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[PsylenceRD]

FsDxRAGE_v2 wrote...

Speaking of which, anyone have the child's play link to donate money?

Here

[Welsh Inferno]

Esoretal wrote...

You guys realize that if 50,000+ fans each donated $20, we could easily raise over a million for Child's Play?

Now that would be EPIC. Already given my $20. Think i'll donate some more.

[Tyranniac]

Wearyanna wrote...

Neezoy wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...

Xoler92 wrote...

...

Welcome.

Also, I agree with you 100%. Could just as well have posted that myself, nice to see more swedes upset about the ending. Feel like I'm the only one around these parts.

Hold the line!

You're not alone. Fellow swede here *points to self*

And to the one who made those awesome banners - can we have one for Sweden too, please?

This is SSV Stockholm report for duty fellow Swedes! yes we might be a small country but we will hold the line!
 Wearyanna out

So I'm not alone. Yay!

Nilofeliu wrote...

Elanor1 wrote...

wicked_being wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

if someone would just say that we screwed up and we will fix it would quite the masses alittle and for some of us thats the problem bw is dancing around the answer to all of us who hate the ending if they will fix it or not hopefully the will
hold the line

To be honest, for me they don't even have to apologize. They should just fix it. 

Ditto. Just fix it Bioware. 

Actually, at this point I'd rather have a public apology from them explaining what they did wrong and why the failed their customer's base than just a quick fix. If they just fixed it, they can simply say it was to "silence us" , the "haters" and "whinners". They would treat us as beggars and throw us a bone (DLC or fix, paid or not). Instead, they need to acknowledge the responsability for everything that went on. It is not OUR fault that the ending is terrible, and it is surely not OUT fault that it needs fixing. It is theirs.

Otherise, next game (DA3) or any other they may soon release, the same thing will happen..

Standing Tall,
Standing Strong,

And holding the danm line

 

I strongly disagree with the first sentance. I'd must rather have them save the sci-fi universe that I love rather than apologize. That said, we're still on the same side.

Hold the line!

[bearcatfan14181]

Everyone, take a second and look at what Bioware has done. They specifically engineered the ending to be horrible to 90%+ of the fanbase. So honestly, don't worry about Bioware creating an ending DLC because they already have. I might not have any evidence of such an ending DLC but think about how much work it takes to create an ending that is hated by almost everyone.

P.S. I think Bioware is trolling us with the Final Hours of Mass Effect 3 and all of these tweets.

[Esoretal]

wicked_being wrote...

Posted from the PR Damage Control thread:

*image removed*

Also do check out the thread:
http://social.biowar.../index/10084349

Except for Udina, that bastard can go die in a fire. Oh wait...

Modifié par Esoretal, 17 mars 2012 - 04:36 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Are we spreadin

[malra]

anyone see this yet? http://www.gamefront...ffect-3-ending/ 

[Elanor]

Bilbotorm wrote...

Oh man... just finished it... tried the 3 endings... same **** all around

There, there. We're with you.

Join the fight.
Hold the line.

[Roll Equals Cute]

New York still holding the line, I posted in the Constructive Criticism thread for great justice.

Remain strong, everyone. Civility, a stalwart attitude and a little patience is all we need.

Oh and fajitas. Cannot forget those.

Modifié par Roll Equals Cute, 17 mars 2012 - 04:36 .

[TheBull]

BuddhaGeek wrote...

 Hehe, my partner said this about the endings this morning:

It's like Biff stole your DeLorean and rewrote your past, killing your dad and turning your mom into a cheap floozy

Obscure 80s movie references, FTW! <3

Not any the truly best Sci Fi BACK TO THE FUTURE 2

[segurissima]

I know this is nothing new or what haven’t been said so far, just to share my thoughts. I have bought the Final Hours on ipad yesterday and went through it. I had the impression that BW has put a lot passion into the game, and they really wanted to give us a fantastic game, incorporating fan feedback, but the leaks and the time pressure did not help the situation. (…so many good scenes cut out) As for the game ending, I think they were sincerely convinced that it will be OK. Now they are shocked over the reactions and try to do damage control as any big company would. This will, or is already, hitting their sales numbers and the reception of any ME related products in the future. I, for sure am not interested to replay the game, or buy any new content because I’ve lost interest after such a flat ending. And they know this. I cannot imagine that they will leave us, fans, without a proper remedy to this outrage about the ending, even if they defend the current product they know it could mean to the unsuccess of the franchise and any new MR related releases.
Hold the line!

[Katsumi Liqueur]

Darth Taurus wrote...

Sent my email to Bioware. Hope that it matter something to them

"
Bioware,

Probably, I'm more one of the fans of the game to write an email to you. However, I'd like to write this email to you so I could say to you my thoughts.

