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[Cyricsservant101]

Dilos01 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Dilos01 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...Dilos01 wrote...Man...this is nuts!  I hate to be in Bioware's shoes right now.  Honest to god, if it weren't for that "Space Edition" sweepstakes, then nobody would be talking about this.  Instead the whole place is turning into an effing powder keg!! Whoever came with that idea...well, it wasn't such a good idea now, was it?? maybe the same guy who came up with "press a button and something awesome happens"

I don't mind the awesome button that much than what this sweepstakes has done.  Ugh...did they honestly believe that people were going to keep quiet about what they saw in the game?!?  How could someone not see this coming?!?

how could the not see DA2's issues? How couldn't SK see the shortcomings in Too Human?

I've never even brought, or ever got into, either DA2 or Too Human.  But this whole leaked fiasco has reached a feverish point of no return!  Everyone ought to be anticipating the release date, not dwelling over how the whole game will end!  But no matter...I'm not going to be disappointed.  This is the final act.  Who doesn't want to finish their story?  I sure like to!

I'd like to too, and I will... just not for $60.  It doesn't seem worth that price to me anymore. 

[Black_Vanguard]

Tietj wrote...

Abram730 wrote...

CptData wrote...

Pretty much what you said, OP.

In short:


BW told us, the endings won't make everybody happy.
Truth is: the endings will make everybody sad.


And that, fellow fans, is the only truth here. Lets shove that down their throat.

No rainbows and puppydog ending?
Count me in for 2 preorders now... I'm in .  That's it... I'm in for $160 on this one.

I can't wait!!! I CAN'T WAIT!!!!

I just don't understand why people are so happy that other people are deprived of something that means a lot to them.  It's a bit sadistic.  And pretentious.  But I'm glad you're happy.

[IMG]http://i.qkme.me/35d5y7.jpg[IMG]

Answer ^^^

Before I am flamed, I'd like to point out I'm mostly neutral and am just hear to see people argue. 

*Backs away very carefully*

[Tietj]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

If you choose not to recruit either of them in ME3, they don't get Normandy-marooned, but they still show up for the final battle. In other words, if you romanced Tali, for example, you're better off doing her Rannoch missions and then saying "You're an admiral, yay!" so you can return to Earth after destroying the Guardian and reunite since she is GOING TO BE THERE.

And the VS Survivors also can get booted to Earth, too.

In other words, anyone concerned about Tali/Garrus/Kaidan/Ashley can pretty much stop worrying, and exploit the plot to save whichever characters interest them.

Mhm, at the very least there's a way to exploit the game for the LI's to live with Shepard in the end. Still, won't be the same without Joker and the Normandy there. But, at least there IS a way to save the LIs I guess.

   


what about the ME 2 LI

Jacob and Thane romances are screwed no matter what.  I don't know about Miranda and Jack; as far as I can tell, they're not even mentioned in the ending. 

[Varonine]

So no matter what I do there's no ending where Shepard lives and the Earth and the rest of the galaxy are ok?
And that makes everything I did up until now was pointless?
I can't even see the player that I romanced in a flashback?
Seriously?

If they were going for a thought provoking emotional ending, they failed, miserably. Should've just stuck with at least 1 generic happy ending, seeing as how that's what some people chose.

[Capeo]

cerberus1701 wrote...

Capeo wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

154 pages of, "OMFG, the game didn't gimmie an ending where it rains happy and everyone gets a free puppy."

Can we hit 200?

Gee, you're like the five millionth person to say that same old crap.  Find someone on here who is asking for rainbows and puppies.  You won't and that's why you have no point.  BW promised choice and didn't deliver on it.  You're fine with that?  Good.  That othere people aren't isn't your problem..

Sung to the tune of "Jingle Bells":

(Me ,me, me, me, me, me. Me, me, me, me, me.)

Bioware, like any other RPG delivered choice.....within the overall narrative of the story they wanted to tell.

