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[cotheer]

magnetite wrote...

kingsims wrote...

This game has all bad endings for shepard.

Unless I play the full game, not going to believe it. They did say the plot has changed since the leak.

I believe the discussion is about more rescent "leak", not the last year one.

[Eradyn]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

It'd be nice having your LI not marooned to some random planet, never to be heard from again.

How could you know?

If you hear about it, then clearly someone else could get there. Like, say, any of the countless FTL ships that still remain in the ME universe.

...You do realize that FTL drives are a very slow method (that requires a great deal of fuel that would not be easily found post-Reapers) of traversing the galaxy, yes? I mean...you do understand the scale of the galaxy.  Right?

And that's not even touching on the whole "marooned on an unknown, presumably uncharted planet without any means of making contact with someone who might happen nearby...which is statistically unlikely."

Modifié par Eradyn, 01 mars 2012 - 03:07 .

[mariatea]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

magnetite wrote...

kingsims wrote...

This game has all bad endings for shepard.

Unless I play the full game, not going to believe it. They did say the plot has changed since the leak.

Not since it went gold and they sent the space copies up.

And PC version is floating around internet... 

[Unit-Alpha]

DifferentD17 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Dilos01 wrote...

Bebbe777 wrote...

Dilos01 wrote...

This still doesn't change anything!  I refuse to believe any "rumors" on how it will all end!  You can take those leaked informations with a grain of salt.  Because there is no way in hell that a company like Bioware would deliberately shoot down their own franchise like this.  What would drive someone to do such actions like this!?  It just boggles my mind.

BW is probably tired of the franchise and want to move on to something stupid

Pray tell, what could be stupider??  HUH??

An FPS. Like Call of Duty.

Well if they can make $15 for tiny map packs they could make in a day or two...

Just you want for ME3 DLC. It's gonna be exactly this.

[DifferentD17]

Icinix wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

AlphaJarmel wrote...

So Joker leaves you for dead and decides to bail with your entire crew and gets caught in an explosion?

Lol he never said sorry for getting you killed in ME2... I think he's been trying to kill you the whole time!

The rest of that ending shows a cloned TIM staring at a picture of Joker on his desk as he raises his scotch glass and mumbles "You wil be remembered."

And then he winks... and everything gets weird...

[Bluko]

I think I'll brake my little vow of this silence this once, namely because I feel some sense is warranted here. And I can understand why some people are less then pleased for sure, but throwing a tantrum is really pointless in this instance. Also just to make it clear this is not exactly how I would have wanted the series to end either. Of course for me this realization came to me when I first played ME2 and found the Reapers were not anything close to what I had hoped them to be. But saying this is a "bad" ending just because it doesn't end the way you'd like it is going a bit overboard. 

To me there were only two ways this series could have ever ended:

-All Reapers and Reaper technology is destroyed in an effort to the end the Reaper threat, since as long as their technology remains there always remain the risk of them being "reborn". Sovereign told us they deliberately leave the Mass Relays, Citadel, etc. so that we presumably become more like them and thus easier to transform into Reapers. It's not really a secret the Reapers are malevolent. They are by no means what we consider nice, polite, or diplomatic. From our standpoint they are suppose to be "evil". In which case they can be thought of as machine devils. Now like typical fantasy you can kill the Demon. But generally speaking it's not a good idea to pick-up the Demon's Sword. Cause it either corrupts you, curses you, or whatever. And it's basically the same thing here. If you really want defeat the Reapers you have to beat them in a pyrrhic victory, since really that should be the only way to stop something so powerful.

-The Reapers are defeated, but only in the short run. Making our victory mostly a temporary one. Personally I would have preferred this. For me the Reapers would be much more menancing if they were a Universal Threat and not something unique to our Galaxy. The idea Reapers could exist everywhere in unfathomable numbers is a truly terrifying thought. And the idea the Reapers we defeated in the Milky Way were only a small host plays a bit with the idea that maybe the Reapers can't really be defeated. And that their claim to superiority is not just boasting. Only problem with this is we did defeat them. So while they may be very powerful they can at least be stopped to some degree. Which probably lends to the idea that we can always "win", because we're special. So while this may be more classically optimistic where good triumphs evil, it's bad because it fuels our ego with "superiority" non-sense. And I would very much argue the last thing we need is more "Superman" stories. Mass Effect already does that plenty.



