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[Tietj]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

dheer wrote...

I just wanted to finish me3 with tali and garrus like I did me1 & 2. Instead they get to slowly starve to death. Thanks. God effing damnit.

I was so happy about getting the (almost) whole team back together, now to find out that they all die. F*** me.

I just find that so hard to believe. There is no way bioware would do that, just no way. Have all the favorites of fans just die alone? It makes no sense.  I can maybe understand a quick death, in an exploding ship, or being shot in the face. But being alone with no others of their species to slowly starve to death, completely isolated from the rest of the galaxy? 

It just doesn't add up. It seems exactly like something someone would make up to purposely upset people. 

They don't.  I'm somewhat pessimistic about the ending, and even I recognize that nobody anywhere has stated that the crew dies slowly and alone.  They crash on some planet, most likely with other ships, and found a colony, which figures in the epilogue. 

[Olueq]

First we get a human reaper... then this. Lmao. Bioware really hates its fans.

[Dilos01]

Man...this is nuts!  I hate to be in Bioware's shoes right now. 

Honest to god, if it weren't for that "Space Edition" sweepstakes, then nobody would be talking about this.  Instead the whole place is turning into an effing powder keg!! 

Whoever came with that idea...well, it wasn't such a good idea now, was it?? 

[WarBaby2]

Crimsanity wrote...

Endings 1-7: galactic civilization is effectively destroyed. I thought that was what we were fighting to protect? Shepard fails at everything forever!

Nope, the galaxy is saved, no matter what... only reaper tech is destroyed... which was bad to begin with.

From BWs point of view (and I actually read that statement somewhere) there is no BAD ending... the galaxy is saved in all of them.

[Hyrist]

Karimloo wrote...

Hyrist wrote...

No, you're listing games without choice as refrence.

This is about making you choose the bad end. Making you personally, with your own mind, figure out your ending fate, and none of them being good.

You can't evade FFXIII-2's or RDR's endings, but you also can't really choose HOW you meet those endings either.

Here, you do. The consequence of that is much deeper. Here, you pick which dark fate holds the most hope. The superior level of impact can easily be measured by the rampaging negativity here - people don't want to choose a bad end. They would rather it be out of their hands. As much as I would like to get a 'happy-ish ending' from Bioware like anyone else. I have to give Kudos to Bioware for that.

So the only true ending at the end of a crisis is a definitive bad one where everyone has to die? It's the most "realistic" is that it?

The possibilities are endless, it's just laziness that reduced all the endings to be so similar. If you prefer the ending, it's your choice, not something that should be shoved down all of our throats. Kudos to what?

I love how people assume companies have endless time and money to funnel into the game, and anything remotely similar they have to cry 'laziness!'

But putting asside the technical limitations: You've got your endings wrong. 'everyone has to die' is not the endings available to you. Yes, the worlds get seperated when the Crucible gets used, that does not mean everyone chokes and dies. It means the Galaxy will never be the same again.

Spin that pesimisticly if you choose, but 'the possibilities are endless' can be spoken for the far off future of the ME universe as well. But every choice in the ending comes with a sacrafice.

[Sashimi_taco]

Tietj wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

dheer wrote...

I just wanted to finish me3 with tali and garrus like I did me1 & 2. Instead they get to slowly starve to death. Thanks. God effing damnit.

I was so happy about getting the (almost) whole team back together, now to find out that they all die. F*** me.

I just find that so hard to believe. There is no way bioware would do that, just no way. Have all the favorites of fans just die alone? It makes no sense.  I can maybe understand a quick death, in an exploding ship, or being shot in the face. But being alone with no others of their species to slowly starve to death, completely isolated from the rest of the galaxy? 

It just doesn't add up. It seems exactly like something someone would make up to purposely upset people. 

They don't.  I'm somewhat pessimistic about the ending, and even I recognize that nobody anywhere has stated that the crew dies slowly and alone.  They crash on some planet, most likely with other ships, and found a colony, which figures in the epilogue. 

How are tali and garrus supposed to eat? Thats the big question. 

[Cyricsservant101]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Karimloo wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Karimloo wrote...

Hyrist wrote...

No, you're listing games without choice as refrence.

This is about making you choose the bad end. Making you personally, with your own mind, figure out your ending fate, and none of them being good.

You can't evade FFXIII-2's or RDR's endings, but you also can't really choose HOW you meet those endings either.

Here, you do. The consequence of that is much deeper. Here, you pick which dark fate holds the most hope. The superior level of impact can easily be measured by the rampaging negativity here - people don't want to choose a bad end. They would rather it be out of their hands. As much as I would like to get a 'happy-ish ending' from Bioware like anyone else. I have to give Kudos to Bioware for that.

So the only true ending at the end of a crisis is a definitive bad one where everyone has to die? It's the most "realistic" is that it?

The possibilities are endless, it's just laziness that reduced all the endings to be so similar. If you prefer the ending, it's your choice, not something that should be shoved down all of our throats. Kudos to what?

Right, they are similar because they are slacking off and getting lazy. Hubris.

Explain: World saved, stranded, World dead, stranded.

