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[Computim]

MeldarthX wrote...

Computim wrote...

segurissima wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

segurissima wrote...

I know this is nothing new or what haven’t been said so far, just to share my thoughts. I have bought the Final Hours on ipad yesterday and went through it. I had the impression that BW has put a lot passion into the game, and they really wanted to give us a fantastic game, incorporating fan feedback, but the leaks and the time pressure did not help the situation. (…so many good scenes cut out) As for the game ending, I think they were sincerely convinced that it will be OK. Now they are shocked over the reactions and try to do damage control as any big company would. This will, or is already, hitting their sales numbers and the reception of any ME related products in the future. I, for sure am not interested to replay the game, or buy any new content because I’ve lost interest after such a flat ending. And they know this. I cannot imagine that they will leave us, fans, without a proper remedy to this outrage about the ending, even if they defend the current product they know it could mean to the unsuccess of the franchise and any new MR related releases.
Hold the line!

On top of that there will be at least 50k people not buying any DLC and that's not including the people who don't buy DLC anyway so out of the hardcore customers (note the use of customer instead of fan) few will be buying anything that isn't a fix to this faux pas of an ending and even then if it is payed DLC there is gonna be a whole...whole lot of pirating.


Hold the line.

Agree. I think the 50k is even underestimated. There a lot of people who does not come to the forum, and does not actively participate in this movement. For sure there are a lot of new people coming ( like me, who never posted here before this) They have very deatailed statistics from the gameplay data and I think people with our opinion about the ending can easily exceed 50% of the RPG gamers; the ones who imported a ME1 game into ME3 according to statistics. (54%) That could result in hunderds of thousands of people.

Indeed!  My facebook account has at least 15 people that agree with me who I guarantee don't have accounts here.. I've only talked to two of them because I prefer to not flood my family/friends with angry rants haha.  I limited myself to one post about the awful ending (which ended up with nearly 90 comments), and one about the Child's Play charity run.  Some of them are still upset posting on FB about it.. Things like "Why Bioware Whyyyyyyy?" and "Hey Bioware -- you forgot to give me the ending to my game.  Plz send it asap"

How poles most go - if you're dealing with 1- 1,000,000 people - for every one vote  you times it by 10; after 1 million I'm not sure.....  pretty sure it goes up like 11 to 12 for each million would have to look it up.

But for the first million sales 54% of your target audience; hates the ending......that's a big; number......only 2% actually likes it.  those numbers are hard; but its a good reflection.......

they've shipped 3.5 million copies not sure if they've sold over 2 million yet or not.....but they have over a million so looking at that its - ok checked the math and that made my eyes hurt.  Its been a long time since I've looked at problems like that......

Someone else added up just the one poll here on BNS and its like running 96% hate the ending.....that tells you something........I've been watching twitter like made and its running for every 1 like; there is roughly 10 hates the ending.......

that's 90% ave........We can't give up now.....

HOLD THE LINE

They said 1.85mil sold including preorders for the first week.  it's why the price has dropped 25% on Amazon already.  They've got the other half of that 3.5mil in stock not selling.

Anyone who's read the articles leading up to the ME3 launch about the UK gaming store "Game".  They didn't stock ME3 because they couldn't get favourable credit terms with EA.  Betcha they could now ;P

Modifié par Computim, 17 mars 2012 - 06:02 .

[Iucounou]

Tira_Lu wrote...

can anyone of you good people sum up what happend in the last 1 1/2 days? Had to learn for a exam and could not activly seek out the forum (otherwise I would have stayed to long).

I think it sums up as follows:

Picture the scene from Alien where Ripley goes down to talk to Ash about a solution to the xenomorph on board the Nostromo.

"We're still collating." Ash tells her.

That's pretty much what Bioware are doing. Trying to make sense of it (as we all are) and come up with a solution.

[Tira_Lu]

Iucounou wrote...

Tira_Lu wrote...

can anyone of you good people sum up what happend in the last 1 1/2 days? Had to learn for a exam and could not activly seek out the forum (otherwise I would have stayed to long).

I think it sums up as follows:

Picture the scene from Alien where Ripley goes down to talk to Ash about a solution to the xenomorph on board the Nostromo.

"We're still collating." Ash tells her.

That's pretty much what Bioware are doing. Trying to make sense of it (as we all are) and come up with a solution.

thank you.

[malra]

Tonymac wrote...

I will maintain my hope.