I'm glad Bioware didn't give into most of our whims and give us a fairytale ending, where even though lots of bad things happen, everything is basically okay and we walk off into the Sunset with Garrus and Tali or something like that. If they were simply making the story as we wanted them to there'd be no reason for them to tell us their story to begin with.

The ME3 ending (even though it does vary quite a bit from what I understand) gives us something to think about. A super happy ending does not, other then furthering people's personal fantasy with the characters. Frankly even though this series does have an emphasis on characters, they are not the story. They are at best parts of the story. Thing is in order for us to understand a story we need characters by which we can interpret it. Most of us don't have the capacity to imagine a story without "persons" or "beings". The point of these games was never to be Best Friends Forever Crusade or to go on a Romantic Journey. Those things were there to simply make the story more interesting or more believable. That way when this story ends it actually means something and wasn't just a bunch of senseless dribble to tickle our fancy. 

As I said earlier if the Reapers were so simple to beat that all Shepard had to do is stab them with a wrench, then whole idea of them actually be something worth fearing would be laughable and the series all one big joke. It would actually be selling the series short if defeating the Reapers did not involve some actual loss. Because really the Reapers then would be no worse then the Turians originally were.  And also if you are really an optimist I don't see why the idea of Shepard being stranded is so horrible. What's to say Shepard doesn't somehow manage to re-unite with everyone someday? The good ending is only depressing if you give into the idea of being hopeless.



Personally I think this was a good way to end the series. It gives us a very definitive ending that for sure makes it the real end and not a "to be continued". And at the same time allows them to do new creative stuff with the Mass Effect universe. To be honest I was truly fearful ME4 or whatever would simply be the Genophage 2.0 or war with the Yahg. Something that quite frankly would just pale in comparisonand be largely pointless. With the Galaxy having to start over it will actually be worth exploring again, because it will almost be new. And on the otherhand if future Mass Effect titles aren't so great they'll be much easier to look past for me anyways.

As for people complaining about the lack of "variation". Look we've had two games like this now. If you really thought they were going to be wildly different you were fooling yourself. The series allows you some choice to personalize it, but like it or not the story more or less progresses the same for everyone. Always has. Would more story variation be nice? Yeah, but it's been totally unrealistic to expect this was going to be some highly divergent trilogy that would make it several games in one. Why you would expect ME3 to be anything more then what ME1 or ME2 already was? I mean really.

Modifié par Bluko, 01 mars 2012 - 03:10 .

[Goose1004]

Dilos01 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Dilos01 wrote...

Bebbe777 wrote...

Dilos01 wrote...

This still doesn't change anything!  I refuse to believe any "rumors" on how it will all end!  You can take those leaked informations with a grain of salt.  Because there is no way in hell that a company like Bioware would deliberately shoot down their own franchise like this.  What would drive someone to do such actions like this!?  It just boggles my mind.

BW is probably tired of the franchise and want to move on to something stupid

Pray tell, what could be stupider??  HUH??

An FPS. Like Call of Duty.

...

That's it, I'm done for the day.  It's bad enough that people are all hung up on these leaks, but the thought of ME becoming either an MMO or an FPS just...

See you guys tomorrow!

the ONLY way I would want to see Mass Effect turned into a MMO if it was done in a Sandbox style (like SW:Galaxies) where you can choose what you want to be/do (I would totally work in Csec or own a shop on the Citadel).  Another Themepark MMO like TOR/WoW would be terrible.

[Capeo]

txgoldrush wrote...

Capeo wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...

Why would they torture their fans like this, knowing that the vast majority wanted the option of a happy but flawed ending, a neutral ending and a dark ending with some variations inbetween?

It just doesn't make sense. They had the perfect opportunity to be still be bittersweet and still allow people to be happy about their connections with the characters. To let Shepard retire peacefully with his friends. The connection was always with the characters - the connection with the universe, they could have smashed all the relays and trapped all the characters on earth and I honestly think most people would have accepted that.

Because they just don't give a damn anymore. That's the extent of it. It was far easier to do this than have *gasp* actually different endings.

or maybe they wanted to be consistant with the themes of the series....

