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silencemayday wrote...
i thought about it.. even played with a design for a while and asked around on tumblr.
no one seemed really interested though, so i just held my mouth
here it is.
ArmyKnifeX wrote...
Don't forget to support our message.
We hold grievances with the current ending and EA/BioWare because:
- The game's ending fails to meet what we were promised as consumers.
- The game's ending fails to meet our expectations as fans.
- The response from BioWare needs to change.
- We have jobs, families, responsibilities. We dedicate our time to this cause because we genuinely care about Mass Effect and its story.
Retake Mass Effect 3 - Hold the line.
- We want to see a product that we, as human beings, as consumers, as fans, and as players can be proud of.
Show your support here:
http://social.biowar.../index/10146448
xHezz90 wrote...
Conspicuous Cake wrote...
christrek1982 wrote...
dono if this sort of comment has been posted or how well it will go down but this is another step we need to take as a group if what we are doing has any chance of working.
ok after reading the damage control thread I relized that it is time or soon will be time for the hard stuff.
1 we need to stop playing MP until Bioware agrees to our demands
2 only play SP in ofline mode not at all if at all possible
3 try not to buy any EA game or Bioware game until this is sorted to our satisfaction aftrall the game isn't going anywhere and if you wait maybe it will be on offer by the time this has be sorted.
4 Council your Star Wars the Old republic accounts your toons wont be going any where or getting deleted.
I know no one wants to do things like this but we all knew that this was not going to be easy but at the same time we are making progress we just need to keep the pressure on and there is no way we are going to win this without sacrifice.
So you need to ask yourself is a better ending to ME3 and in turn the whole franchise worth a few weeks away from Tor or other EA titles?
Come on guys we have done grate and a hell of a lot in a relatively short time. We are doing this for something we love.
Keep the pressure on and hold the line.
Yes!
Try to truly commit yourself to the cause.
Do not play anything EA/Bioware for the moment.
This won't be hard for me since I can't bring myself to actually pick up the control pad at all.
baronkohinar wrote...
silencemayday wrote...
i thought about it.. even played with a design for a while and asked around on tumblr.
no one seemed really interested though, so i just held my mouth
here it is.
Lol, that's what I was thinking about doing if I got a chance. Though it likely would have said either 'HOLD' or 'HELD' a variation on the original 'Hope'
Modifié par LPKerberos, 17 mars 2012 - 11:51 .
Sevantha wrote...
Computim wrote...
They really should have pushed back the release date.. shame they didn't.
Pushing back the release date of a game that's not yet quiet finished and needs a little more time isn't bioware/EAs strong side this year *cough* swtor *cough*
Conspicuous Cake wrote...
shephard987 wrote...
Everyone, we have lived in Shepard's armor for 5 years now.
Be it paragon or renegade, our Shepard fought for the good of the galaxy.
Giving us absurd endings to our own personal stories was over the line.
Now, we will rally the forces of Mass Effect fandom as Shepard had with the
races of the galaxy. In Shepard's spirit, we will hold the line.
Why? Because the galaxy, let alone Shepard, deserves better than this.
Bioware, if you do not heed our call, we will strike. But know we do not want to.
It might come down as numbers and pie charts and money to you,
but to us it is about the spirit of triumph. It is about justice.
Sacrifices will be made, if you do not listen and fix this debacle.
On both sides, mind you. However, for us, the sacrifice is already made,
knowing of what happens to our beloved universe.
Make this right. Or face our wrath.
My friends, we are one voice. As Legion would say,
WE ARE LEGION.
And we will never stop.
Do not lose hope.
Do not lose composure.
Shepard would never do either.
All of you know this.
If the Mass Effect universe is ended with this whimper,
we will make sure that so does Bioware.
Do not underestimate us.
WE are STRONG
Ooh, I like this!
Sevantha wrote...
vrumpt wrote...
You guys aren't helping any more with this "Hold the line" talk. We held the line, we got them to listen. They are now listening. Stop yelling at them and give them your feedback so they can start making this right. They understand we don't like the ending, they get it.
Stop being bullies already.
Knowing that we don't like it? They have known this for days now. Listening to us? Yes maybe, because it makes them look better in the eyes of most fans. As long as they don't say they will actually do something about this, we have to hold the line. We are not yelling at anyone, we are making sure, this doesn't just quiet down and die so they can move on to the next game.