I've been a ME fan since 5 years ago. From all the games I played, Mass Effect was the best on my list. Because of it's story, it's action, it's freedom of choice. I played ME 1, 2 and now 3. Wen I saw the pre-purchase, last March, I didn't thought twice and bought the Digital Collector Edition. It was R$ 124,00 (79 dollars at the time).

On a Rich country like Canada or USA, 79 bucks aren't so much but here in Brazil it's different. Many families have less than 79 dollars per month and the parents have to feed about 2-5 children. If you go to the Northeast part of Brazil (Ceará, Bahia) there are families with 10 children with less than 50 bucks per month. The situation improved on the least 5 years, as President Lula gave a boost on the poor economies, but still is not perfect. For my luck, I was born in a middle class family and had the oportunity to have a good school, a home, and money to buy me games and other stuff. What I want to say is that, even for people that have, 79 dollars here in Brazil is not short money. We value it.

I bougth Mass Effect 3 because I loved the series and Knew that it was worth the price. So I paid. On the release, 6 th March, I was very happy to play a wonderful ending of a wonderful series. I played a lot. And enjoyed. At least wen I arrived at the end. I don't have problems with sad endings, never had. Letters from Iwo Jima, The Green Mile, Titanic, Saving private Ryan and so other movies, books and series with sad ends. But Mass Effect 3 was not only sad. It was wrong. More questions than answers, confunsing things. The greatest motive that made de ME series incredible were that our decisions can matter. And my decions, many hard ones, didn't matter. I wanted a game, not a interactive version of Apocalipse Now. I wanted answers, closure, a last scene that I would never forget. And Mass Effect 3 didn't gave me that. SOme say that the journey is what matters, but for me the ending is the motive that made me endure the journey. I played Rugby, and trained hard to play a match. My team lost, but in the end we saw that we fighted hard and hard to win and we were happy, besides the loss. The end showed us that we had many things to correct, and we did that. But we only endured the jorney to achieve the end. Achieve that feeling of a game. Be with our team and play as one. As I said before, I don't mind sad endings, because sad endings can be constructive. But ME3 ending was not constructive. I was an empty void, no feelings. To play the Rugby game, I trained hard. Spent 2-3 hours per day at the Gym. Trained very hard with my team. On the game, I saw that all my decisions and training on the journey mattered. Besiedes my rookie mistakes, I tackled bigger foes, endured the entire game and helped my team. In ME3 my journey was nothing. All that I achieved with so hard work was throwed on the trash can. It all ended with a spiritual kid that gave me 3 choices with different collors. I respect that Bioware team worked hard to achieve the game. You also endured a hard journey. But on the end, you failed with the people that made your dream possible, that invested real time and money in your games: our fans. I was for 1,5 years Director of Marketing in a Junior Company, and of all the lessons that I gattered the most precious to me is the valor of a client or fan and most of all, the critics that they do. From all the critics, the bad ones are the best. They are hard to listen and to agree, but the help your company become better/ you become better.

All we, fans, are asking is to you listen to us. We don't want a free ending DLC. We know that this costs money. We all agree that if we need to pay, we will pay.
As for all that I said, what I want to say most is that ME3 mattered to me. It can be silly or a idiot thing like a fiction story, but it mattered to me. And on the end, my feelings were destroyed. Not with sadness, but with anger that all my choices were for nothing. Sadness that all that I did was for nothing. And why not a happy ending? One of the reasons is all of us play video game is to be the hero and forget a little of our real world problems. Every day I see murder cases, corruption and poverty stuff here in São Paulo, Brazil. I have to be careful we I go out, because I can be Kidnapped, killed or robbed. Gaming is a way to release pression, to forget a little about your problems and achieve something happy or to know that your choices and hard work mattered. Some tears are getting out of me right now. How stupid, a 20 years old guy, at the end of his college course crying. But when something matters to you, this happens.

I'm writting this email not only because I'm anger or sad because the ending was not what I expected. I'm writting because it matters to me.
I want to thank you for your time. I know that a lot of people are writting, pariticipating right now on BSN (#retakemasseffect), facebook and twitter to get a new ending, not only a happy pink butterfly ending, but one that our choices matter and you can choose to achieve a sad/"real" ending or a happy/unreal(maybe) one. But we all are doing that because this matter to us. If the game did not mattered, nobody would be writting emails, talking about or asking. They would simply sell the copies and never play anymore. We are doing this because it matter to us. Please listen to us, and give us a better ending

I want to thank you again for your time and to say sorry about any gramatical erros. My written english is a bit rusted.

Sincerely,"

Love it, mate!

