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[Welsh Inferno]

segurissima wrote...

Computim wrote...

malra wrote...

I'm putting my money where my mouth is. I am subscribing to Forbes Magazine, also subscribing to Gamefront. Ending all subscriptions to reviewers and gaming mags that fed me a line. That is how the free market works.

Yup.  First it was #RetakeMassEffect3.   Next up it'll be #RetakeReviews.

I'm really hoping we get a ground swell here.. I've never been an activist, heck my day job is developing line of business applications for a multinational company and doing a heck of a lot of datamining.  Which means I have the habit of taking a whole whack of strange fragments of info and drawing conclusions from them haha.

I really do see something different with this.  People have realized just how in bed with publishers the Reviewers are and don't like it.

I've been compiling a list the last week of all the publications that have not done their homework, have not completed the game, have simply sourced another article (broken telephone game anyone?) for their sources rather than do their homework.  I'm sad to say that a lot of our 'respectable' national publications up here in Canada obviously don't.  In fact I noticed a couple EA ads floating beside one or two 'glowing' reviews last week... conflict of interest anyone? haha

The problem with Mass Effect 3's endng was barely anyone actually finished the game.  EA actually provided the reviewers with a list of the '16' endings possible (quick google search brings up the sourcing and images).  In order to craft a message most favourable to their product the PR department gave the reviewers their entire review with keywords, tips, hidden 'gems' to talk about.  Hey EA... I've got a SQL server optimization review coming up next week.. any tips?  No.. shucks...

Angry letters to the editor used to be commonplace.. we lost that in the early 80s when people stopped thinking it mattered..  I sense a resurgence of that now.  Bioware, in 5 years, could be the Forbes article showpiece on how to properly manage a community if they handle this right.  I guarantee having management infuriate the community is more likely to be a university lecture on "how not to do it".  EA's actually isolated themselves from this as much as possible I notice.  (They almost BEAT Bioware to comment on the Day 1 DLC issue, they haven't even commented now haha).  I strongly appreciate the fact they haven't just shut down this forum and pretended it never happened.  For that I give them a LOT of credit and it's why I haven't just walked away and not bought another EA product to be honest.

I strongly hope that we collectively show both the gaming industry AND the review industry that we're not going to put up with them being lazy and cutting corners.  For the first time in history we can actually have the equivalent of a political war room.  We're able to communicate with each other in real time across timezones, we have regular updates of news coming in, links to articles.. we apparently have actual PR damage control experts on our side saying hold the line haha.

When someone has a reputation for excellence and they don't deliver that to you, you have a right to complain and to ask that it be fixed.  If they don't fix it, you need to find someone else to give your money to.  Bioware, do us right here. Don't PR spin us, we get enough of that already, just be honest and tell us what you're doing.  You're not 5 year old kids here, if you know we won't want to hear what you're telling us ask yourself if you're really looking out for your customer.

Hold the line folks

/agreed. signed.

x2

[Xelv88]

baronkohinar wrote...

MUST READ: Expert Analysis of BioWare's PR Strategy:social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10084349/1

See, it's stuff like this that makes holding the line with civility hard, even for a calmly passionate fan like myself.

On a personal note to Bioware:  My wife is a huge fan of ME, probably a bigger fan then I am.  She's been very busy these past few weeks, but is finally sitting down to play ME3.  She doesn't know how it ends.  It would be great if you could, I don't know, genuinely promise to fix/extend/discuss the ending or something before she gets there.  Why, you ask?  Please go look up "redirected aggression".  Save a life Bioware.

Hold the line.

Modifié par Xelv88, 17 mars 2012 - 04:43 .

[wicked_being]

Not sure if this has been posted but just got this PM from Jacks Up:



So much rage, I'm shaking my head...but laughing

Modifié par wicked_being, 17 mars 2012 - 04:44 .

[Esoretal]

Xelv88 wrote...

baronkohinar wrote...

MUST READ: Expert Analysis of BioWare's PR Strategy:social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10084349/1

See, it's stuff like this that makes holding the line with civility hard, even for a calmly passionate fan like myself.

On a personal note to Bioware:  My wife is a huge fan of ME, probably a bigger fan then I am.  She's been very busy these past few weeks, but is finally sitting down to play ME3.  She doesn't know how it ends.  It would be great if you could, I don't know, genuinely promise to fix/extend/discuss the ending or something before she gets there.  Why, you ask?  Please go look up "redirected aggression".  Save a life Bioware.

