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[LittleDeadGirl]

unclee wrote...

Unfortunately, in the end, I feel like that's going to be their main thing to hold against us. Taking a look through that thread, it's a lot of people asking for things that they specifically wanted in the ending or looking for sunshine and rainbows. The minority of people who are giving well rouded feedback and critiques (i.e. just wanting an ending that makes sense) are far outweighed by the former.

With so many people posting that I fear Bioware will take the thread and say, "See? People are just mad because they wanted what they specifically envisioned as the ending."

It might if it get's too out of hand but I read a lot of posts that said just an ending that makes senses. I know some people want that AND blah blah blah and the AND part varies but I saw almost everyone that I read and granted that wasn't pages and pages because I have shor attention spant but I saw alot of people mention the ending making sense. That's all I want. I don't care about Shepard dying. I don't care about blue babies (I was Kaiden and Thane you silly Liara lovers... ). I just want an ending that makes logical sense. That's all. An apology and a promise they won't pull such a stunt again would be nice too.

[Benirus]

Witchfinder General wrote...

Norwegian fleet reporting in.

Have not fallen for their "lots of speculation for everyone!" doctrine or their double talk. Avoid indoctrination. Retake ME3.

Hold the Line

Welcome back kinsman^_^ Remember to send you're e-mail to contact@bioware.com today.

[ziyon conqueror]

Well, here was my e-mail I sent:

Dear Bioware,

This e-mail is being sent to you in support of the #RetakeMassEffect movement.

I am a loyal customer who has been a fan of the Mass Effect series since the beginning, as well as KOTOR, SWTOR and Dragon Age. And currently, I am dissatisfied with the current endings for Mass Effect 3.

I truly admire your work. Bioware has created fantastic and magical worlds within well-written stories. And I'm not telling you how to do your jobs. I am only expressing my hope that you will be able to come out with a fresh DLC that will give us closure to the Mass Effect universe. Not only would it please myself, but the countless other loyal customers who have enjoyed your games for years. We believe that Commander Shepard could reach a more heroic ending, where we beat the odds like in the previous two games.

Sincerely and holding the line,

[bustyhog]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

bustyhog wrote...

Fans:You've kept him alive so he can die at the proper moment. You've been raising him like a pig for slaughter,
Bioware: Don't tell me now, that you've come to care for Shepard

(cue space magic)

Fans: always

Please, remember, we're consumers and fans. But we're consumers first. Many of us pre-ordered the game, or bought it while trying to avoid spoilers, and thus were unaware, early on, of what would be in store for us. We were lied to by the PR machine, and we have rights as such. Beyond the lies, I have a strong feeling most of the people who are upset about this ending are in the 25-40 demographic (or close to it). We are mature, civil, intelligent consumers. We are not flailing thirteen year olds who obsess over every little detail. Some of us grew up memorizing every fact about Star Wars or Star Trek, sure, but that doesn't change the fact that we are all very intelligent and, most importantly, people. Everyday people. We bought a product that neither lived up to expectations nor delivered on its promises.

We hold the real power, here. And we have chosen, rather than going to authorities - which we are in every right to do, I might add - to attempt to engage in dialogue with the corporation of EA/BioWare. The fact that they are throwing PR tactics at us left and right, far faster than they have been used before, means they are desperate. But we will endure. We will hold the line. The fact that we have endured means we are not a small group of rabid teenage fans, that we have a legitimate grievance. And that we can stay organized.

What the PR people don't recognize is how their company is on shakier ground than they think. Because we are legion, because we are right, because we are consumers, they don't stand a chance. We have taken them to task, and if they fail we are the ones who have legal rights to pursue further - to take them not just to task, but to court. We are the ones who are giving them an opportunity to make things right. I hope against hope that they do not squander this opportunity. Because, we will hold the line.

agreed on some points. I myself am 25 and I am here to support the movement (obviously).

Taking them to court....maybe a bit far but I can appreciate how you are feeling. Try to stay calm and keep that line

I got your back.

