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[TheSwex]

Someone posted a theory earlier in the thread that Bioware found themselves backed into a corner.

I think someone in the company went "Oh @$%#, we've created so many different variables between the first two games. It's gonna be a lot of work to try to pull this off. Well, should we go with plan B then? Cause there's no way this is in all reality gonna work right".

Plain and simple sadly.

[MrAtomica]

Dragonfable of Dain wrote...

TheSwex wrote...

Don't get me wrong. I'm still as excited as hell to open my N7 Collector's Edition. And I'm still excited to play. Even if the endings are gonna be lousy, I'll do my best to enjoy the game as a whole.

Then after that, Bethesda is my new #1 developer.

(claps)

Know why?

Because Bethesda lets modders write their own ending (to an extent). Nothing is wiser (and more likely to please everyone) than giving the reader a pen and a piece of paper and letting them go to town. Bethesda does fail in other ways though, which Bioware excels in. So if there is some form of modification to the endings further down the road, it could be a wash.

[Pr3ying M4nt15 360]

The irony is in a game that is all about promoting choice and shaping the flavour. It seems in the end you are helpless.

[mariatea]

Bluko wrote...

-snip-

The point is that it's the last part of the trillogy. With all previous Bioware franchise we at least had choice between A and B. I, at least, found basis to expect alittle bit more from what we recieved. For what it seems, the ME, no matter what you do ends nearly the same - eezo based technology destroyed, galactic society destroyed,  space travel unavailable and Normandy crew either dead or stuck on some god-forsaken planet. Moreover - we were told that our decisions will matter in the end ( yes call me for naive, immature girl but I believed them in this matter till the end)
Did we really recieve that?

Heck I would be actually content with two decisions wwhich you have mentioned. I don't mind, not having true happy ending. I don't mind tragic, as long as it is not overboard. And here? I think it really crossed the line

Moreover as I already mentioned somewhere else in this thread - for me wiping the setting from all current lore and starting from the scratch is a really chep move. Better to start with new franchise

[Unit-Alpha]

Dragonfable of Dain wrote...

TheSwex wrote...

Don't get me wrong. I'm still as excited as hell to open my N7 Collector's Edition. And I'm still excited to play. Even if the endings are gonna be lousy, I'll do my best to enjoy the game as a whole.

Then after that, Bethesda is my new #1 developer.

(claps)

Enter the Bethesda fold! We will welcome you with open arms

[TheSwex]

I don't care what BioWare fanboys say. Bethesda is KING of true exploration in games. They may not write incredible stories all the time, but they're damn well the best at what they do.

[kingsims]

You mean an ending DLC?

[Risselda]

We have 2 groups of people....

The "we're at war...qq"
and the "Sunsetters"

Why cant there be 2 endings again? Make everyone happy? Instead of 7 stupidly similar (supposedly) endings

[DavidGraham]

@Bebe77 , I hope so man , I hope so ..

[someone else]

I only read the OP, not the intervening 170 pages of hysteria. - for those who think a "bittersweet" ending is a cop-out - most great sagas end tragically - heroes most often end up dying heroic deaths, and it is indeed only the meek who are left to inherit the ruins. I too love happy endings but in fairness to the scope of the drama, think Gotterdamerung a more fitting climax.

Modifié par someone else, 01 mars 2012 - 03:31 .

[DifferentD17]

ratzerman wrote...

Icinix wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

So in the merge ending... do the old man and kid have glowing eyes? Or is that just done for dramatic effect in the crash cutscene?

In the merge Vega squats - and when he stands - a baby toaster is on the ground.

Its beautiful and really touching.

D'awwwwww.... Jeff Goldblum was right. Life finds a way.

Asari - but they are all female!

[Nathan Redgrave]

DifferentD17 wrote...

I'm tired of "it's war"... BS

"B.S." is generally referred to as such because it's untrue, not because one doesn't like it being true.

1) It's a video game if I wanted to be in a real war I'd join the army.

That's why it's in space, with spaceships and aliens. Surrealism quota hath been filled and exceeded.

2) The first 2 endings didn't make you end it on a depressingly sad note.

What's your point, exactly? No, really, I'm not seeing how this is relevant to anything.

3) Lol Is that what you think of other RPGs only Final Fantasy?
4) You're saying: I don't care I get what I want. You are all children for not agreeing.

I don't approve of people being hostile toward those whose opinion differs from their own, myself. But that's not going to stop me from criticizing where appropriate. Your initial point, "if I wanted to be in a real war I'd join the army," is a load of barmy. Fiction dips into real-life concepts and tragedies all the bloody time, and videogames do it to. You're essentially saying you'd rather have a semi-contrived sugar-and-rainbows ending, or some mild close cousin of such, than an ending that reflects the sort of scope and tragedy this kind of war would have if it actually happened. That's fine, whatever floats your boat and all, but that doesn't make the ending bad, it just means you won't like it, which in turn means... nothing.