Hold the line.

Please, BioWare. Think of the significant others.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

segurissima wrote...

I know this is nothing new or what haven’t been said so far, just to share my thoughts. I have bought the Final Hours on ipad yesterday and went through it. I had the impression that BW has put a lot passion into the game, and they really wanted to give us a fantastic game, incorporating fan feedback, but the leaks and the time pressure did not help the situation. (…so many good scenes cut out) As for the game ending, I think they were sincerely convinced that it will be OK. Now they are shocked over the reactions and try to do damage control as any big company would. This will, or is already, hitting their sales numbers and the reception of any ME related products in the future. I, for sure am not interested to replay the game, or buy any new content because I’ve lost interest after such a flat ending. And they know this. I cannot imagine that they will leave us, fans, without a proper remedy to this outrage about the ending, even if they defend the current product they know it could mean to the unsuccess of the franchise and any new MR related releases.
Hold the line!

On top of that there will be at least 50k people not buying any DLC and that's not including the people who don't buy DLC anyway so out of the hardcore customers (note the use of customer instead of fan) few will be buying anything that isn't a fix to this faux pas of an ending and even then if it is payed DLC there is gonna be a whole...whole lot of pirating.


Hold the line.

[FsDxRAGE_v2]

Esoretal wrote...

Did you guys see any of these tweets?!

She is a goddess amugst the fans, I swear.

[Tychondrus5]

SSV De Ruyter status report:

After successfully transfering funds towards Child's Play, we are now going in for a supply run on the nearest planet. We will rejoin the fleet shortly.

Hold the line!

[malra]

Elanor1 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

are we spreading into other threads this one seems to be slowing down a little,I know people are getting into the PR related threads and such, and it's kind of scary seeing some of the in-fighting sprouting out, the line must be held at any and all costs people.

There may be a day when the courage of man fails, but today is not this day!

Keep on holding it.

I noticed that too and I'm a little afraid.

Hold the line.

could just be because it saturday, or people are trying to work the poll and finish letters. that poll takes for ever and it gave me head ache.  you should be here at night....sad to say I fell asleep in my chair about 4 while I was holding the line....*shamefully admit weakness*

[Elanor]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

segurissima wrote...

I know this is nothing new or what haven’t been said so far, just to share my thoughts. I have bought the Final Hours on ipad yesterday and went through it. I had the impression that BW has put a lot passion into the game, and they really wanted to give us a fantastic game, incorporating fan feedback, but the leaks and the time pressure did not help the situation. (…so many good scenes cut out) As for the game ending, I think they were sincerely convinced that it will be OK. Now they are shocked over the reactions and try to do damage control as any big company would. This will, or is already, hitting their sales numbers and the reception of any ME related products in the future. I, for sure am not interested to replay the game, or buy any new content because I’ve lost interest after such a flat ending. And they know this. I cannot imagine that they will leave us, fans, without a proper remedy to this outrage about the ending, even if they defend the current product they know it could mean to the unsuccess of the franchise and any new MR related releases.
Hold the line!

On top of that there will be at least 50k people not buying any DLC and that's not including the people who don't buy DLC anyway so out of the hardcore customers (note the use of customer instead of fan) few will be buying anything that isn't a fix to this faux pas of an ending and even then if it is payed DLC there is gonna be a whole...whole lot of pirating.


Hold the line.

I think there's more people like us they're just not a part of community.

[darthoptimus003]

just wonderin if bioware really thought this end through seriously
did they really think it was good or is this some twisted joke to see how many fans they could ****** off
cause i dont think anyone there would intentionaly nuke there own game this badly
and if its a joke id be pissed while i was lmfao at the whole thing because they got us real good

[Katsumi Liqueur]

My bloody kingdom for a new ending!

[Icetea07]

You know what i am hoping. Somewhere the actually writers are telling the boss, see i told you. I told you this was all BS. I tried to warn you, IF you had only listened we would be complete gaming gods but damn, you just had to believe you were right no matter what. So will you let me fix this mess or are you going to believe you were still right no matter what the evidence says.

[PhoenixDove1]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

are we spreading into other threads this one seems to be slowing down a little,I know people are getting into the PR related threads and such, and it's kind of scary seeing some of the in-fighting sprouting out, the line must be held at any and all costs people.

There may be a day when the courage of man fails, but today is not this day!