ME has never been about Shep, or the crew coming out on top unscathed. It has always been about the sacrifices they were all willing to make for the greater good.

So, if all the endings are accurate and the crew is always some variation of screwed, it's not a shock. Play musical chairs with the martyrdom devil and sooner or later you're going to be left without a chair when the music stops and asked to actually make that sacrifice..

"Fight for the lost." (Not for a better end for themselves)

"We fight for the people standing when it's all over." (Not for a better end for themselves)

If Shep were looking for a happy ending for himself and those closest to him, he would have been better off selling out to the Reapers when he was basically offered a survival pass if he joined up with them in the last two games.

But it was never about his/her own happiness.

All roads pretty much led here, and the fact that you didn't see it and are now all so enraged by it is almost nonsense.

Shep's cool with the endings because all this was about giving everyone else a chance, not himself.

Cancel your preorders, go cry, fume here for another 300 pages or whatever else you feel like you need to do, but don't act like you're actually hurting BW or EA or anyone else.

And, yes, I know that just ticks you all off more.  

Haha, saying the same crap again just differently still makes it the same old crap.  You still have absolutely no point.  Sending the entire galaxy into a dark age is a sacrifice.  It happens no matter what.  Removing any ability to actually have an ending where your crew fights with you to end and stays with you is lazy.  Having 3 endings with a couple variations goes against everything the series is based on, or at least waht BW liked to say it was based on.

Again, show me someone who wanted rainbows and puppies.  I asked for proof of your contention not more rationalization on your part.

[Unit-Alpha]

humes spork wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

If it weren't an option to recruit Liara, I would do it in a heartbeat.

You're not the only one.

Liara's rubbed me the wrong way ever since the first time I rescued her ungrateful blue butt from explodey volcano world, I had geth pelting me like rockets as if I were the only medic in a TF2 public lobby and an enraged krogan trying to bury himself quad deep, and the only thing she did was whine about how bad she had to make a tinkie.

Haha, I'm pretty sure we would be not recruiting her for different reasons.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 01 mars 2012 - 02:32 .

[SpiderFan1217]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

If you choose not to recruit either of them in ME3, they don't get Normandy-marooned, but they still show up for the final battle. In other words, if you romanced Tali, for example, you're better off doing her Rannoch missions and then saying "You're an admiral, yay!" so you can return to Earth after destroying the Guardian and reunite since she is GOING TO BE THERE.

And the VS Survivors also can get booted to Earth, too.

In other words, anyone concerned about Tali/Garrus/Kaidan/Ashley can pretty much stop worrying, and exploit the plot to save whichever characters interest them.

But anyone that cares about Liara gets royally f***ed.

  Blue does't make it? 

[Black_Vanguard]

Black_Vanguard wrote...

Tietj wrote...

Abram730 wrote...

CptData wrote...

Pretty much what you said, OP.

In short:


BW told us, the endings won't make everybody happy.
Truth is: the endings will make everybody sad.


And that, fellow fans, is the only truth here. Lets shove that down their throat.

No rainbows and puppydog ending?
Count me in for 2 preorders now... I'm in .  That's it... I'm in for $160 on this one.

I can't wait!!! I CAN'T WAIT!!!!

I just don't understand why people are so happy that other people are deprived of something that means a lot to them.  It's a bit sadistic.  And pretentious.  But I'm glad you're happy.

[IMG]http://i.qkme.me/35d5y7.jpg[IMG]

Answer ^^^

Before I am flamed, I'd like to point out I'm mostly neutral and am just hear to see people argue. 

*Backs away very carefully*

And my first attempt at posting a pic failed miserably. lol

[kingsims]

Sad ending..... joker nooooooooo...

Modifié par kingsims, 01 mars 2012 - 02:35 .

[TheCreeper]

This thread just goes to show me that most of BSN has no taste because the endings sound freaking awesome to me, but of course I liked DA2 (even though it was about as rushed as KOTOR2) So what do I know. I'll almost certainly enjoy it so frankly what do I care what you people think.

