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[Jacy Pane]

On a more serious note. There's a reason why I saved Garrus in ME2, damnit. My Shepard wants them to be together in the end, holding one another right before they explode or something.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

If you choose not to recruit either of them in ME3, they don't get Normandy-marooned, but they still show up for the final battle. In other words, if you romanced Tali, for example, you're better off doing her Rannoch missions and then saying "You're an admiral, yay!" so you can return to Earth after destroying the Guardian and reunite since she is GOING TO BE THERE.

And the VS Survivors also can get booted to Earth, too.

In other words, anyone concerned about Tali/Garrus/Kaidan/Ashley can pretty much stop worrying, and exploit the plot to save whichever characters interest them.

But anyone that cares about Liara gets royally f***ed.

And this is why I'm putting together a mod team to try to rectify the endings for ALL characters.

Even the VS/Dextro solutions are really loopholes. I don't think Bioware intended things to work out that way, a few people just did the math and figured out you can backdoor the Tali/Garrus/VS romance...ahem.

[Cyricsservant101]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Cyricsservant101 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

WvStolzing wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

dheer wrote...

I just wanted to finish me3 with tali and garrus like I did me1 & 2. Instead they get to slowly starve to death. Thanks. God effing damnit.

Wrong. If you choose not to recruit either of them in ME3, they don't get Normandy-marooned, but they still show up for the final battle. In other words, if you romanced Tali, for example, you're better off doing her Rannoch missions and then saying "You're an admiral, yay!" so you can return to Earth after destroying the Guardian and reunite since she is GOING TO BE THERE.

Any such possibility for Liara?

I guess not. 

Nope, she either dies with you there during the end part, or end up stranded on a planet, never to see Shepard again. Good stuff for us Liara fans.

It's not much better for us Team Dextro fans. . .  Dammit, Bioware!  You went the lazy route and now you're going to try to characterize it as "edgy".

It'd be nice having your LI not marooned to some random planet, never to be heard from again.

True, but I can't recruit my two favorite characters (i.e. Shep's road dog and his love interest) without them starving to death a few weeks after the end of ME3.

[Nyaore]

DaftArbiter wrote...

If you choose not to recruit either of them in ME3, they don't get Normandy-marooned, but they still show up for the final battle. In other words, if you romanced Tali, for example, you're better off doing her Rannoch missions and then saying "You're an admiral, yay!" so you can return to Earth after destroying the Guardian and reunite since she is GOING TO BE THERE.

And the VS Survivors also can get booted to Earth, too.

In other words, anyone concerned about Tali/Garrus/Kaidan/Ashley can pretty much stop worrying, and exploit the plot to save whichever characters interest them.

Mhm, at the very least there's a way to exploit the game for the LI's to live with Shepard in the end. Still, won't be the same without Joker and the Normandy there. But, at least there IS a way to save the LIs I guess.

Modifié par Nyaore, 01 mars 2012 - 02:22 .

[Natsunomiko21]

DaftArbiter wrote...

If you choose not to recruit either of them in ME3, they don't get Normandy-marooned, but they still show up for the final battle. In other words, if you romanced Tali, for example, you're better off doing her Rannoch missions and then saying "You're an admiral, yay!" so you can return to Earth after destroying the Guardian and reunite since she is GOING TO BE THERE.

And the VS Survivors also can get booted to Earth, too.

In other words, anyone concerned about Tali/Garrus/Kaidan/Ashley can pretty much stop worrying, and exploit the plot to save whichever characters interest them.

If you tell those companions to sod off the normandy, you miss their LI quests and interactions. That's the whole point.

Sure, I can tell Kaidan to go train his biotic kiddos and see him fighiting on earth, but the whole LI quests will be missed and all we can get from there is the headcanon thing (if we chose the destroy ending and shepard lives).
I'm sorry but that still bugs me. 
I still don't understand how the hell shepard is separated from his/her 2 squad mates. 

At least your LI should be with you to the bitter end.

[Dean_the_Young]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

It'd be nice having your LI not marooned to some random planet, never to be heard from again.

How could you know?

If you hear about it, then clearly someone else could get there. Like, say, any of the countless FTL ships that still remain in the ME universe.

[Karimloo]

Hyrist wrote...

