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[Chassthemighty]

I just wanted to say thank you to everyone in this thread, everyone who has participated in the Retake ME3 movement, and everyone who has taken place in this whole dialogue. When the game first came out, and I played through to the end, got the highest assets and so on, I was conflicted on how I felt about the ending. On the one hand was all the fury and hate at what I felt was a set of endings that did not live up to the promises of Mass Effect as a Space Opera. On the other, a bone deep weariness, even if I was upset, it was over, what was the use in getting angry?

Then I began to follow threads like these, and all the events that have happened since the release of the game. I've been a follower of Bioware since it's first games, and there's not been a release or DLC i've not bought in support of them. Even Dragon Age 2 was something I accepted as, while not perfect, an adequate game. I wrote off my unease with the game as not worth it.

But all this has reminded me of something i'd really forgotten over the past few years. There comes a point where you have to stand against what you disagree with. Not with rage, or anger, but with a civil expression of protest. Too often, i've found myself accepting compromises because that was easier and I felt protest wasn't worth the effort.

Seeing all that's happened though? I finally feel revitalized. The endings of this game? It's not okay. It's not what we were promised. It's not what I want as a consumer. So it's time to finally stand up and hold the line. No matter what anyone tells you, it's not over until we admit defeat.

To conclude, once again, thank you to everyone who stood up when I didn't have the strength or drive to do so. You've inspired me to stand with you - And the fight has just begun.

[MeldarthX]

its 5 am......whiskey a plenty - but I've lost my emergency induction port.......so I must sign off for the night......

HOLD THE LINE

[Ramshakkle]

SuperTeal wrote...

Militarized wrote...

Singularity theories are, in my opinion, fear mongering of idiots. Although I admit we've had some good franchises come out of it like Terminator, it completely spits on the advancements we've made a species, as cultures, and as individual people. World violence is statistically lowering, but a singularity theory delves into the idea that "the AI views us as a barbaric threat" or that it is saving us from ourselves. We're slowly but surely advancing at our own pace... singularity theory = don't bother doing that. 

It's anti-science bull crap and I hate it.. I really, really hate it. 

I think fear mongering of idiots is a good way of putting it.  Singularity theory isn't a bad idea as far as narrative fiction goes, but it's old.  The way that the people at Bioware approached this theory was not new and it only helped them sink ME3's ending.  I would have been okay with that little brat if he his whole basis for being wasn't a poorly written cop out.

Thing is, it was made worse because they went full on for the singularity theory after you potentially disproved it entirely with the geth.

[TamiBx]

Lord Costantino wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

Bioware's image is at stake, if they made this ending and keep it nonfixed, their image will go down significantly from one of the greatest story telling game makers to a huge screw ups.

Come on Bioware! we are trying to save your image! we are trying to save your franchise that you guys worked so hard for 5 years! ultimately I would be really sad to hear someday when people will say "I won't pull Mass Effect on you". To hear someone saying that to a thing that I was emotionally attached to would be devastating.

Now that we have been realized by CNN (even though it was a small seg) it will HAVE to be changed. Their entire name rides on how well they come out with the new ending or a new ending at all. At this point I bet a new ending will come out...still can't play any Mass Effect games until its changed.

Same here. Well, I can't play Mass Effect because my Xbox is actually home and I'm 16hrs away from home, so...

I wouldn't play it either way. I can't even play other Bioware games; I have DA:O and DA2 on my computer, and I haven't played it in a long time. 

I do think they will release it. There is too much pressure, from us and now from the media. They all took Casey Hudson's statement was "we will make a dlc" and they are all waiting for Bioware to announce a release date. If they don't, the media will be sad and their image...well, it won't get better.

[Teacher50]

Sl4sh3r wrote...

Teacher50 wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Besides the CNN coverage has there been any news? Any statement from Bioware? Hell I'll even take a tweet at this point

Forbes http://www.forbes.co...mander-shepard/

This pisses me off.

I didn't read the article yet but just the name of it... We were led to believe that Shepards story would be concluded in this game.

They blatantly lied to us.

Possibly... But maybe you and everyone else here had a hand in making that change. I think maybe this is true.

