Raider list for 2k pts., but I quit WH40k when my Iyanden got shafted)
Steady, boys(and girls), steady! Hold the line! For the Emperor!
#39874
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 01:39
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DrFrankenseuss wrote...
I bought all three of the Mass Effect games on the ME3 release day. Finished the third one a few days ago and I've been watching this thread ever since.
I don't have 4.5 years of memories of playing the games like a lot of you. But I've been gaming for 25 years steady now and I can safely say that no other game has emersed me as much as these games. I love the characters, the universe, the stories.
But you all know where this is going.
When I got to the end I stood up and walked away from my computer for a few minutes while Shepherd swayed drunkenly looking at three ridiculous options. I sat down and realized that I had just spent a lot of money to be trolled by the same developer that had made Baldur's Gate.
This happened to me last year when I bought Deus Ex: HR on release day. Guess what I'm NEVER going do again?
I was a bit more forgiving with Deus Ex because it clearly belongs in the cyberpunk genre of stories, albiet a poor example of one. Cyberpunk stories often end dismally and Jensen was a very flat character, so I moved on.
The Thing is one of my favorite movies ever. It has an abysmal ending, but that's what happens in survivor horror stories more often than not.
Mass Effect is clearly a Space Opera. ME3's ending does not fit. Period. This is how TV shows end when they run out of money/get cancelled, like Firefly and Farscape. Luckily, they managed to finish their stories outside of the original medium. (Firefly got a motion picture and Farscape got a short mini series).
Bioware knew this was going to be the last installment of Mass Effect when they started developing ME3. They clearly delivered in tying up loose ends like the Genophage, Rannoch and the Geth, etc. In each case Shepherd was rushing off to do 20 other imperative quests and there was no time to savor the victory or see it's rewards.
It's kinda like biting into a candybar but not being able to taste it.
The reason you press on is because you know you will reap the rewards at the end of the game. Or not. In this case you do not for some reason.
Here's my interpretation of what happened, cause I find it hard to believe that EA cut the purse strings and Bioware hadn't thought of an ending and needed to scramble to finish the story.
The people who wrote this ending thought that a great series needs an even greater ending. A last hoorah. A great big explaination point in the sky. A great feat of intellect that would leave the gaming world in awe. True art must be dire and not give you a happy ending like in a blockbuster film or a romance novel, right?
It's an ending that makes no sense, but it has to make sense! It's like incoherant psychedelic poetry. Everyone makes some sort of sense from those lyrics man.
It's vague, it has symbolism, there are spectral god-children, gigantic decisions with gigantic consequences. Is Shepherd really seeing this or is it all an illusion? Am I really seeing this crap???
The problem with this ending is that we've been taken from a hard and persistent reality into a dream sequence and then left out to dry. We've been taken from one genre of story telling into another one at the last possible moment. Unfortunately it is a genre that has ambiguous, empty endings, not concrete and absolute ones like we've known we would get.
It doesn't fit.
When people choose to watch a movie, tv show, read a book, play a game, they sample it before hand so they know what it's all about, but they generally don't want to know the ending. That's because it's the best part.
They don't buy a fantasy book that ends as a western, or a thriller that ends as a collection of sonnets. (maybe some do, but they don't count).
If I want to read something bleak and intellectual I'll read some Kafka or Sartre.
Bioware, you're not good at pretending to be high brow intellects. You are amazing at telling a good space opera though. Fix this! Your potential sales for these three games just took a massive nosedive because this is stuff that actually matters to people who play this type of story driven game!
In ME3 the best part has been replaced with crap and EVERYBODY knows it. It is within Bioware's means to fix it. I really think it would be unethical to just leave things as they stand. Legally they can do what they want, but this is a moral matter. They had to have know this outcry would happen.
Very well written! I agree completely.
Wearyanna out
#39875
Posté 17 mars 2012 - 01:39
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Jimmie_Rox wrote...
Just up, any news guys?
SSV Northumberland re-engaging, we will hold the line.
Nothing much.
But do take your time to check these out, if you haven't already!
And keep on holding the line!
baronkohinar wrote...
TODAY'S NEWS FOR EVERYONE JUST CHECKING IN:
Casey Hudson's latest statement here:social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/324/index/10089946
BioWare's New Resulting Feedback Thread here:social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10098213/1
New User-Created Poll For Feedback:social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10071250
MUST READ: Expert Analysis of BioWare's PR Strategy:social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10084349/1
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