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humes spork wrote...

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With what resources?  With what scientists?  With what infrastructure?  Everything is wrecked.


...so anyone answer the question about what in the galaxy the Batarians are doing during ME3 yet?

Because, I'd bet piles of money that after Shepard blew up one of their mass relays and slaughtered a few hundred thousand batarians for no perceptible (to them) reason at all, then not long after all their mass relays spontaneously blow up for no perceptible (to them) reason at all. They've gotta be cheesed off something awful, and...they haven't exactly used up all their everything like the Citadel races have.


Didn't the Batarians get reaper stomped?

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Unit-Alpha wrote...

Capeo wrote...

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So Liara dies regardless.... LOL what a slap to the face for the Liara fans.


We will always have LotSB....:(


Whoa, whoa, where are people getting Liara dies?  Not the case at all.  She has plot armor according to Tank and can't die until the very, very end if you bring her as part of the Hammer squad and are unprepared.


She is stuck on the ship regardless.

Actually, if there is a way for her to die with Shepard there with her, I will bit the bullet and do it. Better than just having her vanish forever. At least there's some closure.

I feel the same about Kaidan, actually.  Plus he'll be my LI, so... I'd rather he didn't help propogate the next generation on Planet X.

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CptData wrote...

Pretty much what you said, OP.

In short:


BW told us, the endings won't make everybody happy.
Truth is: the endings will make everybody sad.



And that, fellow fans, is the only truth here. Lets shove that down their throat.


No rainbows and puppydog ending?
Count me in for 2 preorders now... I'm in :wub:.  That's it... I'm in for $160 on this one.

I can't wait!!! I CAN'T WAIT!!!!

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cerberus1701 wrote...

154 pages of, "OMFG, the game didn't gimmie an ending where it rains happy and everyone gets a free puppy."

Can we hit 200?

Which you obviously didn't read, or you wouldn't be thinking that's what everyone wants.

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Hyrist wrote...

So many people overreacting.

Is getting your hollywood ending so important to you? Can't there finally be a game with a non-standard set of endings that actually has impact and weight instead of "Choose this ending to win?"

As I said in the Tali Thread:

People, particularly the young, seem to be too focused on what matters just for them personally. "I want my shep to be with my LI." "I want to have full choice in my ending". All the complaints seem to be about Shepard and the crew, and wanting a good ending specifically for them.

But I don't think the story has ever really been about that. Sure, the stories are about these people and the journey they took. But the goal they worked for, sacraficed for, has never, ever been about them. It's bigger than them, much bigger about them.

Tali once said: "I don't think life is about what you deserve."

Sure, Shep, Tali, whatever LI's and the Crew deserved a better ending. But the story was never about that. It was about what the future they worked toward, not just for themselves, but for everyone. What they left behind for posterity.



That's fine and all, but there is always options, choices.

Like being gay in Mass Effect or being straight. We all have the choice. If we want an ending where, like you say, we don't get what we deserve, that's great, have it. But what about the rest of us. Maybe we love the cliche ending, or maybe after all the time we spent in a fictious world, we would like to be happy at the end of it and resume our standard lives, which most of us don't already get what we deserve.

The deep meaning and story behind what you say is true, but it shouldn't hinder or depress us in a video game made for enjoyment. Some people may enjoy the depression or sad endings, but Mass Effect always gave us a choice.

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Capeo wrote...

Hyrist wrote...

So many people overreacting.

Is getting your hollywood ending so important to you? Can't there finally be a game with a non-standard set of endings that actually has impact and weight instead of "Choose this ending to win?"

As I said in the Tali Thread:

People, particularly the young, seem to be too focused on what matters just for them personally. "I want my shep to be with my LI." "I want to have full choice in my ending". All the complaints seem to be about Shepard and the crew, and wanting a good ending specifically for them.

But I don't think the story has ever really been about that. Sure, the stories are about these people and the journey they took. But the goal they worked for, sacraficed for, has never, ever been about them. It's bigger than them, much bigger about them.

