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[Roll Equals Cute]

The staff should not be punished. They don't choose what goes into the game, the higher-ups do. And before you say something like "Oh but it's their fault for working there," keep in kind most of us would have LOVED a Bioware job up until a bout two weeks ago.

If anything, the ones in charge should feel the consequences, not the programmers/artists/etc.

Modifié par Roll Equals Cute, 17 mars 2012 - 03:54 .

[Benirus]

Cybermortis wrote...

I think it is worth repeating that we should keep things civil and polite.

First, they WANT us to get angry and start raging at them because this weakens our position.

Second to start throwing insults around in VERY unfair to the Bioware staff as a whole. Those BW Staff we have had direct or semi-direct contact with have no influence on if a new ending will be made, nor were they responsible for what we ended up with.

Last of all I, and part of the second point, is that I think we should doff our caps at those BW Staff who have ended up on the front lines, trying to either defend the game or at least ended up trying to do damage control for the mistakes of others. The staff on this board have handled this situation, and us, far far better than we (and quite probably Bioware itself) have given them credit for.
They have only shut this thread down once, and then purely because someone started posting copyrighted images in it - which they removed before opening the thread again. True, some of their 'hands off' approach will have been down to the thread remaining civil - and to a large extent because we have self-moderated to a large degree. But I think we should still thank them for their understanding and the professional and common sense manner with which they have faced the situation.

I have to agree on this, we are doing this to protect Mass Effect from the bad ending not to punish Bioware. They are more than capable of doing that themselves it seems.
Btw, any new articles on our campaign today?

Hold the line!

[Jere85]

Rubmifer wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

I need reinforcements in the Netherlands, taking heavy casualties... squads getting ripped to shreds, 2nd batallion got decimated in minutes, i never should have sent the geth primes to Germany.
65th Alliance division requesting reinforcements! Holding the line for now! Wheres the heavies?!

Belgian fleet sending over reinforcements!

*cheers as ships soar over and bombard the enemy, driving them back. For now... the sound of the men give us hope* Thanks Belgium! Holding the line.

[malra]

Cybermortis wrote...

I think it is worth repeating that we should keep things civil and polite.

First, they WANT us to get angry and start raging at them because this weakens our position.

Second to start throwing insults around in VERY unfair to the Bioware staff as a whole. Those BW Staff we have had direct or semi-direct contact with have no influence on if a new ending will be made, nor were they responsible for what we ended up with.

Last of all I, and part of the second point, is that I think we should doff our caps at those BW Staff who have ended up on the front lines, trying to either defend the game or at least ended up trying to do damage control for the mistakes of others. The staff on this board have handled this situation, and us, far far better than we (and quite probably Bioware itself) have given them credit for.
They have only shut this thread down once, and then purely because someone started posting copyrighted images in it - which they removed before opening the thread again. True, some of their 'hands off' approach will have been down to the thread remaining civil - and to a large extent because we have self-moderated to a large degree. But I think we should still thank them for their understanding and the professional and common sense manner with which they have faced the situation.

great points, salute to you

[Cybermortis]

segurissima wrote...

Would somebody be so kind to tell me how to insert a sig in my profile? I am not a forum expert by any means. Thanks:)

Click 'Add reply', then look at the upper right hand corner of the screen for 'Forum settings'

You then paste the link to your image there between [img ] [/img ] tags (No space between the g and ] )

[Misterdde45000]

Cybermortis wrote...

I think it is worth repeating that we should keep things civil and polite.

This.

But i also think the disapointment ( not sure it exist ^^' ) come from the fact that... ME3 is truely awsome in it's construction, the way it give your thrills while you playing. this alone show that BW devs know their jobs. They are  higly skilled professionnals who know how to make a game. And for this, the end really give the feeling it's been done by... other people. I mean, how can a game be so good an the ending so... whatever it is, i have no word for this.

French fleet still holding the line FTW o/

[Fox544]

TheBull wrote...

Conspicuous Cake wrote...

Rheinlandman wrote...

So does anyone think BW employees should be worried about layoffs?

I mean a flagship product launches and EA stock is the lowest its been since the EA Spouse debacle. Around the BF3 launch window EA stock had a productive trading period, some of that was holiday trading but a large chunk can be attributed to a highly publicized product launch (BF3).

Here we have another highly publicized product launch (comparable if not greater than BF3s) and the stock hiccups and reaches a local low. Normally at this point its time for "cost saving measures", especially when you have all these employees coming off ME3 and moving on to other projects (in my experience transitions are the best time to fire).

Should the BW employees be worrying about their jobs?

I.. don't know.
I hope not.
Sure, we are angry at them for the ending, but we still need them to fix it.
And I, for one, still hold them dear for everything that was and still is great in the Mass Effect series.