The "theme" of the series?  Philosphically the series is all over the place.  The only common theme is choices and character relationships.

To answer your other question above I have only seen the super bad ending so I don't know if the relays physically explode in every instance.  I think with blue and green they just stop working from what Tank had said.

No, the theme judging from the leak is about life in general and why we live it....see the conversation with the "Guardian".

And the ME3 theme is sacrifice.

Except in that conversation you can disagree with the Guardian.  See?  Choice.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Honestly, I'd rather play an Elderscrolls MMO.

My furry dreams can be realized.

[RazorrX]

DifferentD17 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

AlphaJarmel wrote...

So Joker leaves you for dead and decides to bail with your entire crew and gets caught in an explosion?

Lol he never said sorry for getting you killed in ME2... I think he's been trying to kill you the whole time!

The rest of that ending shows a cloned TIM staring at a picture of Joker on his desk as he raises his scotch glass and mumbles "You wil be remembered."

And then he winks... and everything gets weird...

At this point i am hoping for an ending having shepard wake up on the original normandy and being told that the eden prime beacon had blown up and you have been unconcious this whole time . . . 

[humes spork]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

 "Miserably ever after"...Normandy crew...any number of things.

Two words: Scale itch.

Do you still want to say that's a comparatively happy ending?

[ArkkAngel007]

humes spork wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

 "Miserably ever after"...Normandy crew...any number of things.

Two words: Scale itch.

Do you still want to say that's a comparatively happy ending?

As none of the Cerberus crew was carried over, I object to these unfounded accusations!

[TheSwex]

I can see it now.

The "Happy Ending" DLC. 2400 Microsoft points.

[Crimsanity]

TheSwex wrote...

I can see it now.

The "Happy Ending" DLC. 2400 Microsoft points.

I've paid more for happy endings.

[humes spork]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

As none of the Cerberus crew was carried over, I object to these unfounded accusations!

Who says it was necessarily one of the Cerberus crew?

Dr. Chakwas always struck me as the type to be into some seriously kinky, whacked out stuff. And she is awfully fond of Joker...

And, let's be brutally honest, I know I'm going to ruffle some fans' feathers but Tali was pretty clear when she said she'd never engaged in "that kind" of contact with another humanoid...

Modifié par humes spork, 01 mars 2012 - 03:15 .

[Unit-Alpha]

Crimsanity wrote...

TheSwex wrote...

I can see it now.

The "Happy Ending" DLC. 2400 Microsoft points.

I've paid more for happy endings.

Hahahaha

Thank you for that.

[DifferentD17]

You should have acted they are already here... No one wanted to believe they even existed....

[TheSwex]

With the state of the economy, more and more companies are finding ways to squeeze their consumers out of as much money as possible.

We'll get good endings, but you better believe we're gonna have to pay for them.

[davidshooter]

Crimsanity wrote...

TheSwex wrote...

I can see it now.

The "Happy Ending" DLC. 2400 Microsoft points.

I've paid more for happy endings.

Nicely done.

[Unit-Alpha]

TheSwex wrote...

With the state of the economy, more and more companies are finding ways to squeeze their consumers out of as much money as possible.

We'll get good endings, but you better believe we're gonna have to pay for them.

Thanks to the above quote, I took this entirely the wrong way. Especially the part about squeezing.

I'm a bad person.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 01 mars 2012 - 03:18 .

[Goose1004]

TheSwex wrote...

With the state of the economy, more and more companies are finding ways to squeeze their consumers out of as much money as possible.

We'll get good endings, but you better believe we're gonna have to pay for them.

Wouldn't surprise me.

[TheSwex]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

TheSwex wrote...

With the state of the economy, more and more companies are finding ways to squeeze their consumers out of as much money as possible.

We'll get good endings, but you better believe we're gonna have to pay for them.

Thanks to the above quote, I took this entirely the wrong way. Especially the part about sqeezing.

I'm a bad person.

At least we can find some humor in some of this.

[humes spork]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Well, depending on how much you like Varren, there could be some happiness in that.

For the rhetorical, varren-frakker "you" maybe, but the Normandy has a rather limited crew and people are going to have to crossbreed to sustain a viable population...