One thing I was considering was how much work they would have to do if I see the happy ending I like - what a lot of people seem to like. I have not really fleshed it all out in my mind, but retirement and lots of little blue children sufficiently sums it up. There are alot of LI possibilities - it makes for a lot of work for them. It would require a good bit more voice acting, animation - all kinds of things go into a game that I do not know jack squat about. I don't want to be whiney and throwing a tantrum - putting them through all of this, but I do think that with a happier ending I could have replayability. Currently, I did one run on one import. I can't bring myself to do another.

In a way I feel like I have been rather bad to Bioware in my attitude. I loathe the ending. However, considering all but the ending - the game is really amazing. There is so much going on, so much quality of play and wonderful characters and sacrafices that it is a tear jerker. You feel for every loss, and struggle with every shot you take to make it right and count.

Only Bioware could deliver this kind of quality - I have to acknowlege that. I feel like I got on a bandwagon with my anger and raged. I'll stick to my guns and say I want it changed - but I still have to tip my hat to them for a really good game.

I will work on being more contructive and less of a rage monger. I will also maintian my faith in them - at least they are considering our viewpoints and stances.

only a deep emotional investment with a company, not just a game, produces this kind of response.

[Doomed Avatar]

Spanish fleet in position and ready for action, sir!

I've been reading you since I finished the game and I think that all of you are doing something great and i want to join you in this fight. I love the 98% of ME3 but I have to tell the world how frustated I am with this kind of "magic" ending (and the "almighty tri-color beam"). Even if the Indoctrination Theory is true, this trilogy doesn't deserve this kind of quick and inconsistent closure. Nor the trilogy, nor the fans.

Keep faith. Hold the line.

Sorry, if my english is bad, i'm doing my best to obtain the FCE.

[IxSITHxI]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Copy and pasted from the war assets thread:

mvdeane87 wrote...

Although the money number is pretty staggering, it looks like only about 2700 people have actually felt compelled to contribute. Since this is basically our version of a petition, that is basically saying we have over 40,000 pissed off people, but only 2700 took action. Come on guys, this is for a good cause, and even $1 from anyone who hasn't donated already (assuming that we do actually have a strength of 40k at least), would almost double what we have raised so far. Don't buy that soda, or that Starbucks coffee. Donate and HOLD THE LINE!

Welsh Inferno wrote...
I agree. More people should dig into there pockets and give what they can. 50,000 people gave $10 we would have HALF A MILLION DOLLERS. Give $20 and we would have a million. Come on people.

Donate: http://retakemasseff...ct-childs-play/

You're exactly right. I dont have too much spare cash laying around, paying for college and living costs etc, but I just donated 5 USD its not much but if a large number of people chip in it stacks up quickly.

Everyone can spare at least a few bucks, besides it goes to a very good cause.

Donate: retakemasseffect.chipin.com/retake-mass-effect-childs-play/

Happy St. Paddy's Day

Don't be a Selfish Man

Hold the Line.

[Iucounou]

They said 1.85mil sold including preorders for the first week.  it's why the price has dropped 25% on Amazon already.  They've got the other half of that 3.5mil in stock not selling.

The game has been severely review bombed on Amazon.com...a 2.2/5 last time I checked. Not much better on Amazon UK either.

To (mis)use another Alien quote.

"Whatever you're gonna do, do it fast!"

Modifié par Iucounou, 17 mars 2012 - 06:05 .

[sumo390]

Here for another day of holding the line

[Bubi7]

hgrant202 wrote...
I've been lurking for awhile and wanted to throw in my thoughts.
Over the years I've been involved in software releases that have gone south in a big way. I've been on the inside while people rage, deservedly so, against us. Most of us on the inside agreed with the customers but just couldn't admit it publicly. We'd have daily meetings on the status of the response, when we can say something, and how we can say it. To this day when I hear the word "blue" (our internal code word) I think of the phrase "development is aware of the issue". We said that a lot.

I've also worked for EA and have my name buried in the credits on some games. The folks I worked with really cared about the games, and took the quality of them very seriously, more seriously than a lot of places I've worked that were much larger companies. So I'm sure there are people at Bioware/EA right now that are just as sick as we are about all this. The folks I worked with at EA were gamers, and some of the most rabid ones I've ever known. Those folks are probably frothing at the mouth over this.