Im sorry for the staff "if" anything happens but they brought this on themselves they should have known better,
i mean they wanted to be Controversial and Unforgettable well there you have it

Agreed. I can't feel bad for anyone who threw themselves into the fire. Plus this would actually work to our advantage if EA/Bioware was getting pressured from the inside by its worried employees.

[SickBritKid]

Could someone link the Retake movement's "war assets" page, again? I wanna add my name to the list...

[TerrifiedKiz]

Still holding the line! www.youtube.com/watch
Charity is almost at 58k USD 

[Tychondrus5]

Jere85 wrote...

Guys, not to get all mushy... but im damn proud to be part of the line, and damn proud so many people are holding the line, it brings tears to the eyes really, we deserve more, if it were just me, BW would have never noticed. Now we have a shot, because WE WILL HOLD THE LINE!

I stand beside you brother!

HOLD THE LINE

[confuciusFinn]

Left my two cents on the ending criticisms thread by jessica. Going to sign off and continue Patties Day. I am proud and amazed at the strength and solidarity of y'all holding the line. This is quite an impressive protest and I feel honored to be a part of it.

Hold the line!

And never forget Marauder Shields!

[darthoptimus003]

if someone would just say that we screwed up and we will fix it would quite the masses alittle and for some of us thats the problem bw is dancing around the answer to all of us who hate the ending if they will fix it or not hopefully the will
hold the line

[malra]

darthoptimus003 wrote...

if someone would just say that we screwed up and we will fix it would quite the masses alittle and for some of us thats the problem bw is dancing around the answer to all of us who hate the ending if they will fix it or not hopefully the will
hold the line

hard for a big company to admit, look at what happened to Netflix, they admitted mistake and people still raked them over the coals.

[Denethar]

Conspicuous Cake wrote...

Rheinlandman wrote...

So does anyone think BW employees should be worried about layoffs?

I mean a flagship product launches and EA stock is the lowest its been since the EA Spouse debacle. Around the BF3 launch window EA stock had a productive trading period, some of that was holiday trading but a large chunk can be attributed to a highly publicized product launch (BF3).

Here we have another highly publicized product launch (comparable if not greater than BF3s) and the stock hiccups and reaches a local low. Normally at this point its time for "cost saving measures", especially when you have all these employees coming off ME3 and moving on to other projects (in my experience transitions are the best time to fire).

Should the BW employees be worrying about their jobs?

I.. don't know.
I hope not.
Sure, we are angry at them for the ending, but we still need them to fix it.
And I, for one, still hold them dear for everything that was and still is great in the Mass Effect series.

Doubt it, would be a very short term option that makes no sense considering we're in mid March at the moment.

[Fulgrim88]

Black359 wrote...

First one thing, sorry for mistakes in the text, I am not an Englishman but I really want to express an opinion on the matter.

I will not discuss how I was entertained extremely well throughout the series and 99% of ME3 and how this ending completely ruined. Those posts here I think is enough. But I want to appeal to Bioware, but also the fans, there is still time to correct the errors.

If things are dealt with proper communication, there is still possibility to save the series with the fanbase.

Imagine if Bioware announced on Monday, something like this:

"We at Bioware realize the frustration regarding the ending. Our intention was to have a unique game ending. Ending of which will be discussed for a long time. We did not expect it to end like this.
Bioware is known for its huge fanbase and because we would not like to lose it, we decided to do something with it.
In the future you can expect new DLC Ending. There are many excellent ideas on this site but also all around that we can use.
Right now we can not specify when the DLC comes out or details about it. DLC will probably be paid like any other DLC. "

Ok, BioWare will present their plans for Ending DLC. Also, it's not free.

What do you do? Really going to stay mad at Bioware after they have just admitted a mistake?
For me, if something like this happened, I am willing to forget the whole thing.
You know, everyone makes mistakes, but not everyone can admit mistakes.
Let's be straight, it is unrealistic to Bioware began to do free ending for everyone. And certainly not with EA behind his back.

95% of posts in the megathread is civilized. So I think that most players are not Rage blinded fans . They are just frustrated and disappointed. Hey BioWare, you seriously think that something like that would be created if your fans were not really loyal? They want only way out of this. They want back good old Bioware.

So if Bioware announced something like this, what do you think happened?

I think that:

Most fans should be happy. Bioware have admitted a mistake. Fanbase can expect new and better ending.
Fanbase = Win.

Bioware is cleaned in the eyes of most Fans. Most fans will remain loyal.
Bioware has earned a reputation that they are willing to admit mistake and do something with it .
Bioware = Win

rEApers get their money for DLC.
rEApers = Win

Agreed.

The only thing that rubs me wrong is paying twice for a finished game, but in the end, I would prefer to pay 10 bucks for a bunch of truly diverse, meaningful endings that end my favorite series in the quality way that it deserves, rather than getting a half assed retcon patching up the worst of it for free

Modifié par Fulgrim88, 17 mars 2012 - 04:06 .