[TamiBx]

Nightfire78 wrote...

Ritly13 wrote...

I was fine with the ultimate sacrifice and kinda expected it, but the part that set me off was after the beam was sent, every relay was destroyed! And according to head scientist in the Arrival DLC, every relay destroyed is like a supernova going off. I f***'ed up Earth, every major race's system, stranded countless colonies from supplies, (probably) destroyed the galactic fleet, AND stranded the Normandy and crew on an unknown planet! 0_0
Umm...cue epic credits?

Ah but you did it to an epic triumph musical score. That makes it all better... <_<

And colors! Don't forget the primary colors!

And no, I wasn't fine with the ultimate sacrifice. Sorry. 

[KiganMatsuei]

Read the article where we are told this is not the last we'll hear of Shepard.

Locked in on the part where he says "over the next year" in reference to DLC development that with have an impact on the ending.

Assuming this is even true, and assuming that the endings will be appropriately applied based on our choices, from worst ending to perfect, there's the lingering question:

How long will people wait for this little project he claims he is doing by using our feedback? Anger is spreading like the Mass Relay destruction in that absurd ending. Hardcore fans and people who know nothing about the series - and everyone in between - most are angry. What can we even expect? Currently our unique war assets mean nothing. I know I'm not the only one that hoped the Rachni Queen would fight. Truthfully my primary concern is still an appropriate application of the endings based on the choices, from Shepard and Earth's destruction to Shepard's survival and retirement to be with LI. Can we even expect that based on incredibly vague statements?

How far does loyalty go when we've been lied to, given an incomplete game, and will almost certainly have to pay for DLC to get the ending we and the trilogy deserve? Especially when there is no appropriate timeframe on this so-called ending.

Or is this more PR damage control?

Either way, he's still out of touch with reality.

Signing off for the night - Hold the line!

Modifié par KiganMatsuei, 18 mars 2012 - 05:04 .

[Kenkimaru]

6 am in Germany. Holding the line!

[MrPuschel]

Ramshakkle wrote...

SuperTeal wrote...

Militarized wrote...

Singularity theories are, in my opinion, fear mongering of idiots. Although I admit we've had some good franchises come out of it like Terminator, it completely spits on the advancements we've made a species, as cultures, and as individual people. World violence is statistically lowering, but a singularity theory delves into the idea that "the AI views us as a barbaric threat" or that it is saving us from ourselves. We're slowly but surely advancing at our own pace... singularity theory = don't bother doing that. 

It's anti-science bull crap and I hate it.. I really, really hate it. 

I think fear mongering of idiots is a good way of putting it.  Singularity theory isn't a bad idea as far as narrative fiction goes, but it's old.  The way that the people at Bioware approached this theory was not new and it only helped them sink ME3's ending.  I would have been okay with that little brat if he his whole basis for being wasn't a poorly written cop out.

Thing is, it was made worse because they went full on for the singularity theory after you potentially disproved it entirely with the geth.

"Singularity theory?" Catch this for the first time. It would be nice if someone could explain it to me. Thanks.

[KaiserinKai]

Emo Solus wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...

I just thought of a new Skiddles commercial.........and yea its terrible; but its almost 5 am and I got whiskey......

Mass Effect 3 - taste the rainbow

LMAO! I don't think I wanna taste the skiddles o-O sounds wrong haha xD skittles though... YUM =3 Ah same here, 4:53 am and I got whiskey too! But I'm saving it from seeing the ME3 ending... o-O and I only know one way how... DRRRRINK! 

Lol Mass Errect 3 - taste the lazy rainbow xD rainbows at least have more than 3 colors =D

This reminds me of a motivational poster I posted earlier...

[Emo Solus]

Where do I get the RetakeME3 UK fleet signiture?

[MeldarthX]

Kenkimaru wrote...

6 am in Germany. Holding the line!

Then I'm signing off to you Soldier......*salute*


HOLD THE LINE

[SilverOnemi]

Emo Solus wrote...

Where do I get the RetakeME3 UK fleet signiture?

http://lugoentertain...nding/#!/FanArt

[Ramshakkle]

MrPuschel wrote...