[Ashtarth1]

Marauder Shields

Don't play MP

Do this instead:
http://i.imgur.com/FPanY.jpg

[MeldarthX]

Hey folks checking in -

I just posted this in the ME3 suggested changes forum


Right; there has been some awesome posts -

I'll just cliff note because most have covered everything already.

One - Starchild goes against cannon set in the other games - you find out ME 1 - Reapers control the Cid; not the other way around; Its a giant relay that they use to spring upon goverment to take out the leaders - makes it easier then to wipe out the civis. Reason why this fails is because Proth set up the sabatosh*sp*

Two - blowing up a mass Relay - again cannon shows us - you take one out - bye bye solar system. Its a super nova like blast. Talk about wth moment. You've just become the worst genocide in history. You have wiped out the galaxy in one of 3 color coded choices.

3 - what the hell happened to Dark matter? It was pretty big in ME 1; and it was everywhere in ME 2?? So suddenly Dark matter is gone; we don't know why it was threat; if it was or what the hell was it? Did it just decide to pack up and go into a black hole? You can't leave that massive amount of cannon of the end - or if you're setting up for later - make sure you write it in.

4 - Macduff - Deus Ex Machina endning - sorry as a writer - there's no excuse for this. Its weak writing. I know I'm sounding harsh; but as writers we have to be willing to deal with it. This is why we work with publishers and they smack us around when we want to do something like this. You gave us so many amazing stories within here; just in ME3 alone; Mordin dieing curing Geophage - amazing - Legion - Thane - emergency induction port........Come on; I dont' need to say more.

5 - you said there are amazing 16 different endings. No there is one ending that pallette change. Ok, Ok; I'll give the fact you blow up the earth or big ben also. So 3 slightly pallette colored changing endings; or as one poor soul tweeted. One as he's color blind. That is all that needs to be said there.

6 - Quest system; what happened to it?? its there but then hides from you going; you got to guess if you've complete; oh you failed timed mission. There was a timed mission?!?! This is supposed to be an rpg; working quest log is a must.

7 - What happened to being able to go up and randomly talk to anyone? I so missed that in ME3 - I loved the fact in ME 1 and ME 2 I could talk to anyone; didn't matter they would talk to me. If they have something to say to me; they would; or they'd blow me off; but at least they'd talk to me...and not just snub me

Right that's out of the way.

What was done right? Most of the game; I mean even the bits with the quest log and not being able to talk to anyone. That didn't bug me all that much as the stories were that well put together. You really crafted those well - this wasn't just Shepard's story - this was our Shepard's story. We were living it; feeling it breathing it. That's success.

Indoctrintion - if you actually meant it; its a great way to write yourself out of this mess of an ending. Set up final fight with Harbringer or TIM if you still want; or both? War assets allow to see how we actually do. I mean the amount of fire power we're hold is bigger than anything the Reapers ever seen even with Protheans. I can easily see why they tried to take down Shepard right then and there. You take out the leader; the system........you take the fight out rest of them. You don't.......you're screwed.

This wasn't a bittersweet ending because to end - is to give closure. There was none; this was like a 1930's radio cliffhanger with Rockteer - Lone Ranger. I'd prefer to have the chance to actually pull off the impossible again - that's the legend - that is what we've built over the last 3 games. Doing the impossible; never giving up hope.......

I'd love to have blue babies with Liara with this build I have with Shepard; or my other one - build that house for Tali.....

Sure if we screw up - don't bring enough war assets; we die; you can even set it up for reapers to wipe us out; bittersweet.......we win but our Shepard dies in getting that win. Those we can live with. Choices - we were told they'd matter. We weren't going to get A, B or C ending.......and you weren't doing a Lost....

Right now the way the ending is - you've done all three - If rumors are true; this was done because of the leak - and DLC "The Truth" is actually coming - but its not finalized as you're getting our input. I will bow to you and say bravo - because then - closure - being actually able to win or not - you will have insanely pulled off - indoctrinating not just our Shepards.........but us also - thus creating one of the best games I've played ever. Even with those small niggles......

