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[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Yeah, I'm leaning towards Bethesda more and more. Their games may be buggy as hell but Yorda the Nord with misgivings about Ulfric's ideals, has had a far more interesting adventure. She may not have a voice, but I gave her personality.

And in New Vegas Boone is my partner in crime. We travel across the desert, trying to out-snipe one another by day. By night we curl up by the campfire and eat stewed molerat.

[Unit-Alpha]

Elegana wrote...

Wulfric121 wrote...

I really don't see what you kids are getting so up in arms over. This is a war story. People are going to die. Civilizations are going to be eradicated. Hell, the fate of an entire galaxy is at risk of being vaporized by the Reapers, and you're concerned about trivial things like if we get to live happily ever after? Come on!

This is a war story. I'm sure some of the older people know how real world wars usually end. Do you honestly think with stakes this high that the final outcome will be the species all over the galaxy grabbing hands and praising their good luck that they were able to defeat and Reapers and rebuild without some massive losses? Did you see how World War II ended? Yeah, not one, but two Atom Bombs. A horribly bittersweet ending. If you really want to see a happy ending, go play Final Fantasy. This is war and war is completely ugly even at the best of times.

The Reapers are a crazy powerful race of sentient machines who clearly want to kill anything and everything that breathes, turn us into husks and leave the galaxy in ruins. Did you read about what happened to the Protheans? They were eradicated, transformed into slaves and made to serve against their will. That's an incredibly bittersweet ending to an entire race of people.

Bioware know what they're doing with the story telling. They know how to weave an intricate end to a fantastic journey and Mass Effect 3 won't disappoint. Honestly though, I'm expecting a bittersweet ending where everything is nearly destroyed and humanity, along with every other race has to fight to recover. The Reapers won't be going down quietly, cause if they did; I would be screaming at Bioware for making such a menace seem utterly weak and trivial.

Like I said previously, I'm expecting a terrible end to the war. Hell, I'm actually hoping all the efforts show the pain and malice of defeating such a force. Sure, a story arch where you save the galaxy from the Reapers and we all live happily ever after would be nice, but it's not realistic and Mass Effect has a far more realistic Sci-Fi story than most games in the genre these days.

On a side note to people who are overly butt hurt and not buying the game anymore because you're not getting your fairytale ending... grow up! Read up on some real world wars and then you'll understand why Bioware may have just written the ending off this way. Better yet, look up how World War II ended and then multiply that by a scale of about a billion times the destruction and heart ache.

For the last time, we're not looking for a goddamn Fairy-Tale ending where everyone is somehow alive and ****. We want the epic war battle. We want to the death and the destruction. But for the love of all that is holy, why the hell can't Shepard just get marooned with the Normandy Crew? That's it. It's still bittersweet. Yeah, billions of people are dead, planets are wastelands, and the relays are gone. But hey, we won the battle. But now Shepard and his crew are stuck on some planet/moon. That's not fairy-tale. That sets up a colony of inbreds.

Yeah, I'm fine with the marooning thing, as long as Shepard was with them. This is just a slap in the face the way it is.

[Nathan Redgrave]

mariatea wrote...

With all previous Bioware franchise we at least had choice between A and B. I, at least, found basis to expect alittle bit more from what we recieved

We had a choice at the end and two differing endings based on what choice we made. For the most part, those endings were the same basic ending with alternate dialogue. ME1 and ME2 also had brighter and darker backgrounds for the endings aligned with Paragon and Renegade actions respectively. In ME1, we had Paragon and Renegade variations of the two main endings which mainly just changed up the characters' responses to Shepard's overall actions.

I'm just pointing this out to make sure we're all on the same page with regards to BioWare's track record, here... NOTHING about the Mass Effect series has given us reason to expect wildly diverse endings. This time, if the leak is complete, we have a choice between A, B, and C, which is one more option than we had before, and we have three somewhat divergent endings that follow the same base structure (as the endings in ME1 and 2 did) with a couple variations on each of the three main endings based on outside factors.

This is actually an upgrade in terms of quantity, though that doesn't speak to the quality of the thing.

[Tietj]

someone else wrote...

I only read the OP, not the intervening 170 pages of hysteria. - for those who think a "bittersweet" ending is a cop-out - most great sagas end tragically - heroes most often end up dying heroic deaths, and it is indeed only the meek who are left to inherit the ruins. I too love happy endings but in fairness to the scope of the drama, think Gotterdamerung a more fitting climax.

...to a game with sexy blue bisexual babes and sentient jellyfish?  I don't recall the Rhinemaidens trying to boff everyone they came in contact with.  Except Flosshilde, the lousy ****.

[Unit-Alpha]

Nyaore wrote...

MrAtomica wrote...

Dragonfable of Dain wrote...

TheSwex wrote...