Keep on holding it.

I am trying to read some other threads, but I keep coming back to this one.  Bioware has to know I am holding the line until WE (users) say it's the end.  So for everyone holding the line my small absences in no way reflect my lessoning optimism we will prevail or my acceptance of the PR redirect campaign going on.  That is an observation not a personal jab.  And where the F*** is a statement from EA on this???? They're letting their best company, Bioware, flounder!  Anyone from EA... noted

[N085]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

segurissima wrote...

Computim wrote...

malra wrote...

I'm putting my money where my mouth is. I am subscribing to Forbes Magazine, also subscribing to Gamefront. Ending all subscriptions to reviewers and gaming mags that fed me a line. That is how the free market works.

Yup.  First it was #RetakeMassEffect3.   Next up it'll be #RetakeReviews.

I'm really hoping we get a ground swell here.. I've never been an activist, heck my day job is developing line of business applications for a multinational company and doing a heck of a lot of datamining.  Which means I have the habit of taking a whole whack of strange fragments of info and drawing conclusions from them haha.

I really do see something different with this.  People have realized just how in bed with publishers the Reviewers are and don't like it.

I've been compiling a list the last week of all the publications that have not done their homework, have not completed the game, have simply sourced another article (broken telephone game anyone?) for their sources rather than do their homework.  I'm sad to say that a lot of our 'respectable' national publications up here in Canada obviously don't.  In fact I noticed a couple EA ads floating beside one or two 'glowing' reviews last week... conflict of interest anyone? haha

The problem with Mass Effect 3's endng was barely anyone actually finished the game.  EA actually provided the reviewers with a list of the '16' endings possible (quick google search brings up the sourcing and images).  In order to craft a message most favourable to their product the PR department gave the reviewers their entire review with keywords, tips, hidden 'gems' to talk about.  Hey EA... I've got a SQL server optimization review coming up next week.. any tips?  No.. shucks...

Angry letters to the editor used to be commonplace.. we lost that in the early 80s when people stopped thinking it mattered..  I sense a resurgence of that now.  Bioware, in 5 years, could be the Forbes article showpiece on how to properly manage a community if they handle this right.  I guarantee having management infuriate the community is more likely to be a university lecture on "how not to do it".  EA's actually isolated themselves from this as much as possible I notice.  (They almost BEAT Bioware to comment on the Day 1 DLC issue, they haven't even commented now haha).  I strongly appreciate the fact they haven't just shut down this forum and pretended it never happened.  For that I give them a LOT of credit and it's why I haven't just walked away and not bought another EA product to be honest.

I strongly hope that we collectively show both the gaming industry AND the review industry that we're not going to put up with them being lazy and cutting corners.  For the first time in history we can actually have the equivalent of a political war room.  We're able to communicate with each other in real time across timezones, we have regular updates of news coming in, links to articles.. we apparently have actual PR damage control experts on our side saying hold the line haha.

When someone has a reputation for excellence and they don't deliver that to you, you have a right to complain and to ask that it be fixed.  If they don't fix it, you need to find someone else to give your money to.  Bioware, do us right here. Don't PR spin us, we get enough of that already, just be honest and tell us what you're doing.  You're not 5 year old kids here, if you know we won't want to hear what you're telling us ask yourself if you're really looking out for your customer.

Hold the line folks

/agreed. signed.

x2

x3

[Darth Taurus]

Katsumi Liqueur wrote...

Darth Taurus wrote...

Sent my email to Bioware. Hope that it matter something to them

"
Bioware,

Probably, I'm more one of the fans of the game to write an email to you. However, I'd like to write this email to you so I could say to you my thoughts.

I've been a ME fan since 5 years ago. From all the games I played, Mass Effect was the best on my list. Because of it's story, it's action, it's freedom of choice. I played ME 1, 2 and now 3. Wen I saw the pre-purchase, last March, I didn't thought twice and bought the Digital Collector Edition. It was R$ 124,00 (79 dollars at the time).

On a Rich country like Canada or USA, 79 bucks aren't so much but here in Brazil it's different. Many families have less than 79 dollars per month and the parents have to feed about 2-5 children. If you go to the Northeast part of Brazil (Ceará, Bahia) there are families with 10 children with less than 50 bucks per month. The situation improved on the least 5 years, as President Lula gave a boost on the poor economies, but still is not perfect. For my luck, I was born in a middle class family and had the oportunity to have a good school, a home, and money to buy me games and other stuff. What I want to say is that, even for people that have, 79 dollars here in Brazil is not short money. We value it.