Tali once said: "I don't think life is about what you deserve."

Sure, Shep, Tali, whatever LI's and the Crew deserved a better ending. But the story was never about that. It was about what the future they worked toward, not just for themselves, but for everyone. What they left behind for posterity.


Please.  The "ultimate sacrifice" ending is a tired as any other and certianly not non-standard.  BW gave us 7 endings that vary so little it's ridiculous.  That's the problem.

Indeed. What's the point of different endings if each only differ in two-three different ways from one another? You'd almost be better off with sticking to one ending for everything in that case.
It's not the debbie-downer endings that has most people pissed off, it's the fact that they're so similar. I'd be just as annoyed if all the ending were happy and had very little differences to speak of. If I can't feel like my choices matter, then what's the point of even bothering to make them in the first place?

Modifié par Nyaore, 01 mars 2012 - 01:54 .


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first DA2 then tor now it seems i'll add mass effect 3 to that list. i am most likely never buying another bioware game ever

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Abram730 wrote...

CptData wrote...

Pretty much what you said, OP.

In short:


BW told us, the endings won't make everybody happy.
Truth is: the endings will make everybody sad.



And that, fellow fans, is the only truth here. Lets shove that down their throat.


No rainbows and puppydog ending?
Count me in for 2 preorders now... I'm in :wub:.  That's it... I'm in for $160 on this one.

I can't wait!!! I CAN'T WAIT!!!!

I just don't understand why people are so happy that other people are deprived of something that means a lot to them.  It's a bit sadistic.  And pretentious.  But I'm glad you're happy.

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Tietj wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Capeo wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

kingsims wrote...

So Liara dies regardless.... LOL what a slap to the face for the Liara fans.


We will always have LotSB....:(


Whoa, whoa, where are people getting Liara dies?  Not the case at all.  She has plot armor according to Tank and can't die until the very, very end if you bring her as part of the Hammer squad and are unprepared.


She is stuck on the ship regardless.

Actually, if there is a way for her to die with Shepard there with her, I will bit the bullet and do it. Better than just having her vanish forever. At least there's some closure.

I feel the same about Kaidan, actually.  Plus he'll be my LI, so... I'd rather he didn't help propogate the next generation on Planet X.


Yeah, I mean I adore Liara (I founded the main Liara fan group), but I will let her die if there's some closure to the whole thing and they get some sort of final goodbye.

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Screw it - If I want to spend $90 and be left unsatisfied I'll take my girlfriend to a nice restaurant and have her tell me she's "too tired" afterwards...

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cerberus1701 wrote...

154 pages of, "OMFG, the game didn't gimmie an ending where it rains happy and everyone gets a free puppy."

Can we hit 200?


Gee, you're like the five millionth person to say that same old crap.  Find someone on here who is asking for rainbows and puppies.  You won't and that's why you have no point.  BW promised choice and didn't deliver on it.  You're fine with that?  Good.  That othere people aren't isn't your problem..

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Unit-Alpha wrote...

Olueq wrote...

What is the point of preparing for the final attack when all the endings are so similar? If not almost the same.


There isn't one, really. That's the problem. You can just rush through it, and the ending will be nearly identical to those who did every single thing right.


so Earth destroyed, Shep dying, the crew dying is the same as Earth saved, Shep survives, and the crew survives...whatever.

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Capeo wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

154 pages of, "OMFG, the game didn't gimmie an ending where it rains happy and everyone gets a free puppy."

Can we hit 200?


Gee, you're like the five millionth person to say that same old crap.  Find someone on here who is asking for rainbows and puppies.  You won't and that's why you have no point.  BW promised choice and didn't deliver on it.  You're fine with that?  Good.  That othere people aren't isn't your problem..


People don't understand the concept of 'strawman'.

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No, you're listing games without choice as refrence.