Don't get me wrong. I'm still as excited as hell to open my N7 Collector's Edition. And I'm still excited to play. Even if the endings are gonna be lousy, I'll do my best to enjoy the game as a whole.

Then after that, Bethesda is my new #1 developer.

(claps)

Know why?

Because Bethesda lets modders write their own ending (to an extent). Nothing is wiser (and more likely to please everyone) than giving the reader a pen and a piece of paper and letting them go to town. Bethesda does fail in other ways though, which Bioware excels in. So if there is some form of modification to the endings further down the road, it could be a wash.

Bethesda and Bioware need to have a love child already. It seems they compliment each other's weaknesses rather well.

I used to say that. Not anymore. The two aspects Bethesda could have learned from Bioware (story and characters) just got screwed. Even Skyrim's endings had more variety and choice.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Nyaore wrote...

MrAtomica wrote...

Dragonfable of Dain wrote...

TheSwex wrote...

Don't get me wrong. I'm still as excited as hell to open my N7 Collector's Edition. And I'm still excited to play. Even if the endings are gonna be lousy, I'll do my best to enjoy the game as a whole.

Then after that, Bethesda is my new #1 developer.

(claps)

Know why?

Because Bethesda lets modders write their own ending (to an extent). Nothing is wiser (and more likely to please everyone) than giving the reader a pen and a piece of paper and letting them go to town. Bethesda does fail in other ways though, which Bioware excels in. So if there is some form of modification to the endings further down the road, it could be a wash.

Bethesda and Bioware need to have a love child already. It seems they compliment each other's weaknesses rather well.

Except they both have weaknesses in writing.

Although Bethesda could teach them how to write a convincing homosexual character.

Hint: Start with someone who isn't a desperate sex fiend.

[Nyaore]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

MrAtomica wrote...

Dragonfable of Dain wrote...

TheSwex wrote...

Don't get me wrong. I'm still as excited as hell to open my N7 Collector's Edition. And I'm still excited to play. Even if the endings are gonna be lousy, I'll do my best to enjoy the game as a whole.

Then after that, Bethesda is my new #1 developer.

(claps)

Know why?

Because Bethesda lets modders write their own ending (to an extent). Nothing is wiser (and more likely to please everyone) than giving the reader a pen and a piece of paper and letting them go to town. Bethesda does fail in other ways though, which Bioware excels in. So if there is some form of modification to the endings further down the road, it could be a wash.

Bethesda and Bioware need to have a love child already. It seems they compliment each other's weaknesses rather well.

I used to say that. Not anymore. The two aspects Bethesda could have learned from Bioware (story and characters) just got screwed. Even Skyrim's endings had more variety and choice.

True. Quick, someone get a time machine and bring back Pre-ME3 Bioware and set them up on a date with Beth. I want my epic sandbox adventure with decent storytelling, damn it!

[crimzontearz]

Risselda wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...Risselda wrote...We have 2 groups of people....The "we're at war...qq"and the "Sunsetters"Why cant there be 2 endings again? Make everyone happy? Instead of 7 stupidly similar (supposedly) endingsplease read my previous comment about Vampire: the Masquerade - Redemption

:/ never beat it....got up to the split personality chick, but its been years

Ending 1 - Chisrof is promised safety by Vucodlak....he submits and Vucodlak makes him kill his lover and bring forth the apocalypse

Ending 2 - Christof kills V. and Embraces Aniezka turning her in a vampire to live forever with him

Ending 3 - Christof diablerizes Vucodlak gaining all his powers....kills aniezka because he is now a god and sets off to conquer the world





everyone was happy

[Gojiroth]

One thing, did any of the leaks speak of imports or readiness level? Plus, I'm sad that they've let the same thing happen between this and DA2. I'd be okay if I didn't have to wait to find out what may be inevitable.

[Tietj]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Although Bethesda could teach them how to write a convincing homosexual character.

Hint: Start with someone who isn't a desperate sex fiend.

This isn't fair.  Bioware has done the gay community (which I am a part of) a lot of good and is usually mentioned positively whenever anyone writes an article about gay inclusiveness in video games, and rightfully so.

[Ye Olde Gamer]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Eradyn wrote...
...You do realize that FTL drives are a very slow method (that requires a great deal of fuel that would not be easily found post-Reapers) of traversing the galaxy, yes? I mean...you do understand the scale of the galaxy.  Right?

Hydrogen fuel depots are commonplace in the galaxy, from planets that are quite common. One of the lore aspects of the ME universe is that it's actually to do the fuel harvesting and processing in each system, rather than ship it to other ones. FTL fuel is pretty widespread in the ME universe.