I bougth Mass Effect 3 because I loved the series and Knew that it was worth the price. So I paid. On the release, 6 th March, I was very happy to play a wonderful ending of a wonderful series. I played a lot. And enjoyed. At least wen I arrived at the end. I don't have problems with sad endings, never had. Letters from Iwo Jima, The Green Mile, Titanic, Saving private Ryan and so other movies, books and series with sad ends. But Mass Effect 3 was not only sad. It was wrong. More questions than answers, confunsing things. The greatest motive that made de ME series incredible were that our decisions can matter. And my decions, many hard ones, didn't matter. I wanted a game, not a interactive version of Apocalipse Now. I wanted answers, closure, a last scene that I would never forget. And Mass Effect 3 didn't gave me that. SOme say that the journey is what matters, but for me the ending is the motive that made me endure the journey. I played Rugby, and trained hard to play a match. My team lost, but in the end we saw that we fighted hard and hard to win and we were happy, besides the loss. The end showed us that we had many things to correct, and we did that. But we only endured the jorney to achieve the end. Achieve that feeling of a game. Be with our team and play as one. As I said before, I don't mind sad endings, because sad endings can be constructive. But ME3 ending was not constructive. I was an empty void, no feelings. To play the Rugby game, I trained hard. Spent 2-3 hours per day at the Gym. Trained very hard with my team. On the game, I saw that all my decisions and training on the journey mattered. Besiedes my rookie mistakes, I tackled bigger foes, endured the entire game and helped my team. In ME3 my journey was nothing. All that I achieved with so hard work was throwed on the trash can. It all ended with a spiritual kid that gave me 3 choices with different collors. I respect that Bioware team worked hard to achieve the game. You also endured a hard journey. But on the end, you failed with the people that made your dream possible, that invested real time and money in your games: our fans. I was for 1,5 years Director of Marketing in a Junior Company, and of all the lessons that I gattered the most precious to me is the valor of a client or fan and most of all, the critics that they do. From all the critics, the bad ones are the best. They are hard to listen and to agree, but the help your company become better/ you become better.

All we, fans, are asking is to you listen to us. We don't want a free ending DLC. We know that this costs money. We all agree that if we need to pay, we will pay.
As for all that I said, what I want to say most is that ME3 mattered to me. It can be silly or a idiot thing like a fiction story, but it mattered to me. And on the end, my feelings were destroyed. Not with sadness, but with anger that all my choices were for nothing. Sadness that all that I did was for nothing. And why not a happy ending? One of the reasons is all of us play video game is to be the hero and forget a little of our real world problems. Every day I see murder cases, corruption and poverty stuff here in São Paulo, Brazil. I have to be careful we I go out, because I can be Kidnapped, killed or robbed. Gaming is a way to release pression, to forget a little about your problems and achieve something happy or to know that your choices and hard work mattered. Some tears are getting out of me right now. How stupid, a 20 years old guy, at the end of his college course crying. But when something matters to you, this happens.

I'm writting this email not only because I'm anger or sad because the ending was not what I expected. I'm writting because it matters to me.
I want to thank you for your time. I know that a lot of people are writting, pariticipating right now on BSN (#retakemasseffect), facebook and twitter to get a new ending, not only a happy pink butterfly ending, but one that our choices matter and you can choose to achieve a sad/"real" ending or a happy/unreal(maybe) one. But we all are doing that because this matter to us. If the game did not mattered, nobody would be writting emails, talking about or asking. They would simply sell the copies and never play anymore. We are doing this because it matter to us. Please listen to us, and give us a better ending

I want to thank you again for your time and to say sorry about any gramatical erros. My written english is a bit rusted.

Sincerely,"

Love it, mate!

thanks mate! 

[Computim]

malra wrote...

Elanor1 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

are we spreading into other threads this one seems to be slowing down a little,I know people are getting into the PR related threads and such, and it's kind of scary seeing some of the in-fighting sprouting out, the line must be held at any and all costs people.

There may be a day when the courage of man fails, but today is not this day!

Keep on holding it.

I noticed that too and I'm a little afraid.