This is about making you choose the bad end. Making you personally, with your own mind, figure out your ending fate, and none of them being good.

You can't evade FFXIII-2's or RDR's endings, but you also can't really choose HOW you meet those endings either.

Here, you do. The consequence of that is much deeper. Here, you pick which dark fate holds the most hope. The superior level of impact can easily be measured by the rampaging negativity here - people don't want to choose a bad end. They would rather it be out of their hands. As much as I would like to get a 'happy-ish ending' from Bioware like anyone else. I have to give Kudos to Bioware for that.

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Capeo wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

kingsims wrote...

So Liara dies regardless.... LOL what a slap to the face for the Liara fans.


We will always have LotSB....:(


Whoa, whoa, where are people getting Liara dies?  Not the case at all.  She has plot armor according to Tank and can't die until the very, very end if you bring her as part of the Hammer squad and are unprepared.

I intially misread and forgot that supposedly the Normandy crew colonize. My apologies.

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Unit-Alpha wrote...

Tietj wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Capeo wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

kingsims wrote...

So Liara dies regardless.... LOL what a slap to the face for the Liara fans.


We will always have LotSB....:(


Whoa, whoa, where are people getting Liara dies?  Not the case at all.  She has plot armor according to Tank and can't die until the very, very end if you bring her as part of the Hammer squad and are unprepared.


She is stuck on the ship regardless.

Actually, if there is a way for her to die with Shepard there with her, I will bit the bullet and do it. Better than just having her vanish forever. At least there's some closure.

I feel the same about Kaidan, actually.  Plus he'll be my LI, so... I'd rather he didn't help propogate the next generation on Planet X.


Yeah, I mean I adore Liara (I founded the main Liara fan group), but I will let her die if there's some closure to the whole thing and they get some sort of final goodbye.


I might have to do the same. 

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In all honesty, I wouldn't mind the endings at all if we had the option for a "happy" endings. This is a game series that's all about player choices and decisions, so give us the choice Bioware.

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txgoldrush wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Olueq wrote...

What is the point of preparing for the final attack when all the endings are so similar? If not almost the same.


There isn't one, really. That's the problem. You can just rush through it, and the ending will be nearly identical to those who did every single thing right.


so Earth destroyed, Shep dying, the crew dying is the same as Earth saved, Shep survives, and the crew survives...whatever.


Oh please, if you think the outcome of a few videos make the endings so much different, then you'd love DE:HR's ending.

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Ok posting this here since I can't start a new thread. I apologize for the wall of text but I want my feelings to be known about this and this is the best way I can express them:

Dear Bioware,

I'm writing this as a final plea to your company on the endings of Mass Effect 3. I have been a fan since the beginning of the series. When I played Mass Effect the first time, I felt like a new world of gaming was opened up to me. A world so different than the games I had played before. I immediately began playing games made by your company before Mass Effect. I could not get enough of your games and this idea that it wasn't just about the hero, but the supporting characters. I played your games over and over. It was an experience that I had never received in a game.

Which brings me to Mass Effect 3. My excitement for a game has never been higher. I have been following the marketing behind this game since it was announced in 2010. I encouraged friends and family to get the game so they could experience it the same way I have. My plan was to originally avoid all spoilers but I accidentally got spoiled in another thread. I read what would happen and I have to say, I feel completely heartbroken and disappointed.

First to explain my disappointment, I need to explain what I feel is the foundation of Mass Effect, the relationship between Shepard and the Normandy. In the first scene of Mass Effect we are greeted with a narrative of her accomplishments and past. We see her on the Normandy staring into space, so our first experience with Shepard is directly connected to the Normandy. From there, Shepard walks through the ship, greeting her fellow crew as she goes to meet Joker at the helm. From this point forward, everything Shepard does can be traced back the Normandy and her shipmates.