Nor is 'slow' FTL in the ME universe a snail's pace across the galactic map. Flying across a sector is a matter of days, not years. Flying across the galaxy might be a course of years... but that's (1) surpassable, and (2) temporary until people reverse engineer the Reaper's thrusters, or build new Mass Relays.

Fuel depots are "common" based on the Mass Relay circuits: each node had a depot or more in it.  If you have to fly from one to the other the long way, you're going to have to cross a lot of space between refuelings.

There's no longer any FTL communication, so coordinating within a cluster (much less the galaxy at large) will be a logistical nightmare for years.  Worse, Citdel space has been an integrated whole for centuries: it's quite possible entire clusters weren't capable of supporting themselves on their own BEFORE the Reaper's started nuking things.  It's certainly the end of galactic civilization for a century or more.

And that's if non-relay FTL still works in the first place.  I agree it's one step up from galactic genocide, but I certainly had my Shepard's sights set higher than galactic apocalypse instead.

I sincerely hope there are some as-yet-unrevealed endings that spare the relays.

[DifferentD17]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

I'm tired of "it's war"... BS

"B.S." is generally referred to as such because it's untrue, not because one doesn't like it being true.

1) It's a video game if I wanted to be in a real war I'd join the army.

That's why it's in space, with spaceships and aliens. Surrealism quota hath been filled and exceeded.

2) The first 2 endings didn't make you end it on a depressingly sad note.

What's your point, exactly? No, really, I'm not seeing how this is relevant to anything.

3) Lol Is that what you think of other RPGs only Final Fantasy?
4) You're saying: I don't care I get what I want. You are all children for not agreeing.

I don't approve of people being hostile toward those whose opinion differs from their own, myself. But that's not going to stop me from criticizing where appropriate. Your initial point, "if I wanted to be in a real war I'd join the army," is a load of barmy. Fiction dips into real-life concepts and tragedies all the bloody time, and videogames do it to. You're essentially saying you'd rather have a semi-contrived sugar-and-rainbows ending, or some mild close cousin of such, than an ending that reflects the sort of scope and tragedy this kind of war would have if it actually happened. That's fine, whatever floats your boat and all, but that doesn't make the ending bad, it just means you won't like it, which in turn means... nothing.

lol "I don't like people being hostile, but I'll be hostile whenever I want." 
My opinion means nothing, your opinion means nothing why are we discussioning this on the forums?

[albertalad]

Nathan Redgrave
Sugar and spice ending? YOU have to be seriously off kilter - the Earth 2/3 ruined and was within the first fifteen minutes we played in ME3. The Galaxy in utter ruins and Sheppard get killed - AGAIN! That's really, really bad writing in any grade school drop out level.

[Johnnycide]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

I'm just pointing this out to make sure we're all on the same page with regards to BioWare's track record, here... NOTHING about the Mass Effect series has given us reason to expect wildly diverse endings. This time, if the leak is complete, we have a choice between A, B, and C, which is one more option than we had before, and we have three somewhat divergent endings that follow the same base structure (as the endings in ME1 and 2 did) with a couple variations on each of the three main endings based on outside factors.

This is actually an upgrade in terms of quantity, though that doesn't speak to the quality of the thing.

So when they made the statement there were 1000's of different variables that would play into an individualized ending, that was nothing?

Well I guess if you're Bioware 1000's of different variables boil down to only 7 endings.

[mariatea]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

mariatea wrote...

With all previous Bioware franchise we at least had choice between A and B. I, at least, found basis to expect alittle bit more from what we recieved

We had a choice at the end and two differing endings based on what choice we made. For the most part, those endings were the same basic ending with alternate dialogue. ME1 and ME2 also had brighter and darker backgrounds for the endings aligned with Paragon and Renegade actions respectively. In ME1, we had Paragon and Renegade variations of the two main endings which mainly just changed up the characters' responses to Shepard's overall actions.

I'm just pointing this out to make sure we're all on the same page with regards to BioWare's track record, here... NOTHING about the Mass Effect series has given us reason to expect wildly diverse endings. This time, if the leak is complete, we have a choice between A, B, and C, which is one more option than we had before, and we have three somewhat divergent endings that follow the same base structure (as the endings in ME1 and 2 did) with a couple variations on each of the three main endings based on outside factors.

This is actually an upgrade in terms of quantity, though that doesn't speak to the quality of the thing.

I think that I worded myself wrongly here. I did not mean it in terms of previous ME games, but in terms of Bioware's franchise overall. 

[Lanius993]

kingsims wrote...

Chris: "We forgot to finish the 4th ending on the disc, stay tuned we have something planned :devil:"

Please tell me thats real and not a joke 

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Tietj wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Although Bethesda could teach them how to write a convincing homosexual character.

Hint: Start with someone who isn't a desperate sex fiend.

This isn't fair.  Bioware has done the gay community (which I am a part of) a lot of good and is usually mentioned positively whenever anyone writes an article about gay inclusiveness in video games, and rightfully so.