I can also say, that at no point did we ever think "we have their money, they can just shut up and go away". A one time sale is great, but repeat business keeps you alive. There is a lot of product out there, a lot of competition, losing any customers is a bad thing. It takes a lot of effort to win the disgruntled ones back, if you even can. Once it went bad, it turned into damage control, but damage control only to stop the bleeding while we had endless meetings on how to fix it. Endless meetings.
The big execs just wanted it fixed, the guys responsible for the software had to overcome their egos. No dev likes to be told they screwed up. Once the power play battles ended things would be sorted out and the customers made happy, or at least content.

These days I work as a producer in LA. So this article caught my eye, http://www.ibtimes.c...-review-dlc.htm
This is from the International Business Times discussing how the Mass Effect movie might quell the outrage. It also refrences the Forbes articles.

From my perspective, if I was the guy at Legendary who was developing the movie I would be concerned right now. Video game based movies are fickle sells. Look at Doom, who didn't love that game? It had a massive built in fanbase from the game who wanted a good movie. But the movie was bad, and it bombed.

Now jump to Mass Effect, does Legendary really want to drop $100-$200mill on a film where the fanbase is mad and you have to fight that while trying to make a good film? I can't imagine having to fight that battle, and dealing with the endless questions from people about how is the film going to make it up to the fans. Even providing for the built in delays, it will be years before it would be released (my bet is it would be tied to ME4 or another ME release). How many people will be at Comic-Con 2016 and ask "does the movie end as badly as ME3?", even if they fix ME3 today, they are still going to get that question. They are still going to get people dressed up as Maruader Shields, or people dressed in red/green/blue as "the ending".

I guess I'm just saying that this ending debacle has some definite unintended consequences. From the film production side of the universe, if I was Legendary, I'd be supportive of EA, not say a damn thing to anyone about it, but also be quietly asking EA to address it before it becomes more of a problem for me.

Hold the Line.

Thanks for the insight. The "people dressed in red/green/blue as "the ending". " is actually a great idea (I laughed hard )

The problem with a ME movie is the customisation of Shepard, which looks different for everyone. People watching the movie will not accept the actor as "their" Shepard, especially if their Shepard was female.
That's why I'd agree on making a movie which does not include Shepard at all (can be mentioned, of course).
More like including a few squadmates like Garrus, Liara, Wrex, Tali, or set cast like Aria, Feron, Aethyta, and so on.
My absolute favourite would be of course: * Blasto! 6 - Partners in crime *
I would watch that. Several times.

So, hold the line,
and Enkindle THIS!

[silencemayday]

Iucounou wrote...

The game has been severely review bombed on Amazon.com...a 2.2/5 last time I checked. Not much better on Amazon UK either.

german/austrian amazon doesn't look much better. 2.5 and 3 if i remember correctly.

[RussianOrc]

Brazilian fleet reporting.
I'll keep holding the line as long as i can.

[ARCTIC EAGLE]

Computim wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...

Computim wrote...

segurissima wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

segurissima wrote...

I know this is nothing new or what haven’t been said so far, just to share my thoughts. I have bought the Final Hours on ipad yesterday and went through it. I had the impression that BW has put a lot passion into the game, and they really wanted to give us a fantastic game, incorporating fan feedback, but the leaks and the time pressure did not help the situation. (…so many good scenes cut out) As for the game ending, I think they were sincerely convinced that it will be OK. Now they are shocked over the reactions and try to do damage control as any big company would. This will, or is already, hitting their sales numbers and the reception of any ME related products in the future. I, for sure am not interested to replay the game, or buy any new content because I’ve lost interest after such a flat ending. And they know this. I cannot imagine that they will leave us, fans, without a proper remedy to this outrage about the ending, even if they defend the current product they know it could mean to the unsuccess of the franchise and any new MR related releases.
Hold the line!

On top of that there will be at least 50k people not buying any DLC and that's not including the people who don't buy DLC anyway so out of the hardcore customers (note the use of customer instead of fan) few will be buying anything that isn't a fix to this faux pas of an ending and even then if it is payed DLC there is gonna be a whole...whole lot of pirating.


Hold the line.

Agree. I think the 50k is even underestimated. There a lot of people who does not come to the forum, and does not actively participate in this movement. For sure there are a lot of new people coming ( like me, who never posted here before this) They have very deatailed statistics from the gameplay data and I think people with our opinion about the ending can easily exceed 50% of the RPG gamers; the ones who imported a ME1 game into ME3 according to statistics. (54%) That could result in hunderds of thousands of people.

