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[juggernautze]

Just returned from my friendly local gaming shop. While there, I overheard a person talking about Mass Effect 3, so we ended up having a friendly debate about the merits of the ending. We both agreed that the game itself was great, but by the end of the conversation I feel that he had a better idea of our position on the ending.

Holding the line, one person at a time.

[Annaleah]

Mandemon wrote...

Speaking of CNN

DID YOU KNOW YOU CAN NOW PLAY AS FEMSHEP IN MASS EFFECT 3!?!?!?!

http://edition.cnn.c...ffect-3-review/

"
There are plenty of surprises throughout the game. The big one was the availability of a female Shepard, which was sought after by many fans of the franchise. "

Oh man... we might need to go to the news box for in-depth updates on this breaking news story.

[zephyrus92]

LPKerberos wrote...

Anyone have the E-mail adress to where I can send my letter?

The email address is contact@bioware.com

[TheBull]

i think an Update on Childsplay would be great

[Alamandorious]

TheBull wrote...

i think an Update on Childsplay would be great

Did one a page or two ago; we're within $1200 easy of hitting $60,000

[TSC_1]

So I just posted my thoughts over in the official suggestions thread. Take a look.

Modifié par TSC_1, 17 mars 2012 - 07:45 .

[bustyhog]

God I hope this all works out

[Pyewacket]

Mandemon wrote...

Speaking of CNN

DID YOU KNOW YOU CAN NOW PLAY AS FEMSHEP IN MASS EFFECT 3!?!?!?!

http://edition.cnn.c...ffect-3-review/

"
There are plenty of surprises throughout the game. The big one was the availability of a female Shepard, which was sought after by many fans of the franchise. "

Femshep?  No way!  All this time I had to play a really effeminate man!  Finally!

[TheBull]

^Simply Amazing

[malra]

someone has issued a challenge, if you have the child's play banner in your sig and bump his post, he or she will donate $11 every time, also total at $57,943

[Computim]

)/:/-/60

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Rubmifer wrote...

Computim wrote...

CNN tv just had an amazing piece I caught on my xm radio in the car. They basically are saying bioware is likely to release an update to fix the ending!!!!

You have an official source for that?

$)
Yeah, don't mean to be an ass or anything but you got something you can link us to?

Not at the moment 
 I'm waiting in line for a car wash haha will try when I get home

[Tyrsah]

TheBull wrote...

jedsithor wrote...

So what happens if Bioware do release Ending DLC and it turns out to be even worse?

I don't think that is possible.......at least i can't think of anything:?

It's a very real possibility, but I doubt it will become a reality. They know what we want. We've been respectful, we've been detailed and we've been vocal. It would be a horrible move on their part to knowingly betray us again. There are consequences for their actions and they are aware of this fact. If BioWare does indeed release the DLC we have been pushing for than I am willing to have enough faith in them to let them fix this. But if by some horrible twist of fate they squander their second chance, then they won't get a third from me.

[laughing sherpa girl]

LPKerberos wrote...

Alamandorious wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Computim wrote...

CNN tv just had an amazing piece I caught on my xm radio in the car. They basically are saying bioware is likely to release an update to fix the ending!!!!

We made it on CNN!? 

Hell yeah!  First Forbes, then CNN...we're hitting the real journalists!  Not just the game sites, but real journalists!

We won't forget the reviewers that have supported our views on the ending; we can't, and shouldn't.  But the fact that "real world"  media is taking note is nothing short of amazing.

If the "Real media is taking notice, it will be just more backup for us. It is amazing though...and the pressure is becoming even bigger now.

Dont get your hopes up. I just googled CNN Bioware Mass Effect 3 and although there were plenty of hits, the mosrt recent was dated the sixth of march..

[Bubi7]

Alamandorious wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Mandemon wrote...

Speaking of CNN

DID YOU KNOW YOU CAN NOW PLAY AS FEMSHEP IN MASS EFFECT 3!?!?!?!

http://edition.cnn.c...ffect-3-review/

"
There are plenty of surprises throughout the game. The big one was the availability of a female Shepard, which was sought after by many fans of the franchise. "

Face, meet palm.

Epic facepalm.

First I was like

then I needed both hands

at the end I realized one facepalm isn't enough

Picard is awesome by the way.

Modifié par Bubi7, 17 mars 2012 - 07:47 .

[Tyrsah]

malra wrote...

someone has issued a challenge, if you have the child's play banner in your sig and bump his post, he or she will donate $11 every time, also total at $57,943

Wow. Link?

[ajunta_]

Mandemon wrote...