I sign this;

Meldarth Shepard - I WILL HOLD THE LINE

[BCMakoto]

Ashtarth1 wrote...

Marauder Shields

Don't play MP

Do this instead:
http://i.imgur.com/FPanY.jpg

It is...too sad. After Garrus and Liara have left me to die on earth, ran away. Can I ever look into their eyes again the same way until this is fixed?

[ArmyKnifeX]

bustyhog wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

bustyhog wrote...

Fans:You've kept him alive so he can die at the proper moment. You've been raising him like a pig for slaughter,
Bioware: Don't tell me now, that you've come to care for Shepard

(cue space magic)

Fans: always

Please, remember, we're consumers and fans. But we're consumers first. Many of us pre-ordered the game, or bought it while trying to avoid spoilers, and thus were unaware, early on, of what would be in store for us. We were lied to by the PR machine, and we have rights as such. Beyond the lies, I have a strong feeling most of the people who are upset about this ending are in the 25-40 demographic (or close to it). We are mature, civil, intelligent consumers. We are not flailing thirteen year olds who obsess over every little detail. Some of us grew up memorizing every fact about Star Wars or Star Trek, sure, but that doesn't change the fact that we are all very intelligent and, most importantly, people. Everyday people. We bought a product that neither lived up to expectations nor delivered on its promises.

We hold the real power, here. And we have chosen, rather than going to authorities - which we are in every right to do, I might add - to attempt to engage in dialogue with the corporation of EA/BioWare. The fact that they are throwing PR tactics at us left and right, far faster than they have been used before, means they are desperate. But we will endure. We will hold the line. The fact that we have endured means we are not a small group of rabid teenage fans, that we have a legitimate grievance. And that we can stay organized.

What the PR people don't recognize is how their company is on shakier ground than they think. Because we are legion, because we are right, because we are consumers, they don't stand a chance. We have taken them to task, and if they fail we are the ones who have legal rights to pursue further - to take them not just to task, but to court. We are the ones who are giving them an opportunity to make things right. I hope against hope that they do not squander this opportunity. Because, we will hold the line.

agreed on some points. I myself am 25 and I am here to support the movement (obviously).

Taking them to court....maybe a bit far but I can appreciate how you are feeling. Try to stay calm and keep that line

I got your back.

I only raised that because, AFAIK, nobody has pursued the consumer-rights aspect in the games industry. If so, Peter Molyneux would spend his life in court XD

I also agree that it is extreme, as well.

[Gi-Joe-Ge]

Goikiu wrote...

 Dear commanders,

Mass Effect 3 Resource Site of Extranet updated - 
http://onima.org/ME3/index.php 

If you wand to add/change/delete info please mail me (you can find info on footer of that site) or pm vboy23, thanks all

and

Hold The Line. 

Goikiu, this is awesome. However with the background you chose it is very difficult to read.

[Tyranniac]

unclee wrote...

Teleraine wrote...

That official suggestion thread scares the living daylights outta of me, the quotes are like a page long. Also I feel quite sad for just wishing a happy ending that makes sense when theres like these epic novels posted up by passionate gamers.

I just want to enjoy my games they dont need to present high minded viewpoints of the human condition or anything.

Unfortunately, in the end, I feel like that's going to be their main thing to hold against us. Taking a look through that thread, it's a lot of people asking for things that they specifically wanted in the ending or looking for sunshine and rainbows. The minority of people who are giving well rouded feedback and critiques (i.e. just wanting an ending that makes sense) are far outweighed by the former.

With so many people posting that I fear Bioware will take the thread and say, "See? People are just mad because they wanted what they specifically envisioned as the ending."

Making sense is not enough. Shepard has to be able to act like Shepard, and choices need to matter. And there's never going to be a sunshine and rainbows ending. The galaxy will have a hard time recovering no matter what, and a lot of people close to most Shepards have been lost.

Wanting a specially tailored ending -is- too much to ask.