Hold the line.

could just be because it saturday, or people are trying to work the poll and finish letters. that poll takes for ever and it gave me head ache.  you should be here at night....sad to say I fell asleep in my chair about 4 while I was holding the line....*shamefully admit weakness*

Trouble is the people complaining didn't get what they wanted and left, meaning Bioware have, more than likely, already lost loyal fans for customers.  I'm holding out hope, I'm more patient than most on a normal day but I won't wait around forever.  Bioware's sitting on the edge of the abyss here, I'm just waiting to see which side of the fence they jump on.

[Cybermortis]

zoider16 wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

zoider16 wrote...

Hey everybody I got a quick question from my brother for you. He hasn't actually finished the game yet,he already knows that the ending is quite bad, but he's not sure if continuing to play would hurt our cause. His thinking is that EAware is still collecting data on whose playing sp and by playing he will add to their thinking that they did things right. Told him I would ask the fleet to get their opinion. What do you think?

id say stop where he is at and not pick it up till its fixxed save you bro from haten all of the me games later on

Thanks for the input, I was thinking of telling him the same thing. Probably just tell him to replay 1 and 2 while we wait for some kind of proper response to this debacle.

I'd tell him to go back and replay ME and ME2 before he finishes ME3. Otherwise he'll have no compulsion to even LOOK at the earlier games again.

[FredericLammer]

marauder shields made me cancel my TOR subscription.... that's how far you've brought me with your space magic Bioware

Still holding the line though!

Modifié par FredericLammer, 17 mars 2012 - 04:51 .

[weatabix]

I was thinking that this would be a flash in the pan but instead of gradually losing interest in the cause like I expected I can't stay away from here for more than a day. Im getting almost nothing else done!!! Anyway whatever happens my friends, it certainly has been great so far!!! I still have hope!

Hold the line...

[Adam-Sadface]

Ignore the diversionary tactics and indoctrination attempts.

HOLD THE DAMN LINE.

[PhoenixDove1]

zoider16 wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

zoider16 wrote...

Hey everybody I got a quick question from my brother for you. He hasn't actually finished the game yet,he already knows that the ending is quite bad, but he's not sure if continuing to play would hurt our cause. His thinking is that EAware is still collecting data on whose playing sp and by playing he will add to their thinking that they did things right. Told him I would ask the fleet to get their opinion. What do you think?

id say stop where he is at and not pick it up till its fixxed save you bro from haten all of the me games later on

Thanks for the input, I was thinking of telling him the same thing. Probably just tell him to replay 1 and 2 while we wait for some kind of proper response to this debacle.

Thank your brother for that question, I believe like others that they are tracking how much we play ME3.  I want to try and play ME1 and 2 again, and am wondering, are they tracking that as well?  If I play the first 2 will that be an ackowledgement of me liking all 3?  Cause it's not, but in the first 2 I can try and pretend a right ending.  thoughts?

[Icetea07]

Xelv88 wrote...

baronkohinar wrote...

MUST READ: Expert Analysis of BioWare's PR Strategy:social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10084349/1

See, it's stuff like this that makes holding the line with civility hard, even for a calmly passionate fan like myself.

On a personal note to Bioware:  My wife is a huge fan of ME, probably a bigger fan then I am.  She's been very busy these past few weeks, but is finally sitting down to play ME3.  She doesn't know how it ends.  It would be great if you could, I don't know, genuinely promise to fix/extend/discuss the ending or something before she gets there.  Why, you ask?  Please go look up "redirected aggression".  Save a life Bioware.

Hold the line.

You will be in my prayers. Good luck but at all times Hold the Line

[TheBull]

darthoptimus003 wrote...

just wonderin if bioware really thought this end through seriously
did they really think it was good or is this some twisted joke to see how many fans they could ****** off
cause i dont think anyone there would intentionaly nuke there own game this badly
and if its a joke id be pissed while i was lmfao at the whole thing because they got us real good

they wanted to be unforgettable with their endings

[Bionic Weapon]

T-Raks wrote...

Bionic Weapon wrote...
That's why saying its about the journey kind of falls flat. The journey can be a good one heck it can be an amazing one but if the destination fails to deliver and what was the point of going all that way.
case in point this is what Max Payne said:
"They were all dead. The final gunshot was an exclamation mark on everything that had led to this point. I released my finger from the trigger, and it was over".
 So while the journey was a good one the destination is where everything  came together and that's exactly what Mass Effect needs an exclamation mark of everything that has lead to that point.