There are plenty of surprises throughout the game. The big one was the availability of a female Shepard, which was sought after by many fans of the franchise. "

A few weeks ago I read the exactly same nonsense in the russian edition of MAXIM. What the hell, are these people even trying to study the subject they are writing about?

[Adam-Sadface]

TSC_1

Very well put.

[Pabloskie]

Annaleah wrote...

Mandemon wrote...

Speaking of CNN

DID YOU KNOW YOU CAN NOW PLAY AS FEMSHEP IN MASS EFFECT 3!?!?!?!

http://edition.cnn.c...ffect-3-review/

"
There are plenty of surprises throughout the game. The big one was the availability of a female Shepard, which was sought after by many fans of the franchise. "

Oh man... we might need to go to the news box for in-depth updates on this breaking news story.

Hold the phone! Your telling me you can play as a "female" Shepard? is this confirmed or is it more space magic ?

[malra]

malra wrote...

someone has issued a challenge, if you have the child's play banner in your sig and bump his post, he or she will donate $11 every time, also total at $57,943

info bump for those who want to know

[tompuddefoot]

Fulgrim88 wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Computim wrote...

CNN tv just had an amazing piece I caught on my xm radio in the car. They basically are saying bioware is likely to release an update to fix the ending!!!!

We made it on CNN!? 

Hell yeah! Who's like us?

Really?

Does that mean I can contemplate playing ME 1,2 and 3 again?

[Gi-Joe-Ge]

To all newcomers to this thread!

Please find below some important links you may want to follow.

Retake Mass Effect - Child's Play ***Please Donate***
http://retakemasseff...ect-childs-play

Poll About The Ending
http://social.biowar...606/polls/28989

EA/Bioware in Full PR Damage Control Mode ***Regularly UPDATED***
http://social.biowar...ndex/10084349/1

Retake Mass Effect Signature Templates
http://onima.org/ME3/index.php?zone=3

Retake Mass Effect on Facebook
http://www.facebook....ngToMassEffect3

Keep it civil and hold the line!

Modifié par Gi-Joe-Ge, 17 mars 2012 - 07:49 .

[Alamandorious]

Tyrsah wrote...

malra wrote...

someone has issued a challenge, if you have the child's play banner in your sig and bump his post, he or she will donate $11 every time, also total at $57,943

Wow. Link?

I would do this, but that would kill the two links in my sig >.<  They're there for new people to the cause to click.

[TheBull]

Bubi7 wrote...

Alamandorious wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Mandemon wrote...

Speaking of CNN

DID YOU KNOW YOU CAN NOW PLAY AS FEMSHEP IN MASS EFFECT 3!?!?!?!

http://edition.cnn.c...ffect-3-review/

"
There are plenty of surprises throughout the game. The big one was the availability of a female Shepard, which was sought after by many fans of the franchise. "

Face, meet palm.

Epic facepalm.

First I was like

then I needed both hands

at the end I realized one facepalm isn't enough

Picard is awesome by the way.

If you love Picard then watch this he also completed ME 3

[Conspicuous Cake]

Ffelan wrote...

Good read from the PR thread.
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redknight38 wrote:
So I am about to get a PhD in military history, with a specialty on insurgencies and conflict management. I'm not active military but what the hell. The gentleman in active duty was right-- this movement needs to get organized. Bioware has been getting better at playing by the PR handbook because they're getting a handle on things. Therefore they are in for the long haul and therefore people here have to be as well. That means getting organized and having consistent, coherent, simple and clear tactics and messaging. The Tea Party and the Occuppy movements both had to do that, hence their staying power after initial passionate outbursts.

How do insurgencies or even COIN ops operate?

1) Get a message out. So this Retake movement has to get a message out. Some suggestions have been offered: google bombing and review bombing. I have a lot of qualms about the latter because it has the potential to irreparably drive down the reviews to the point of not being able to repair it. Later, when this movement has become more articulated, you might be able to promise to attempt to drive that review rating up, however.

Either way, find a way to spread this on the Internet and build awareness for it. Have simple talking points and try to agree on them.

I suggest remaining polite and even being a little positive. You like ME, you don't hate Bioware. You just want changes. That'll build a sympathetic message because a key point in COIN and insurgencies is winning over neutrals.

2) Repeat the message as often as you can. Self-explanatory. However, it can't just be "I hate the ending" or "hold the line." You'll have to keep repeating your simple, bullet-pointed list of complaints. Groups like the IRA don't repeat long treatises (as I've been seeing on the boards) on their complaints. Nobody will read that. Keep it simple and keep it consistent.