Wanting an ending worth fighting for, where Shepard has a chance for a future with LI and friends is not too much to ask however. There needs to be an end worth fighting for if one tries hard enough. This is just as important to me anyway as having the ending make sense.

[TheBull]

Ashtarth1 wrote...

Marauder Shields

Don't play MP

Do this instead:
http://i.imgur.com/FPanY.jpg

With that ending to a Franchise pretty hard to do

[Sevantha]

AtlasMickey wrote...

I'm sorry you guys are so upset... I don't mean that in a patronizing way because I really wish everyone could be as happy and satisfied with the ending as I am. I love Mass Effect, start-to-finish, and I'd think that if there's any place to express that love and share it, it'd be in a fan forum. Where did all the fans go? I know you're going to say that it's because you're fans that you're demanding a better ending, but I'm here to say that it couldn't have ended any other way. 

So you are saying that because we didn't like the ending we aren't fans anymore?

[Cybermortis]

Someone made the point that we need to outline exactly what it is we are asking for, beyond 'a changed ending'.

Here goes *gulp*

We want...Shepard to live, Shepard to die. Shepard to ride off into the sunset with his friends, to retire with the love of his life, to become the hero of the ages or to be mourned for making the ultimate sacrifice. We want to see the effects of our decisions through 3 games, which races rose and which fell. We want to know if our companions fade into obscurity or rise to greatness.

We want closure, we want sense we want to be able to make these choices based on all three games.

We want the ending we were told we would get.

[Iucounou]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

Please, remember, we're consumers and fans. But we're consumers first. Many of us pre-ordered the game, or bought it while trying to avoid spoilers, and thus were unaware, early on, of what would be in store for us.

This is sooo true for me. I went out of my way to avoid any kind of spoiler for the game, because I wanted to not know what was coming.  I wanted to be surprised.

</sarcasm on>

That worked out well for all of us, didn't it!

</sarcasm off>

Modifié par Iucounou, 17 mars 2012 - 08:44 .

[Goodwood]

Sevantha wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

I'm sorry you guys are so upset... I don't mean that in a patronizing way because I really wish everyone could be as happy and satisfied with the ending as I am. I love Mass Effect, start-to-finish, and I'd think that if there's any place to express that love and share it, it'd be in a fan forum. Where did all the fans go? I know you're going to say that it's because you're fans that you're demanding a better ending, but I'm here to say that it couldn't have ended any other way. 

So you are saying that because we didn't like the ending we aren't fans anymore?

It would seem that he believes that this is so. I don't agree, but I support his right to say this.

[J5550123]

Sevantha wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

I'm sorry you guys are so upset... I don't mean that in a patronizing way because I really wish everyone could be as happy and satisfied with the ending as I am. I love Mass Effect, start-to-finish, and I'd think that if there's any place to express that love and share it, it'd be in a fan forum. Where did all the fans go? I know you're going to say that it's because you're fans that you're demanding a better ending, but I'm here to say that it couldn't have ended any other way. 

So you are saying that because we didn't like the ending we aren't fans anymore?

It definitely could have had a better/good ending, I think.

[Goikiu]

Gi-Joe-Ge wrote...

Goikiu wrote...

 Dear commanders,

Mass Effect 3 Resource Site of Extranet updated - 
http://onima.org/ME3/index.php 

If you wand to add/change/delete info please mail me (you can find info on footer of that site) or pm vboy23, thanks all

and

Hold The Line. 

Goikiu, this is awesome. However with the background you chose it is very difficult to read.

Pm me with better Background image / color and text color  (links too) i won't care changing it. 

[Nharia1]

What the latest news? past 7 hours or so.

[Jimmie_Rox]

Went for supplies, what's new in the past 50 odd pages?

[Tasker]

Aeyl wrote...
It was destroyed. Saren did not want you following him.

Are you sure?

Even after about 60 playthrought I can't remember myself.

Just dug out my Guide book to check and it says the race to the conduit is because the conduit is in a state of flux after Saren passing through it and it's  about to shut down.