Indeed!  My facebook account has at least 15 people that agree with me who I guarantee don't have accounts here.. I've only talked to two of them because I prefer to not flood my family/friends with angry rants haha.  I limited myself to one post about the awful ending (which ended up with nearly 90 comments), and one about the Child's Play charity run.  Some of them are still upset posting on FB about it.. Things like "Why Bioware Whyyyyyyy?" and "Hey Bioware -- you forgot to give me the ending to my game.  Plz send it asap"

How poles most go - if you're dealing with 1- 1,000,000 people - for every one vote  you times it by 10; after 1 million I'm not sure.....  pretty sure it goes up like 11 to 12 for each million would have to look it up.

But for the first million sales 54% of your target audience; hates the ending......that's a big; number......only 2% actually likes it.  those numbers are hard; but its a good reflection.......

they've shipped 3.5 million copies not sure if they've sold over 2 million yet or not.....but they have over a million so looking at that its - ok checked the math and that made my eyes hurt.  Its been a long time since I've looked at problems like that......

Someone else added up just the one poll here on BNS and its like running 96% hate the ending.....that tells you something........I've been watching twitter like made and its running for every 1 like; there is roughly 10 hates the ending.......

that's 90% ave........We can't give up now.....

HOLD THE LINE

They said 1.85mil sold including preorders for the first week.  it's why the price has dropped 25% on Amazon already.  They've got the other half of that 3.5mil in stock not selling.

Anyone who's read the articles leading up to the ME3 launch about the UK gaming store "Game".  They didn't stock ME3 because they couldn't get favourable credit terms with EA.  Betcha they could now ;P

link to info please 

[Calesca]

Send a little (not!) mail to BW.

Hold the line!

[Alikan]

Full Blasto 6

Modifié par Alikan, 17 mars 2012 - 06:10 .

[Iucounou]

Bubi7 wrote...

Thanks for the insight. The "people dressed in red/green/blue as "the ending". " is actually a great idea (I laughed hard )

That's one of the things I find saddest about this whole affair. What was once a great game is being turned into a laughing stock. I know humour helps and I've laughed at a lot of the images on here as much as anyone - keep it coming! But it is also rather tragic that it has been reduced to this.

[Cybermortis]

Iucounou wrote...

Tira_Lu wrote...

can anyone of you good people sum up what happend in the last 1 1/2 days? Had to learn for a exam and could not activly seek out the forum (otherwise I would have stayed to long).

I think it sums up as follows:

Picture the scene from Alien where Ripley goes down to talk to Ash about a solution to the xenomorph on board the Nostromo.

"We're still collating." Ash tells her.

That's pretty much what Bioware are doing. Trying to make sense of it (as we all are) and come up with a solution.

The insiders view of the PR stratagy (Can someone repost the link please) seems to indicate that BW's PR department is running an accelerated damage control procedure. It appears that BW is currently stalling for time, most likely while the bosses there (and/or at EA) try to work out which would cost them more - making a new ending DLC or not making one. Based on (limited) information about sales and reaction to date, the impression I'm getting is that the odds in this respect are in our favour. 

We need to continue holding, remaining civil - ESPECIALLY towards the BW staff on these boards who should be given full credit for handling the situation in a suberb way even if they can't say anything - and don't let ourselves be sidetracked by shiney offers, meaningless statements or silence.

[Computim]

[quote]ARCTIC EAGLE wrote...

[quote]Computim wrote...

*snip*

[/quote]

They said 1.85mil sold including preorders for the first week.  it's why the price has dropped 25% on Amazon already.  They've got the other half of that 3.5mil in stock not selling.

Anyone who's read the articles leading up to the ME3 launch about the UK gaming store "Game".  They didn't stock ME3 because they couldn't get favourable credit terms with EA.  Betcha they could now ;P
[/quote]
link to info please 

[/quote]

http://www.gamepur.c...first-week.html

Google has 534 other articles related

[segurissima]

Doomed Avatar wrote...

Spanish fleet in position and ready for action, sir!

I've been reading you since I finished the game and I think that all of you are doing something great and i want to join you in this fight. I love the 98% of ME3 but I have to tell the world how frustated I am with this kind of "magic" ending (and the "almighty tri-color beam"). Even if the Indoctrination Theory is true, this trilogy doesn't deserve this kind of quick and inconsistent closure. Nor the trilogy, nor the fans.

Keep faith. Hold the line.

Sorry, if my english is bad, i'm doing my best to obtain the FCE.

Bienvenido al club! Hold the line.

[wicked_being]

Doomed Avatar wrote...

Spanish fleet in position and ready for action, sir!