[crimzontearz]

Seriously...time to start looking for a new franchise

[Unit-Alpha]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

If you choose not to recruit either of them in ME3, they don't get Normandy-marooned, but they still show up for the final battle. In other words, if you romanced Tali, for example, you're better off doing her Rannoch missions and then saying "You're an admiral, yay!" so you can return to Earth after destroying the Guardian and reunite since she is GOING TO BE THERE.

And the VS Survivors also can get booted to Earth, too.

In other words, anyone concerned about Tali/Garrus/Kaidan/Ashley can pretty much stop worrying, and exploit the plot to save whichever characters interest them.

But anyone that cares about Liara gets royally f***ed.

  Blue does't make it? 

Dead or stranded on the remote planet with no way to get back.

[cerberus1701]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

"Fight for the lost." (Not for a better end for themselves)

"We fight for the people standing when it's all over." (Not for a better end for themselves)

If Shep were looking for a happy ending for himself and those closest to him, he would have been better off selling out to the Reapers when he was basically offered a survival pass if he joined up with them in the last two games.

But it was never about his/her own happiness.

All roads pretty much led here, and the fact that you didn't see it and are now all so enraged by it is almost nonsense.

Shep's cool with the endings because all this was about giving everyone else a chance, not himself.
 

So...saving a bunch of nameless digital masses I have no personal involvement with is supposed to be more satisfying/rewarding than relationships with fleshed out characters I've been cultivating for three games?  

You've spent so much time focusing on the individual trees that you've missed the forest, yes. The player knew almost from the start what Shep was doing this for and the price they were willing to pay to get it done.

[Cyricsservant101]

Capeo wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

Capeo wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

154 pages of, "OMFG, the game didn't gimmie an ending where it rains happy and everyone gets a free puppy."

Can we hit 200?

Gee, you're like the five millionth person to say that same old crap.  Find someone on here who is asking for rainbows and puppies.  You won't and that's why you have no point.  BW promised choice and didn't deliver on it.  You're fine with that?  Good.  That othere people aren't isn't your problem..

Sung to the tune of "Jingle Bells":

(Me ,me, me, me, me, me. Me, me, me, me, me.)

Bioware, like any other RPG delivered choice.....within the overall narrative of the story they wanted to tell.

ME has never been about Shep, or the crew coming out on top unscathed. It has always been about the sacrifices they were all willing to make for the greater good.

So, if all the endings are accurate and the crew is always some variation of screwed, it's not a shock. Play musical chairs with the martyrdom devil and sooner or later you're going to be left without a chair when the music stops and asked to actually make that sacrifice..

"Fight for the lost." (Not for a better end for themselves)

"We fight for the people standing when it's all over." (Not for a better end for themselves)

If Shep were looking for a happy ending for himself and those closest to him, he would have been better off selling out to the Reapers when he was basically offered a survival pass if he joined up with them in the last two games.

But it was never about his/her own happiness.

All roads pretty much led here, and the fact that you didn't see it and are now all so enraged by it is almost nonsense.

Shep's cool with the endings because all this was about giving everyone else a chance, not himself.

Cancel your preorders, go cry, fume here for another 300 pages or whatever else you feel like you need to do, but don't act like you're actually hurting BW or EA or anyone else.

And, yes, I know that just ticks you all off more.  

Haha, saying the same crap again just differently still makes it the same old crap.  You still have absolutely no point.  Sending the entire galaxy into a dark age is a sacrifice.  It happens no matter what.  Removing any ability to actually have an ending where your crew fights with you to end and stays with you is lazy.  Having 3 endings with a couple variations goes against everything the series is based on, or at least waht BW liked to say it was based on.

Again, show me someone who wanted rainbows and puppies.  I asked for proof of your contention not more rationalization on your part.

Don't you get it?