So in theory it's still there and could have been re-powered up.

[BCMakoto]

Tyranniac wrote...

unclee wrote...

Teleraine wrote...

That official suggestion thread scares the living daylights outta of me, the quotes are like a page long. Also I feel quite sad for just wishing a happy ending that makes sense when theres like these epic novels posted up by passionate gamers.

I just want to enjoy my games they dont need to present high minded viewpoints of the human condition or anything.

Unfortunately, in the end, I feel like that's going to be their main thing to hold against us. Taking a look through that thread, it's a lot of people asking for things that they specifically wanted in the ending or looking for sunshine and rainbows. The minority of people who are giving well rouded feedback and critiques (i.e. just wanting an ending that makes sense) are far outweighed by the former.

With so many people posting that I fear Bioware will take the thread and say, "See? People are just mad because they wanted what they specifically envisioned as the ending."

Making sense is not enough. Shepard has to be able to act like Shepard, and choices need to matter. And there's never going to be a sunshine and rainbows ending. The galaxy will have a hard time recovering no matter what, and a lot of people close to most Shepards have been lost.

This.

I have said several times, that the ending can be sad, bittersweet or even happy...only the events leading to it have to be appropirate.
I would love to see an end where Shepard lives based on the good and meaningfull decisions I have made before. But I would be also feel good having an end where Shepard dies the next time I play because the decisions were not that good in those saves.

But what I want is that my Shepard actually stays Shepard. In no way he would simply accepted the star-childs arguments, or not even questioned them. He would have proven it wrong.

[Zaki1991]

Orkboy wrote...

Just finished the game a couple of hours ago.

Before hand I thought - "Surely it can't be that bad can it?"

Frell me - how wrong I was.

After nearly 2000 hours of gameplay spread across all 3 ME games. It comes down to some stupid Starchild that nobody has ever heard any mention of before - let alone seen. Giving you a choice between doors 1, 2 or 3 like some presenter on a quiz show.

Christ, that has to be the most disapointing, jarring, tacked on, mockery of an ending that i've ever witnessed.

It makes playing the entire trilogy pointless.

Seriously, the moment Shepard starts making the run for the light beam. The game turns into a farce.

Somebody at Bioware must be a fan of Gainax, because if there was ever a Gainax ending - this it it.


Oh and on a side note...

Why did they have to go the Earth route to get to the Citadel anyway?  Why not just go to Ilos and use the conduit?

Vote please: 
http://social.biowar...6&poll_id=28989 
We are almost at 55 000

[TheBull]

Cybermortis wrote...

Someone made the point that we need to outline exactly what it is we are asking for, beyond 'a changed ending'.

Here goes *gulp*

We want...Shepard to live, Shepard to die. Shepard to ride off into the sunset with his friends, to retire with the love of his life, to become the hero of the ages or to be mourned for making the ultimate sacrifice. We want to see the effects of our decisions through 3 games, which races rose and which fell. We want to know if our companions fade into obscurity or rise to greatness.

We want closure, we want sense we want to be able to make these choices based on all three games.

We want the ending we were told we would get.

I Agree with every single point, i also wanted those endings

[Wearyanna]

Cybermortis wrote...

Someone made the point that we need to outline exactly what it is we are asking for, beyond 'a changed ending'.

Here goes *gulp*

We want...Shepard to live, Shepard to die. Shepard to ride off into the sunset with his friends, to retire with the love of his life, to become the hero of the ages or to be mourned for making the ultimate sacrifice. We want to see the effects of our decisions through 3 games, which races rose and which fell. We want to know if our companions fade into obscurity or rise to greatness.

We want closure, we want sense we want to be able to make these choices based on all three games.

We want the ending we were told we would get.

This describes in short very accurately, exactly what should have been delivered for a satisfying ending. I agree to this!
Wearyanna out

[Goodwood]

Nharia1 wrote...

What the latest news? past 7 hours or so.

http://social.biowar...6873/1#10136873