[snip]

"Singularity theory?" Catch this for the first time. It would be nice if someone could explain it to me. Thanks.

Unless I terribly misjudged (possible), I think the singularity relates to the Technological Singularity theory. That is, eventually, we will create technology that turns on us and kills us, ala Skynet and the Terminators.

If I'm way the eff off, I apologize.

[MrPuschel]

Ramshakkle wrote...

MrPuschel wrote...

[snip]

"Singularity theory?" Catch this for the first time. It would be nice if someone could explain it to me. Thanks.

Unless I terribly misjudged (possible), I think the singularity relates to the Technological Singularity theory. That is, eventually, we will create technology that turns on us and kills us, ala Skynet and the Terminators.

If I'm way the eff off, I apologize.

Oh, alright then. Tought it was a "massive" thing like that indoctrination one.

[Goodwood]

[Ramshakkle]

MrPuschel wrote...

Ramshakkle wrote...

MrPuschel wrote...

[snip]

"Singularity theory?" Catch this for the first time. It would be nice if someone could explain it to me. Thanks.

Unless I terribly misjudged (possible), I think the singularity relates to the Technological Singularity theory. That is, eventually, we will create technology that turns on us and kills us, ala Skynet and the Terminators.

If I'm way the eff off, I apologize.

Oh, alright then. Tought it was a "massive" thing like that indoctrination one.

Nah, was the godchild's logic for this:

http://media.photobu...ax/yodawgme.jpg

Anywho, head of Rolla's Engineering company signing off. Keelah se'lai.

Modifié par Ramshakkle, 18 mars 2012 - 05:12 .

[Teacher50]

TamiBx wrote...

Lord Costantino wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

Bioware's image is at stake, if they made this ending and keep it nonfixed, their image will go down significantly from one of the greatest story telling game makers to a huge screw ups.

Come on Bioware! we are trying to save your image! we are trying to save your franchise that you guys worked so hard for 5 years! ultimately I would be really sad to hear someday when people will say "I won't pull Mass Effect on you". To hear someone saying that to a thing that I was emotionally attached to would be devastating.

Now that we have been realized by CNN (even though it was a small seg) it will HAVE to be changed. Their entire name rides on how well they come out with the new ending or a new ending at all. At this point I bet a new ending will come out...still can't play any Mass Effect games until its changed.

Same here. Well, I can't play Mass Effect because my Xbox is actually home and I'm 16hrs away from home, so...

I wouldn't play it either way. I can't even play other Bioware games; I have DA:O and DA2 on my computer, and I haven't played it in a long time. 

I do think they will release it. There is too much pressure, from us and now from the media. They all took Casey Hudson's statement was "we will make a dlc" and they are all waiting for Bioware to announce a release date. If they don't, the media will be sad and their image...well, it won't get better.

Just keep up the pressure Tami... We'll get what we want, what we all deserve.

[Lord Costantino]

TamiBx wrote...

Lord Costantino wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

Bioware's image is at stake, if they made this ending and keep it nonfixed, their image will go down significantly from one of the greatest story telling game makers to a huge screw ups.

Come on Bioware! we are trying to save your image! we are trying to save your franchise that you guys worked so hard for 5 years! ultimately I would be really sad to hear someday when people will say "I won't pull Mass Effect on you". To hear someone saying that to a thing that I was emotionally attached to would be devastating.

Now that we have been realized by CNN (even though it was a small seg) it will HAVE to be changed. Their entire name rides on how well they come out with the new ending or a new ending at all. At this point I bet a new ending will come out...still can't play any Mass Effect games until its changed.

Same here. Well, I can't play Mass Effect because my Xbox is actually home and I'm 16hrs away from home, so...

I wouldn't play it either way. I can't even play other Bioware games; I have DA:O and DA2 on my computer, and I haven't played it in a long time. 

I do think they will release it. There is too much pressure, from us and now from the media. They all took Casey Hudson's statement was "we will make a dlc" and they are all waiting for Bioware to announce a release date. If they don't, the media will be sad and their image...well, it won't get better.