That clearly means people on this forum will have to come to an agreement of the basic points they all agree with. The majority of resistance movements have internal problems and divisions that are often more important than external ones. The IRA, the VC, Mao, they all killed as many or more of their own members as their enemies. Failed insurgencies like the Philippine NPA did so to the detriment of their mission.

Incidentally, that means that instead of saying "bump" or "hold the line" or "I support this thread" you might want to say "don't play SP or MP" in trying to bump it. Something constructive. The message.

3) Disrupt the enemy's internal cohesion. Attacking Bioware people is highly counter-productive so no ambushing or isolating. These people are just doing their jobs and I sincerely doubt they're maliciously laughing at your discontent. Neither are they having money fights at your expense. Come on people, this is the gaming industry, not Goldman Sachs. These people are not rolling in it.

They try to humanize themselves to win your sympathy. DO THE SAME. Stop attacking Casey Hudson and the like but instead tell them you love the game, you always liked his writing and you always had faith in him. This will be easier because it's essentially true. Tell them you don't hate them, that you'll go back to the fold if they meet your demands.

What you are trying to do is build sympathy and win defectors. The biggest prize for an insurgency movement are defectors, especially high profile ones. In the case of this Retake thing, you want to do it so that during their meetings there will be someone advocating for you. Hopefully more than one someone. Incidentally, this might involve having to accept paid ending DLC. Much earlier in this thread I opined why it would have to be paid: remember, they claim the game is done. The story is finished to their satisfaction. Any ending DLC they release they can legitimately (i.e. in court) claim as bonus. You don't need to get it.

Be careful of them trying to do the same. They'll try to win you over so someone here will suddenly be advocating for them. Hence the skepticism regarding Mr. Lee. He came here and suddenly everybody was telling others to back off, the Bioware guys had a long week. This is true, and don't be rude to him. However, nobody was, but people were losing their skepticism and resolve.

4) Disrupt the enemy logistics which means disrupting sales. Since you can't meet them head-on, this is one thing you can do. However, threatening to boycott products not yet made is absolutely meaningless. Newsflash, if you threaten not to buy something a company has not yet made, what will they do? Not make them. Bioware hasn't lost money on products not yet made because they haven't sunk resources into making them and marketing them. If you threaten not to buy it, they will find another product, one which does not cater to you. The next Bioware game could therefore very well be a multiplayer game or a shooter. That being said, threatening to boycott Bioware in the future is not a bad idea since AGTHunter noted that it turned you into cautious consumers. You just have to do more.

However, they have ME3 now. I can guarantee you the sales of ME3 and its future content are part of their current budget plan and profit projection. It's part of their logistics. Disrupt that and you are actually making a message regarding their money.

You don't need to do anything dramatic but it might be hard. Too hard. Not playing SP and MP is honestly the best way to do it-- they track your playtime so by not playing you are telling them you are unhappy with the current product and will therefore not buy future DLC or anything of the sort. Since they alread have money sunk into your product, one likely response from Bioware is to attempt to find ways of luring you back since that would be easier than making an entirely new game. If you keep emphasizing you would love to be lured back if they meet your demands, even better. Remember that video games are actually cheaper than you think and a lot of their profitability comes from DLC so you do hold some leverage here.

Discouraging others from buying it works as well.

Not playing MP seems a no go since too many people want to. So be it-- it's their right and they're being smart consumers still. They paid for it, why not enjoy it? Don't criticize them for it. Someone suggested continuing the protest on MP and if it is possible change your name to reflect Retake or Hold the Line. Add it to your online avatar's name. I don't know if that's possible.

Basically-- if you kids are serious about this, remember a) this won't be easy and it'll take a while, there will be no clear win, insurgencies or COIN ops don't end cleanly, c) there is risk. There is always risk and you'll have to accept that. The biggest risk is that Bioware might simply abandon you and ME3. Another is that you might damage Bioware to the point that it can't make its games. I don't like that, you don't like that and it's why a lot of "haters" are mad at you. They have good cause, but that's beside your point.

One last cynical thing you can offer Bioware: if they meet your demands and you are happy... well you can essentially offer this online advocacy network to them. Most companies would give their right arms to have a passionate, far-reaching and dedicated group of people pushing their products for free.

So good luck to you kids.

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Something to think about.

Cake reporting in!

And, everyone, please read this!
We have to do something along the lines of what's explained here!

So, hold the line, and try and spread our message!
And please try not to play anything Bioware/EA, to show them how serious we are.

[malra]

Tyrsah wrote...

malra wrote...

someone has issued a challenge, if you have the child's play banner in your sig and bump his post, he or she will donate $11 every time, also total at $57,943

Wow. Link?

http://social.biowar...dex/9845819/182