[Trojan_33]

Tyranniac wrote...

Trojan_33 wrote...

Just to remind anyone new coming to this thread or to someone who has been holding the line for awhile now, I just want to remind you of some of the reasons why we are fighting. We are resisting because this ending had huge plot holes, character flips, and leaps of logic such as:

1. In Mass Effect one, the Citadel was just a giant Mass Relay designed to be a trap. It required signaling by the Reapers to activate, the Protheans altered its code to stop the signal acceptance, and the Reaper Sovereign had to try and manually override to activate it. If he is the number one Reaper Boss, why couldn't he fix what the Protheans did to him? Why does he need a Reaper at all to send him a signal?

2. Mass Relay explosion = a star going nova according to Arrival. Also evidenced by Joker running away from a massive blast wave(unsuccessfully) that broke the Normandy when it made contact with it travelling at FTL speed. So didn't we just destroy every major civilization in the galaxy including our own?

3. Speaking blowing up the relays, even if they didn't completely go supernova, didn't I just strand every fleet in the galaxy in our solar system and since they can't eat the same kind of food and thereby am committing starvation genocide?

There are more, of course, but I just wanted a reminder. Oh and if you need help with the ending, you could just replace it with this one, esp if you like Anime.

Anime version of ME3 ending:

Well, not all of us are fighting for that. There are so many other things that I actually consider -more- important:

Shepard shouldn't have to obey to the starchild!
Decisions should influence the ending!
The ending shouldn't leave more questions than answers!
The ending should be satisfying!
Shepard should have a chance for a future!
(Yeah. I want blue babies. There should be the option for a happier ending if one works hard enough. Shepard earned it damn it!)

This is understood, I was giving some details that prevent the ending from being satisfying. There is no closure and questions like these plot holes are soooo easy to spot to anyone who has played ME1 or ME2. It's like they didn't even know their own game when writing the ending. Never mind Shepherd becoming so gd complacent at the end. Personally, I'm holding to the indoctrination theory to hold out hope that (1) Bioware really meant to dupe everyone and are going to release some solid endings or (2) Give Bioware an out to completely re-write the ending using this as an excuse.

[wicked_being]

darthoptimus003 wrote...

if someone would just say that we screwed up and we will fix it would quite the masses alittle and for some of us thats the problem bw is dancing around the answer to all of us who hate the ending if they will fix it or not hopefully the will
hold the line

To be honest, for me they don't even have to apologize. They should just fix it.

[TheBull]

darthoptimus003 wrote...

if someone would just say that we screwed up and we will fix it would quite the masses alittle and for some of us thats the problem bw is dancing around the answer to all of us who hate the ending if they will fix it or not hopefully the will
hold the line

No No it is a test of will who cracks first but We don't give up.......We won't back down.......
STAND STRONG. STAND TOGETHER. WE AIM TO MISBEHAVE.

Modifié par TheBull, 17 mars 2012 - 04:07 .

[Misterdde45000]

i don't know if this had been posteed here, but here it come anyway

http://social.biowar...index/10097827/

Sign it and hold the line

[SpaRR]

confuciusFinn wrote...
And never forget Marauder Shields!

He just add me on Facebook , i'm so proud .

HOLD THE LINE!.

[nitefyre410]

Crossleft wrote...

KaiserinKai wrote...

Alikan wrote...

XTiferethX wrote...

How long do we have to wait to get a simple answer?

april 6th? when they will announce more mp dlc and a weapons pack? <_<

...Yea, good luck selling those Bioware <_<

the <_< face has never been more appropriate...

 

if they did that... then they choose poorly ...

[manoy1987]

Greetings all

I've been lurking these forums for a while now.

When I finished ME3 I was laughing so hard because of the very similar ending to Deus Ex. Made me want to play that game again.

Well I'm just dropping by to tell you all that I'll be holding the line with you guys from the shadows.

/activates Tactical Cloak

[Elanor]

wicked_being wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

if someone would just say that we screwed up and we will fix it would quite the masses alittle and for some of us thats the problem bw is dancing around the answer to all of us who hate the ending if they will fix it or not hopefully the will
hold the line

To be honest, for me they don't even have to apologize. They should just fix it.

Ditto. Just fix it Bioware.

[Jimmie_Rox]

malra wrote...

hard for a big company to admit, look at what happened to Netflix, they admitted mistake and people still raked them over the coals.

To be fair, in my opinion, admitting that they messed up is a big step in the right direction. It takes a brave man, or woman, to admit that they were wrong and that, in and of itself, is something worthy of respect.

[yoshibb]

We are actually the ones trying to save this franchise. The majority of people will return the game or never think of it again, which hurts sales without the benefit of feedback. By complaining about it and civilly explaining our issues in an organized fashion, we can be taken seriously. But I still believe if they want to save this trilogy, they have to give us new endings.

No one wants more pre end DLC and no one wants another ME game at this point.