I think it's time for me to Blackout BSN. Some of these conjectures are beyond the bounds of all reason. This is hysteria at its worst.

Bioware, if you're reading this, don't reactivate the forums after maintence tomorrow. BSN needs a longer time-out.

Yeah, you're the shining example of reason and logic. And BioWare is your buddy you casually talk to.

[me12343455]

why couldn't they just make an ending where shep, LI, crew crash land on a planet. Earth is ok but in the stone ages and all relays are destroyed. shep humps the sh*t out his/her LI and they make a colony. There should also be a scene where shep is out plowing a field cuz he's a farmer now; then LI comes out wiht a glass of water shep takes it drinks then they put there arms at each others back while watching the suns (two suns)set. camra pans out, then credits role, after credits could be far in the future but with an old man telling the story about the shepard.

[Unit-Alpha]

Cyricsservant101 wrote...

True, but I can't recruit my two favorite characters (i.e. Shep's road dog and his love interest) without them starving to death a few weeks after the end of ME3.

If it weren't an option to recruit Liara, I would do it in a heartbeat.

Yes, I have said I would rather (a) have her die at the end or ( never recruit her.

I never thought I would say those words.

[WarBaby2]

Jacy Pane wrote...

On a more serious note. There's a reason why I saved Garrus in ME2, damnit. My Shepard wants them to be together in the end, holding one another right before they explode or something.

Yea, well, your vision did not correspond wih what BW had in mind for Shepard and crew... and I think that is the biggest problem most people here have... it never was OUR story afterall, it was BWs, period.

[cerberus1701]

Capeo wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

154 pages of, "OMFG, the game didn't gimmie an ending where it rains happy and everyone gets a free puppy."

Can we hit 200?

Gee, you're like the five millionth person to say that same old crap.  Find someone on here who is asking for rainbows and puppies.  You won't and that's why you have no point.  BW promised choice and didn't deliver on it.  You're fine with that?  Good.  That othere people aren't isn't your problem..

Sung to the tune of "Jingle Bells":

(Me ,me, me, me, me, me. Me, me, me, me, me.)

Bioware, like any other RPG delivered choice.....within the overall narrative of the story they wanted to tell.

ME has never been about Shep, or the crew coming out on top unscathed. It has always been about the sacrifices they were all willing to make for the greater good.

So, if all the endings are accurate and the crew is always some variation of screwed, it's not a shock. Play musical chairs with the martyrdom devil and sooner or later you're going to be left without a chair when the music stops and asked to actually make that sacrifice..

"Fight for the lost." (Not for a better end for themselves)

"We fight for the people standing when it's all over." (Not for a better end for themselves)

If Shep were looking for a happy ending for himself and those closest to him, he would have been better off selling out to the Reapers when he was basically offered a survival pass if he joined up with them in the last two games.

But it was never about his/her own happiness.

All roads pretty much led here, and the fact that you didn't see it and are now all so enraged by it is almost nonsense.

Shep's cool with the endings because all this was about giving everyone else a chance, not himself.

Cancel your preorders, go cry, fume here for another 300 pages or whatever else you feel like you need to do, but don't act like you're actually hurting BW or EA or anyone else.

And, yes, I know that just ticks you all off more.  

[Unit-Alpha]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

It'd be nice having your LI not marooned to some random planet, never to be heard from again.

How could you know?

If you hear about it, then clearly someone else could get there. Like, say, any of the countless FTL ships that still remain in the ME universe.

What....

FTL travel is possible because of the mass relays...

which now no longer exist.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 01 mars 2012 - 02:23 .

[Capeo]

Hyrist wrote...

Karimloo wrote...

Hyrist wrote...

No, you're listing games without choice as refrence.

This is about making you choose the bad end. Making you personally, with your own mind, figure out your ending fate, and none of them being good.

You can't evade FFXIII-2's or RDR's endings, but you also can't really choose HOW you meet those endings either.

Here, you do. The consequence of that is much deeper. Here, you pick which dark fate holds the most hope. The superior level of impact can easily be measured by the rampaging negativity here - people don't want to choose a bad end. They would rather it be out of their hands. As much as I would like to get a 'happy-ish ending' from Bioware like anyone else. I have to give Kudos to Bioware for that.

So the only true ending at the end of a crisis is a definitive bad one where everyone has to die? It's the most "realistic" is that it?