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

are we spreading into other threads this one seems to be slowing down a little,I know people are getting into the PR related threads and such, and it's kind of scary seeing some of the in-fighting sprouting out, the line must be held at any and all costs people.

There may be a day when the courage of man fails, but today is not this day!

Keep on holding it.

[Computim]

malra wrote...

I'm putting my money where my mouth is. I am subscribing to Forbes Magazine, also subscribing to Gamefront. Ending all subscriptions to reviewers and gaming mags that fed me a line. That is how the free market works.

Yup.  First it was #RetakeMassEffect3.   Next up it'll be #RetakeReviews.

I'm really hoping we get a ground swell here.. I've never been an activist, heck my day job is developing line of business applications for a multinational company and doing a heck of a lot of datamining.  Which means I have the habit of taking a whole whack of strange fragments of info and drawing conclusions from them haha.

I really do see something different with this.  People have realized just how in bed with publishers the Reviewers are and don't like it.

I've been compiling a list the last week of all the publications that have not done their homework, have not completed the game, have simply sourced another article (broken telephone game anyone?) for their sources rather than do their homework.  I'm sad to say that a lot of our 'respectable' national publications up here in Canada obviously don't.  In fact I noticed a couple EA ads floating beside one or two 'glowing' reviews last week... conflict of interest anyone? haha

The problem with Mass Effect 3's endng reviews was barely anyone actually finished the game.  EA actually provided the reviewers with a list of the '16' endings possible (quick google search brings up the sourcing and images).  In order to craft a message most favourable to their product the PR department gave the reviewers their entire review with keywords, tips, hidden 'gems' to talk about.  Hey EA... I've got a SQL server optimization review coming up next week.. any tips?  No.. shucks...

Angry letters to the editor used to be commonplace.. we lost that in the early 80s when people stopped thinking it mattered..  I sense a resurgence of that now.  Bioware, in 5 years, could be the Forbes article showpiece on how to properly manage a community if they handle this right.  I guarantee having management infuriate the community is more likely to be a university lecture on "how not to do it".  EA's actually isolated themselves from this as much as possible I notice.  (They almost BEAT Bioware to comment on the Day 1 DLC issue, they haven't even commented now haha).  I strongly appreciate the fact they haven't just shut down this forum and pretended it never happened.  For that I give them a LOT of credit and it's why I haven't just walked away and not bought another EA product to be honest.

I strongly hope that we collectively show both the gaming industry AND the review industry that we're not going to put up with them being lazy and cutting corners.  For the first time in history we can actually have the equivalent of a political war room.  We're able to communicate with each other in real time across timezones, we have regular updates of news coming in, links to articles.. we apparently have actual PR damage control experts on our side saying hold the line haha.

When someone has a reputation for excellence and they don't deliver that to you, you have a right to complain and to ask that it be fixed.  If they don't fix it, you need to find someone else to give your money to.  Bioware, do us right here. Don't PR spin us, we get enough of that already, just be honest and tell us what you're doing.  You're not 5 year old kids here, if you know we won't want to hear what you're telling us ask yourself if you're really looking out for your customer.

Hold the line folks

Modifié par Computim, 17 mars 2012 - 04:40 .

[PhoenixDove1]

Conspicuous Cake wrote...

Hydralysk wrote...

Morning guys, any new news/articles?

Not exactly news, but ckeck these out.
And keep on holding the line!

baronkohinar wrote...


TODAY'S NEWS FOR EVERYONE JUST CHECKING IN:

Casey Hudson's latest statement here:social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/324/index/10089946 

BioWare's New Resulting Feedback Thread here:social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10098213/1

New User-Created Poll For Feedback:social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10071250

MUST READ: Expert Analysis of BioWare's PR Strategy:social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10084349/1

Definitely read the PR one.  I still have hope though and will respond to the feedback just in case.  As for the statement, I just have to say, when he says this isn't the last of Shepard I hope that means what we want it to mean.  POST ME3 Shepard ending.

[Trunks Bordare]

I'll reitterate this point as well.  Please, if you haven't read the post from a former PR expert about what's going on behind the scenes, you NEED to read it.  Don't give in.  Don't give up.  Hold the line!

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10084349/1

[Denethar]

Most like scenario IF they release ending DLC. They throw it in together with an Omega mission and another single player mission, a possible extra squadmate, and 3-4 new maps and call it an expansion instead. That way they can focus on other things in it as well when media talks.

[FsDxRAGE_v2]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

are we spreading into other threads this one seems to be slowing down a little,I know people are getting into the PR related threads and such, and it's kind of scary seeing some of the in-fighting sprouting out, the line must be held at any and all costs people.