In Mass Effect, after Shepard becomes a Specter, the first thing Udina says is that Shepard will need a ship and crew. From this point, Shepard is given the Normandy and a crew familiar with her. Joker reminds Shepard that they are behind her 100% and that they are her arm and weapon under any circumstances. As Shepard searches the galaxy for Saren, she is never alone. Two squadmates are with her at all times, there to advise and fight by her side. Shepard soon finds herself on Virmire and is forced with the choice of giving up a crewmember. The choice is hard because this person isn't just a face on a screen but a character with opinions and emotions that has followed Shepard on this whole adventure without question. Afterwards, back on the Citadel, the council does not just ground Shepard but also the Normandy. Shepard never considers escaping on another ship though because the Normandy is where her strength lies. Shepard needs a ship that moves through the terminus system undetected and a crew willing to face treason and disgrace to follow Shepard to the end. With the Normandy and Shepard's squadmates, she is able to defeat Sovereign and Saren to stop the Reapers from destroying the Citadel.

In Mass Effect 2, the story begins once again on the Normandy. But the first shot is not of Shepard but the crew of the Normandy. As the camera scans up to Joker, Shepard is nowhere near as they are attacked by the Collectors. As crewmembers evacuate we see a squadmate (Liara, Kaidan, or Ashley) race to Shepard's side. Shepard orders them to leave despite their willingness to go down with ship with her. Shepard then heads up to retrieve Joker only to see that his attachment to the ship is so great that he originally refuses to leave. When Shepard helps Joker onto the Escape Pod, she is caught and stranded on the broken Normandy. But what makes the shot so powerful is not just Shepard's death but the pan back to see the Normandy utterly annihilated. Shepard and her ship go down together, united even in death.

When Shepard is rebuilt so is the Normandy. When Shepard talks to the Illusive Man for the first time, she tells him that she needs a ship and a really good team. There is no lone wolf, it is still about Shepard's connection to the Normandy and crew. The rest of the game, Shepard works on building a new team while trying to stop the Collectors. If Shepard is not able to build this team then she is powerless to stop the Collectors. When Shepard's crew is taken it forces her to make a choice about their safety and the safety of the galaxy if she is not prepared. Shepard and the Normandy travel through the Omega 4 relay and at the base, the team must work together to defeat the Collectors. There is no Shepard doing it all and saving the day, it's the Normandy and the supporting characters that make her strong. With their help, she is able to survive the suicide mission and take one more step in stopping the Reapers.

Finally, we come to Mass Effect 3. Even in the beginning, Shepard mentions not just grounding her but also taking away her ship. The first thing Shepard and Anderson plan to do is get to the Normandy after the Reapers attack. Cause once again Shepard is nothing without the Normandy. However, while everything follows the same pattern as before when we reach the end, everything is completely contradicted. Shepard goes alone to make the final decision to stop the Reapers. The key moment of the series is done without squadmates or the Normandy. In fact, the Normandy is nowhere near Shepard at the time.

Let me ask, after everything the Normandy and Shepard have been through, why would Shepard be left alone in this moment? Why would the crew even consider letting Shepard go it alone? What always made Shepard special wasn't she was a badass marine taking down the reapers with a shotgun in hand and a grenade launcher in the other. Shepard was never Master Chief, traveling around with faceless marines and jumping from ship to ship. Shepard was never Samus Aran taking out legions of enemies on her own. Shepard was never Kratos carrying the burden of revenge and salvation all on his shoulders. Shepard was the Normandy and the Normandy was Shepard. Separating Shepard from the Normandy, is like separating her right side from her left.

That's why I've written this letter pleading for a change. I know the game has gone gold but there is a way to change this whether it be by patch or DLC. Shepard's story is ending and so is the Normandy's. But for them to be forever separated breaks the whole lore and foundation behind Mass Effect. Shepard is not a folk hero, she is not the most powerful being in the universe. She is simply a leader who believed in what she was doing and had great determination to get the job done. Shepard succeeded because of the Normandy and without the Normandy she is nothing.