The possibilities are endless, it's just laziness that reduced all the endings to be so similar. If you prefer the ending, it's your choice, not something that should be shoved down all of our throats. Kudos to what?

I love how people assume companies have endless time and money to funnel into the game, and anything remotely similar they have to cry 'laziness!'

But putting asside the technical limitations: You've got your endings wrong. 'everyone has to die' is not the endings available to you. Yes, the worlds get seperated when the Crucible gets used, that does not mean everyone chokes and dies. It means the Galaxy will never be the same again.

Spin that pesimisticly if you choose, but 'the possibilities are endless' can be spoken for the far off future of the ME universe as well. But every choice in the ending comes with a sacrafice.

Every choice comes to the same thing.  The galaxy is saved.  You can't fail at that once your reach the final decision.  Everything else is simplistic metrics of Shep lives/dies, earth lives/dies and Normandy lives/dies.  The relays are done no matter what and the galaxy is sent into a dark age no matter what.  We're left with so stunningly few choices in the end game it's a joke.  A game like FO New Vegas had half the budget, twice the dialog and tracked about 60 ongoing implications.  Budget and time is not the issue.  BW made the choice to remove our choice at the culmination of everything we've been working towards for years now.

[WvStolzing]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

If it weren't an option to recruit Liara, I would do it in a heartbeat.

Yes, I have said I would rather (a) have her die at the end or ( never recruit her.

I never thought I would say those words.

same here, mate...

[dheer]

DaftArbiter wrote...
If you choose not to recruit either of them in ME3, they don't get Normandy-marooned, but they still show up for the final battle. In other words, if you romanced Tali, for example, you're better off doing her Rannoch missions and then saying "You're an admiral, yay!" so you can return to Earth after destroying the Guardian and reunite since she is GOING TO BE THERE.

And the VS Survivors also can get booted to Earth, too.

In other words, anyone concerned about Tali/Garrus/Kaidan/Ashley can pretty much stop worrying, and exploit the plot to save whichever characters interest them.

So the only way to keep my team that's been thru all of me1 & 2 together is to meta game from spoilers and not actually keep the team together? What the hell?

[BobbyTheI]

I guess the major reason I'm upset about all this is that I've grown to love the Mass Effect universe so much.  Not even so much the characters, as the setting.  The whole galaxy-wide scale of the whole saga, a scale which after ME3 will completely cease to exist.

When they said there could be more Mass Effect games after 3, just without Shepard, I thought, "Awesome!  There are so many potential stories to tell within this universe!  Can't wait to see what they come up with!"  But now, I don't have any interest, because the universe of any future Mass Effect games is NOT the universe I came to enjoy so much.  The scale has shrunken down so drastically now that all the possibilities are severely limited.  Half the fun of a Mass Effect game is flying around to all the different systems and seeing the scope of it all.  And what scope do we have now?

From my viewpoint, there's only three possibilities for the future of Mass Effect:
1. The series now focuses on the Local Cluster or one of the other isolated systems post ME3, which doesn't have nearly the interest factor to me due to the limited scale.
2. The next games will be prequels or interquels, and will be exploring the history of events we already know about
3. They'll pull some science fiction mumbo jumbo out their asses to turn things back to the way they used to be, which defeats the whole purpose of ME3's ending in the first place.

Whatever path they choose, I just don't have much of an interest in any of them.  So for people who say the only folks who are upset are the ones who lose their happily-ever-after with their favorite character, I can tell you that's BS.

What I'm upset about is seeing one of my favorite fictional universes get knocked back to the stone age, and all the potential of its future ruined.

Plus, my waifu Jack's back on Earth waiting for me when I get the "Shepard lives" ending, so nyeah.

[kingsims]

Tali, Garrus, Ash/Kaiden fans rejoice they can be saved. So its a semi happy ending for you (even better if you like all three characters).

[Sashimi_taco]

No way. No way you have no choice in you LI dying. That is just too much to believe. That is the biggest bunch of bull**** I have heard. There is no way in hell that can possibly be true in any way. No bioware writer would be CRAZY enough to kill your LI when bioware fans of the LIs are just out of control in love with them. Having them on your squad with no way of them living? That is bull to no end. Even the testers would have told them that. Chris and all the other people who knew how the game goes would have said, "NO WAY".