We aren't being bullies, just because we keep each other company and motivated while hoping for this to change.
Maybe you should read the PR topic to understand why it's important not just to stop now.
Computim wrote...
Sevantha wrote...
Computim wrote...
They really should have pushed back the release date.. shame they didn't.
Pushing back the release date of a game that's not yet quiet finished and needs a little more time isn't bioware/EAs strong side this year *cough* swtor *cough*
Well if anything good comes out of this I'm pretty sure EA will demand it in the future haha. Their PR department is probably waking up in cold sweats seeing millions of gamers staring at them holding copies of ME3 over their heads in the dark of the night.
Computim wrote...
Sevantha wrote...
Computim wrote...
They really should have pushed back the release date.. shame they didn't.
Pushing back the release date of a game that's not yet quiet finished and needs a little more time isn't bioware/EAs strong side this year *cough* swtor *cough*
Well if anything good comes out of this I'm pretty sure EA will demand it in the future haha. Their PR department is probably waking up in cold sweats seeing millions of gamers staring at them holding copies of ME3 over their heads in the dark of the night.
silencemayday wrote...
baronkohinar wrote...
silencemayday wrote...
i thought about it.. even played with a design for a while and asked around on tumblr.
no one seemed really interested though, so i just held my mouth
here it is.
Lol, that's what I was thinking about doing if I got a chance. Though it likely would have said either 'HOLD' or 'HELD' a variation on the original 'Hope'
i do have some variations flying around (mostly something based on marauder/shields etc) but that's a pretty good idea. would you mind if i used it?
Nilofeliu wrote...
*snap*.Tyranniac wrote...
*snap*vrumpt wrote...
You guys aren't helping any more with this "Hold the line" talk. We held the line, we got them to listen. They are now listening. Stop yelling at them and give them your feedback so they can start making this right. They understand we don't like the ending, they get it.
Stop being bullies already.
Goodwood wrote...
Anyone here watched V for Vendetta?
If you have, try to remember V's speech to Evy when she realizes that the "prison" was a farce...
bwFex wrote...
I really have been trying to let myself get over this nightmare, but since you guys promise you're listening here, I'll try to just say it all, get it all out.
I have invested more of myself into this series than almost any other video game franchise in my life. I loved this game. I believed in it. For five years, it delivered. I must have played ME1 and ME2 a dozen times each.
I remember the end of Mass Effect 2. Never before, in any video game I had ever played, did I feel like my actions really mattered. Knowing that the decisions I made and the hard work I put into ME2 had a very real, clear, obvious impact on who lived and who died was one of the most astounding feelings in the world to me. I remember when that laser hit the Normandy and Joker made a comment about how he was happy we upgraded the shields. That was amazing. Cause and effect. Work and reward.
The first time I went through, I lost Mordin, and it was gut-wrenching: watching him die because I made a bad decision was damning, heartbreaking. But it wasn't hopeless, because I knew I could go back, do better, and save him. I knew that I was in control, that my actions mattered. So that's exactly what I did. I reviewed my decisions, found my mistakes, and did everything right. I put together a plan, I worked hard to follow that plan, and I got the reward I had worked so hard for. And then, it was all for nothing.
When I started playing Mass Effect 3, I was blown away. It was perfect. Everything was perfect. It was incredible to see all of my decisions playing out in front of me, building up to new and outrageous outcomes. I was so sure that this was it, this was going to be the masterpiece that crowned an already near-perfect trilogy. With every war asset I gathered, and with every multiplayer game I won, I knew that my work would pay off, that I would be truly satisfied with the outcome of my hard work and smart decisions. Every time I acquired a new WA bonus, I couldn't wait to see how it would play out in the final battle. And then, it was all for nothing.
I wasn't expecting a perfect, happy ending with rainbows and butterflies. In fact, I think I may have been insulted if everyone made it through just fine. The Reapers are an enormous threat (although obviously not as invincible as they would like us to believe), and we should be right to anticipate heavy losses. But I never lost hope. I built alliances, I made the impossible happen to rally the galaxy together. I cured the genophage. I saved the Turians. I united the geth and the quarians. And then, it was all for nothing.
When Mordin died, it was heartwrenching, but I knew it was the right thing. His sacrifice was... perfect. It made sense. It was congruent with the dramatic themes that had been present since I very first met Wrex in ME1. It was not a cheap trick, a deus ex machina, an easy out. It was beautiful, meaningful, significant, relevant, and satisfying. It was an amazing way for an amazing character to sacrifice themself for an amazing thing. And then it was all for nothing.