It's fine to include homosexual characters but Anders was an affront to everything that was decent. Arcade Gannon is a much better example.

[webhead921]

Alright, so can someone clarify something for me? It seems everyone is saying that .....(spoilers)..


...the crew is isolated on a planet alone...

However, I have heard elsewhere that...(spoilers)...

...the normandy lands on a populated colony, with a "sometime later" epilogue, implying that the remaining crew settled with the already existed colony. This seems like a solid ending. Yea, they don't have space travel, but if they can live happily ever after on an already populated colony, I don't see why everyone is complaining. Can anyone confirm this?

[Unit-Alpha]

Lanius993 wrote...

kingsims wrote...

Chris: "We forgot to finish the 4th ending on the disc, stay tuned we have something planned :devil:"

Please tell me thats real and not a joke 

It's so sad when we are that desperate for DLC.

[Johnnycide]

Lanius993 wrote...

kingsims wrote...

Chris: "We forgot to finish the 4th ending on the disc, stay tuned we have something planned :devil:"

Please tell me thats real and not a joke 

"Quick guys, the peasants are revolting, write up something similar to Fallout 3's Broken Steel DLC."

[Nathan Redgrave]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Although Bethesda could teach them how to write a convincing homosexual character.

Hint: Start with someone who isn't a desperate sex fiend.

I don't think BioWare actually tried full-on homosexuals until ME3, they just had bisexual options. ME3 has Steve and the new yeoman, who I believe are exclusively homosexual romances. (As a side note, Kelly is still in the game and you can still continue your ME2 romance with her, she's just not on the Normandy crew.)

The novel Mass Effect: Ascension has a character named Hendel Mitra, who was homosexual, but the only indication of such is a conversation in which Kahlee deflects her lover's jealousy about the time she spends with Hendel by pointing out he swings the other way. That's a good way to do it, I think. Actually writing a romance would be trickier, though, if you're trying to avoid stereotyping and all that, but that's the case with heterosexual romances as well. We just see those more often, so the tricks and pitfalls are fairly well-documented. (Sometimes, we even take that time-tested advice when we write them. You know, on special occasions.)

[Kileyan]

Risselda wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Risselda wrote...We have 2 groups of people....The "we're at war...qq"and the "Sunsetters"Why cant there be 2 endings again? Make everyone happy? Instead of 7 stupidly similar (supposedly) endings

please read my previous comment about Vampire: the Masquerade - Redemption

:/ never beat it....got up to the split personality chick, but its been years

That sounds like Vampire The Masquarade: Bloodlines, my top game ever, but a different game.

Tell me about Redemption?

[Cor7ana]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

mariatea wrote...

With all previous Bioware franchise we at least had choice between A and B. I, at least, found basis to expect alittle bit more from what we recieved

We had a choice at the end and two differing endings based on what choice we made. For the most part, those endings were the same basic ending with alternate dialogue. ME1 and ME2 also had brighter and darker backgrounds for the endings aligned with Paragon and Renegade actions respectively. In ME1, we had Paragon and Renegade variations of the two main endings which mainly just changed up the characters' responses to Shepard's overall actions.

I'm just pointing this out to make sure we're all on the same page with regards to BioWare's track record, here... NOTHING about the Mass Effect series has given us reason to expect wildly diverse endings. This time, if the leak is complete, we have a choice between A, B, and C, which is one more option than we had before, and we have three somewhat divergent endings that follow the same base structure (as the endings in ME1 and 2 did) with a couple variations on each of the three main endings based on outside factors.

This is actually an upgrade in terms of quantity, though that doesn't speak to the quality of the thing.

So basically...

[LordJeyl]

It's possible there was some miscommunications somewhere during the development stages.

Big Cheese: "Ok, we want this game to be very important. In order to understand where I'm coming from in how much this involves every race in the galaxy, go watch the film "The Day the Earth Stood Still". It's a classic science fiction film about an alien who wants to send a message to ALL OF HUMANITY. That's how I want ME3 to be treated. This will affect ALL SPECIES OF THE GALAXY. Think you can do that?"

Staff: "No problem!"

*Product has gone gold*

Big Cheese: Ok! Let's see what we've got! *beats the game* ......you watched the remake, didn't you?

Staff: Remake? We thought you wanted us to destroy all the technology in the universe like Neo did with Earth's technology. We all thought it was brilliant because what better way to end a series by making sure you can't possibly make another one under any circumstances?

Big Cheese: This isn't ending a series, this is burying it! You just condemned hundreds of planets around the galaxy to death by cutting them off and millions upon millions of families and friends who are in different parts of the galaxy will never see each other again.

Staff: Hey, it's not like we lied. We DID take back Earth!