No one is that dumb. That sounds like the biggest troll attempt I have ever heard.

Edit: In addition not being able to BE with them. You know every single person in each LI thread is waiting for a shep/li life together. 

Modifié par Sashimi_taco, 01 mars 2012 - 02:26 .

[Unit-Alpha]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

No way. No way you have no choice in you LI dying. That is just too much to believe. That is the biggest bunch of bull**** I have heard. There is no way in hell that can possibly be true in any way. No bioware writer would be CRAZY enough to kill your LI when bioware fans of the LIs are just out of control in love with them. Having them on your squad with no way of them living? That is bull to no end. Even the testers would have told them that. Chris and all the other people who knew how the game goes would have said, "NO WAY".

No one is that dumb. That sounds like the biggest troll attempt I have ever heard.

Oh, every LI has choices. Though for Liara it's forced marooning or death; for the rest, they can be war assets and survive or not and die.

Great choices.

[Dilos01]

crimzontearz wrote...

Dilos01 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...Dilos01 wrote...Man...this is nuts!  I hate to be in Bioware's shoes right now.  Honest to god, if it weren't for that "Space Edition" sweepstakes, then nobody would be talking about this.  Instead the whole place is turning into an effing powder keg!! Whoever came with that idea...well, it wasn't such a good idea now, was it?? maybe the same guy who came up with "press a button and something awesome happens"

I don't mind the awesome button that much than what this sweepstakes has done.  Ugh...did they honestly believe that people were going to keep quiet about what they saw in the game?!?  How could someone not see this coming?!?

how could the not see DA2's issues? How couldn't SK see the shortcomings in Too Human?

I've never even brought, or ever got into, either DA2 or Too Human.  But this whole leaked fiasco has reached a feverish point of no return!  Everyone ought to be anticipating the release date, not dwelling over how the whole game will end!  But no matter...I'm not going to be disappointed.  This is the final act.  Who doesn't want to finish their story?  I sure like to!

[CerberusSoldier]

Nyaore wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

If you choose not to recruit either of them in ME3, they don't get Normandy-marooned, but they still show up for the final battle. In other words, if you romanced Tali, for example, you're better off doing her Rannoch missions and then saying "You're an admiral, yay!" so you can return to Earth after destroying the Guardian and reunite since she is GOING TO BE THERE.

And the VS Survivors also can get booted to Earth, too.

In other words, anyone concerned about Tali/Garrus/Kaidan/Ashley can pretty much stop worrying, and exploit the plot to save whichever characters interest them.

Mhm, at the very least there's a way to exploit the game for the LI's to live with Shepard in the end. Still, won't be the same without Joker and the Normandy there. But, at least there IS a way to save the LIs I guess.

   


what about the ME 2 LI

[humes spork]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

If it weren't an option to recruit Liara, I would do it in a heartbeat.

You're not the only one.

Liara's rubbed me the wrong way ever since the first time I rescued her ungrateful blue butt from explodey volcano world, I had geth pelting me like rockets as if I were the only medic in a TF2 public lobby and an enraged krogan trying to bury himself quad deep, and the only thing she did was whine about how bad she had to make a tinkie.

[crimzontearz]

Dilos01 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...Dilos01 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...Dilos01 wrote...Man...this is nuts!  I hate to be in Bioware's shoes right now.  Honest to god, if it weren't for that "Space Edition" sweepstakes, then nobody would be talking about this.  Instead the whole place is turning into an effing powder keg!! Whoever came with that idea...well, it wasn't such a good idea now, was it?? maybe the same guy who came up with "press a button and something awesome happens"I don't mind the awesome button that much than what this sweepstakes has done.  Ugh...did they honestly believe that people were going to keep quiet about what they saw in the game?!?  How could someone not see this coming?!?

how could the not see DA2's issues? How couldn't SK see the shortcomings in Too Human?

I've never even brought, or ever got into, either DA2 or Too Human.  But this whole leaked fiasco has reached a feverish point of no return!  Everyone ought to be anticipating the release date, not dwelling over how the whole game will end!  But no matter...I'm not going to be disappointed.  This is the final act.  Who doesn't want to finish their story?  I sure like to!

I would like to replay the game dozens of times like I did with all other games in the series.....I might not be able to now