All I'm asking is one ending with Shepard and the Normandy together for the last time. Whether that be dying together or crashing on a remote planet in the middle of nowhere. Please. I have followed this series since the beginning and I have supported you through thick and thin, but I cannot support you any longer if you ruin the series that brought me to you in the first place. I honestly don't care if you make another ending canon for other Mass Effect games. I don't care if it's a five minute cutscene with no dialogue.

I formally request one ending via DLC or patch that ends with the Normandy and Shepard together, just as it began.

Thank you for your time,
Jen aka Yoshibb

TL;DR: I want the Normandy to be together again as it was in the beginning and how its been throughout the story in the end. The letter expresses my reasoning behind it and just asks for a patch or DLC with this ending.

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AlphaJarmel wrote...

People don't understand the concept of 'strawman'.


It's more like they can only think in terms of 'strawmen'.

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Tietj wrote...
I just don't understand why people are so happy that other people are deprived of something that means a lot to them.  It's a bit sadistic.  And pretentious.  But I'm glad you're happy.


Short answer? Humans are jerks.^^

...funny thing that WE always are the "special" ones that have to save the galaxy. ;-)

Modifié par WarBaby2, 01 mars 2012 - 01:56 .


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eezo is not destroyed, just the means to use it in tech.  Since all reaper tech dies, it must have a special way to make eezo work.  IF that is the case (big IF) then we would need a new way to generate the same effect as reaper eezo tech.  This could take many generations.  Then if you did finally generate the eezo replacement component you would need to then build the mothership and the relays and send them out - taking even more generations (unless you blind jump from relay Prime).  So figure thousands of years at least (hundreds just to ftl to a new system in order to plant a gate).


Yeah but that's the thing. How to make eezo do its thing isn't exactly Super Double Secret Reaper-Only Technology. You just run an electrical current through eezo, the codex is as clear as day on that one. A "positive" current creates a mass effect field that increases relative mass of objects inside the field and a "negative" current does the opposite.

So, it really makes no sense to say it destroys "all eezo tech", just "all Reaper tech". Stuff the organic races made on their own should be just fine, unless Bioware pulls handwavium out their bottom and says "all eezo-based tech is Reaper tech" which like I just said, makes absolutely no sense.

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Hyrist wrote...

So many people overreacting.

Is getting your hollywood ending so important to you? Can't there finally be a game with a non-standard set of endings that actually has impact and weight instead of "Choose this ending to win?"

As I said in the Tali Thread:

People, particularly the young, seem to be too focused on what matters just for them personally. "I want my shep to be with my LI." "I want to have full choice in my ending". All the complaints seem to be about Shepard and the crew, and wanting a good ending specifically for them.

But I don't think the story has ever really been about that. Sure, the stories are about these people and the journey they took. But the goal they worked for, sacraficed for, has never, ever been about them. It's bigger than them, much bigger about them.

Tali once said: "I don't think life is about what you deserve."

Sure, Shep, Tali, whatever LI's and the Crew deserved a better ending. But the story was never about that. It was about what the future they worked toward, not just for themselves, but for everyone. What they left behind for posterity.

Thing is, endings are predictable. Yeah, we saved the Reapers, woo hoo. We already knew Shepard was going to destroy the Reapers, but we didn't know what could happen to Earth and our crew. 

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The Stalker endings are awesome, the good ending leaves you saying did Strelok die? Is the zone really gone? was it all a dream? Is Strelok the wish granter? Is he hallucinating from blowing up all those tubes? etc. Its not hard to create good endings with a bit of imagination.

That is a good ending. Its very happy ending but its open to interpretation. I can see why people want happy endings and I am not against it (IT SHOULD BE A REWARD)

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yoshibb wrote...

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TL;DR: I want the Normandy to be together again as it was in the beginning and how its been throughout the story in the end. The letter expresses my reasoning behind it and just asks for a patch or DLC with this ending.


You are so right, and of course Bioware shut you down for putting it out there. They are in full-on damage control now.