Billions dead, intergalactic travel eliminated, Normandy crew stranded = hardcore, deep, emotional ending.
Billions dead, intergalactic travel eliminated, Normandy crew not stranded = Unrealistic sushine and gumdrops ending for the Disney crowd.

[Unit-Alpha]

TheCreeper wrote...

This thread just goes to show me that most of BSN has no taste because the endings sound freaking awesome to me, but of course I liked DA2 (even though it was about as rushed as KOTOR2) So what do I know. I'll almost certainly enjoy it so frankly what do I care what you people think.

... then what the hell are you doing here?

[Prometheus75]

I bet Bioware/EA never do another space edition launch again. For what little they made from it as an advertising gimmick, they probably lost double in pre-order cancellations.

Modifié par Prometheus75, 01 mars 2012 - 02:36 .

[Jacy Pane]

At least Joker died with his baby.

[ratzerman]

It's hilarious that kicking an LI off the squad in order to establish a headcanon reunion is now considered "winning" on BSN.

[Capeo]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

WarBaby2 wrote...

Jacy Pane wrote...

On a more serious note. There's a reason why I saved Garrus in ME2, damnit. My Shepard wants them to be together in the end, holding one another right before they explode or something.

Yea, well, your vision did not correspond wih what BW had in mind for Shepard and crew... and I think that is the biggest problem most people here have... it never was OUR story afterall, it was BWs, period.

I don't think people are saying it isn't Bioware's story.  I think people are saying they think Bioware's story sucks.

Brilliantly said.

As an aside, BW has said this is our story in PR crap in the past.

[Tietj]

TheCreeper wrote...

This thread just goes to show me that most of BSN has no taste because the endings sound freaking awesome to me, but of course I liked DA2 (even though it was about as rushed as KOTOR2) So what do I know. I'll almost certainly enjoy it so frankly what do I care what you people think.

Enough to post in this thread apparently.  And for what it's worth, I liked DA2 as well. 

[Unit-Alpha]

ratzerman wrote...

It's hilarious that kicking an LI off the squad in order to establish a headcanon reunion is now considered "winning" on BSN.

It's an indicator of how far ME has fallen.

[cerberus1701]

TheCreeper wrote...

This thread just goes to show me that most of BSN has no taste because the endings sound freaking awesome to me, but of course I liked DA2 (even though it was about as rushed as KOTOR2) So what do I know. I'll almost certainly enjoy it so frankly what do I care what you people think.

I'm pretty much where you are.

(Note: KOTOR2 is Obsidian's rushjob, not BWs)

[Nyaore]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

If you choose not to recruit either of them in ME3, they don't get Normandy-marooned, but they still show up for the final battle. In other words, if you romanced Tali, for example, you're better off doing her Rannoch missions and then saying "You're an admiral, yay!" so you can return to Earth after destroying the Guardian and reunite since she is GOING TO BE THERE.

And the VS Survivors also can get booted to Earth, too.

In other words, anyone concerned about Tali/Garrus/Kaidan/Ashley can pretty much stop worrying, and exploit the plot to save whichever characters interest them.

Mhm, at the very least there's a way to exploit the game for the LI's to live with Shepard in the end. Still, won't be the same without Joker and the Normandy there. But, at least there IS a way to save the LIs I guess.

   


what about the ME 2 LI

I'm just hoping they're already on Earth and you can reunite with them if you get the best Destroy ending. A tiny bone is better than no bone. Doesn't mean we still can't complain about it though.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

ratzerman wrote...

It's hilarious that kicking an LI off the squad in order to establish a headcanon reunion is now considered "winning" on BSN.

In the cases of Tali and Garrus, it's not headcanon. If you romanced one or you're friends with both of them and Shep ends up on Earth and they do too, is it really far-fetched to see the implication of them reuniting?

It's not headcanon, it's just common sense.

[Sashimi_taco]

kingsims wrote...

Sad ending..... joker nooooooooo...

Why did i watch that?