No, I wasn't being sarcastic; I was completely agreeing with you. Sorry if it came out that way.

I was always afriad we'd get a set of endings like this because Bioware wouldn't want to deal with all the romance subplots.  <_<

I also suspected they might want to set us up for a future ME game... sort of like with DA2.

Modifié par Cyricsservant101, 01 mars 2012 - 02:09 .

[mnomaha]

Yeah, sorry, can't read all 162...+ pages.

Why the hell is Liara's plot armour so thick? Is she somebody's special "buddy"? Seriously?

[crimzontearz]

Dilos01 wrote...Man...this is nuts!  I hate to be in Bioware's shoes right now.  Honest to god, if it weren't for that "Space Edition" sweepstakes, then nobody would be talking about this.  Instead the whole place is turning into an effing powder keg!! Whoever came with that idea...well, it wasn't such a good idea now, was it?? 

maybe the same guy who came up with "press a button and something awesome happens"

[Unit-Alpha]

Cyricsservant101 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Karimloo wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Karimloo wrote...

Hyrist wrote...

No, you're listing games without choice as refrence.

This is about making you choose the bad end. Making you personally, with your own mind, figure out your ending fate, and none of them being good.

You can't evade FFXIII-2's or RDR's endings, but you also can't really choose HOW you meet those endings either.

Here, you do. The consequence of that is much deeper. Here, you pick which dark fate holds the most hope. The superior level of impact can easily be measured by the rampaging negativity here - people don't want to choose a bad end. They would rather it be out of their hands. As much as I would like to get a 'happy-ish ending' from Bioware like anyone else. I have to give Kudos to Bioware for that.

So the only true ending at the end of a crisis is a definitive bad one where everyone has to die? It's the most "realistic" is that it?

The possibilities are endless, it's just laziness that reduced all the endings to be so similar. If you prefer the ending, it's your choice, not something that should be shoved down all of our throats. Kudos to what?

Right, they are similar because they are slacking off and getting lazy. Hubris.

Explain: World saved, stranded, World dead, stranded.

No, I wasn't being sarcastic; I was completely agreeing with you. Sorry if it came out that way.

I was always afriad we'd get a set of endings like this because Bioware wouldn't want to deal with all the romance subplots.  <_<

They don't even need to deal with that! Make it moot point by the end by resolving the romance and just let the rest play out normally. No need for a wedding or anything.

[Olueq]

crimzontearz wrote...

Dilos01 wrote...Man...this is nuts!  I hate to be in Bioware's shoes right now.  Honest to god, if it weren't for that "Space Edition" sweepstakes, then nobody would be talking about this.  Instead the whole place is turning into an effing powder keg!! Whoever came with that idea...well, it wasn't such a good idea now, was it?? 

maybe the same guy who came up with "press a button and something awesome happens"

Or the same person that though a suicide mission was a good idea in ME2.....

Modifié par Olueq, 01 mars 2012 - 02:09 .

[PosterAnonymous]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

PosterAnonymous wrote...

Screw it - If I want to spend $90 and be left unsatisfied I'll take my girlfriend to a nice restaurant and have her tell me she's "too tired" afterwards...

Thanks for a good laugh in a rather sad time.

No problem...  To be honest, I could probably get away with spending $30.

[ratzerman]

I have a Gamestop receipt in my wallet from June 29 for a ME3 CE, paid in full. I can't believe I'm actually considering trying to get a refund. You think the CE will still be valuable once the game is out? You think I could sell it unopened for a profit?

Not trying to be dramatic. Seriously wondering.

Modifié par ratzerman, 01 mars 2012 - 02:10 .

[crimzontearz]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Tietj wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

dheer wrote...I just wanted to finish me3 with tali and garrus like I did me1 & 2. Instead they get to slowly starve to death. Thanks. God effing damnit.

I was so happy about getting the (almost) whole team back together, now to find out that they all die. F*** me.

I just find that so hard to believe. There is no way bioware would do that, just no way. Have all the favorites of fans just die alone? It makes no sense.  I can maybe understand a quick death, in an exploding ship, or being shot in the face. But being alone with no others of their species to slowly starve to death, completely isolated from the rest of the galaxy? It just doesn't add up. It seems exactly like something someone would make up to purposely upset people. 

They don't.  I'm somewhat pessimistic about the ending, and even I recognize that nobody anywhere has stated that the crew dies slowly and alone.  They crash on some planet, most likely with other ships, and found a colony, which figures in the epilogue. 

How are tali and garrus supposed to eat? Thats the big question. 

answered that many pages ago

[Fafner_Ni]

Crimsanity wrote...

Endings 1-7: galactic civilization is effectively destroyed. I thought that was what we were fighting to protect? Shepard fails at everything forever!

Which is hilarious considering the game has a Deus Ex Machina.

[Unit-Alpha]

ratzerman wrote...

I have a Gamestop receipt in my wallet from June 29 for a ME3 CE, paid in full. I can't believe I'm actually considering trying to get a refund.

You think the CE will still be valuable once the game is out? You think I could sell it unopened for a profit?

Not trying to be dramatic. Seriously wondering.