[ratzerman]

Bebe77 wrote...

i have a feeling that the day of release chris is gonna pop up with some thread titled "Problem?"
with the troll face and a video of some amazingly awesome non-depressing ending and we r all just gonna change our names and forget this whole mess (fingers crossed)

Priestly has never shied away of sharing his distaste for the romantic aspects of the game. I'm pretty sure he's looking forward to never having to deal with us again.

[Espurr]

Bebe77 wrote...

i have a feeling that the day of release chris is gonna pop up with some thread titled "Problem?"
with the troll face and a video of some amazingly awesome non-depressing ending and we r all just gonna change our names and forget this whole mess (fingers crossed)

Lol I wish.

Really though, that would make me jump for joy. I'm not even angry about all this, just sad and disappointed and feeling kinda punched in the gut.

If this really is all we get though, I may avoid these forums for a while after release. If this is the backlash that's happening now, I can't IMAGINE what it's going to be like post release.

[TheSwex]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Dragonfable of Dain wrote...

TheSwex wrote...

Don't get me wrong. I'm still as excited as hell to open my N7 Collector's Edition. And I'm still excited to play. Even if the endings are gonna be lousy, I'll do my best to enjoy the game as a whole.

Then after that, Bethesda is my new #1 developer.

(claps)

Enter the Bethesda fold! We will welcome you with open arms

Haha. I've been in the fold since Morrowind came out.  Probably not as long as most though.  Bethesda and BioWare have always been wrestling for my top spot.

IF all these rumors are in fact set in stone, then Bethesda is king with no chance of being dethroned.

[Kileyan]

Wulfric121 wrote...

I really don't see what you kids are getting so up in arms over. This is a war story. People are going to die. Civilizations are going to be eradicated. Hell, the fate of an entire galaxy is at risk of being vaporized by the Reapers, and you're concerned about trivial things like if we get to live happily ever after? Come on!

This is a war story. I'm sure some of the older people know how real world wars usually end. Do you honestly think with stakes this high that the final outcome will be the species all over the galaxy grabbing hands and praising their good luck that they were able to defeat and Reapers and rebuild without some massive losses? Did you see how World War II ended? Yeah, not one, but two Atom Bombs. A horribly bittersweet ending. If you really want to see a happy ending, go play Final Fantasy. This is war and war is completely ugly even at the best of times.

The Reapers are a crazy powerful race of sentient machines who clearly want to kill anything and everything that breathes, turn us into husks and leave the galaxy in ruins. Did you read about what happened to the Protheans? They were eradicated, transformed into slaves and made to serve against their will. That's an incredibly bittersweet ending to an entire race of people.

Bioware know what they're doing with the story telling. They know how to weave an intricate end to a fantastic journey and Mass Effect 3 won't disappoint. Honestly though, I'm expecting a bittersweet ending where everything is nearly destroyed and humanity, along with every other race has to fight to recover. The Reapers won't be going down quietly, cause if they did; I would be screaming at Bioware for making such a menace seem utterly weak and trivial.

Like I said previously, I'm expecting a terrible end to the war. Hell, I'm actually hoping all the efforts show the pain and malice of defeating such a force. Sure, a story arch where you save the galaxy from the Reapers and we all live happily ever after would be nice, but it's not realistic and Mass Effect has a far more realistic Sci-Fi story than most games in the genre these days.

On a side note to people who are overly butt hurt and not buying the game anymore because you're not getting your fairytale ending... grow up! Read up on some real world wars and then you'll understand why Bioware may have just written the ending off this way. Better yet, look up how World War II ended and then multiply that by a scale of about a billion times the destruction and heart ache.

Try reading next time. Many billions are dead. Some races maybe wiped out. Reaper tech destroyed, relays gone, people stranded who did survive.

Lots of bad sh it is happening. Very very few are saying.......... actually no one is saying we should win by simply sneezing on the Reaper Mothership and giving them a cold. You know the unicorn and rainbows ending.

It is already a very bleak ending, they are just upset that after all that, Bioware decided to tack on one last thing...........LOL no matter what you do, no matter what choices you make, you will never see your friends again. THey don't all die, you just can't ever see them again. This is gritty!

You know, personal opinions. You maybe think billions dead and many civilizations wiped out forever is not enough, the death of 40 people on a single ship is required as well to be dark gritty and realistic.

Others want to see their ship mates again. Mostly many want a bone thrown to them..........to feel that they have some choices that matter.

Mostly I think Bioware crossed the line. Instead of bad things happening to bring home how important my choices are, it is looking like no matter what I do, certain things will happen. That doesn't make me feel like I am making important decisions, it makes me feel like nothing i do really matters.

[DifferentD17]

Risselda wrote...

We have 2 groups of people....

The "we're at war...qq"
and the "Sunsetters"

Why cant there be 2 endings again? Make everyone happy? Instead of 7 stupidly similar (supposedly) endings

The "we're at war" don't want to endings they already get what they want.