Glad to have you with us soldier

[Darth_Acheron47]

Maybe it's just the good-will of the weekend getting to me, but I'm really starting to consider the chances that all of this could be intentional. (Not the outrage, per say, but at least the "ending" as it stands now.) The main reason for this? It seems like it would take an enormous amount of work to mess up so badly.

Fact of the matter is, BW is an amazing company. They've made some truly great games over the years. I personally couldn't get into DA:O or DA2 just because I'm not a huge fan of the fantasy genre (much preferring Sci-Fi) but I've heard mostly great things about them as well.

Mass Effect, as a whole, was brilliantly written and brought to life over the last several years. The third game was great except for the ending, and all in all they pulled things together beautifully and, I think, did a great job of sticking to the universe and the rules of their world. Sure, the sudden appearance of a giant space-gun that can kill the Reapers seemed a little convenient, but at least it was rooted somewhere in the lore and could be accepted as part of the story.

But I just can't see them messing up the ending this badly unless it was on purpose. It's like the ending of ME2 with the suicide mission - in order to get the "bad" ending where everyone dies, you have to INTENTIONALLY try for it. You have to REALLY try HARD to get that horrible a result out of what you've been doing.

Given the skill I've seen from BioWare over the years, starting when I got KOTOR in 2005, this just doesn't make sense. I can't believe they could mess up this badly this quickly right at the END of not only the game but also the trilogy.

Maybe I've just been drinking too much of the Indoctrination Theory Kool-Aid, but... I'm at least trying to be hopeful that this isn't the end of Commander Shepard. This brilliant, well-thought-out story simply cannot go out like this. That said, I'm going to stick to my (metaphorical) guns and wait this out until we get an answer, one way or another.

Reporting from Denver, holding the line.

[Cybermortis]

Doomed Avatar wrote...

Spanish fleet in position and ready for action, sir!

I've been reading you since I finished the game and I think that all of you are doing something great and i want to join you in this fight. I love the 98% of ME3 but I have to tell the world how frustated I am with this kind of "magic" ending (and the "almighty tri-color beam"). Even if the Indoctrination Theory is true, this trilogy doesn't deserve this kind of quick and inconsistent closure. Nor the trilogy, nor the fans.

Keep faith. Hold the line.

Sorry, if my english is bad, i'm doing my best to obtain the FCE.

Welcome aboard.

Your English, btw, is very good - better than many people on the net who claim it as a first language.

[Cro730]

It seems the maximum price people on ebay is about $45 US. For new copies.
The price of new copies of the game can be bought on amazon for around the same price, through third party sellers.
Seeing as it was released about 10 days ago, $15 is a big price drop.

[wicked_being]

Cybermortis wrote...

Iucounou wrote...

Tira_Lu wrote...

can anyone of you good people sum up what happend in the last 1 1/2 days? Had to learn for a exam and could not activly seek out the forum (otherwise I would have stayed to long).

I think it sums up as follows:

Picture the scene from Alien where Ripley goes down to talk to Ash about a solution to the xenomorph on board the Nostromo.

"We're still collating." Ash tells her.

That's pretty much what Bioware are doing. Trying to make sense of it (as we all are) and come up with a solution.

The insiders view of the PR stratagy (Can someone repost the link please) seems to indicate that BW's PR department is running an accelerated damage control procedure. It appears that BW is currently stalling for time, most likely while the bosses there (and/or at EA) try to work out which would cost them more - making a new ending DLC or not making one. Based on (limited) information about sales and reaction to date, the impression I'm getting is that the odds in this respect are in our favour. 

Here you go mate:
http://social.biowar.../index/10084349

[Welsh Inferno]

https://twitter.com/...078880172519425

Harby I love you.

[ARCTIC EAGLE]

[quote]Computim wrote...

[quote]ARCTIC EAGLE wrote...

[quote]Computim wrote...

*snip*

[/quote]

They said 1.85mil sold including preorders for the first week.  it's why the price has dropped 25% on Amazon already.  They've got the other half of that 3.5mil in stock not selling.

Anyone who's read the articles leading up to the ME3 launch about the UK gaming store "Game".  They didn't stock ME3 because they couldn't get favourable credit terms with EA.  Betcha they could now ;P
[/quote]
link to info please 

[/quote]

http://www.gamepur.c...first-week.html

Google has 534 other articles related
[/quote]
thanks, I'd be interested to see sales for 2nd and 3rd week, it would be a good way to judge the impact of retakeME3