When Thane died, it was tearjerking. I knew from the moment he explained his illness that one day, I'd have to deal with his death. I knew he was never going to survive the trilogy, and I knew it wouldn't be fun to watch him go. But when his son started reading the prayer, I lost it. His death was beautiful. It was significant. It was relevant. It was satisfying. It was meaningful. He died to protect Shepard, to protect the entire Citadel. He took a life he thought was unredeemable and used it to make the world a brighter place. And then it was all for nothing.
When Wrex and Eve thanked me for saving their species, I felt that I had truly accomplished something great. When Tali set foot on her homeworld, I felt that I had truly accomplished something great. When Javik gave his inspiring speech, I felt that I had inspired something truly great. When I activated the Citadel's arms, sat down to reminisce with Anderson one final time, I felt that I had truly accomplished something amazing. I felt that my sacrifice was meaningful. Significant. Relevant. And while still a completely unexplained deus ex machina, at least it was a little bit satisfying.
And then, just like everything else in this trilogy, it was all for nothing.
If we pretend like the indoctrination theory is false, and we're really supposed to take the ending at face value, this entire game is a lost cause. The krogans will never repopulate. The quarians will never rebuild their home world. The geth will never know what it means to be alive and independent. The salarians will never see how people can change for the better.
Instead, the quarians and turians will endure a quick, torturous extinction as they slowly starve to death, trapped in a system with no support for them. Everyone else will squabble over the scraps of Earth that haven't been completely obliterated, until the krogans drive them all to extinction and then die off without any women present. And this is all assuming that the relays didn't cause supernova-scaled extinction events simply by being destroyed, like we saw in Arrival.
And perhaps the worst part is that we don't even know. We don't know what happened to our squadmates. We didn't get any sort of catharsis, conclusion. We got five years of literary foreplay followed by a kick to the groin and a note telling us that in a couple months, we can pay Bioware $15 for them to do it to us all over again.
It's not just the abysmally depressing/sacrificial nature of the ending, either. As I've already made perfectly clear, I came into this game expecting sacrifice. When Mordin did it, it was beautiful. When Thane did it, it was beautiful. Even Verner. Stupid, misguided, idiotic Verner. Even his ridiculous sacrifice had meaning, relevance, coherence, and offered satisfaction.
No, it's not the sacrifice I have a problem with. It's the utter lack of coherence and respect for the five years of literary gold that have already been established in this franchise. We spent three games preparing to fight these reapers. I spent hours upon hours doing every side quest, picking up every war asset, maxing out my galactic readiness so that when the time came, the army I had built could make a stand, and show these Reapers that we won't go down without a fight.
In ME1, we did the impossible when we killed Sovereign. In ME2, we began to see that the Reapers aren't as immortal as they claim to be: that even they have basic needs, exploitable weaknesses. In ME3, we saw the Reapers die. We saw one get taken down by an overgrown worm. We saw one die with a few coordinated orbital bombardments. We saw several ripped apart by standard space combat. In ME1, it took three alliance fleets to kill the "invincible" Sovereign. By the end of ME3, I had assembled a galactic armada fifty times more powerful than that, and a thousand times more prepared. I never expected the fight to be easy, but I proved that we wouldn't go down without a fight, that there is always hope in unity. That's the theme we've been given for the past five years: there is hope and strength through unity. That if we work together, we can achieve the impossible.
And then we're supposed to believe that the fate of the galaxy comes down to some completely unexplained starchild asking Shepard what his favorite color is? That the army we built was all for nothing? That the squad whose loyalty we fought so hard for was all for nothing? That in the end, none of it mattered at all?
It's a poetic notion, but this isn't the place for poetry. It's one thing to rattle prose nihilistic over the course of a movie or ballad, where the audience is a passive observer, learning a lesson from the suffering and futility of a character, but that's not what Mass Effect is. Mass Effect has always been about making the player the true hero. If you really want us to all feel like we spent the past five years dumping time, energy, and emotional investment into this game just to tell us that nothing really matters, you have signed your own death certificate. Nobody pays hundreds of dollars and hours to be reminded how bleak, empty, and depressing the world can be, to be told that nothing we do matters, to be told that all of our greatest accomplishments, all of our faith, all of our work, all of our unity is for nothing.