[blind black]

I dont mind that shep dies but i am kinda mad about what happens to the crew. plus i hate how renegades get pigeon holed into dying either way (from what ive read).

[crimzontearz]

Risselda wrote...We have 2 groups of people....The "we're at war...qq"and the "Sunsetters"Why cant there be 2 endings again? Make everyone happy? Instead of 7 stupidly similar (supposedly) endings

please read my previous comment about Vampire: the Masquerade - Redemption

[The Asari]

Bioware has really taken that ''if you havent played the previous two mass effect games ME 3 is a great place to jump in'' part to heart. And of course the new players who have no affiliation with the characthers or the story will simply say ''oh cool'' to the endings. But for the fans that have been with this franchise since the beginning and that actually cares about the characthers, the universe and the series, the endings are simply a giant middle finger to us long time fans.

[kingsims]

Chris: "We forgot to finish the 4th ending on the disc, stay tuned we have something planned :devil:"

[Risselda]

crimzontearz wrote...

Risselda wrote...We have 2 groups of people....The "we're at war...qq"and the "Sunsetters"Why cant there be 2 endings again? Make everyone happy? Instead of 7 stupidly similar (supposedly) endings

please read my previous comment about Vampire: the Masquerade - Redemption

:/ never beat it....got up to the split personality chick, but its been years

[Elegana]

Wulfric121 wrote...

I really don't see what you kids are getting so up in arms over. This is a war story. People are going to die. Civilizations are going to be eradicated. Hell, the fate of an entire galaxy is at risk of being vaporized by the Reapers, and you're concerned about trivial things like if we get to live happily ever after? Come on!

This is a war story. I'm sure some of the older people know how real world wars usually end. Do you honestly think with stakes this high that the final outcome will be the species all over the galaxy grabbing hands and praising their good luck that they were able to defeat and Reapers and rebuild without some massive losses? Did you see how World War II ended? Yeah, not one, but two Atom Bombs. A horribly bittersweet ending. If you really want to see a happy ending, go play Final Fantasy. This is war and war is completely ugly even at the best of times.

The Reapers are a crazy powerful race of sentient machines who clearly want to kill anything and everything that breathes, turn us into husks and leave the galaxy in ruins. Did you read about what happened to the Protheans? They were eradicated, transformed into slaves and made to serve against their will. That's an incredibly bittersweet ending to an entire race of people.

Bioware know what they're doing with the story telling. They know how to weave an intricate end to a fantastic journey and Mass Effect 3 won't disappoint. Honestly though, I'm expecting a bittersweet ending where everything is nearly destroyed and humanity, along with every other race has to fight to recover. The Reapers won't be going down quietly, cause if they did; I would be screaming at Bioware for making such a menace seem utterly weak and trivial.

Like I said previously, I'm expecting a terrible end to the war. Hell, I'm actually hoping all the efforts show the pain and malice of defeating such a force. Sure, a story arch where you save the galaxy from the Reapers and we all live happily ever after would be nice, but it's not realistic and Mass Effect has a far more realistic Sci-Fi story than most games in the genre these days.

On a side note to people who are overly butt hurt and not buying the game anymore because you're not getting your fairytale ending... grow up! Read up on some real world wars and then you'll understand why Bioware may have just written the ending off this way. Better yet, look up how World War II ended and then multiply that by a scale of about a billion times the destruction and heart ache.

For the last time, we're not looking for a goddamn Fairy-Tale ending where everyone is somehow alive and ****. We want the epic war battle. We want to the death and the destruction. But for the love of all that is holy, why the hell can't Shepard just get marooned with the Normandy Crew? That's it. It's still bittersweet. Yeah, billions of people are dead, planets are wastelands, and the relays are gone. But hey, we won the battle. But now Shepard and his crew are stuck on some planet/moon. That's not fairy-tale. That sets up a colony of inbreds.

[Johnnycide]

Kileyan wrote...

Mostly I think Bioware crossed the line. Instead of bad things happening to bring home how important my choices are, it is looking like no matter what I do, certain things will happen. That doesn't make me feel like I am making important decisions, it makes me feel like nothing i do really matters.

I think it's supposed to be their attempt at satire working for EA, or the general direction their lives have taken.

[Nyaore]

MrAtomica wrote...

Dragonfable of Dain wrote...

TheSwex wrote...

Don't get me wrong. I'm still as excited as hell to open my N7 Collector's Edition. And I'm still excited to play. Even if the endings are gonna be lousy, I'll do my best to enjoy the game as a whole.

Then after that, Bethesda is my new #1 developer.

(claps)

Know why?

Because Bethesda lets modders write their own ending (to an extent). Nothing is wiser (and more likely to please everyone) than giving the reader a pen and a piece of paper and letting them go to town. Bethesda does fail in other ways though, which Bioware excels in. So if there is some form of modification to the endings further down the road, it could be a wash.

Bethesda and Bioware need to have a love child already. It seems they compliment each other's weaknesses rather well.