I am currently playing Dragon Age Origins to feel a since of control and choice...you know, what Bioware use to be to help cheer me up. I bought all the dlc a long time ago and not letting my favorite game go to waste...they better release that new ending or no more moneys from me 

Modifié par Lord Costantino, 18 mars 2012 - 05:11 .

[DifferentD17]

I remember when we were excited to get 1000 pages. That wasn't even that long ago.

[MeldarthX]

KaiserinKai wrote...

Emo Solus wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...

I just thought of a new Skiddles commercial.........and yea its terrible; but its almost 5 am and I got whiskey......

Mass Effect 3 - taste the rainbow

LMAO! I don't think I wanna taste the skiddles o-O sounds wrong haha xD skittles though... YUM =3 Ah same here, 4:53 am and I got whiskey too! But I'm saving it from seeing the ME3 ending... o-O and I only know one way how... DRRRRINK! 

Lol Mass Errect 3 - taste the lazy rainbow xD rainbows at least have more than 3 colors =D

This reminds me of a motivational poster I posted earlier...

LOL!!!!!!  wow its almost sad in a drunk state I'm in - there are sober people thinking and creating it.   BW given me some most amazing games - them and black isle - Balder's gate, 1 and 2 - to possibly the greatest RPG ever....sorry but the freedom - the amount of dialog in that game - Planescape.  Neverwinter nights; the expantions; all the freedom to create - KOTOR, ME, ME 2......TOR - I've loved TOR - but on the grounds of what ME3 done.......I can't even log in.

I don't want BW to become butt of jokes - or scorned like some are Ubisoft - Activtion for very good reasons.  Besides some of the indie studios - We had two major studios that held the line - that seemed to care about their customers........BW - Blizzard........both now though seem to be slowly corrupting; indoctrinated........even in this state.  It matters not.......

Because I WILL HOLD THE LINE.........even with a heavy heart - I want back what BW was and still could be.........that studio I could always count on to put out an amazing title.........

USS Solihul Signing out........HOLD THE LINE

[Nightfire78]

Chassthemighty wrote...

I just wanted to say thank you to everyone in this thread, everyone who has participated in the Retake ME3 movement, and everyone who has taken place in this whole dialogue. When the game first came out, and I played through to the end, got the highest assets and so on, I was conflicted on how I felt about the ending. On the one hand was all the fury and hate at what I felt was a set of endings that did not live up to the promises of Mass Effect as a Space Opera. On the other, a bone deep weariness, even if I was upset, it was over, what was the use in getting angry?

Then I began to follow threads like these, and all the events that have happened since the release of the game. I've been a follower of Bioware since it's first games, and there's not been a release or DLC i've not bought in support of them. Even Dragon Age 2 was something I accepted as, while not perfect, an adequate game. I wrote off my unease with the game as not worth it.

But all this has reminded me of something i'd really forgotten over the past few years. There comes a point where you have to stand against what you disagree with. Not with rage, or anger, but with a civil expression of protest. Too often, i've found myself accepting compromises because that was easier and I felt protest wasn't worth the effort.

Seeing all that's happened though? I finally feel revitalized. The endings of this game? It's not okay. It's not what we were promised. It's not what I want as a consumer. So it's time to finally stand up and hold the line. No matter what anyone tells you, it's not over until we admit defeat.

To conclude, once again, thank you to everyone who stood up when I didn't have the strength or drive to do so. You've inspired me to stand with you - And the fight has just begun.

Welcome aboard!
Always good to see the ranks of people holding the line increase!

[TMPAL]

Something ppl may be interested in I am sure it has been posted.

Warning there is some strong language so if you do not want to hear swearing then to not watch link

[Goodwood]

DifferentD17 wrote...

I remember when we were excited to get 1000 pages. That wasn't even that long ago.

No, it wasn't. And now we're primed to leave the Tali thread in the dust.

Keelah Se'lai and hold the line!

[Dreogan]

I last popped in at page 700 or so. Congratulations for keeping this thread running ever since a day or two before launch. I have absolutely no idea what's going on by this point, but it seems like the disappointment with ME3's ending hasn't subsided.

Here's to hoping we won't need another 1700 pages before we get what we paid for.