If this goes down as it seems to, prices will probably collapse within 2-3 weeks down to $30. After two months, there will be no market for this game.

[WvStolzing]

DaftArbiter wrote...

dheer wrote...

I just wanted to finish me3 with tali and garrus like I did me1 & 2. Instead they get to slowly starve to death. Thanks. God effing damnit.

Wrong. If you choose not to recruit either of them in ME3, they don't get Normandy-marooned, but they still show up for the final battle. In other words, if you romanced Tali, for example, you're better off doing her Rannoch missions and then saying "You're an admiral, yay!" so you can return to Earth after destroying the Guardian and reunite since she is GOING TO BE THERE.

Any such possibility for Liara?

I guess not. 

[kingsims]

She likes her character a lot and does not want her to die I assume (To be fair if she survives it means she gets another VO contract from Bioware).

[The_Crazy_Hand]

Hyrist wrote...
I love how people assume companies have endless time and money to funnel into the game, and anything remotely similar they have to cry 'laziness!'

But putting asside the technical limitations: You've got your endings wrong. 'everyone has to die' is not the endings available to you. Yes, the worlds get seperated when the Crucible gets used, that does not mean everyone chokes and dies. It means the Galaxy will never be the same again.

Spin that pesimisticly if you choose, but 'the possibilities are endless' can be spoken for the far off future of the ME universe as well. But every choice in the ending comes with a sacrafice.

I'm not sure why you seem so intent on making it seem that wanting an ending patch (something which has been done before, mind you) is being overly demanding or anything.  Really the main problem is that certain parts of the ending are static, not so much that there's bleakness all around, that seems to be a lesser concern, though still a concern.

[madhatterwriter]

Draconus96 wrote...

I think at some point, we all figured out - even if we didn't want to admit it to ourselves - that given the sheer magnitude of the threat presented by the reapers, there weren't going to be any happy endings. I was pissed at first, but after giving it some thought, Bioware couldn't have done it without making the game seem cliche, cheesy, trite, etc. Shepard's good, but even he can't put Humpty-Dumpty back together again. The lesson here being, there can be no victory without sacrifice. Bottom line, play the game, have fun, and give the ending, whatever happens, a little bit of thought.

I disagree. The opposite is also true: too much sacrifice and victory is meaningless. In my opininion, BioWare did a poor job of making at least one of the endings have the right balance of "bitter" and "sweet". Instead they opted for  cliches, that's right cliche, emo/The *Insert epicish person* story endings that doesn't make them look original or even smart storytelling. If they wanted bittersweet ending then bioware needs to play Final Fantasy 7. Now that was how bittersweet is done!

Anyways, I'm going to do what another member suggested and cancel my preorder so I can see it's even worth my 90 dollars because there are other awesome rpgs coming up around the same time to spend money on: Xenoblade and The Last Story .

[Sashimi_taco]

crimzontearz wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Tietj wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

dheer wrote...I just wanted to finish me3 with tali and garrus like I did me1 & 2. Instead they get to slowly starve to death. Thanks. God effing damnit.

I was so happy about getting the (almost) whole team back together, now to find out that they all die. F*** me.

I just find that so hard to believe. There is no way bioware would do that, just no way. Have all the favorites of fans just die alone? It makes no sense.  I can maybe understand a quick death, in an exploding ship, or being shot in the face. But being alone with no others of their species to slowly starve to death, completely isolated from the rest of the galaxy? It just doesn't add up. It seems exactly like something someone would make up to purposely upset people. 

They don't.  I'm somewhat pessimistic about the ending, and even I recognize that nobody anywhere has stated that the crew dies slowly and alone.  They crash on some planet, most likely with other ships, and found a colony, which figures in the epilogue. 

How are tali and garrus supposed to eat? Thats the big question. 

answered that many pages ago

Well can you answer it again, please? I don't read every post of every thread, it is hard to keep up on. 

[Jacy Pane]

PosterAnonymous wrote...

Screw it - If I want to spend $90 and be left unsatisfied I'll take my girlfriend to a nice restaurant and have her tell me she's "too tired" afterwards...

Dude, that's the itis.  Get her some jewelry next time.

[Insanityxiii]

I honestly don't mind the relays blowing up in some endings, but at least provide one sunshine and rainbows ending because no matter how much you want a realistic ending a part of you wants the characters who you have built a relationship with over 3 games to make it out alright at least once.

[Unit-Alpha]

WvStolzing wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

dheer wrote...

I just wanted to finish me3 with tali and garrus like I did me1 & 2. Instead they get to slowly starve to death. Thanks. God effing damnit.

Wrong. If you choose not to recruit either of them in ME3, they don't get Normandy-marooned, but they still show up for the final battle. In other words, if you romanced Tali, for example, you're better off doing her Rannoch missions and then saying "You're an admiral, yay!" so you can return to Earth after destroying the Guardian and reunite since she is GOING TO BE THERE.

Any such possibility for Liara?

I guess not. 

Nope, she either dies with you there during the end part, or end up stranded on a planet, never to see Shepard again. Good stuff for us Liara fans.