Agreed! At the end you want an exclamation point after which you say "wow, I wanna play it again concentrating on other squadmates, other story archs, make some other decisions etc.". You definitely don't want to leave the game thinking "what was that all about", "why did my sqadmates leave the battle on the Normandy", "why were squadmates that just ran with me at the citadel and presumably got injured at least suddenly on board of the normandy", "why were the humans in the end alone again when just every race battled on earth with no way out because of the relays destroyed", "why is the reapers destroying evolutioned organic life the cure to otherwise synthetics would destroy organic life"? I just don't understand how the writers of an otherwise great game can come up with such a mess in the end.

Yep! I have seen people way back when we were just the Mass Effect forums and not BSN say they immediately started another play through of Mass Effect 1 because of how amazing it was (still is) and how their decisions Paragon or Remegade shaped their playthrough and their ending and they wanted to go right back in and play a " what if I did things this way" playthrough.


It left a sense of accomplishment and victory in their minds. It left a good feeling in their hearts. They wanted to experience it again. Mass Effect 1 is still talked about today and even though it left off with a more things are to come ending people still loved it. 


Then there's Mass Effect 2 which was all about coming together as a small team to stop a smaller threat of a much larger one. We got our specialists ready, fought for the lost, and gave them hell. And if we wanted to we  had the option to either fail miserably or come out  triumphantly. Again people loved the choices we were given and shaped their playthroughs the way they saw fit.  Again they loved it and wanted more.


Each of those journeys was the exclamation mark of everything that had led to that point. What they went through, what they achieved to get there, and what the outcome or destination was going to be. The endings were talked about because of how they made the players feel. Some characters died in some playthroughs, and some if not all survived in other playthroughs. Some choices were different although some were the same, but the fact the matter is they were choices. 

Everything they did  mattered and fit into their endgame.


Now with Mass Effect 3 the journey was an  amazing one. Each decision sometimes was harder than the last. Each choice you had to make count. We lost friends that we cared for but we knew that their deaths would not be in vain because the destination was where everything was going to come together.  Where we were going to put everything that we had done so far in that journey to the best possible use we could. They were our choices  they were the things that we did shape our characters.


But sadly no such thing occurred. We were given choices but they were not our own. They were chosen for us. When you give a player the illusion of choice but are actually choosing for them everything that they did absolutely does not matter. 


That's the biggest problem with this game. We expected to ask the hard questions. We expected to look for other solutions if the choices did not agree with who are character(s) was.  We expected to win this war our way on our terms.


And most importantly we expected closure.  To see how our decisions shaped  the galaxy after the war.  To see that everything that we did good or bad had an impact on the galaxy as a whole. You take that away from a player how do you expect them to react?

 You want an ending talked about? See what happens when every choice  actually matters and fits  into their own carefully crafted story.  See what happens when when we are asking each other "what decision did you make in this regard".  "What happened to this species in your story"? "How badly  did you screw up in this regard"?


 When this happens you have given the player something to actually talk about: choice and closure. They feel accomplished in their goal, in their story.


Whether its a story of sacrifice or pure classic heroism. Each of us gets outcome that we want.


And this dear Bioware is what a lot of us were anticipating but did not get.  We know your track record and we know you are capable of much better than this. You do not want to go out with a whimper but a bang. You want to be remembered for giving us one of the greatest sci-fi trilogies to  ever to grace our PCs and consoles.


So now the question is: what are you going to do about it?
If I missed something you guys wanted feel free to tell me as I know I didn't mention them all.

Modifié par Bionic Weapon, 17 mars 2012 - 05:01 .

[wicked_being]

malra wrote...

Elanor1 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

are we spreading into other threads this one seems to be slowing down a little,I know people are getting into the PR related threads and such, and it's kind of scary seeing some of the in-fighting sprouting out, the line must be held at any and all costs people.

There may be a day when the courage of man fails, but today is not this day!

Keep on holding it.

I noticed that too and I'm a little afraid.

Hold the line.

could just be because it saturday, or people are trying to work the poll and finish letters. that poll takes for ever and it gave me head ache.  you should be here at night....sad to say I fell asleep in my chair about 4 while I was holding the line....*shamefully admit weakness*

Well for 4 days (I've only started monitoring), this thread had a constant increase of 200 pages each day. It's still a bit early to tell how it is today but as of writing, we're 50 pages away from 200 (yesterday when I slept we were at 1476 pages).

Modifié par wicked_being, 17 mars 2012 - 04:53 .