There may be a day when the courage of man fails, but today is not this day!

Keep on holding it.

/Aragorn

[FsDxRAGE_v2]

Trunks Bordare wrote...

I'll reitterate this point as well.  Please, if you haven't read the post from a former PR expert about what's going on behind the scenes, you NEED to read it.  Don't give in.  Don't give up.  Hold the line!

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10084349/1

This is so full of hope right here. I have been following this....

[segurissima]

Computim wrote...

malra wrote...

I'm putting my money where my mouth is. I am subscribing to Forbes Magazine, also subscribing to Gamefront. Ending all subscriptions to reviewers and gaming mags that fed me a line. That is how the free market works.

Yup.  First it was #RetakeMassEffect3.   Next up it'll be #RetakeReviews.

I'm really hoping we get a ground swell here.. I've never been an activist, heck my day job is developing line of business applications for a multinational company and doing a heck of a lot of datamining.  Which means I have the habit of taking a whole whack of strange fragments of info and drawing conclusions from them haha.

I really do see something different with this.  People have realized just how in bed with publishers the Reviewers are and don't like it.

I've been compiling a list the last week of all the publications that have not done their homework, have not completed the game, have simply sourced another article (broken telephone game anyone?) for their sources rather than do their homework.  I'm sad to say that a lot of our 'respectable' national publications up here in Canada obviously don't.  In fact I noticed a couple EA ads floating beside one or two 'glowing' reviews last week... conflict of interest anyone? haha

The problem with Mass Effect 3's endng was barely anyone actually finished the game.  EA actually provided the reviewers with a list of the '16' endings possible (quick google search brings up the sourcing and images).  In order to craft a message most favourable to their product the PR department gave the reviewers their entire review with keywords, tips, hidden 'gems' to talk about.  Hey EA... I've got a SQL server optimization review coming up next week.. any tips?  No.. shucks...

Angry letters to the editor used to be commonplace.. we lost that in the early 80s when people stopped thinking it mattered..  I sense a resurgence of that now.  Bioware, in 5 years, could be the Forbes article showpiece on how to properly manage a community if they handle this right.  I guarantee having management infuriate the community is more likely to be a university lecture on "how not to do it".  EA's actually isolated themselves from this as much as possible I notice.  (They almost BEAT Bioware to comment on the Day 1 DLC issue, they haven't even commented now haha).  I strongly appreciate the fact they haven't just shut down this forum and pretended it never happened.  For that I give them a LOT of credit and it's why I haven't just walked away and not bought another EA product to be honest.

I strongly hope that we collectively show both the gaming industry AND the review industry that we're not going to put up with them being lazy and cutting corners.  For the first time in history we can actually have the equivalent of a political war room.  We're able to communicate with each other in real time across timezones, we have regular updates of news coming in, links to articles.. we apparently have actual PR damage control experts on our side saying hold the line haha.

When someone has a reputation for excellence and they don't deliver that to you, you have a right to complain and to ask that it be fixed.  If they don't fix it, you need to find someone else to give your money to.  Bioware, do us right here. Don't PR spin us, we get enough of that already, just be honest and tell us what you're doing.  You're not 5 year old kids here, if you know we won't want to hear what you're telling us ask yourself if you're really looking out for your customer.

Hold the line folks

/agreed. signed.

[Esoretal]

Did you guys see any of these tweets?!

Modifié par Esoretal, 17 mars 2012 - 04:41 .

[Conspicuous Cake]

bearcatfan14181 wrote...

Everyone, take a second and look at what Bioware has done. They specifically engineered the ending to be horrible to 90%+ of the fanbase. So honestly, don't worry about Bioware creating an ending DLC because they already have. I might not have any evidence of such an ending DLC but think about how much work it takes to create an ending that is hated by almost everyone.

P.S. I think Bioware is trolling us with the Final Hours of Mass Effect 3 and all of these tweets.

I don't know what to make of it.
I'd be happy that we'd be getting a true ending, but, man, I'd be kind of angry at them for tossing my feelings around like that.

I just want a better ending.
Be it already made, or not.

[Elanor]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

are we spreading into other threads this one seems to be slowing down a little,I know people are getting into the PR related threads and such, and it's kind of scary seeing some of the in-fighting sprouting out, the line must be held at any and all costs people.

There may be a day when the courage of man fails, but today is not this day!

Keep on holding it.

I noticed that too and I'm a little afraid.

Hold the line.

[ajunta_]

Just finished writing an email to Bioware. Somehow, that was exhausting, took me like a half an hour - everything that I wanted to write sounded to me like a plagiatry, cause now my opinion is fused with thousands of others. That what means being a part of consensus, I guess.