No. It simply cannot be this bleak. I refuse to believe Bioware is really doing this. The ending of ME1 was perfect. We saw the struggle, we saw the cost, but we knew that we had worked hard, worked together, and won. The ending of ME2 was perfect. We saw the struggle, we saw the cost, but we knew that we had worked hard, worked together, and won.
Taken at face value, the end of ME3 throws every single thing we've done in the past five years into the wind, and makes the player watch from a distance as the entire galaxy is thrown into a technological dark age and a stellar extinction. Why would we care about a universe that no longer exists? We should we invest any more time or money into a world that will never be what we came to know and love?
Even if the ending is retconned, it doesn't make things better. Just knowing that the starchild was our real foe the entire time is so utterly mindless, contrived, and irrelevant to what we experienced in ME1 and ME2 that it cannot be forgiven. If that really is the truth, then Mass Effect simply isn't what we thought it was. And frankly, if this is what Mass Effect was supposed to be all along, I want no part of it. It's a useless, trite, overplayed cliche, so far beneath the praise I once gave this franchise that it hurts to think about.
No. There is no way to save this franchise without giving us the only explanation that makes sense. You know what it is. It was the plan all along. Too much evidence to not be true. Too many people reaching the same conclusions independently.
The indoctrination theory doesn't just save this franchise: it elevates it to one of the most powerful and compelling storytelling experiences I've ever had in my life. The fact that you managed to do more than indoctrinate Shepard - you managed to indoctrinate the players themselves - is astonishing. If that really was the end game, here, then you have won my gaming soul. But if that's true, then I'm still waiting for the rest of this story, the final chapter of Shepard's heroic journey. I paid to finish the fight, and if the indoctrination theory is true, it's not over yet.
And if it's not, then I just don't even care. I have been betrayed, and it's time for me to let go of the denial, the anger, the bargaining, and start working through the depression and emptiness until I can just move on. You can't keep teasing us like this. This must have seemed like a great plan at the time, but it has cost too much. These people believed in you. I believed in you.
Just make it right.
xHezz90 wrote...
This won't be hard for me since I can't bring myself to actually pick up the control pad at all.
Modifié par KHReborn, 17 mars 2012 - 11:56 .
Seems like it, working now tho.KHReborn wrote...
chipin is having heavy traffic being down?
jerobolod wrote...
Conspicuous Cake wrote...
christrek1982 wrote...
dono if this sort of comment has been posted or how well it will go down but this is another step we need to take as a group if what we are doing has any chance of working.
ok after reading the damage control thread I relized that it is time or soon will be time for the hard stuff.
1 we need to stop playing MP until Bioware agrees to our demands
2 only play SP in ofline mode not at all if at all possible
3 try not to buy any EA game or Bioware game until this is sorted to our satisfaction aftrall the game isn't going anywhere and if you wait maybe it will be on offer by the time this has be sorted.
4 Council your Star Wars the Old republic accounts your toons wont be going any where or getting deleted.
I know no one wants to do things like this but we all knew that this was not going to be easy but at the same time we are making progress we just need to keep the pressure on and there is no way we are going to win this without sacrifice.
So you need to ask yourself is a better ending to ME3 and in turn the whole franchise worth a few weeks away from Tor or other EA titles?
Come on guys we have done grate and a hell of a lot in a relatively short time. We are doing this for something we love.
Keep the pressure on and hold the line.
Yes!
Try to truly commit yourself to the cause.
Do not play anything EA/Bioware for the moment.
I've been playing the latest game my games rental place sent me; FEAR 3. Or under it's correct pronunciation; Fuh-Three-Arrrr!
I have to say, one of the few games that could be improved by the addition of space magic.
Speaking of motto, I would definitely like the scene of alliance marines singing something like "Let the reapers hit the floooooor!" in game.KHReborn wrote...
Also "Hold the line!" is our motivotional motto.
Computim wrote...
Well if anything good comes out of this I'm pretty sure EA will demand it in the future haha. Their PR department is probably waking up in cold sweats seeing millions of gamers staring at them holding copies of ME3 over their heads in the dark of the night.
Sevantha wrote...
Computim wrote...
They really should have pushed back the release date.. shame they didn't.
Pushing back the release date of a game that's not yet quiet finished and needs a little more time isn't bioware/EAs strong side this year *cough* swtor *cough*
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